Tripod Vs AT-ST

Making its debut on FactPile is the Tripod from War of the Worlds, up against the AT-ST from Star Wars.

While I think the AT-ST would have considerably more firepower, the Tripod would out maneuver it for the win. So, how will his match turn out?

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103 Comments on "Tripod Vs AT-ST"

  1. The_Assassin711 January 24, 2011 at 10:55 am -      #1

    First post eh? Cool.
    AT-ST would be smaller than a tripod right? (Not that that doesn’t mean it can’t still destroy it.)

  2. Mister Teal January 24, 2011 at 11:06 am -      #2
  3. Asger January 24, 2011 at 11:22 am -      #3

    Damn it’s been years since I’ve seen either War of the Worlds movies.

    Did the Tripods ever dissintegrate anything bigger then a person?

  4. The_Assassin711 January 24, 2011 at 11:31 am -      #4

    In the movie i don’t think they did but this is just off the top of my head, if anyone’s read the book too that may help.

  5. I Dunno January 24, 2011 at 11:44 am -      #5

    Do my eyes decieve me? Or is that a Tripod from War of the Worlds: Goliath?

    Well, the Tripods were capable of melting the hull of a Torpedo Ram (Thunderchild), So I’d guess that they would be able to slice up an AT-ST…

    However, the Tripods in the original book lacked anything remotely similar to shields, as far as I recall, so given the accuracy of an AT-ST’s guns (as opposed to artillery cannons in the book), I would assume that an AT-ST, provided it got the shots in first where it counts, would be able to take down a tripod.

    Also of note: Tripods were sometimes equipped with a cannon that fired a shell loaded with a poisonous Gas, although I imagine that an AT-ST would have seals to prevent that gas from being effective, still worth mentioning.

  6. w00tm0ng3r January 24, 2011 at 12:08 pm -      #6

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the original War of the Worlds written in the 1800s? If so, I somewhat doubt anything from that setting could compete with Star Wars firepower figures.

  7. Michael50210 January 24, 2011 at 12:36 pm -      #7

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the original War of the Worlds written in the 1800s?”
    I think it was in the early 1900s

  8. Belisaurius January 24, 2011 at 1:31 pm -      #8

    Wait, is this the original war of the worlds, or the new one?

    The old ones aren’t all that powerful but the new ones are about as tall as an AT-AT and eat armies.

    Then again, the original tripods could tank nukes with no apparent damage.

  9. EMOboy January 24, 2011 at 1:50 pm -      #9

    This pretty much goes to the Tripods of any of the stories, it just gets to be a stomp the more contemporary the story.

    The initial Tripods would have a reasonable fight on their hands but their weapons could rip through the armour of the dreadnoughts in the story without any difficulty or pause.

    The first movie gave then shields that allowed them to ignore 50’s style artillery and nukes.

    The latest movie allowed them to crap on contemporary military tech.

    So a loss, a stomp, a absurd stomp in that order.

  10. Taleric January 24, 2011 at 2:11 pm -      #10

    Why do I think the AT-ST in the picture has an extra leg joint?

    I agree that the Tripod will be able to tank the AT-ST’s weapons not to mention out maneuver.

  11. theobserver January 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm -      #11

    “Then it was as if an invisible yet intensely heated finger were drawn through the heather between me and the Martians, and all along a curving line beyond the sand pits the dark ground smoked and crackled”

    “Forthwith flashes of actual flame, a bright glare leaping from one to another, sprang from the scattered group of men. It was as if some invisible jet impinged upon them and flashed into white flame. It was as if each man were suddenly and momentarily turned to fire.”

    – War of the Worlds chapter 5

    The book versions aren’t too bad at all when it comes to weapons.

  12. Michael50210 January 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm -      #12

    The tripod will smash the poor At-St

    @Taleric
    Cause the high you got off that cocaine still hasn’t worn off

  13. Turtle Commando January 24, 2011 at 3:40 pm -      #13

    Think of them this way, galactic based technology or solar system based tech? I’m not much of an expert on either but don’t forget that Star Wars armor has to stand up to quite a bit.

  14. theobserver January 24, 2011 at 3:48 pm -      #14

    “I’m not much of an expert on either but don’t forget that Star Wars armor has to stand up to quite a bit.”

    Kind of depends whether we’re allowed to bring up EU feats in here. I don’t know too much about Star Wars but I know that the EU brings a sizeable punch in favor of the AT-ST. If not, then I’d side with the machines that can flash-vaporize humans with an invisible beam.

  15. Fang January 24, 2011 at 4:26 pm -      #15

    Hm, the tripod from war of the worlds easily tanked anything humans could dish out then, I’d say they win. Of course, that tech was nowhere near starwars tech but they were getting hit with missiles with no sign of damage

  16. shaun182 January 24, 2011 at 4:44 pm -      #16

    Well we know from the highest canonical source, the films that an at-st, could be destroyed from the physical impact of two large logs, which is slightly less than the ability to survive a nuclear blast.

  17. BC January 24, 2011 at 5:06 pm -      #17

    ” Did the Tripods ever dissintegrate anything bigger then a person? ”

    In the first movie the goosenecked tripods with the energy beam legs disintegrated an entire tank platoon (four tanks) with one spread shot in one scene. It may have done something bigger elsewhere in the movie but it has been a long time since i saw it so i do not remember if they did. They destroyed bunkers and things like that with the heat beam too so they are pretty powerful with either system. Also if that is the type of tripod that the AT-ST is facing then it would have to do more damage than a nuclear bomb to do anything to it which seems very unlikely, especially for a scout.

    ” Why do I think the AT-ST in the picture has an extra leg joint? ”

    It seems to be standing on the tips of its ‘toes’. I think from the stance of the thing it tripped and is on the way to a faceplant in the picture. In this case it seems kind of prophetic…. :D

    ” Think of them this way, galactic based technology or solar system based tech? I’m not much of an expert on either but don’t forget that Star Wars armor has to stand up to quite a bit. ”

    Even in star wars eu there are examples of planetbound or systembound civilizations that come up with surprisingly effective weapons so it does not really matter if it is solar or galactic.

    ” Hm, the tripod from war of the worlds easily tanked anything humans could dish out then, I’d say they win. Of course, that tech was nowhere near starwars tech but they were getting hit with missiles with no sign of damage ”

    True, in the radio show and the first movie nothing could touch the tripods and the only thing that stopped them was sloppy isolation protocols letting terran virus and bacteria in killing the crews.

