RACE! – Sonic Vs Road Runner Vs Samus Vs Speedy Vs Falcon Vs Aya

RACE - Sonic Vs Road Runner Vs Samus Vs Speedy Gonzales Vs Captian Falcon Vs Aya

Suggested by orber

When I saw this request come in, I thought it was simple brilliant. Here we have some of the fastest characters from multiple genres facing off against each other.

First off is Sonic the Hedgehog formerly of Sega against the Road Runner and Speedy Gonzales from Looney Tunes who will also butt heads with Samus Aran of Metroid fame along with Captain Falcon from F-Zero, and making her debut on FactPile is Aya Shameimaru from Touhou.

Wowza.

The racingtrack will be Red Canyon from F-Zero GX:
(www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zc3vNzqK-0)

Just like in the video the rocks will be falling down but Captain Falcon does NOT know the racetrack in this match in order to prevent him from having a advantage. He also has a maximum of 3 boosts.

Samus has speed boost but is not allowed to shinespark.

Aya is allowed to use her wings but hovers above the ground for a maximum of 4 meters and must follow the racetrack.

Who would win?

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189 Comments on "RACE! – Sonic Vs Road Runner Vs Samus Vs Speedy Vs Falcon Vs Aya"

  1. Sparks April 11, 2011 at 8:20 am -      #1

    Probably sonic, but I don’t know who Aya is though.

  2. JoshMcFace April 11, 2011 at 8:21 am -      #2

    You used my artwork of Samus!
    Oh Admin, you gentleman you.

    F Zero X ships move at about 700km/h on average from what I remember on the N64, not enough to overtake Samus or Sonic at supersonic. I have no idea who Aya is.

  3. AkumaTh April 11, 2011 at 9:00 am -      #3

    I’ll put my money on Sonic. As far as I recall, Samus’s Supersonic speed isn’t as controllable as Sonic, who could turn on a dime.

  4. bluefireXD April 11, 2011 at 9:12 am -      #4

    Those rocks might be a problem. I’m fairly sure Samus will just smash through them, but what about the rest? Will Speedy just get obliterated?

  5. theobserver April 11, 2011 at 9:44 am -      #5

    Is sonic allowed to go light speed for this? If that’s so then he automatically takes the cake :\

  6. super duper Chuck April 11, 2011 at 10:14 am -      #6

    Dante should’ve been in this race I’m pretty sure he runs faster than samus and falcon..
    thus is on feet right?

  7. man April 11, 2011 at 10:22 am -      #7

    Then the Flash appears and high-fives everyone, before disappearing into the sunset.
    But seriously,
    Everytime the Road Runner looks back and sticks out its tongue it goes faster.

  8. Michael50210 April 11, 2011 at 10:45 am -      #8

    Oh come on, the answer is so obvious!
    ROAD RUNNER FTW!

  9. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 10:48 am -      #9

    Sonic will run at the 768 mph. If he goes Super Sonic, his speed will increase, and of course, Hyper Sonic will increase even more. Samus runs at supersonic speeds, and although FactPile likes to use the lowest number, it is feasible to say Samus can hit the Mach 5 range. Captain Falcon’s Blue Falcon, if at its top speed, can reach 1,034 km/h.

    0.621371192 miles is 1 kilometer. 0.621371192 * 1,034 is 642 mph.

    The Blue Falcon’s booster can offer an extra boost of speed. I saw that if he used the boost once, it was around the 1,200 km/h, but if he used it multiple times, I saw 1,555 km/h. If we went with 1,555 km/h, then…

    0.621371192 * 1,555 is 966 mph.

    I know who Speed Gonzalez and Road Runner are. They are my favorites in Looney Toons. The problem is, we can’t find out a speed for them. I’d say that the speed can transition between Sonic and Samus, depending on if Sonic is getting that light speed or not.

    Sonic > Samus > Blue Falcon

    The other three, I don’t know.

  10. man April 11, 2011 at 10:51 am -      #10

    Guven the Toonforce inside the Looney Tunes, i can assume the mouse and the bird will always be faster than the ones chasing them,

  11. theobserver April 11, 2011 at 10:56 am -      #11

    I remember there being an episode where Speedy and Road Runner actually raced each other. From the looks of it, they seemed pretty dead even…though they did get beaten by Sylvester and Wile E. using a rocket car. Oh Looney Tunes…:D

    I can’t seem to find a video of it right now though.

  12. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 11:16 am -      #12

    @ man:
    “Guven the Toonforce inside the Looney Tunes, i can assume the mouse and the bird will always be faster than the ones chasing them,”

    But, but man, no one is chasing them! Haha!

    In all seriousness, though, that’s how I see the list.

    @ theobserver:

    I remember there being an episode where Speedy and Road Runner actually raced each other. From the looks of it, they seemed pretty dead even…though they did get beaten by Sylvester and Wile E. using a rocket car. Oh Looney Tunes…:D

    I can’t seem to find a video of it right now though.”

    Ain’t nostalgia a b****? Man… Not you, man, FP member. :p

  13. smiler666 April 11, 2011 at 12:11 pm -      #13

    (the legends that are) speedy and roadrunner move so fast in the toons that they are a blur, i.e. faster than light can reach your eye. dont know who falcon or aya are. sonic can go supersonic (hence the name =]). samus doesnt seem that fast from my experience, although i have only played metroid prime hunters on DS.

    from what i see:
    speedy=roadrunner>sonic the hedgehog>samus and the other 2 i dont know enough to judge, but all are inferior to Wile E. and the good people at ACME (so long as there are no walls =]).

    and finally high five to Orber for suggesting this, best FP match i have ever seen.

