Yoh Asakura Vs Ichigo Kurosaki

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Today we have Yoh Asakura from Shaman King making his debut on FactPile going up against Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach.

This incarnation of Ichigo is the one that faught Byakuya on execution hill, Yoh does not have the Spirit of Earth for this match. The battlefield is the soul society, no additional Shinigami are present.

Who would win?

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68 Comments on "Yoh Asakura Vs Ichigo Kurosaki"

  1. Sparks May 26, 2011 at 9:01 am -      #1

    Isn’t Ichigo a pretty fast kinda’ guy, or is he limited in the given incarnation?

  2. man May 26, 2011 at 9:28 am -      #2

    Then Shinigami from Soul Eater showed up and…watches the fight.
    But seriously,
    This will not end well for Yoh. He is not fast, and I don’t think he has any powerful feat either, and I’ve seen the entire series. On that final battle, Yoh needed the spirits of all the shamans present to defeat Hao.
    On a side note, I think Hao would be a better match.

  3. jwesleya May 26, 2011 at 9:29 am -      #3

    Well, right before the battle with Byakuya, Ichigo mastered Shunpo and achieved Bankai. It is also the first time that his inner hollow shows itself. So yeah, he was pretty damn fast.

  4. Tarbel May 26, 2011 at 9:53 am -      #4

    Ichigo speedblitz and wins…

  5. jhud May 26, 2011 at 9:59 am -      #5

    ichigo uses hollow mask 2 quikly end fight but doesnt kill yoh instead takes him 4 a latte

  6. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 10:43 am -      #6

    “Then Shinigami from Soul Eater showed up and…watches the fight.
    But seriously,
    This will not end well for Yoh. He is not fast, and I don’t think he has any powerful feat either, and I’ve seen the entire series. On that final battle, Yoh needed the spirits of all the shamans present to defeat Hao.
    On a side note, I think Hao would be a better match.”
    You’ve never read the manga, where that never happened. Current Hao scored omnipotence, and even before that he was a mind reading island buster.

    “Ichigo speedblitz and wins…”
    Becuase Yoh never faught anyone who is fast, did the whoosh Im invisible thing, or blocked lightning.
    www.mangareader.net/138-8008-10/shaman-king/chapter-256.html
    www.mangareader.net/138-8008-11/shaman-king/chapter-256.html
    www.mangareader.net/138-8008-12/shaman-king/chapter-256.html

    Pluss he’ll just null out Ichigo’s getsuga.
    www.mangareader.net/138-8007-3/shaman-king/chapter-255.html

    Seriously guys, derp.

  7. man May 26, 2011 at 10:50 am -      #7

    Well, there goes my knowledge of Shaman King…
    I never knew there was a manga!
    www.owned.lv/images/x3x3662cd24f1710b965f90a2cfe9ba8f00.jpg

  8. jhud May 26, 2011 at 10:58 am -      #8

    ichigo hollow mask gooooooo plus he very strong + on a side note i thout shaman king was a terrable tv show

  9. Sparks May 26, 2011 at 11:21 am -      #9

    Why is Michael Jackson — RIP in the similar categories section for this? How old are these two guys??

  10. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 11:37 am -      #10

    “Why is Michael Jackson — RIP in the similar categories section for this? How old are these two guys??”
    shug’d
    Shaman King is the bleach before bleach, it mas made in the 90s and ended early 2000s.

  11. man May 26, 2011 at 11:43 am -      #11

    “Current Hao scored omnipotence, and even before that he was a mind reading island buster.”
    Omnipotence huh, I wonder how a fight against Galactus or LT would sound?

    As for the match, I have not read the manga, so..can anyone post feats for Yoh in this match?

  12. Asger May 26, 2011 at 12:08 pm -      #12

    Holy shit, Shaman King! I haven’t seen in that in years! Ah, the memories…

    Anyway, isn’t Ichigo a spirit? Uh…Isn’t controlling spirit’s what Yoh is all about?

  13. AkumaTh May 26, 2011 at 12:12 pm -      #13

    @ Envoy: Well, that made this fight much more even.

    But the question remains, is Yoh fast enough to counter Ichigo’s speed?