    In the latest movie there was an incident where someone used some trick to destroy one or more of them if i remember correctly, though i am not sure the AT-ST would be able to take advantage of it if they could figure it out before they were destroyed (it took the hero being on the inside of one to figure out the weakness).

  18. I Dunno January 24, 2011 at 5:32 pm -      #18

    Keep in mind that in the original war of the worlds, the Tripods were very much mortal, they could be taken down by massed artillery fire.

    However, given the fact that not a great many of these shells hit, and that AT-ST’s can fire with some degree of accuracy, the need for massed fire is reduced, if not nullified.

    IMO, it depends who gets the first shot in. The heat ray would be capable of slicing through the AT-ST easily, but the AT-ST would likely be capable of hitting the Tripod with firepower far in excess of what late-nineteenth century earth could throw at it, and with far greater accuracy.

    However, I am inclined to say that the heat ray is more powerful than the blasters, but IIRC the AT-ST has some sort of explosive firing cannon or some rockets, depends, do we count Battlefront 2 stuff?

    Also, height is to be taken into consideration; the AT-ST is a lot shorter compared to a tripod, this means works both ways; The Tripod could look over potential cover for the smaller walker, but the AT-ST would be able to spot and fire at the tripod from a very long distance away.

    Unless the AT-ST can be sealed up, Black gas from the tripod could essentially be a one hit kill in an area of effect wherever it hits, provided they don’t seal the AT-ST up or have gas masks inside, of course.

    The AT-ST would also appear to be slower, and have an awkward movement that the Tripod does not (More flexible legs), the Tripod may also be faster, provided this isn’t the Jeff Wayne tripods.

    As I said, It may well come down to which walker can fire off an accurate shot first. The AT-ST is using firepower the Tripod simply is not used to dealing with, But the Heat ray is obviously overkill compared to a pair of logs.

    ….Provided that this isn’t the more “modern” tripods from adaptions that came after the original book, of course. Anything from later periods is simple overkill, as they would have energy shields.

    Given the maneuverability of the tripod and the AT-ST (Moreso in the case of the former), Terrain may not matter too much unless it was heavily mountainous, forested or in a cityscape, in which case there might be more cover.

  19. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 6:12 pm -      #19

    I’d say this really just depends on which one gets the first shot off. Do the Tripod’s weapons take a few second’s to charge or anything?

  20. Zazax January 24, 2011 at 6:18 pm -      #20

    So, wait, is this original H.G. Wells WotW? Or one of the movie versions?
    Original tripods would probably get stomped, as Victorian era artillery batteries could smash them, and two of them get destroyed by Thunder Child:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_ram
    Either of the movie versions could take the AT-ST though. Shields that tank nukes beat getting smashed by logs.
    Also, is the AT-ST airtight? Because original WotW Martians had the Black Smoke, which would potentially one-shot the AT-ST if it can get in to the pilots. Although I can’t remember if the Black Smoke canisters were fired from Tripods or from other things (can’t think of what else they could have been fired from).

  21. BC January 24, 2011 at 6:20 pm -      #21

    ” Unless the AT-ST can be sealed up, Black gas from the tripod could essentially be a one hit kill in an area of effect wherever it hits, provided they don’t seal the AT-ST up or have gas masks inside, of course. ”

    That would probably depend on whether the gas needs to be inhaled or if it is skin contact. The troopers Chewbacca yanked out of the one on endor did not have respirators but they probably had some kind of gas mask or respirator somewhere in there unless the empire is actually as incomptent as they look in the movies since the ‘windows’ were nothing but armored flaps over holes that open to see out since grenades and beehives whatnot were being thrown through them so the first attack anyone with at least half a brain would try is gas.

  22. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 6:20 pm -      #22

    Does anybody think that Stormtroopers vs Martians (Mars Attacks) would be a good match?

  23. Zazax January 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm -      #23

    “That would probably depend on whether the gas needs to be inhaled or if it is skin contact.”
    If memory serves it suffocates it’s victims, implying inhalation, although I’ll need to look further into that and see if I can find my old copy of the book…

    Also, I was totally ninja’d by I Dunno about the Black Smoke.

    But yeah, a version for the Tripod should probably be decided. Original, Jeff Wayne (pretty much the same as original, if memory serves), or one of the movies (there’s 2 I can think of). Then we can start pulling feats and armament, since I don’t recall the Black Smoke showing up in anything other than the original (don’t know if it made it into even Jeff Wayne’s version), and the movie versions all have shields.

  24. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm -      #24

    Well since it’s not specified which versions we’re using I think we should use all canon sources for the AT-ST (this includes the Expanded Universe wether the EU haters like it or not) and pick a suitable version of the Tripod to fight the AT-ST.
    OR
    Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win, we could go with the movie version of the AT-ST and the original H.G. Wells version of the Tripod.

    So which is it?

    Who even suggested this match by the way? I don’t see the name of the suggestor anywhere.

  25. BC January 24, 2011 at 6:49 pm -      #25

    ” But yeah, a version for the Tripod should probably be decided. Original, Jeff Wayne (pretty much the same as original, if memory serves), or one of the movies (there’s 2 I can think of). Then we can start pulling feats and armament, since I don’t recall the Black Smoke showing up in anything other than the original (don’t know if it made it into even Jeff Wayne’s version), and the movie versions all have shields. ”

    I seem to remember something in the latest movie about gas projectors or foggers, though i think it was some kind of knockout gas instead of the deadly black smoke. The foggers would probably not be a viable weapon against the AT-ST though unless it happened to run underneath the tripod since the clouds seemed to be very short ranged and did not extend too far beyond the legs.

  26. theobserver January 24, 2011 at 7:22 pm -      #26

    “Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win, we could go with the movie version of the AT-ST and the original H.G. Wells version of the Tripod.”

    The H.G. Wells version doesn’t seem as if it’ll be at much of a disadvantage against the non-EU version but I’d like to see what happens when you put the movie incarnations of the Tripod against the EU AT-ST’s.

  27. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 7:34 pm -      #27

    @theobserver
    Should we wait until the match suggestor (who’s not even listed by the way) says something on this?

  28. theobserver January 24, 2011 at 7:39 pm -      #28

    @NZ

    I hope so. Otherwise I’d rather not have to see a match quickly become a stomp against Star Wars simply because certain people won’t allow EU feats on here. I mean look at what happened with Noble Team vs. Boba Fett…that was just lame.