  14. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 12:52 pm -      #14

    Aya is fast, but the fandom usually blows it out of the water. Within the Touhou canon she is not the fastest as Youmu Konpaku was able to move faster than Aya was able to track, but other than that right now I’m a bit at a loss of exactly how fast she is.

    Sonic, assuming his lightspeed dash is not allowed, can hit at least Mach 5.

    We probably need complex math in order to figure out just how fast Samus can actually go on Earth-like gravity thanks to how stupid Zebes is.

    And Smiler, despite the fact that Speedy and Roadrunner can be so fast that they are a blur, they are not faster than light. If they were they could run around the entire world 7.5 times in a single second.

    Personally I think Sonic has this by a large margin.

  15. super duper Chuck April 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm -      #15

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9VVpOHLDgU
    fast forward to 7:41 and watch onward
    sonic for fp award

  16. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 1:44 pm -      #16

    Sonic X is non-canon.

  17. smiler666 April 11, 2011 at 1:46 pm -      #17

    @ original
    damn you and your facts! how fast would you have to be to run the grand canyon in <10ish secs, coz thats the kind of thing roadrunner does on an episode-ly basis.

  18. super duper Chuck April 11, 2011 at 1:50 pm -      #18

    “Sonic X is non-canon.”

    now why ya gotta go an say that?? it wouldnt hurt if the other pilers didnt know
    gameplay makes sonic seem slow and plus it’s hard to gauge where he’s at in the speed department so I say we should use the comics and show
    @orber
    you should’ve put Dante in this

  19. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 1:51 pm -      #19

    Mach 131…. which is actually damned awesome. Could you provide video proof of this feat though? Considered what I’ve seen of Roadrunner I would not believe he has done this.

  20. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm -      #20

    @ OriginalA:
    “We probably need complex math in order to figure out just how fast Samus can actually go on Earth-like gravity thanks to how stupid Zebes is.”

    In Metroid: Other M, Samus outruns an avalanche. These can reach 60 – 80 mph. Samus also drops while the avalanche is still approaching her, meaning that her five second start-up in MOM doesn’t give her the chance to go supersonic the moment she drops.

    Samus gaining supersonic speed may be a game mechanic. I tested it out in Super Metroid, and the time it took from starting the run up to where she flashes blue was about 1 second. In Metroid Fusion and Metroid: Zero Mission, but took about 2 seconds. MOM takes at least five. Anyway…

    I still think it’s Sonic > Samus > Blue Falcon. Again, I don’t know who Aya is. I have heard of Touhou before. Again, we don’t know how fast the other three can move, so we can’t determine it.

    “Mach 131…. which is actually damned awesome. Could you provide video proof of this feat though? Considered what I’ve seen of Roadrunner I would not believe he has done this.”

    That’s just 40k below the speed of lightning! O.O

  21. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 2:16 pm -      #21

    Metroid: Other M also takes place in a Zebes like gravity field. This is evidenced by the fact that “Super Gravity” (as the game identifies it as) is functionally the same as the local gravity * 2 and we know that Samus can function perfectly well in super crazy number of g’s. Ergo in order for Super Gravity to be detrimental for her the local gravity would have to be Zebes like; hence supersonic is only possible with speed booster assistance.

    Besides that, Samus didn’t out run the avalanche. She slid down that hill letting only gravity pull her (the same gravity pulling the avalanche down on her).

    “That’s just 40k below the speed of lightning! O.O”

    Yeah, and its only 44.6k above standing still.

    @Chuck:
    The games are the only canon source. The others are non-canon material. If those are allowed then a whole can of worms in opened up and every single match will just be one giant canon argument with no-one agreeing on anything.

  22. smiler666 April 11, 2011 at 2:28 pm -      #22

    @original
    not sure if its the actual grand canyon, and its 15 secconds, but this clip from 3:20 to 3:35 (the whole thing shows roadrunner speed)

  23. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 2:32 pm -      #23

    @ OriginalA:
    “Metroid: Other M also takes place in a Zebes like gravity field. This is evidenced by the fact that “Super Gravity” (as the game identifies it as) is functionally the same as the local gravity *”

    Super gravity is referring to the different gravitational fields in the Cryosphere on the way to Sector Zero. One part flips Samus upside down, meaning that the gravity was reversed, while the second part increases the gravity, much like how Nightmare increases the gravity during the first battle. This is the reference to “super gravity.” Upon equipping the Gravity Feature, Samus is immune to the “super gravity,” and it is noted that she is immune to gravitational fields. The Gravity Feature, thus, gives Samus the feel of normal gravity.

    Before all of this, Samus escapes the avalanche, which means she didn’t have the Gravity Feature active. Perhaps you could clarify what you mean.

    “2 and we know that Samus can function perfectly well in super crazy number of g’s. Ergo in order for Super Gravity to be detrimental for her the local gravity would have to be Zebes like; hence supersonic is only possible with speed booster assistance.”

    Samus had no trouble living on planet Zebes, so I don’t see what the trouble would be. And of course supersonic speed is only possible with the Speed Booster.

    “Besides that, Samus didn’t out run the avalanche. She slid down that hill letting only gravity pull her (the same gravity pulling the avalanche down on her).”

    After she drops, then she has to run, and seeing as how it’s canon that she escapes it, she did outrun it.