  14. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 1:11 pm -      #14

    “Omnipotence huh, I wonder how a fight against Galactus or LT would sound?”
    Thats the thing, omnipotent vs omnipotent is always a draw, omnipoteni vs not omnipotent always ends up in the all powerfull’s favor.

    “Anyway, isn’t Ichigo a spirit? Uh…Isn’t controlling spirit’s what Yoh is all about?”
    Yes, but not like outright mind control. At least not Yoh.

    “But the question remains, is Yoh fast enough to counter Ichigo’s speed?”
    Personally I do believe Yoh is slower physically, but should be able to keep him in eyesight with the reactions I’ve shown above.

  15. Earl sweatshirt May 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm -      #15

    Duuuude. This is yoh from shaman king this show used to come on fox kids along with ultimate muscle.. The opening song to shaman king was so epic

    “Personally I do believe Yoh is slower physically, but should be able to keep him in eyesight with the reactions I’ve shown above.”

    But didn’t you say you was able to block lightning. shouldn’t he be able to counter ichigo cause I know ichigo isn’t nowhere near lightning speed

  16. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 2:56 pm -      #16

    “But didn’t you say you was able to block lightning. shouldn’t he be able to counter ichigo cause I know ichigo isn’t nowhere near lightning speed’
    There was no movement involved in that, he conjured up some metal to block it.

  17. Laharl May 26, 2011 at 3:30 pm -      #17

    Yoh with ease guy tanks supernova’s and blackholes.

  18. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 5:18 pm -      #18

    “Yoh with ease guy tanks supernova’s and blackholes.”
    The plot saved the day.

  19. Turtle Commando May 26, 2011 at 6:22 pm -      #19

    Don’t know Yoh, I was woefully neglected of cartoons as a child but I do know Ichigo. At first thought when reading the descrip. I thought Byakuya was Aizen right before Ichigo lost his powers. But this is WAAAY different. Yoh has a good chance, or at least better than most Bleach fans would like to think.

  20. CIDE May 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm -      #20

    “Today we have Yoh Asakura from Shaman King making his debut on FactPile going up against Ichigo Kurosaki from Bleach.”

    The not-so-original original vs the blatant rip-off (skills wise)!!! Even some aspects of the manga story between each… hrmm.

    “This incarnation of Ichigo is the one that faught Byakuya on execution hill,”

    So an epic fail bankai and no mask control. Still, his shikai form is still pretty epic.

    “Yoh does not have the Spirit of Earth for this match.”

    This kind of confused me as I only recall him using Amidamaru amped by a number of other shamans…

    “Isn’t Ichigo a pretty fast kinda’ guy, or is he limited in the given incarnation?”

    He’s still super sonic to hyper sonic even with Shikai depending on calcs. I’ll have to see if I can dig’em up again.

    “and I don’t think he has any powerful feat either, and I’ve seen the entire series.”

    Power-wise I think Yoh could at least match if not possibly beat ichigo. The incarnation used for Ichigo isn’t exactly the strongest. As for speed I personally can’t think of any feats for Yoh.

    “On that final battle, Yoh needed the spirits of all the shamans present to defeat Hao.”

    I think you mispelled it (nevermind the dubbed “Zeke”) but regardless…. I’m still confused by Yoh’s incarnation.

    “, Ichigo mastered Shunpo “

    I wouldn’t say “mastered” as technically he still hasn’t mastered it yet.

    “You’ve never read the manga, where that never happened. Current Hao scored omnipotence, and even before that he was a mind reading island buster. “

    Yep.

    “Pluss he’ll just null out Ichigo’s getsuga.
    www.mangareader.net/138-8007-3/shaman-king/chapter-255.html

    Seriously guys, derp.”

    Yep, as Furyoku=Reiatsu when it comes to factpile (both essentially “chi”) he could perform the very same technique on Ichigo.

    “Shaman King is the bleach before bleach, it mas made in the 90s and ended early 2000s.”

    Thank god I’m not the only one!

    “Omnipotence huh, I wonder how a fight against Galactus or LT would sound?”

    Not sure who LT is but he’d stomp Galactus as omnipotence vs anything less=omnipotence winning.