    The Tripod apparently has different feats for each incarnation which would be pretty interesting to see but if only movie canon is being used for the AT-ST then you only get a disoriented machine that got knocked over by a log by teddy bears.

  29. CIDE January 24, 2011 at 7:48 pm -      #29

    “However, given the fact that not a great many of these shells hit, and that AT-ST’s can fire with some degree of accuracy, the need for massed fire is reduced, if not nullified.”

    With what kind of range…?

    “Does anybody think that Stormtroopers vs Martians (Mars Attacks) would be a good match?”

    Probably a stomp in favor of martians. Even against armored targets their weapons were like a falsh vaporization. Why the bones remained? I don’t know.

    “Well since it’s not specified which versions we’re using I think we should use all canon sources for the AT-ST (this includes the Expanded Universe wether the EU haters like it or not) and pick a suitable version of the Tripod to fight the AT-ST.
    OR
    Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win, we could go with the movie version of the AT-ST and the original H.G. Wells version of the Tripod.”

    Considering I’m not a SW (or EU for that matter) hater but instead a fair debater I have to simply state that this is all screwy here. I do however agree a specific version and whether or not EU is included does explictly need to be stated by the OP and/or Admin for the debate to be taken any further.

  30. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 7:49 pm -      #30

    “Otherwise I’d rather not have to see a match quickly become a stomp against Star Wars simply because certain people won’t allow EU feats on here.”
    Thats exactly why EU haters don’t let EU feats in here.

    “I mean look at what happened with Noble Team vs. Boba Fett…that was just lame.”
    I know. I stopped commenting on that thread when it became an argument over Star Wars canon. Don’t worry Boba is bringing backup in that match (hint: he’s the other guy in my gravatar).

    “but if only movie canon is being used for the AT-ST then you only get a disoriented machine that got knocked over by a log by teddy bears.”
    Then this is what the EU haters will go for.

  31. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 7:57 pm -      #31

    “Probably a stomp in favor of martians.”
    What if it included all vehicles, weapons, and Stormtrooper types?

    “Why the bones remained? I don’t know.”
    Because…..there’s no bones about it? (couldn’t resist)

    “need to be stated by the OP and/or Admin for the debate to be taken any further.”
    Well the name of the OP isn’t even listed.

  32. Locutus January 24, 2011 at 8:24 pm -      #32

    “Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win”

    Actually, it’s about getting the facts. Films trump the EU.
    So sorry if Star Wars isn’t as super-powered as you want it to be. Get over it.

  33. Diarukia January 24, 2011 at 8:27 pm -      #33

    “Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win”

    This claim is not only incorrect, but it has not basis behind it at all. “EU haters” don’t exactly care whether or not the EU is used, as long as its specified, since they believe that the Star Wars Universe has two continuities. Arguing the EU is canon changes nothing, since it doesn’t solve the issue of which continuity to actually use. It’s like assuming Link or Megaman is composite at the start of ever single match, without clarification. In there eyes, making such an assumption the default has absolutely no basis behind and it is actually unfair for the opposing side because it unreasonably makes Star Wars an exception to the rule.

    Though, I digress since in light of the links brought up by Enigma, the canon question is a lot more confused than I had previously thought.

    So yeah, which versions? For some reason, I can’t see EU AT-ST taking out the movie incarnations of the tripod either. There’s a strange tendency to always assume that when EU is involved, the power of their weapons are either “sufficient” or “overkill”. Remember that this is only a scout vehicle. Also, if I recall correctly, weren’t these tripods several stories tall? If so, would the the AT-ST be able to adjust the angle of its shots to hit anything important before the Tripod either crushed it or blasted it away?

  34. Diarukia January 24, 2011 at 8:38 pm -      #34

    Actually, now that I think about it, the tripod probably isn’t going to be “crushing” anything.

  35. Zazax January 24, 2011 at 8:42 pm -      #35

    ” Also, if I recall correctly, weren’t these tripods several stories tall?”
    Yeah, every version except the hovering ones from the 80s movie tower several times the height of the AT-ST.
    Some pics to reinforce the height difference:
    From the Tom Cruise movie,
    www.war-ofthe-worlds.co.uk/images/war_worlds_spielberg_43_x.jpg
    www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/wotw//WOW160705-9.jpg?0.5555872906983659
    From the 80s movie:
    www.funwithfilms.com/images/war-of-the-worlds2.jpg
    Jeff Wanye’s,
    image.lyricspond.com/image/j/artist-jeff-wayne/album-jeff-waynes-musical-version-of-the-war-of-the-worlds/cd-cover.jpg
    Note that that one is standing in water, and is still that big.
    It’s hard to find this sort of thing for the originals, but I imagine this is probably very close,
    upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/War-of-the-worlds-tripod.jpg

    So yeah, huge size difference. Especially with the 2005 movie and Jeff Wayne versions.

  36. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 8:49 pm -      #36

    “Actually, it’s about getting the facts. Films trump the EU.
    So sorry if Star Wars isn’t as super-powered as you want it to be. Get over it.”
    Actually the EU has been stated to be canon several times. Nothing in it condradicts the films, but rather expands upon it (hence the name Expanded Universe). I never said anything about Star Wars being super powered. Get over it.

  37. Fang January 24, 2011 at 8:51 pm -      #37

    Hm, in the original book one tripod was killed by an ambush of a sh!t ton of soldiers with artillery. From then on the other tripods either a) scanned for possible ambush, or b)destroyed every possible ambush point. I can’t remember which as its been a long time since I read the book, buti think the book mentioned something about knowing the soldiers were there somehow

  38. LordSeraph January 24, 2011 at 9:05 pm -      #38

    Random Fact:
    In an interview, George Lucas said that he actually based the AT-ST’s and AT-AT’s from TRIPODS

  39. CIDE January 24, 2011 at 9:19 pm -      #39

    ““I mean look at what happened with Noble Team vs. Boba Fett…that was just lame.”
    I know. I stopped commenting on that thread when it became an argument over Star Wars canon. Don’t worry Boba is bringing backup in that match (hint: he’s the other guy in my gravatar).”

    Every SW debate comes down to that. Why? Because it is actually important.

    ““but if only movie canon is being used for the AT-ST then you only get a disoriented machine that got knocked over by a log by teddy bears.”
    Then this is what the EU haters will go for.”

    Or fair debaters that go for canonical facts…

    ““Probably a stomp in favor of martians.”
    What if it included all vehicles, weapons, and Stormtrooper types?”