  24. Soldier's Shadow April 11, 2011 at 3:13 pm -      #24

    This would have been a cool match if it weren’t for Sonic taking it pretty damn easily…=/

    Orber, you came up with a great idea for a match so kudos to you on being different.

  25. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 3:36 pm -      #25

    Where does it say Sonic moves at light speed?

  26. cyborg pirate ninja jesus April 11, 2011 at 4:55 pm -      #26
  27. Hac148 April 11, 2011 at 5:02 pm -      #27

    the road runner died……..

  28. Laharl April 11, 2011 at 5:11 pm -      #28

    “Sonic X is non-canon.”
    Not really it’s just not home canon.
    Anywho Shadow has gone lightspeed without lightspeed dash or super form.
    Therefor Sonic can as well.
    Lightspeed dash is a game mechanic anyway(as in he doesn’t need it to go lightspeed) and if he went any faster in his games you couldn’t control him.
    He can only go FTL wiht superform however.
    Roadrunner is the only competition he has in this btw.

  29. smiler666 April 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm -      #29

    noooooooooooo not the roadrunner =*[
    how could you wile E *sob*

    aslo surely being dead the roadrunner now has wings so can fly the track (and halo so gets stomped =])

  30. The Geek Lord April 11, 2011 at 6:14 pm -      #30

    Yeah, I think we all know Road Runner will win. He can run through solid walls, and he, like most Looney Tunes, has access to an unlimited supply of ACME products, should he choose to use them.
    Also, that video was fake, Hac.

  31. Jwlynas April 11, 2011 at 6:44 pm -      #31

    Speedy and Roadrunner have Toonforce, which is potentially a gamewinner. Problem being Toonforce is like the Fairy Odd Parents rules on wishes (or any of your chosen genie-like beings rules) in that it had a great many limitations. First and foremost being that it can only be used for comic effect. So unless it would seem funnier for them to win, they won’t.

    Of course, given the arrogance of Sonic, it’d likely be hilarious to see him cockily zooming past everyone, only to have roadrunner and speedy lounging at the finish line, holding the tape while sipping martinis.

    So… Yeah.

  32. TheSorrow April 11, 2011 at 6:59 pm -      #32

    “Speedy and Roadrunner have Toonforce, which is potentially a gamewinner. Problem being Toonforce is like the Fairy Odd Parents rules on wishes (or any of your chosen genie-like beings rules) in that it had a great many limitations. First and foremost being that it can only be used for comic effect. So unless it would seem funnier for them to win, they won’t.

    Of course, given the arrogance of Sonic, it’d likely be hilarious to see him cockily zooming past everyone, only to have roadrunner and speedy lounging at the finish line, holding the tape while sipping martinis.

    So… Yeah.”

    Jwlynas pretty much nailed it right on the head.

  33. Envoy April 11, 2011 at 7:49 pm -      #33

    @OriginalA
    What does Aya do? Would she do well against Rainbow dash? The site would get 10% cooler.

    Was Sonic an arrogant douche in the games? I know the cartoons made him that way but the games usually potrayed him as a pure hearted hero. Playful…until someone his level comes around.

  34. TheSorrow April 11, 2011 at 7:54 pm -      #34

    Well inthe original Sonic Adventure games if he stood still for an extended period he would start tapping his fought and stare at you impatiently.

  35. Envoy April 11, 2011 at 8:09 pm -      #35

    How is that arrogant, Sorrow?
    Its more impatience than anything.
    As long as something is keeping his attention, he wont get bored.

  36. TheSorrow April 11, 2011 at 8:17 pm -      #36

    Nah it was just something to note about his personality.

  37. AkumaTh April 11, 2011 at 8:42 pm -      #37

    “Anywho Shadow has gone lightspeed without lightspeed dash or super form.
    Therefor Sonic can as well.”

    Shadow has the power of Chaos Control, which after Sonic Battle he could use without an emerald.

    And that canyon wasn’t the grand canyon, but a generic canyon. Still, my money is on Sonic. Can go Super Sonic speeds.

  38. Laharl April 11, 2011 at 8:56 pm -      #38

    “Shadow has the power of Chaos Control, which after Sonic Battle he could use without an emerald.” He didn’t use chaos control either to do it.

  39. AkumaTh April 11, 2011 at 9:06 pm -      #39

    You’re referring to Light Speed Dash, I presume. The last three games (Sonic 06, Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic Colors) have Light Speed dash only available when Sonic gets said requirements (Light Chips, Light Speed Shoes and Blue Wisps).

    Besides, still fastest of the six here.

  40. Negative Zero April 11, 2011 at 9:11 pm -      #40

    Hmmmmm…………..my guess…..
    1st place: Sonic
    2nd place: Road Runner
    3rd place: Speedy Gonzalez
    4th place: Captin Falcon
    5th place: Samus
    6th place: Aya

    “As long as something is keeping his attention, he wont get bored.”
    So Sonic has ADD?

    ……………………………Show me your moves!!!

  41. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 10:07 pm -      #41

    @ Dryn
    “Samus had no trouble living on planet Zebes, so I don’t see what the trouble would be. And of course supersonic speed is only possible with the Speed Booster.”

    Seriously?

    I’m saying that the Bottle Ship has Zebes like gravity instead of Earth like gravity. This has a small differance of 8480.745 m/s^2, more easily stated as basically Mach 25 PER SECOND…. FUCK! Samus is hypersonic in 1 g. UNASSISTED!