    “Anyway, isn’t Ichigo a spirit?”

    In his fighting incarnation? Yes.

    “Uh…Isn’t controlling spirit’s what Yoh is all about?”

    Within limits. ASide from the nullification there IS a bit of permission involved.

    “Personally I do believe Yoh is slower physically, but should be able to keep him in eyesight with the reactions I’ve shown above.”

    Assuming that lightning bolt (no reason not to) traveled at the true speed of lightning then it’s a speed feat equal to or faster than Ichigo’s fastest. Ichigo’s being his dodge/block of Gin’s bankai multiple times (Mach 500=170,000 m/s so a hair faster than lightning). Even then, Ichigo was just barely managing against those blows and he himself could not move as fast as them.

  21. ss May 26, 2011 at 8:17 pm -      #21

    @cide
    i believe LT is living tribunal

  22. Turtle Commando May 26, 2011 at 8:29 pm -      #22

    Oh, new guys. If it was the Aizen battle incarnation Ichigo could win, but as it is now, it is about even unless you guys can say that Yoh has an uber win technique, as I stated earlier, never read or saw Shaman King so…I can only talk for I K.

  23. Hac148 May 26, 2011 at 8:44 pm -      #23

    @envoy
    for ichigo, u said this is byakuya fight ichigo, when he goes all berserker/mask/rage train f**k everything mode, are we assuming that he wouldnt interrupt it and thus go almost full hollow?

  24. Turtle Commando May 26, 2011 at 9:09 pm -      #24

    I think it’s just plain old ichigo without the hollow showing.

  25. Hac148 May 26, 2011 at 9:22 pm -      #25

    idts, because if were using that particular ichigo the hollow is a very present threat if it senses ichigo is in danger, lol its even in the pic (no relevance, but wanted to point it out)

  26. Diarukia May 26, 2011 at 9:27 pm -      #26

    “Assuming that lightning bolt (no reason not to) traveled at the true speed of lightning then it’s a speed feat equal to or faster than Ichigo’s fastest. Ichigo’s being his dodge/block of Gin’s bankai multiple times (Mach 500=170,000 m/s so a hair faster than lightning).”

    Gin’s bankai isn’t Mach 500. He basically went “lol just kidding” several chapters after he made the initial claim.

  27. Turtle Commando May 26, 2011 at 9:34 pm -      #27

    Well, that sucks, that was Ichigo’s fastest speed at the time. Ouch.

  28. Hac148 May 26, 2011 at 9:51 pm -      #28

    envoy, if u could get back to me on the hollow thing, or anyone for that matter, thanks.
    btw where is mata? havent sen him for a bit

  29. Tarbel May 26, 2011 at 10:26 pm -      #29

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
    www.quora.com/Does-a-lightning-bolt-travel-at-the-speed-of-light
    Lightning bolt is about 61km/s more or less which = 61,000 m/s.
    Nearly thrice as fast as lightning..

  30. Turtle Commando May 26, 2011 at 11:01 pm -      #30

    OH SNAAAAP! Good job Tarbel, here we were all operating on the wrong stuff thank you.

  31. Envoy May 26, 2011 at 11:30 pm -      #31

    “This kind of confused me as I only recall him using Amidamaru amped by a number of other shamans…”
    Mostly yes, but he used the spirit of earth(gravity powers, mineral generation) in the final “battle” against Hao.

    “@envoy
    for ichigo, u said this is byakuya fight ichigo, when he goes all berserker/mask/rage train f**k everything mode, are we assuming that he wouldnt interrupt it and thus go almost full hollow?”
    Just like in the original Byakuya fight, if the mask comes on Ichigo could take it off after a while. Seeing as how it did most of its damage with energy attacks all it’s going to do is put him back at max speed, apparently. So just normal end Soul Society arc Ichigo.

  32. CIDE May 26, 2011 at 11:45 pm -      #32

    “@cide
    i believe LT is living tribunal”

    I didn’t want to assume. Thanks.

    “If it was the Aizen battle incarnation Ichigo could win”

    Yes and no. We know he’s faster but it’s not proven how much faster. His strength drastically increased to unquantifiable levels (mountain busting from a distance) as well as incredible durability to tank what could only be compared to a small nuke with only minor burns to his left arm. Everything else is…unknown.