    I’d so so in any ground types, yes. Space…? eehhhh…

    ““need to be stated by the OP and/or Admin for the debate to be taken any further.”
    Well the name of the OP isn’t even listed.”

    One does exist though. I was the one that was the OP for the Grid VS Matrix debate and I wasn’t listed either.

    ““Since all the EU haters ’round these parts want to always severely limit the Star Wars canon just so their side can win”

    Actually, it’s about getting the facts. Films trump the EU.
    So sorry if Star Wars isn’t as super-powered as you want it to be. Get over it.”

    This.

    “Actually the EU has been stated to be canon several times. Nothing in it condradicts the films, but rather expands upon it (hence the name Expanded Universe). I never said anything about Star Wars being super powered. Get over it.”

    It is canon; in a separate universe. And uh…plenty of things contradict the films.

    “Random Fact:
    In an interview, George Lucas said that he actually based the AT-ST’s and AT-AT’s from TRIPODS”

    awesome.

  40. Negative Zero January 24, 2011 at 9:37 pm -      #40

    “Every SW debate comes down to that. Why? Because it is actually important.”
    Well the guy that suggested it must have not thought it was important.

    “Or fair debaters that go for canonical facts…”
    EU is canon though…

    “One does exist though.”
    Mabey it’s Eric (he posted this afterall).

    “This.”
    There is no point to saying “this” to a comment you agree with. It serves no purpose which is why I don’t do it.

    “It is canon; in a separate universe.”
    Canon is canon nonetheless. If not specified shouldn’t we go with what gives us the most canon to work with?

    “And uh…plenty of things contradict the films.”
    Like what?

  41. Soldier's Shadow January 24, 2011 at 9:45 pm -      #41

    “Well the guy that suggested it must have not thought it was important.”

    Or was too lazy to specify anything…

    “Canon is canon nonetheless. If not specified shouldn’t we go with what gives us the most canon to work with?”

    Force of number has no dictation of what to go by. It’s going by what’s considered generally accepted as canon and what’s not. EU is a conflicted case as it’s contradicted by several factors and constantly argued over so that’s why it’s hard to go for what’s canon for SW at times in debates.

    “There is no point to saying “this” to a comment you agree with. It serves no purpose which is why I don’t do it.”

    Simpler and easier way to agree if there’s no reason to support an already concrete argument.

  42. CIDE January 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm -      #42

    ““Or fair debaters that go for canonical facts…”
    EU is canon though…”

    As an alternate universe. Despite what Mata stated in another thread we don’t use feats of Ultimate Wolverine for use in 616 Wolverine debates. They are technically two separate characters. In the movies? Fett died in a beast’s tummy.

    ““Every SW debate comes down to that. Why? Because it is actually important.”
    Well the guy that suggested it must have not thought it was important.”

    Most people forget things. You have in debates you posted, right?

    ““This.”
    There is no point to saying “this” to a comment you agree with. It serves no purpose which is why I don’t do it.”

    Reinforcement primarily.

    ““It is canon; in a separate universe.”
    Canon is canon nonetheless. If not specified shouldn’t we go with what gives us the most canon to work with?”

    Age of Apocalypse is canon, 616 is canon, 2099 (right number?) is canon, Ultimate is canon, but not all canon to each other.

    ““And uh…plenty of things contradict the films.”
    Like what?”

    Strength of durasteel primarily. There are others but I don’t feel like digging.

  43. Envoy January 24, 2011 at 10:21 pm -      #43

    Here’s a better question Eric, what did you use to edit the text for this match?

  44. Locutus January 24, 2011 at 11:19 pm -      #44

    “Strength of durasteel primarily. There are others but I don’t feel like digging.”

    Fett still being alive in the EU is a huge contradiction. Massive.

    “Canon is canon nonetheless. If not specified shouldn’t we go with what gives us the most canon to work with?”

    Quality > Quantity. We should always go with film canon because it is the highest form of canon and gives us the most accurate depiction of the Star Wars universe.

  45. Eric Gigliotti January 24, 2011 at 11:41 pm -      #45

    ” Why do I think the AT-ST in the picture has an extra leg joint? ”

    Original pic.

    “Who even suggested this match by the way? I don’t see the name of the suggestor anywhere.”

    This match was created by myself.

    “Here’s a better question Eric, what did you use to edit the text for this match?”

    Not sure what exactly you are asking for.
    ___________________________________________________________

    As for the question of continuities, we’ll go EU AT-ST vs first movie Tripod.

  46. Envoy January 25, 2011 at 12:25 am -      #46

    “Not sure what exactly you are asking for.”
    The program you used, if you had to download plugins, and the names of these possible plugins.

  47. Eric Gigliotti January 25, 2011 at 12:33 am -      #47

    Just Adobe Fireworks CS5. Bitsumishi font bold 25, black outer bevel of 2.

  48. BC January 25, 2011 at 2:53 am -      #48

    ” As for the question of continuities, we’ll go EU AT-ST vs first movie Tripod. ”

    The first movie tripods are my favorite :)

    Against the goosenecked tripods from the first movie I do not think the AT-ST has even a slight chance of winning, they are just too powerful with their shields, armor, and both the heat ray and the two disentegrators. All the AT-ST has is thin armor, possibly a light shield though there is not one in the specs at starwars.com, light laser cannons and grenade launchers and they are really meant as scouts and anti-infantry not anti-vehicle units. It would be like a machinegun jeep taking on an abrams mbt (and that is understating the difference considerably I think).

  49. glitched_man January 25, 2011 at 3:40 am -      #49

    I think the Tripod will win, as stated by BC, and what I have been reading through, the AT-ST is light assault vehicles. The AT-ST’s grenade launchers are very inaccurate, and the blaster turrets are weak.

  50. Zazax January 25, 2011 at 5:55 am -      #50

    ” As for the question of continuities, we’ll go EU AT-ST vs first movie Tripod. ”
    Very well. Old movie it is (and my mistake, it’s actually the 50s. Had a huge brainfart) The shields on these buggers can shrug off atomic bombs with no apparent damage.
    As for armament, they’ve got the good old Heat Ray, and those green things on the tips of their ‘wings’ are ‘skeleton beams’. Obligatory technobabble quote:
    “It neutralizes mesons somehow. They’re the atomic glue holding matter together. Cut across their lines of magnetic force and any object will simply cease to exist.”
    Apparently they use these to destroy entire cities in France, although whether it’s in one big shot or in multiple smaller ones is unknown.
    I also seem to remember there being a blast of EMP in this movie, although I can’t remember if that’s from the ‘tripods’ (invisible legs my ass) or their ships, or what.