    And that is just so she could STAND. In her suit she is considerably faster, on Zebes, were the local gravity turns you into paste. Stick her on Earth and she will be blitzing.

    The fact that she is NOT blitzing on the Bottle Ship is because it is Zebes like in its local gravity instead of Earth like. People with working brains understood this when I explained it the first time.

    @ Akuma
    Sonic could hit Lightspeed without assistence in Sonic Heroes. It was part of his Team Blast attack. Without game mechanics to limit the use of this moves, it means that he can hit lightspeed whenever he wants.

    @Envoy
    Aya is mostly a journalist.

    Most of the time she just interviews people and is brutally honest, and slightly exaggerated, about her conclusions of them, and then she writes an article about them and then distributes it to everyone in Gensokyo.

    … Oh, you meant pertinent to Factpile matches.

    Well she can move with the wind, or is the wind… She’s fast anyways, and has a better reaction time than humans. Her hauchiwa fan has the ability to generate winds that can blow over a house with just a single swipe (although since Gensokyo has weird tech levels and seems to be mostly stuck in what appears to be fudal era Japan, I’m not sure how great those building construction codes are). With two swipes it can blow over a large tree, and with three swipes it can blow off a traveler’s cloak. I’m not quite sure why that last one isn’t the first one since the first two imply increasingly impressive feats, but given the nature of some of the “regular humans”, and not to mention the plethora of Youkai (magical beings) that can do crazy stupidly powerful stuff, maybe the third one is just a testament of how well a traveler can hold on to their cloak.

    Anyways, she can generate tornado speed winds, as well as tornadoes themselves, and of course she has her Danmaku, which I’ll show you now.

    Apparently this is her deliberately losing (2:29; she’s the one on top):

  42. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 10:33 pm -      #42

    @ OriginalA:
    “…

    Seriously?”

    Seriously.

    “I’m saying that the Bottle Ship has Zebes like gravity instead of Earth like gravity. This has a small differance of 8480.745 m/s^2, more easily stated as basically Mach 25 PER SECOND…. FUCK! Samus is hypersonic in 1 g. UNASSISTED!”

    And how do you know that the Bottle Ship is equal gravity as Zebes? Where’s the proof?

    “And that is just so she could STAND. In her suit she is considerably faster, on Zebes, were the local gravity turns you into paste. Stick her on Earth and she will be blitzing.”

    If on a planet or location with the gravity similar or equal to that of Earth’s, Samus would be able to run much longer, considering that living in an area with higher gravity will increase the lung capacity. I don’t know how this will improve her speed, though.

    “The fact that she is NOT blitzing on the Bottle Ship is because it is Zebes like in its local gravity instead of Earth like.”

    I cannot accept this unless there is a source to prove that the Bottle Ship has Zebe’s gravity.

  43. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 10:48 pm -      #43

    I already explained how to figure out that the Bottle Ship was Zebes-like in Post 21. Apparently it went over your head.

  44. Dryn April 11, 2011 at 10:59 pm -      #44

    @ OriginalA:
    “I already explained how to figure out that the Bottle Ship was Zebes-like in Post 21. Apparently it went over your head.”

    That’s because you’re confusing super gravity with something else.

  45. AkumaTh April 11, 2011 at 11:03 pm -      #45

    Sonic could hit Lightspeed without assistence in Sonic Heroes. It was part of his Team Blast attack. Without game mechanics to limit the use of this moves, it means that he can hit lightspeed whenever he wants.

    Actually, it was with Knuckles’s spinning and Tails’s kick. Meaning that game also doesn’t have him using the Lightspeed Dash without outside sources.

  46. OriginalA April 11, 2011 at 11:26 pm -      #46

    1) I highly doubt that Knuckles’s spinning and Tails’s kick did all that much. I mean, this is LIGHTSPEED we are talking about; infinite energy to accelerate an object with mass to that speed.
    2) Sonic could preform another Lightspeed Attack on demand, without Knuckles’s spinning and Tails’s kick, while the Team Blast meter is “cooling down” afterwards (0:15), which tells me Sonic can do it all by himself and he only lets his friends “help” him do that attack because its cool.

  47. Envoy April 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm -      #47

    @ OriginalA
    So this game is basically Super Galga times 11?
    Wow.
    Like most MLP:FIM character’s Rainbow dash doesn’t have much going for her, all she is-is a really fast pegasus pony, super sonic actually.

    “And how do you know that the Bottle Ship is equal gravity as Zebes? Where’s the proof?”
    The ship is specifically made to copy Zebes’ enviroment in a ship.

  48. OriginalA April 12, 2011 at 12:15 am -      #48

    The Touhou games are Danmaku games (they even refer to their fights as Danmaku fights in the canon).

    Danmaku is, translated literally, Bullet Curtain, and the same genre as we English speakers know as Bullet Hell games.

    Touhou is actually one of the “easier” bullet hell game series. But the creator of Touhou makes an emphasis on making pretty patterns that are also challenging instead of just bullet blankest, which actually makes the Touhou games very nice to watch (this is also mentioned in the canon as well oddly enough). Other bullet hell games can be eye sores because of all of the bullets on screen at the time with patterns that are just meant to kill the player as quickly and effectively as possible. Then there are those games that are just like “If you don’t have enough bombs to destroy all of the bullets on screen throughout the entire boss fight you’re going to die repeatedly.”

  49. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 12:20 am -      #49

    @ Envoy:
    “The ship is specifically made to copy Zebes’ enviroment in a ship.”