    “I think it’s just plain old ichigo without the hollow showing.”

    The hollow is still a part of him at that point in the series. He just has no control over it.

    “Gin’s bankai isn’t Mach 500. He basically went “lol just kidding” several chapters after he made the initial claim.”

    He explained how it worked as it dissolved and reconstituted. However, the fight (with vast distance of buildings getting cut) kind of point to a very fast motion regardless. Basically, I saw nothing in later scenes or Gin’s own dialogue to disregard the actual speed of the blade. Mostly because it still had to travel as evidence suggests rather than “lol teleports to get bigger!”.

    “Lightning bolt is about 61km/s more or less which = 61,000 m/s.
    Nearly thrice as fast as lightning..”

    One of the very links you posted (granted, it’s a wiki) states 140,000 m/s. Granted, there is no set speed for lightning as it depends on humidity, air pressure (altitude), etc. Basically lightning is in the ballpark of .3-.5c (c being the speed of light). .5c is 150,000 m/s approximately.

    “Mostly yes, but he used the spirit of earth(gravity powers, mineral generation) in the final “battle” against Hao. “

    Guess that’s what happens when you catch only half the anime, half the manga, then try to fuse it together into a single coherent story.

    “Just like in the original Byakuya fight, if the mask comes on Ichigo could take it off after a while. Seeing as how it did most of its damage with energy attacks all it’s going to do is put him back at max speed, apparently. So just normal end Soul Society arc Ichigo.”

    It seemed to more alleviate the strain/pain/damage that Ichigo’s Bankai was delivering to his own body. Just a theory.

  33. Envoy May 27, 2011 at 12:07 am -      #33

    “He explained how it worked as it dissolved and reconstituted. However, the fight (with vast distance of buildings getting cut) kind of point to a very fast motion regardless. Basically, I saw nothing in later scenes or Gin’s own dialogue to disregard the actual speed of the blade. Mostly because it still had to travel as evidence suggests rather than “lol teleports to get bigger!”.”
    I never understood half the explanations that took place in the Aizen fights.

    “It seemed to more alleviate the strain/pain/damage that Ichigo’s Bankai was delivering to his own body. Just a theory”
    Kinda like what happened during the Kenpachi fight, he gets power boosts and temporarily heals while he’s powered up.

  34. Hac148 May 27, 2011 at 12:34 am -      #34

    but if were removing the CIS “he rips it off cuz HE has to be the one to win the fight” then the hollows healing factor does come into play. not only did it heal him, that lil shell thing it encases him in is pretty damn strong.

  35. Envoy May 27, 2011 at 12:41 am -      #35

    “but if were removing the CIS “he rips it off cuz HE has to be the one to win the fight” then the hollows healing factor does come into play.”
    We aren’t removing CIS we are removing PIS.

    “not only did it heal him, that lil shell thing it encases him in is pretty damn strong.”
    Last I checked all it did was grow a mask, tough mask but just a mask.

  36. koldfury May 27, 2011 at 1:55 am -      #36

    Are we assuming that ichigo’s body will give out the more he uses his bankai?

  37. TheSorrow May 27, 2011 at 2:30 am -      #37

    Meh I’ve gotten tired of Bleach, Ichigo’s random inexplicable power ups and convenient plot twists have become boring. I’m not sure what the aim of the story is anymore, yeah sure he is trying to get his powers back, but ultimately what is he trying to accomplish?

  38. Tarbel May 27, 2011 at 9:24 am -      #38

    Read more carefully? It said MPH on wiki so that is about 61,000m/s for the average speed of lightning. I don’t think lightning can drastically increase in speed so I guess the range would be anywhere from 30,000m/s to 100,000m/s max. Barely 1/3 the speed of light.

    Also, doesn’t Ichigo fight better in Soul Society because the whole place is made of riatsu/reiryoku(spirit particles/chi) or whatever?

  39. Envoy May 27, 2011 at 11:48 am -      #39

    @koldfury
    That’s what happened for Soul Society Ichigo.

    @Tarbel
    CIDE is right, lightning goes from your 60,000 m/s to half the speed of light. It really depends on alot of different circumstances.