  51. EMOboy January 25, 2011 at 6:03 am -      #51

    “but if only movie canon is being used for the AT-ST then you only get a disoriented machine that got knocked over by a log by teddy bears.”

    “Then this is what the EU haters will go for.”

    Actually when you consider SW canon the fact we get a disoriented machine that got knocked over by a log by teddy bears it does if fact piss all over whatever fan wank they put in the EU, G canon overiding all others ect.

  52. Turtle Commando January 25, 2011 at 9:27 am -      #52

    Yeah, now that I think about it all they would need is an energy deflective plating on AT-STs and they would be good, could explain the log thing… But as it stands without proof of that I would have to say that the tripod being as awesome as it is would roll over the AT-ST, the parellel I meant by galactic vs. system is this: they conquered and maintained an empire using these things, though, as I think about it it was probably by mass production, but that still does merit something, while I like it I still think the win goes to the tripod unless we can get a clear view of what the AT-ST armor is comprised of, if it’s only energy deflective plating then it would be practical in Star Wars, but still succeptable to logs and being stepped on.

  53. I Dunno January 25, 2011 at 11:44 am -      #53

    “Although I can’t remember if the Black Smoke canisters were fired from Tripods or from other things (can’t think of what else they could have been fired from).”

    The black Gas thrower was a modification the Martians either developed or deployed after they reached earth, in response to artillery batteries. When the Tripods first reached earth, they lacked the specialised guns designed to fire black gas, so at their purest form, they would not have black gas, I suppose, depends how far along in the story we are assuming they are.

    As for range, I honestly have no idea. The Heat rays could perhaps be Lasers, but the book predates lasers by decades, so the original intention of H.G Wells couldn’t have been to pass them off as laser weapons.

    As for height, can’t remember, its been ages since I read the book. But I do remember that the legs of the original tripod were somewhat more organic than the Jeff Wayne tripods (Closer to the Tom Cruise film version), so that would imply adjustable height.

  54. Turtle Commando January 25, 2011 at 11:56 am -      #54

    Good point, H.G. Wells was a visionary, technically though, a heat ray would work by sending mass IR waves to heat something up, not sure if energy deflective plating could take that, pretty sure though.

  55. BC January 25, 2011 at 1:05 pm -      #55

    The radio show had what amounted to a furnace of some kind with a focusing reflector of some sort for the heat beam. The first movie had something more like a phaser set to heat in that it apparently induced extreme heat in the target without heating up the air in between (in one scene the stream of energy from the firing head passes within inches of some trees and they are not effected at all while the target is incinerated as usual, and the same thing happens with power lines in another part).

  56. awsm January 25, 2011 at 6:20 pm -      #56

    Book versions didn’t have shields, so thats a fairer fight.

    But anything else is Invaders>>>>>>>>>ATST no problem. If ATSTs get smashed flat by swinging logs (which is the ultimate canon; movies), how is it a beam that can shoot down airplanes and blow entire bridges off of their foundation with a few shots won’t atomize the ATST?

  57. Turtle Commando January 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm -      #57

    Well awsm the thing is, in Star Wars they don’t get the threat of swinging logs alot, all they have to contend with is energy based weapons. With that being the case they could just swap conventional armor for an energy dispersing material and they would be set. I need to do some research on this though, because it could trump the tripod’s weapons with that kind of armor.

  58. Zazax January 25, 2011 at 9:33 pm -      #58

    ” I need to do some research on this though, because it could trump the tripod’s weapons with that kind of armor.”
    Provided they do in fact have this standard-issue (which I kind of doubt. It’s a scout vehicle for god’s sake), and that we’re using the 50’s movie Tripods, the Tripod still has its ‘skeleton beams’ if the Heat Ray doesn’t work. Given how the skeleton beams work, I can’t see any sort of armour ‘trumping’ that.

  59. BC January 26, 2011 at 4:25 am -      #59

    ” Given how the skeleton beams work, I can’t see any sort of armour ‘trumping’ that. ”

    Some kind of field stabilized armor like the nx enterprise used might, though I do not recall any mention of that kind of thing in star wars where they do not face disintegrators very often, if at all.

  60. EMOboy January 26, 2011 at 4:42 am -      #60

    “With that being the case they could just swap conventional armor for an energy dispersing material and they would be set. I need to do some research on this though, because it could trump the tripod’s weapons with that kind of armor.”

    “If they refit with stuff that will let them win, they will win” is not really a acceptable argument unless we see them do it in G canon.

  61. Michael50210 January 26, 2011 at 12:20 pm -      #61

    ” Given how the skeleton beams work, I can’t see any sort of armour ‘trumping’ that. ”

    I’d list what possibly could, but I feel too lazy.

    “If they refit with stuff that will let them win, they will win” is not really a acceptable argument unless we see them do it in G canon.”

    MC would have won a lot more fights if that had been the case

  62. Turtle Commando January 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm -      #62

    @EMOboy
    You’re quote was me talking about the the AT-ST in it’s own universe, not the refit =win arguement, don’t take it out of context.
    But no, upon further research I have found it is just durasteel plating with substantial fore and aft plating but little on the sides, explains the ewok-tree thing but not how well it would stand up to a tripod which I would guess is poorly.

  63. EMOboy January 26, 2011 at 3:25 pm -      #63

    @Turtle Commando

    “But no, upon further research I have found it is just durasteel plating with substantial fore and aft plating but little on the sides, explains the ewok-tree thing but not how well it would stand up to a tripod which I would guess is poorly.”

    You may wanna check the source as the front plating gets obliterated as the sides crush in, however due to the design and impact angle the sides get dented but remain reasonably intact.

    img194.imageshack.us/img194/9783/atstpwned.jpg

  64. Turtle Commando January 26, 2011 at 3:35 pm -      #64

    Well, isn’t that just hilarious, the source had the sides wrong… that or the movie guys f’d it up(most likely) but considering movies are the highest canon that makes it the valid point, so, SIDES are thick, not front and back!

  65. EMOboy January 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm -      #65

    “Well, isn’t that just hilarious, the source had the sides wrong… that or the movie guys f’d it up(most likely) but considering movies are the highest canon that makes it the valid point, so, SIDES are thick, not front and back!”