    Not really. There are numerous creatures that don’t ever appear on planet Zebes. Not to mention Zebes doesn’t have a Cryosphere. Samus says that the Bottle Ship was turning into Zebes, but only because of what was going on.

  50. CIDE April 12, 2011 at 12:27 am -      #50

    The Millenium Falcon was forgot for this race. Toooo bad Mr. Solo.

  51. super duper Chuck April 12, 2011 at 12:45 am -      #51

    Hey Envoy. I Hate you. . I just wanted to say that. so yeah.

  52. TheSorrow April 12, 2011 at 12:48 am -      #52

    “Hey Envoy. I Hate you. . I just wanted to say that. so yeah.”

    Out of the blue comment? Well whatever, toon physics will win the day.

  53. super duper Chuck April 12, 2011 at 12:59 am -      #53

    “Out of the blue comment? Well whatever, toon physics will win the day.”

    yeah I just had to say it. but sonic had toon physics too back in his old cartoon

  54. TheSorrow April 12, 2011 at 1:16 am -      #54

    “but sonic had toon physics too back in his old cartoon”

    *shudders* Thank god that cartoon is not canon. With such episodes as this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMWzubLILds. The mere thought of watching that show chills my blood.

  55. Overdriven April 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm -      #55

    This is really a go between Samus and Sonic. If it’s a straight race, it’s much closer, since Samus’ Speed Boost goes at somewhere around 1000-2000 KPH. That still leaves Sonic the winner, though, since he’s been clocked going at full speed at 3,500 MPH. That’s a fair amount faster than Samus. If it’s anything involving turns, though, Sonic wins hands down. He’s able to drift (which not many characters can do outside a car), and he can turn pretty sharp turns for 3,500 MPH.

  56. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 3:43 pm -      #56

    @ Overdriven:
    “This is really a go between Samus and Sonic. If it’s a straight race, it’s much closer, since Samus’ Speed Boost goes at somewhere around 1000-2000 KPH. That still leaves Sonic the winner, though, since he’s been clocked going at full speed at 3,500 MPH. That’s a fair amount faster than Samus. If it’s anything involving turns, though, Sonic wins hands down. He’s able to drift (which not many characters can do outside a car), and he can turn pretty sharp turns for 3,500 MPH.”

    I don’t know where you got the information that Sonic ever ran 3,500 mph, which is between Mach 4.5 and 4.6, but it’s feasible for a character who can run at supersonic speeds to range from the ordinary speed of sound, up to Mach 5, which is 3,840 mph.

    If becoming Hyper Sonic will increase Sonic’s speed, then yes, he wins. I don’t know why a character like Sonic would be able to run light speed, and yet have these other forms like super and hyper. It doesn’t make any sense to be called Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic if he moves at light speed without these transformations. They may as well call him Light.

  57. theobserver April 12, 2011 at 3:50 pm -      #57

    @Dryn

    “Where does it say Sonic moves at light speed?”

    Here you go:

    info.sonicretro.org/File:Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg

    “If becoming Hyper Sonic will increase Sonic’s speed, then yes, he wins.”

    The link also states him as being hypersonic.

  58. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 4:28 pm -      #58

    @ theobserver:
    “Here you go:

    info.sonicretro.org/File:Sa-dx-pc-eu-manual-p16-17.jpg

    I find it pointless for him to turn super or hyper. It’s funny that super and hyper just mean the same thing. The former is Latin and the latter is Greek.

  59. Man1cmanMario April 12, 2011 at 5:23 pm -      #59

    “The link also states him as being hypersonic.”

    He means Hyper Sonic, that legendary Super Form only available in S3&K. Thye one that goes 3 times as fast as Super Sonic, can double jump, and can destroy all on-screen normal enemies in one fell swoop just by making the screen flash and double-jumping.

    Also, as for the race, as a long-time Sonic fan, I still hate to just give it to him. So, fere’s how it works for me:

    Sonic: 90-97% chance of winning. He’d really only lose if he fell off the course ( which it’s kinda hard for him to since it’s the GX course, which is a REALLY SHORT straibght-way basically; he’d just LOLPWN the F-Zero X version even more since it’s pretty much another narrow path but with two walls the whole time and separated into parts).

    As for the rest of the competition…Falcon just MAY have the upper hand from a realistic standpoint. Seeing as he’s won every F-Zero he’s been in, he know each track like the back of his hand, IF THIS WERE THE SNES VERSION. True he’s probably the slowest of the racers, what with only barely being capable of Mach 2 (maybe not even that) without a Reactor Might from the anime (which, seeing as this is Douglas Jay Falcon and not Andy Summer, it’s kind of hard for the game Falcon to even know about something that doesn’t exist in his world) (there may also be some saving grace for his speed issue, something that may have been in GX that would solve the problem; I own BUT HAVEN’T BEATEN GX, so I dunno). However, he knows all the shortcuts so he would POSSIIBLY have a shot at victory if this were the SNES version ( which is FILLED with sharp turns and would prevent Samus from Shinesparking the whole thing). I know nothing of Aya, so I can’t say for her.

  60. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 5:33 pm -      #60

    @ Man1cmanMario

    I already offered the Blue Falcon’s speed. Turning will slow down the vehicle, however, and if the BF is going at top speed, it will have less control for turning, meaning that it would have to slow down in order not to crash.

  61. TheSorrow April 12, 2011 at 5:44 pm -      #61

    People are just ignoring the Looney Tune characters. You can’t beat a cartoon character with regular physics! Drop a nuke on them and the most you will ever do is turn them into a pile of dust and the next scene they will be fine.