    Last I checked there was no boost, vice captain level guys get power limits which get released in the soul society. Ichigo never got a limiter.

  40. Dualgunner May 27, 2011 at 12:20 pm -      #40

    I have to say this is a really interesting match up. I haven’t seen Shaman King in a very long time, keep in mind, and I only read Bleach up to the Hueco Mundo Arc, which as per the terms of the fight, sounds sufficient.

    Seeing as the battlefield is Soul Society, Ichigo has a somewhat “home field advantage” I want to call it, as he has fought several battles within the place. I forgot how much Yoh can adapt to new settings, though, and we are also saying that Ichigo has a picture-perfect memory, in my scenario.

    Ichigo can not move at lightning speed in his fight against Byakuya. As far as I read, he never achieved that speed. (Shunpo doesn’t count) If Yoh did block lightning, depending on the conditions which I am unsure of which can or will be measured, I think the idea that Ichigo is going to defeat him through speedblitz is out.

    Assuming Bankai is his limit, since I don’t think Ichigo used the Hollow’s power, or was really even able to control it, by that point, the Getsuga attack, which it was already established that can be blocked out.

    It is looking like this match goes to Yoh, actually, as I can’t think of any of Ichigo’s powers that would not be blocked out.

  41. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 2:53 pm -      #41

    “Meh I’ve gotten tired of Bleach, Ichigo’s random inexplicable power ups and convenient plot twists have become boring. I’m not sure what the aim of the story is anymore, yeah sure he is trying to get his powers back, but ultimately what is he trying to accomplish?”

    Especially wihtou ta major villain to get the powers back to fight against. Sure, Tsukishima is there and all but he is hardly a big villain.

    “Read more carefully? It said MPH on wiki so that is about 61,000m/s for the average speed of lightning. I don’t think lightning can drastically increase in speed so I guess the range would be anywhere from 30,000m/s to 100,000m/s max. Barely 1/3 the speed of light.”

    You obviously weren’t reading the same page. As the first link reads…”…a leader of a bolt of lightning can travel at speeds of 220,000 km/h (140,000 mph)…”. The second link is mostly empty.

    “Also, doesn’t Ichigo fight better in Soul Society because the whole place is made of riatsu/reiryoku(spirit particles/chi) or whatever?”

    Yes and no. Ichigo fluctuates too much on his own to really tell.

    “Last I checked there was no boost, vice captain level guys get power limits which get released in the soul society. Ichigo never got a limiter.”

    Well, it’s mentioned but never reall confirmed/shown that there’s a boost for anything other than Bount and Quincy.

    “Seeing as the battlefield is Soul Society, Ichigo has a somewhat “home field advantage” I want to call it, as he has fought several battles within the place. I forgot how much Yoh can adapt to new settings, though, and we are also saying that Ichigo has a picture-perfect memory, in my scenario.”

    On that note…I wonder if Amidamaru would have a physical body (or capable of touching physical objects) while in soul society. Granted, Yoh can physically manifest him using his furyoku anyway.

    “Ichigo can not move at lightning speed in his fight against Byakuya. As far as I read, he never achieved that speed. (Shunpo doesn’t count) If Yoh did block lightning, depending on the conditions which I am unsure of which can or will be measured, I think the idea that Ichigo is going to defeat him through speedblitz is out.”

    Ichigo really gained no boosts since then and he was shown dodging/blocking something a hair faster than lightning. Granted, he struggled greatly…

  42. koldfury May 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm -      #42

    Well bleach fans, I think we are going to have to call this one a…loss! Ichigo can’t control his hollow powers, nor can he use Shunpo to any great ability. Plus he is on a time limit due to the fact that his body can’t handle the stress of his Bankai. My vote goes to Yoh.

    @CIDE “Ichigo really gained no boosts since then and he was shown dodging/blocking something a hair faster than lightning. Granted, he struggled greatly…”
    Ichigo did in fact gain a boost due to the fact that has masters Shunpo in a non bankai state. His speed, in the fight with Byakuya, was increased greatly due to the compression factor of his bankai, making him faster. He then goes on to master Shunpo, a technique separate from his bankai.