    The angle and type of impact defines the damage distribution and as such the sides need not be think as they would be crushed in as we see thin or thick, it does cast doubts structurally however as you can bet if those logs hit either side of a modern APC the guys inside would just get a bit of ear ache and shook up, and a tank crew would hardly notice.

    Anyway we can see how thick the sides are and well lets just say id not wanna be in it while getting fired at with modern standard infantry weaponry let alone anything substantial.

  66. Turtle Commando January 26, 2011 at 4:09 pm -      #66

    Yeah, I never thought that the AT-ST would make it out of this, but you need the facts, if had turned out the armor plating was ultra thin energy-deflective it would have been a plausible solution for surviving and a good reason for the empire to field them, as it stands, these things just suck pretty badly apparently.

  67. EMOboy January 26, 2011 at 4:20 pm -      #67

    “Yeah, I never thought that the AT-ST would make it out of this, but you need the facts, if had turned out the armor plating was ultra thin energy-deflective it would have been a plausible solution for surviving and a good reason for the empire to field them, as it stands, these things just suck pretty badly apparently.”

    Any armoured vehicle that does not have the ability to protect its occupants from KE as well as DET is a poor one, mainly as even a DET weapons energy when imparted into even a nearby mundane object will cause a explosion and as such substantial KE impact.

    Then there is the fact that any enemy with a brain cell will have and use either KE weapons or DET weapons to screw you as soon as they know what armour you are using.

    They shoulda used Chobham armour they would have pwned.

  68. Turtle Commando January 26, 2011 at 4:53 pm -      #68

    What’s chobham? I recognize the name but I can’t put my finger on exactly where.

  69. w00tm0ng3r January 26, 2011 at 6:22 pm -      #69

    Chobham is the composite armor used by the M1 Abrams and Challenger series tanks. Frankly, you don’t even need Chobham armor to withstand a swinging log… This site, www.st-v-sw.net/STSWATST.html, estimates that it takes at most 2.1 megajoules and more probably 1.2 megajoules delivered across a face 1.5 meters in diameter. Even WW2 era Tiger tanks were slinging around 3 megajoules per shot, and on a face 88mm in diameter, and they hardly had perfect penetration, especially against heavy Russian tanks.

  70. awsm January 26, 2011 at 8:12 pm -      #70

    the primary reason that Wars wins so many fights on this site is because no one understands what is actually canon in Wars. Or at least ultimate canon.

    Movies, TV shows or the movie novels all trump all other forms of canon. For example, the durasteel plating on Star Destroyers in the novel of Empire states that the nickle-iron asteroids could pulverize the Star Destoyer fleet, hence why the Captain of the ship (and the guy talking at the time) is afraid of them.

    For perspective, the UNSC–aka, one of the WEAKEST factions on this site–uses tungsten for their MAC shells. I’m not positive on this, but I believe tungsten is denser then iron and nickle combined. It most certainly is stronger then either of those alone. And these roids were traveling at slow speeds compared to the speeds of the MAC shells (though the ships were probably moving fast. Either way, in the movie you see a Star Destroyer bridge get blown into sparkling chunks by a direct impact with one)

    In that regard, the WEAKEST faction could one shot a Star Destoyer (provided the shields were out of course) and any other ship using durasteel.

    You need to realise that all of the rediculous shit that states durasteel is 300,000X stronger then steel and the Destroyers can one shot continents is done almost exclusively by FANS. Sure it gets published, but really what doesn’t nowadays?

    Lucas himself even admited that a lot of it out there is fannon, and not apart of his Star Wars. Its his Star Wars (which is the absolute ultimate canon), the licensed universe (games and such) and then the fan universe (the small mini books that are fun to read but you never hear much about.)

    They are completely unrelated to each other. The only legitimate way to use the continent blasting super beams fans like to wank too is if you use the fannon universe of Wars, not the actual canon universe.

    And if you look at the scene where the Rebel ship (called the medical frigate in the games) is shooting at the Star Destroyer and the Destroyer shooting back in Episode 6, you notice that all of the explosions are small in size, no bigger then that of a house. Impressive in their own right–we can’t put that kind of stuff on machine guns nowadays–but truley not that impressive in relation to other universes.

    Its a small scene that you probably didn’t notice. The primary focus was a group of X-Wings getting chased by a group of various TIEs. It wasn’t focusing on the ship battle. I’d pay closer attention to the Battle of Endor; a lot of what happens in the background seriously trumps what fans wank too.

    As I’ve always said, Wars weapons are impressive only in the rate of fire they can shoot and the truck load of them that cover their ship. Else wise, in terms of raw power, they simply don’t have it.

    The only exception to this is when the Corellien starship shotguns that Star Destroyer in the background (at about the same time when Ackbar orders the entire fleet to gang up on the Executor, you see a Destoyer seem to spontaniously combust in the distance.)

    It happens so fast you don’t even see the laser blast unless you already know its there. But this is the only time where the power of a Wars ship even remotely resembles what the fans say happens.

    Now I don’t mean to generalize all fans into one group–hell, now that I know the truth behind Wars canon I can enjoy the movies with respect again, so I guess I myself am a fan again–but a lot of the overpowered shit in Wars doesn’t ACTUALLY exist as far as the highest canon is concerned.

    Thus, this fight between the ATST and the Tripod is an utter stomp. A better fight would be the AT-AT.

  71. CIDE January 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm -      #71

    ““If they refit with stuff that will let them win, they will win” is not really a acceptable argument unless we see them do it in G canon.”

    MC would have won a lot more fights if that had been the case”

    Technically, all the fights should be revisited.

    “Chobham is the composite armor used by the M1 Abrams and Challenger series tanks. Frankly, you don’t even need Chobham armor to withstand a swinging log… This site, www.st-v-sw.net/STSWATST.html, estimates that it takes at most 2.1 megajoules and more probably 1.2 megajoules delivered across a face 1.5 meters in diameter. Even WW2 era Tiger tanks were slinging around 3 megajoules per shot, and on a face 88mm in diameter, and they hardly had perfect penetration, especially against heavy Russian tanks.”

    The MRAP armor is even better than Chobham too. I can’t disclose what it’s composed of (seriously, not allowed) but it’s badass.