  62. Laharl April 12, 2011 at 6:10 pm -      #62

    “You’re referring to Light Speed Dash, I presume. ”
    No I’m not,He simply did while he was basically in the infrastructure of a computer.
    No chaos control,Lightspeed dash or anything.

    “That’s because you’re confusing super gravity with something else.” Let me guess “Game mechanics”

  63. Man1cmanMario April 12, 2011 at 6:45 pm -      #63

    “I already offered the Blue Falcon’s speed. Turning will slow down the vehicle, however, and if the BF is going at top speed, it will have less control for turning, meaning that it would have to slow down in order not to crash.”

    I didn’t say that was Falcon’s upper hand on the SNES version of Red Canyon. I said the SHORTCUTS are. People going at the average top rate for the BF have used said shortcuts to finish their race in 1:30 or less, and that’s WITH game restrictions.

    I already KNOW he’s about the slowest one on there; I SAID that. And this was capable on said course BEFORE X invented the new system; imagine NOW.

  64. theobserver April 12, 2011 at 6:59 pm -      #64

    “People going at the average top rate for the BF have used said shortcuts to finish their race in 1:30 or less, and that’s WITH game restrictions. ”

    For that, I point to the match description which goes:

    “Just like in the video the rocks will be falling down but Captain Falcon does NOT know the racetrack in this match in order to prevent him from having an advantage.”

    C. Falcon won’t know the race track for this match so he likely won’t know of those shortcuts that you’re talking about.

  65. AkumaTh April 12, 2011 at 7:08 pm -      #65

    @theobserver: The link even said it above that, “Actions after finding a level-up item”. An item he doesn’t seem to use after, if we believe what was said, Sonic Heroes.

    @Laharl: No I’m not,He simply did while he was basically in the infrastructure of a computer.
    No chaos control,Lightspeed dash or anything.

    So you’re comparing Shadow in the Matrix/Tron world of that specific game to Sonic in our world?

  66. Man1cmanMario April 12, 2011 at 7:13 pm -      #66

    Well, I know it’s the GX course. That whole time I was explaining what would probably happen with the other two console versions of the course. Notice I said, AS QUOTED: “IF THIS WERE THE SNES VERSION.” I knew the whole time that we were using the GX version, which is why, not only did I say Sonic would beast it in some too-short-to-describe time, but also would say Falcon would probably finish in dead last.

  67. Laharl April 12, 2011 at 7:25 pm -      #67

    “So you’re comparing Shadow in the Matrix/Tron world of that specific game to Sonic in our world?”
    You remember the havoc that sonic’s lower speeds cause right?
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCs42XSwI-c
    0:33 and he does it twice in that level, he later is chased by a truck(made by humans) so he is clearly going at least only 200-300 MPH in that level.(400 mph if I’m just over shooting it)
    And he does that at lightspeeds that city would be dead.
    I’m sure their are better examples though.

    In a Tron like world one wouldn’t have to worry about such damage.
    It was in Shadow’s game after all, though I BELIEVE that Shadow is slightly slower because his shoes greatly aid him and is more adept at chaos control because he is slightly slower.

  68. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 8:06 pm -      #68

    @ Laharl:
    ““That’s because you’re confusing super gravity with something else.” Let me guess “Game mechanics””

    Nope. In-game information and the instruction manual both mention that the Gravity Feature nullifies the effects of super/extreme gravity. By these it means “gravitational fields,” as noted in the onscreen data. The time the gravitational field is affected is when Samus is heading to Sector Zero where in one part, it is reversed gravity, causing her to walk upside down, and the next is when the gravity is increased. Then there is the battle against Nightmare.

    @ Man1cmanMario:
    “I didn’t say that was Falcon’s upper hand on the SNES version of Red Canyon. I said the SHORTCUTS are. People going at the average top rate for the BF have used said shortcuts to finish their race in 1:30 or less, and that’s WITH game restrictions.

    I already KNOW he’s about the slowest one on there; I SAID that. And this was capable on said course BEFORE X invented the new system; imagine NOW.”

    Ah. Very clever, my good Man1cmanMario. ;)

  69. theobserver April 12, 2011 at 8:30 pm -      #69

    “@theobserver: The link even said it above that, “Actions after finding a level-up item”. An item he doesn’t seem to use after, if we believe what was said, Sonic Heroes.”

    It sounds like game mechanics to me. He also had the Light dash in Sonic Adventure/Sonic Adventure 2. The level up items in Sonic DX granted abilities once Sonic reached a certain “level”. Taking game mechanics aside, this would mean that Sonic was holding back this move until a certain point where he decided to use this.

    Anyways I get the feeling there’s something lacking in my take on it, especially since I’m just going off of secondary knowledge of the matter in question. OriginalA knows more about that sort of thing so maybe he’ll fill us in on that. Although I do believe he did in at least one of the Sonic matches on the site.

    In any case, the same manual labels Sonic as “hypersonic” so he already has a massive advantage over C. Falcon and Samus going off just that.

    “He means Hyper Sonic, that legendary Super Form only available in S3&K.”

    What I meant to address in that reply was Dryn’s question regarding the numbers in post #55.

    “In-game information and the instruction manual both mention that the Gravity Feature nullifies the effects of super/extreme gravity.”