  43. Laharl May 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm -      #43

    Full powered yoh would be a awardless match.
    Yoh gets an award for this one.

  44. Diarukia May 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm -      #44

    “He explained how it worked as it dissolved and reconstituted. However, the fight (with vast distance of buildings getting cut) kind of point to a very fast motion regardless. Basically, I saw nothing in later scenes or Gin’s own dialogue to disregard the actual speed of the blade. ”

    www.mangareader.net/94-56110-16/bleach/chapter-414.html

    He clearly states that he lied about maximum extension and the speed of the blade he provided earlier. Does the blade move fast? Yeah. Does it move at Mach 500 speeds? The only thing that indicates this is a statement, which is eventually shot down by the person who gave it in the first place.

  45. Envoy May 27, 2011 at 5:20 pm -      #45

    And that is why the Aizen battles makes no sense.

  46. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 7:59 pm -      #46

    “nor can he use Shunpo to any great ability. “

    This simply is not true. He can use it to a rather great degree; he simply hasn’t mastered it as someone claimed. Technically, only a select few people have (thus, not even all the captains had “mastered” it). Even in Shikai he was shown to be quite the speedster in bursts.

    “Plus he is on a time limit due to the fact that his body can’t handle the stress of his Bankai”

    Very true. Even with the potential mask transformation it’s iffy and only buys him a little time.

    ‘Ichigo did in fact gain a boost due to the fact that has masters Shunpo in a non bankai state.”

    His shunpo didn’t increase (notably so) from when he learned it just prior to the Byakuya fight to after. That is disregarding the anime and filler arcs where he just decides not to use it for whatever retarded reason.

    “His speed, in the fight with Byakuya, was increased greatly due to the compression factor of his bankai, making him faster. He then goes on to master Shunpo, a technique separate from his bankai.”

    I restate: he. did. not. master. shunpo. As far as that goes he showed his physical speed via Bankai and THEN showed an even larger boost by stacking shunpo with his bankai.

    “He clearly states that he lied about maximum extension and the speed of the blade he provided earlier. Does the blade move fast? Yeah. Does it move at Mach 500 speeds? The only thing that indicates this is a statement, which is eventually shot down by the person who gave it in the first place.”

    I didn’t know dust intended to attack an organic object would cleave multiple buildings in half in a row as if slashed…

    Guess no provable speed feats for Ichigo beyond super or hyper sonic ranges.

  47. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 8:03 pm -      #47

    Also, rereading the Shaman King manga…

    Even early on Ren without even using spirit powers had the physical speed to jump from one point to another 40-50 meters away in the blink of an eye and even during the Tokyo tournaments we saw a character (Horo Horo) throw an entire avalanche through the city just to attack Yoh with it (which Yoh cut through to hit Horo Horo).

    I’m looking at hte scale here and comparing the worlds between SK and Bleach and it kind of doesn’t look good for Bleach in general.

  48. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 8:06 pm -      #48

    Correction: cut through it (after it plowed through some buildings) to end up getting burried. Then jumping out of the snow and ice like nothing to assault Horo Horo. I jumped to conclusions based on my shitty memory before actually reaching that part.

  49. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 8:12 pm -      #49

    Sorry, tripple post. If we assume the slower end of blinking speed (400 milliseconds) for Manta and go with the 50 meter distance Ren…

    He moved just over 220 miles per hour without spiritual aid like 3-4 chapters into Shaman King when they were at their absolute weakest.

  50. man May 27, 2011 at 8:22 pm -      #50

    Intersting, a loss for Bleach, that’s rare.
    Let’s have Amidamaru vs Zangetsu.

  51. Laharl May 27, 2011 at 10:10 pm -      #51

    “(which Yoh cut through to hit Horo Horo).”
    I own the physical copy of that one, the anime and manga are extremely different.
    “Amidamaru vs Zangetsu.”
    Zangetsu loses for just being a sword that can’t do anything at all.

  52. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 10:17 pm -      #52

    “own the physical copy of that one, the anime and manga are extremely different.”

    I corrected myself in a second post.

    “Zangetsu loses for just being a sword that can’t do anything at all.”