  72. Inarto January 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm -      #72

    “In that regard, the WEAKEST faction could one shot a Star Destoyer (provided the shields were out of course) and any other ship using durasteel.”
    Lets ignore the fact that ships in star wars make use of shields
    “And if you look at the scene where the Rebel ship (called the medical frigate in the games) is shooting at the Star Destroyer and the Destroyer shooting back in Episode 6, you notice that all of the explosions are small in size, no bigger then that of a house. Impressive in their own right–we can’t put that kind of stuff on machine guns nowadays–but truley not that impressive in relation to other universes ”
    Once again you ignore the fact that star wars ships have shields
    “the licensed universe (games and such) and then the fan universe (the small mini books that are fun to read but you never hear much about.)”
    Bullshit. Maybe you should actually read the definition of C-canon
    “Next we have what we call continuity “C” canon which is pretty much everything else from the EU.”
    blogs.starwars.com/holocron/4
    Or a more in depth explanation
    “”…continuity “C” canon which is pretty much everything else. ” By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames, trading card games, roleplaying games, toys, websites, television. As I’ve mentioned earlier, any contradictions that arise are dealt on a case-by-case.”
    forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=2760&tstart=0
    pg 139 10th post from the bottom
    “which category (C or G) the Incredible Cross-sections, Visual Dictionary and the Inside the Worlds belongs?

    Theses books are treated no differently than any other books; anything created by the author would be C-level. I would guess that 95% of the text info in those books is created by the author or is based on information created by another author other than George Lucas.”
    forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=2660&tstart=0
    pg 134 8th post from the bottom

  73. Zervziel January 27, 2011 at 2:59 am -      #73

    We need a new rule: no trying to pick one type of canon to use to the exclusivity of all others. The movie canon for SW may be the highest but it’s also been said many time that unless the EU canon explicitly contradicts events in the movie canon, that it too is accepted canon.

    Either way I personally think the AT-ST loses this outright against the more modern interpretations of the Tripods and even against the older version it’ may lose do to the phenomenally stupid design choice of having the main way to visually track their prey is to leave these two hatches wide open. Screw that incredibly strong material known as transparisteel, we’ll just eyeball out prey the old fashioned way.

    Even if the AT-ST’s light armor had some crazy heat resistance to make up for being thin enough to be crushed by trees (too be fair those logs were pretty huge compared to the AT-ST’s head and were moving at a pretty fast rate of speed and we don’t even know how dense the tree is) the backblast from the heat rays coming through the open windowports would be more than enough to deep fry the pilots. Though too be honest the martians wouldn’t even have to go for a head shot as the machine’s balance gyroscope system is unarmored and is vulnerable enough that Rebel Sniper can occasionally hit them in this one sweet spot too bring the whole thing toppling down.

  74. EMOboy January 27, 2011 at 5:48 am -      #74

    “We need a new rule: no trying to pick one type of canon to use to the exclusivity of all others. The movie canon for SW may be the highest but it’s also been said many time that unless the EU canon explicitly contradicts events in the movie canon, that it too is accepted canon.”

    Meaning that any debate will now become all about what is or is not a contradiction with some pointing out that we never see 200 gigawank shots or super-strong armour ect ever along with pointing out that most if not all other C canon has contradictions to such figures, and the ICS apologist’s claiming magical disappearing energy and materials/armour that soaks up all those gigawanks to no visible effect along with dismissing all the other c canon examples.

    Stick to G canon its more honest as well as the fact it allows people to calculate yields ect from the same material and focuses the debate ON material only rather than it turning into a canon/non-canon argument.

  75. Diarukia January 27, 2011 at 7:24 am -      #75

    “We need a new rule: no trying to pick one type of canon to use to the exclusivity of all others. The movie canon for SW may be the highest but it’s also been said many time that unless the EU canon explicitly contradicts events in the movie canon, that it too is accepted canon.”

    If we go with what Lucas has “explicitly stated”, then this isn’t the whole story. Movie canon is highest form of canon in the Film+EU continuity. Movie canon is the ONLY canon in the Film-only continuity. Again, two continuities- the only question is which continuity to use.

  76. Turtle Commando January 27, 2011 at 7:39 am -      #76

    Now I’m just going tripod for the win now,but I wonder what a tank plated in graphene would be able to sustand?
    Graphene is one atom thick carbon in a honeycomb lattice, in this form it is the best room temperature conductor known to man, and 200 times stronger than steel, when the sheet is large it is very stable, smaller sheets like the ones found in pencil graphite falke apart easily.

  77. CIDE January 27, 2011 at 8:40 am -      #77

    “We need a new rule: no trying to pick one type of canon to use to the exclusivity of all others. The movie canon for SW may be the highest but it’s also been said many time that unless the EU canon explicitly contradicts events in the movie canon, that it too is accepted canon.”

    As it was posted in other debates from interviews from EVERY person in charge…? As an alternate reality.

    “If we go with what Lucas has “explicitly stated”, then this isn’t the whole story. Movie canon is highest form of canon in the Film+EU continuity. Movie canon is the ONLY canon in the Film-only continuity. Again, two continuities- the only question is which continuity to use.”

    Said it better than I did.

  78. Negative Zero January 27, 2011 at 8:16 pm -      #78

    Tripod could win just because of it’s huge size. Tripod vs AT-AT would have been better.

  79. NemoVonUtopia January 27, 2011 at 9:34 pm -      #79

    If it is an alternate reality, why not use that one?

    For example, Boba Fett of the movies doesn’t do much but lurk and look cool. Pretty much all possible feats of SW come from EU.

  80. Locutus January 28, 2011 at 2:58 am -      #80

    “If it is an alternate reality, why not use that one?
    For example, Boba Fett of the movies doesn’t do much but lurk and look cool. Pretty much all possible feats of SW come from EU.”

    We should deal with the “real” Star Wars, and not an alternate reality made for fans.
    Again, quality > quantity.

  81. BC January 28, 2011 at 3:07 am -      #81

    It really is not the bulk of the SW EU that is the problem, just the way out numbers in a few of the books (ICS is a good example) that do not fit with the movies or much else.

  82. EMOboy January 28, 2011 at 6:03 am -      #82

    “It really is not the bulk of the SW EU that is the problem, just the way out numbers in a few of the books (ICS is a good example) that do not fit with the movies or much else.”

    True, although i found some of the force wanking ruined my enjoyment of a lot of the EU, the emperor having force lightning ect at the end of ROTJ was cool and a nice supprise ability that was a good bit of movie making.

    Even in the prequals i thought the fucked up yoda by having him fight enemies with a sabre rather than giving him a more passive but more effective high level skill, him soaking up force lightning was a nice touch though.