    Yes, and Zero Mission shows us that Samus can function in Zebes gravity unhindered even while in the Zero Suit. In order for her to be affected by the gravity *2 on the Bottle Ship, the normal gravity would have to be equal to that of Zebes. The gravity suit has nothing to do with it other than restoring Samus’ gravity to relatively normal levels. I get the feeling “normal levels” has something to do with normal gravity relative to what Samus is used to.

  70. Dualgunner April 12, 2011 at 9:09 pm -      #70

    I believe this has been stated time and time again, but I’ll add something else. Aside from fighting Eggman, this is basically Sonic’s LIFE here. Like Falcon, he has practically trained for this moment his whole life, just like this moment will be for the next race. His racing is like Goku’s fighting and sparring; it is great fun, but if the world, or someone else, depends on it, he won’t hesitate to go full throttle.

    This being one of those “great fun” races he’ll probably see it as, unless he’s betting Samus and Falcon five bucks behind the stage where Factpilers never see, he won’t go full throttle lightspeed unless he absolutely wants to and has to win.

    If he does go lightspeed, the canyon would not only fall apart killing everyone else due to the wind he would have just shattered going full force, he would also finish the course before it even started. I doubt he’d go that far.

    I see Sonic as more of a blue anthropomorphic animal version of Goku, really. Meaning the gag for the toons wouldn’t really be on him, it would be against a more serious racer like Falcon, who would actually take the loss seriously, as opposed to Sonic who, like Goku, would see it as a requirement to begin training to run even faster than he did before.

  71. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 9:14 pm -      #71

    @ theobserver:
    “Yes, and Zero Mission shows us that Samus can function in Zebes gravity unhindered even while in the Zero Suit. In order for her to be affected by the gravity *2 on the Bottle Ship, the normal gravity would have to be equal to that of Zebes.”

    Like I said before, Samus functions fine on the Bottle Ship without the use of the Gravity Feature. So, if the Bottle Ship has 1 g, Samus will function fine. If the Bottle Ship has 865.5 g, Samus will function fine. As I said before, the super gravity that is mentioned is referring to gravitational fields, such as the reversed and increased gravity as she is heading to Sector Zero.

  72. OriginalA April 12, 2011 at 9:28 pm -      #72

    “So, if the Bottle Ship has 1 g, Samus will function fine. If the Bottle Ship has 865.5 g, ”

    And this is where you are wrong.
    If the Bottle Ship has 865.5 g Samus will function fine.

    If the Bottle Ship has 1 g, Samus will be bouncing off of the walls at Mach 25 EVERY TIME SHE JUMPS!

    Understand that there is a huge fucking difference between 1 g and 865.5 g’s, and for Samus to be “fine” on the Bottle Ship has huge implications on what it would be like for us mere normal human beings.

    This also implies that GF military personnel are capable of surviving Zebes’s gravity, but that was also seen in the Manga anyways. It does say something about Madaline Bergman though. For a weak, brainy, scientist she should be able totally wreck any normal human from Earth.

  73. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 10:15 pm -      #73

    @ OriginalA:
    And this is where you are wrong.
    If the Bottle Ship has 865.5 g Samus will function fine.

    If the Bottle Ship has 1 g, Samus will be bouncing off of the walls at Mach 25 EVERY TIME SHE JUMPS!”

    Unless, of course, the calculations in MP are incorrect, and Yoshio Sakamoto isn’t even considering this. He wasn’t involved in the MPT, but was given only a special thanks. It was Nate Bihldorff who was writing the script for the games. So, yeah. There goes your argument.

  74. OriginalA April 12, 2011 at 10:46 pm -      #74

    I don’t know how to respond to that without trying to physically hurt you through the internet. The stupidity is just too much.

  75. Dryn April 12, 2011 at 10:51 pm -      #75

    I would reconsider what was written in MP for the mass. I’m not the only one of the notion that the aim for Zebes’ size was to be similar to Earth’s. It’s not like Nintendo was thinking about Zebes’ gravity when the numbers were written down. Maybe you can contact Nate and figure out what he was aiming for.

    Anyway, later, OriginalA. Have fun at FP.

  76. Ryushi April 13, 2011 at 3:14 am -      #76

    I personally say Sonic, but like Spark said: who’s Aya?

  77. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 3:20 am -      #77

    I have no idea who Aya is, but more to the point, I say either Speedy or Road Runner takes this. They have no definable limitations to their abilities.

  78. Laharl April 13, 2011 at 5:20 am -      #78

    “They have no definable limitations to their abilities.”
    Speed wise Supersonic does not and a certain comic sonic has not as well.
    Both can have infinite speed. Supersonic can cheat and comic sonic… is just the fastest thing alive going the speed of infinity.

  79. Cananatra April 13, 2011 at 5:51 am -      #79

    ““They have no definable limitations to their abilities.”
    Speed wise Supersonic does not and a certain comic sonic has not as well.
    Both can have infinite speed. Supersonic can cheat and comic sonic… is just the fastest thing alive going the speed of infinity.”

    Thats the thing though, the toons could order out for some infinty + 1 bird seed/ cheese and beat any physics character.

  80. man April 13, 2011 at 6:13 am -      #80

    This match will never get settled will it?

  81. AkumaTh April 13, 2011 at 2:15 pm -      #81

    @Laharl: I have played Shadow the Hedgehog, and the only time he is said to be going at light speed is when he’s in the tunnel, AKA being downloaded. (1m 50s)

    And the closest I’ve seen officially about Sonic being light speed is this, which isn’t canon for multiple reasons.