    I think the assumption was that he was physically manifested. Still, too few feats for Amidamaru as it stands now.

  53. Envoy May 27, 2011 at 10:18 pm -      #53

    “Let’s have Amidamaru vs Zangetsu.”
    Even as a spirit, Amidamaru is just a feudual era badass, Zangetsu is a beast.

    I don’t know how to make this out but it’s immpresive nonetheless.
    Yoh and CO. get thrown out of an airplane and null out the landing using their spirits.
    www.mangareader.net/138-7831-18/shaman-king/chapter-79.html
    www.mangareader.net/138-7832-13/shaman-king/chapter-80.html
    www.mangareader.net/138-7832-17/shaman-king/chapter-80.html
    www.mangareader.net/138-7832-18/shaman-king/chapter-80.html

  54. CIDE May 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm -      #54

    “Even as a spirit, Amidamaru is just a feudual era badass, Zangetsu is a beast.”

    Well, it depends if we pull from his various oversoul forms for feats (such as when fully formed) or his still living incarnation as a human samurai. As far as Zangetsu with battles he is for all intents and purposes Ichigo. Maybe a different power level but the same fighting style and skillset.

    “Yoh and CO. get thrown out of an airplane and null out the landing using their spirits.”

    Triple digit kilojoules to low megajoules I bet without doing calcs (based on previous calcs on other people reaching terminal velocity).

  55. Tarbel May 28, 2011 at 1:22 am -      #55

    @CIDE
    I don’t understand. Wiki says 220,000 km per hour or 140,000 miles per hour. When converted this is equal to 61,111m per second.
    The second link says 61km per second which is the same thing and measures the return stroke of lightning as 27,800 km per second or 27,800,000 m per second. This is still only 1/10th the speed of light.

  56. CIDE May 28, 2011 at 1:46 am -      #56

    Since you’re using wikipedia I’ll highlight the part directly from the page you posted:
    “Lightning is an atmospheric electrostatic discharge (spark) accompanied by thunder, which typically occurs during thunderstorms, and sometimes during volcanic eruptions or dust storms.[1] From this discharge of atmospheric electricity, a leader of a bolt of lightning can travel at speeds of 220,000 km/h (140,000 mph), and can reach temperatures approaching 30,000 °C (54,000 °F), hot enough to fuse silica sand into glass channels known as fulgurites which are normally hollow and can extend some distance into the ground.[2][3] There are some 16 million lightning storms in the world every year.[4]
    I have absolutely no clue where you are getting your numbers from as I don’t even see ANYTHING on the second link you posted.

    wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_speed_of_lightning
    www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00189.htm

  57. Tarbel May 28, 2011 at 11:26 am -      #57

    WTH. Are you not looking at the units of measure?!?!
    220,000 KILOMETERS PER HOUR: DIVIDE THIS NUMBER BY 3600 = 61.111111 x 1000 = 61,111 METERS PER SECOND.
    140,000 MILES PER HOUR: DIVIDE THIS NUMBER BY 3600 = 38.888888 MILES PER SECOND.
    And THIS was my second link.
    www.quora.com/Does-a-lightning-bolt-travel-at-the-speed-of-light
    It states:
    “The leader travels at 61 km/s and the return stroke at 27800 km/s. These speeds are much less than the speed of light (299792 km/s).”

  58. CIDE May 28, 2011 at 1:15 pm -      #58

    “WTH. Are you not looking at the units of measure?!?!”

    Kind of the reason to ignore wiki links, eh?

    “And THIS was my second link.”

    Yes, I did open this up. Blank page is all I got.

    Did you check my two links?

  59. AkumaTh May 28, 2011 at 3:21 pm -      #59

    @Tarbel:

    I have the same problem CIDE has. All I see is related questions, a text box to add something and the title of the question. Do you think you can post a screenshot from your end or is it something you have to sign up for to see?