  83. Turtle Commando January 28, 2011 at 7:18 am -      #83

    Yay, YODA!!! I love that little guy!

  84. idiotscampaigninc January 29, 2011 at 6:03 pm -      #84

    Damn, i get back to the pile after a long time only to see that i cannot say anything in this match that hasn’t already been said.

    But I do now want a Tripod (the Spielburg one) vs a Scarab from Halo. Despite the Spielburg one being my least favourite, it’s the only one i can see having a chance against the Scarabs gun without it being a total stomp.

  85. WaffleTosser January 29, 2011 at 11:37 pm -      #85

    “But I do now want a Tripod (the Spielburg one) vs a Scarab from Halo. Despite the Spielburg one being my least favourite, it’s the only one i can see having a chance against the Scarabs gun without it being a total stomp.”

    Tripod Stomps, they took like full salvo of Hellfire missiles, a scarab died to a pelican.

  86. awsm January 30, 2011 at 12:08 pm -      #86

    But I do now want a Tripod (the Spielburg one) vs a Scarab from Halo. Despite the Spielburg one being my least favourite, it’s the only one i can see having a chance against the Scarabs gun without it being a total stomp.”

    Tripod Stomps, they took like full salvo of Hellfire missiles, a scarab died to a pelican”

    To be fair, it was the entire mass of the pelican, but either way. The Tripod is just superior to the Scarab.

    Consider the Tripod’s shields have never been shown to collapse before. If they’re like the Swans from the 1950s movie, the Tripods can get a nuke dropped on them and survive. I don’t think the Scarab has a chance against the Invaders.

  87. Paramedic January 31, 2011 at 1:08 am -      #87

    Yeah but if you replace the main cannon on the scarab with a supersoaker 19,000,000, then that tripod is EFFED! lol j/k but seriously, I loved and hated that about War of the Worlds, it’s truly an awesome realistic feature about that franchise that is pure amazing.

    Germs and biological creatures take down a species who’s nearly wiped out humanity.

    I won’t go on about it for very long, but I truly do admire that prospect of thinking on the writiers part. H.G. Wells I believe?

    I face problems like that every day. I don’t mean to go off about my work but I am a Paramedic with my AS degree in EMS, and an EDRN and I work at ORMC as an RN with my bachelor’s, I love soldiers to DEATH they are my HEROES but a soldier one time told me I should get out of my ‘sissy briches’ and get a real job.

    LOLOLOL

    If he could only fathom the nightmares I have faced and still face every day on so many levels.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying in any way my job is more important than a soldiers.

    I was just taken back.

    And NO, this fine gentlemen was not joking around with me.

    As far as sissy briches goes, I am 6’3″ 310 lbs been in martial arts for 19 years, and some various personal defense tactics from other means. But enough about my ranting…. sorry too off topic.

    The Pelican… I think it may have made the legs slide off the cliff, but I could be wrong. It seriously looked like it gave that scarab a hell of a bad day though.

    @awsm
    So those were hellfire missiles? I was wondering what type of missiles were used and what the choppers were that carried them. (hughies right?) check my spelling on that too it may be wrong.

  88. Paramedic January 31, 2011 at 1:11 am -      #88

    Correction to above statement:

    “I am a Paramedic with my AS degree in EMS, and an EDRN with my bachelor’s at ORMC in the ER and/or floor that needs me that day/night.”

    I don’t have THREE jobs lol. Sorry for the typo.

  89. Turtle Commando February 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm -      #89

    Well with the pelican that was a fairly decent sized aircraft flying at a decent clip. It ws quite the force immpartec into one of the joints behind the laser head.

  90. Turtle Commando February 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm -      #90

    Sorry, typos
    was not ws
    imparted not immpatec

  91. Thor February 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm -      #91

    Tripods have a lot more powerful weaponry and force fields that don’t deplete. Tripods win.

  92. Sauroposeidon June 30, 2011 at 11:04 pm -      #92

    Shields are non-canon, Thor. You’re right about the Tripod heat ray being much more powerful, though… seeing as the best example we have of this is it instantly piercing Thunder Child completely through, which was a torpedo ram ironclad.

  93. Zazax June 30, 2011 at 11:57 pm -      #93

    “Shields are non-canon, Thor.”
    That would depend on which version of the Tripod is being used, which I can’t remember was ever specified. Regardless, even the weakest Tripod, the original one, can one-shot the AT-ST with the Black Smoke. Heat Ray I’m not sure of.

  94. chuckforest July 1, 2011 at 12:17 am -      #94

    Well the Tom Cruise ones have shields…

    But any of the tripods could win.

  95. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2011 at 1:44 am -      #95

    I only know of two movie versions which use shields. The canon versions do not have shields, and the current incarnation version (from Goliath) I don’t think have shields either.

    The Black Smoke would definitely be an issue for the AT-ST depending on what the crew has, the fight may be over before it begins. The heat ray carves an iron clad up like it was wet tissue paper, so I’m pretty sure an AT-ST couldn’t stop it. I just wanted to clarify that they don’t normally have shields. This seems to be a common misconception due to the two more well known movies.

  96. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2011 at 4:34 pm -      #96

    Also, just read Eric’s bit about using the first movie tripods. Didn’t those things tank a frickin’ H-Bomb? Or am I thinking of the radio version?

  97. TheSorrow July 1, 2011 at 4:49 pm -      #97

    “Didn’t those things tank a frickin’ H-Bomb? Or am I thinking of the radio version?”

    The radio version came out in 1938, the Atomic Bomb wasn’t even invented yet.

  98. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2011 at 5:10 pm -      #98

    Then that must be the movie version I’m thinking of. I know there’s an old version of these things that they tried to nuke once… only for it to fail like everything else, of course. If it’s the first movie version then I don’t see how the AT-ST can even hurt it.

  99. Sauroposeidon July 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm -      #99

    Aaand just a quick wiki of the movie does make it clear that the version Eric wants in this fight does in fact tank nukes.. AT-ST is boned, hard. This goes from who shoots first to a total curb stomp in the Tripod’s favor.

    I nominate the Tripod for a factpile award.

  100. TheSorrow July 1, 2011 at 5:34 pm -      #100

    “AT-ST is boned, hard. This goes from who shoots first to a total curb stomp in the Tripod’s favor.

    I nominate the Tripod for a factpile award.”

    I concur. I also nominate the Tripod for a Factpile Award.

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