    To counter your point of him slowing down because he is in the city, in that same game he races Shadow one on one in space, where there is nothing to get in the way or be destroyed. And they’re both going at their max speed.

    Sonic will still win, but not because of something he can not do.

  82. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 2:21 pm -      #82

    “Thats the thing though, the toons could order out for some infinty + 1 bird seed/ cheese and beat any physics character.”

    Exactly, you cannot beat toon physics. Not even with toon physics, it’s just how their world works.

  83. Laharl April 13, 2011 at 6:06 pm -      #83

    “Thats the thing though, the toons could order out for some infinty + 1 bird seed/ cheese and beat any physics character.” Breaking the speed of light with mass isn’t real physics…
    “Sonic will still win, but not because of something he can not do.” why thank you for putting that there :P He still can go super sonic though and that could bring a win.

  84. Man1cmanMario April 13, 2011 at 6:42 pm -      #84

    Guys, GUYS, you’re forgetting something important in Sonic’s defense. In the games, his average run is ALOT faster than it looks. Proof: when you die during the Super Sonic stage in Sonic Adventure, Tikal’s spirit will often times say that your max speed (when the aura/flame around you turns from yellow -orangeto blue) is that of either a lightning bolt or light itself (can’t remember which, but that is beside the point). However, you appear to be going about as fast as you do when regular Sonic. I AM NOT IMPLYING SONIC IN-GAME IS LIGHTNING-FAST, AS IT IS MOSTLY ?UNKNOWN; I AM SIMPLY SAYING THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT REGULAR SONIC JUST MAY BE ALOT FASTER IN-GAME RUNNING-WISE THAN YOU GUYS ARE GIVING HIM CREDIT FOR.

  85. theobserver April 13, 2011 at 6:50 pm -      #85

    @Man1cmanMario

    Caps locks hurt the eyes, so try to tone it down next time?

    Sonic’s fastest feat is light speed, which is bounds faster than lightning, but has been officially labelled as hypersonic in terms of speed. Not that it matters though, since toon physics will screw everyone over.

  86. Man1cmanMario April 13, 2011 at 7:15 pm -      #86

    “Caps locks hurt the eyes, so try to tone it down next time?”

    Yeah, sorry, just had to keep in mind that a lot of people don’t read my posts whenever I participate in a topic (I’m often ignored when asking a question on the Smashtasm Forums, but I suddenly become the only enemy in sight when I say something “out of place”).

    “since toon physics will screw everyone over”

    lolya, you guys are probably right about that XD

  87. man April 13, 2011 at 7:18 pm -      #87

    Sincd we are going at it with toons, would it also be fair to give the other racers toon abilities, similar to Michael Jordan in the movie Space Jam?

  88. AkumaTh April 13, 2011 at 7:41 pm -      #88

    since toon physics will screw everyone over.

    You forget, Toon Physics only comes into effect when it could be funny. And what’s funny about a race being won by the participants? The only way Toon Physics could effect this is if Robotnik, Sylvester, Wile, Ridley and whoever else is an enemy to them team up in a giant rocket ship and wins the race out of nowhere.

  89. man April 13, 2011 at 7:49 pm -      #89

    “And what’s funny about a race being won by the participants? ”
    Maybe when everybody left the two toons in the dust, only to find out they finished first, holding the tapes, waiting for the others?

  90. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 7:49 pm -      #90

    Since when was there a written law for how Toon Physics works?

  91. super duper Chuck April 13, 2011 at 7:54 pm -      #91

    ” is just the fastest thing alive going the speed of infinity.”

    where can I read about comic sonic

  92. man April 13, 2011 at 7:56 pm -      #92

    @ TheSorrow
    Do you happen to know what happened to the other “The-” Factpilers? Namely, The One Sin and TheApocalypse?

    “Since when was there a written law for how Toon Physics works?”
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_physics

  93. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 8:10 pm -      #93

    “Namely, The One Sin and TheApocalypse?”

    I would not no, some people just up and leave, without explanations.

    “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_physics”

    Oh you know Wikipedia isn’t proof!

  94. theobserver April 13, 2011 at 8:13 pm -      #94

    “Maybe when everybody left the two toons in the dust, only to find out they finished first, holding the tapes, waiting for the others?”

  95. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 8:14 pm -      #95

    If Sonic could go at the speed of infinity, he would be there before the race actually started and that’s cause for disqualification.

  96. man April 13, 2011 at 8:21 pm -      #96
  97. AkumaTh April 13, 2011 at 8:23 pm -      #97

    Maybe when everybody left the two toons in the dust, only to find out they finished first, holding the tapes, waiting for the others?

    That wouldn’t be funny. That would be a disappointment. It’ll be like watching a baseball game only to find out after all that playing the other team had 100 points from the start.

    Since when was there a written law for how Toon Physics works?

    About a few decades before the laws for horror movie were. But of course a millenium after the laws of comedy were written. In short, it’s not written.

  98. man April 13, 2011 at 8:29 pm -      #98

    But in all respects, didn’t Michael(50210) Jordan and a collegue of his gain toon powers in the movie Space Jam, could that also apply here?

  99. TheSorrow April 13, 2011 at 8:32 pm -      #99

    “How about this then.
    www.mit.edu/people/jcb/humor/cartoon-physics

    That’s much better.

    “About a few decades before the laws for horror movie were. But of course a millenium after the laws of comedy were written. In short, it’s not written.’

    So… you can’t say toon physics don’t work if it’s not funny.

  100. man April 13, 2011 at 8:34 pm -      #100

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