  60. Tarbel May 28, 2011 at 11:34 pm -      #60

    CIDE, you first link states:
    “The Guinness Book of Answers indicates maximum speeds around 87,000 miles per second. Also, the US Department of Energy gives the speed of lightning as 93,000 miles per second, which may be based on the ‘half the speed of light’ principle. Neither is considered accurate for atmospheric discharges.”
    and
    “Propagation of high-altitude lightning observed from space was measured at a speed of 50 kilometers per second (112,000 mph). This is considerably slower than the 670 kilometers per second (1,500,000 mph) maximum return stroke velocity reported in an IEEE report in 2006. In a paper published in 2007, wide variations in stroke speeds were reported, up to 4000 kilometers per second (9,000,000 mph). While incredibly fast, these show that the average lightning speed is considerably slower than the speed of light.”

    Second link says that other websites state 1/2 the speed of light and 1/3. But then later another person says that it is no more than 1/2 the speed of light but in fact substantially less…

    I don’t know why you guys can’t see it..
    i51.tinypic.com/29ofnef.jpg

  61. CIDE May 28, 2011 at 11:45 pm -      #61

    “Second link says that other websites state 1/2 the speed of light and 1/3. But then later another person says that it is no more than 1/2 the speed of light but in fact substantially less…”

    Yeah, exactly. Remember the figures I said earlier…? .3-.5c. Or 1/3 all the way up to 1/2 the speed of light. Of course none of it is completely accurate and there’s no real way to get a generalized speed of lighting. The reason being electricity’s speed is dependent on the substance it runs through. When run through certain conductors (namely certain metals) they can travel up to .9c (90% the speed of light).

    It all depends.

    ‘I don’t know why you guys can’t see it..
    i51.tinypic.com/29ofnef.jpg

    No clue why not. Can anyone else see it?

  62. CIDE May 28, 2011 at 11:57 pm -      #62

    On that note (as I continue to read the manga) I’m seeing even more instances of power output comparison. Even these low tier characters (guys below a Furyoku rating of 10,000 with the stronger guys being more than 10 times that with pre-ascension Hao being over 1 million) are showing to put out more damage than the likes of Vice Captain/Lieutenant level characters from Bleach.

  63. Turtle Commando May 28, 2011 at 11:58 pm -      #63

    Lightning W007! 707@1 H@X0R $9311z!
    Interesting stuff actually, you always kind of assumed it traveled at the speed of light until you think, wait a second…it’s light! It’s electrons!

  64. Tarbel May 30, 2011 at 6:19 pm -      #64

    The amount of power you put doesn’t matter much since both characters are essential human. I think it will depend on who can deliver the fatal strike first. Unless Yoh has a lot more defensive feats that I don’t know of.

    On another note, I finished Blame! and it was pretty frekin cool. Killy is the shetz

  65. CIDE May 30, 2011 at 6:49 pm -      #65

    “The amount of power you put doesn’t matter much since both characters are essential human. I think it will depend on who can deliver the fatal strike first. Unless Yoh has a lot more defensive feats that I don’t know of.”

    In his final fight in the tournament (disregarding the Plants and Hao’s final battle) he was fighting both Horo Horo and Ren rather easily after losing one of his arms and technically “dying” in the fight (granted, he did get a little bit of healing done). As far as will power is concerned it definitely goes to Yoh.

    “On another note, I finished Blame! and it was pretty frekin cool. Killy is the shetz”

    Do you now see why he’s my Gravatar?
    Full sized version of the Gravatar: i145.photobucket.com/albums/r210/pseudoweapon/manga/pale.jpg

  66. CIDE June 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm -      #66

    On a side note (I misplaced the manga scan but I can locate it for anyone that requires it) but it was described that Ren’s lightning attack was literal lightning. Rather than his Furyoku powering an electrical attack his Oversoul (kinda like a bankai) emulates the conditions required for a lightning strike and prompts it at will.

    I also point this out because he fought a collection of people with the specific ability to nullify Furyoku; that is any Furyoku based attack could not and would not touch them. He lacked the ability to simply over power them so he used the lightning.

  67. The hero of Anime June 14, 2012 at 11:32 pm -      #67

    Soo Yoh, won??? rigth.

    What if this match is change to Ichigo in the end of Hueco Mundo saga, against Yoh, if that happend then Ichigo will have an edge wining…I think, if that dont work, what about the Ichigo who beats Aizen in the series???

  68. The hero of Anime June 14, 2012 at 11:57 pm -      #68

    Bump

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