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WAY overdue is another Capture the Flag match, but here we are…
The scenario is on a desolate city on Earth.
Each character can be killed and has 3 respawns.
Which side wins?
CTF: Samus, Fett, MC, Iron Man Vs Nukem, Hale, Snake & Vader
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I can tell you who is NOT going to win: Master Chief, Duke, Solid Snake, And Fett.
My bad, didn’t read the description. It’s not a fight but instead a match of Capture the Flag.
That should be pretty interesting.
“I can tell you who is NOT going to win: Master Chief, Duke, Solid Snake, And Fett.”
…Boba doesn’t belong on your list regardless
Other than Vader, Samus could one shot all of them. They only have 3 respawns so, Samus could wipe out almost all of the other team. That would make the match very easy for Team 1.
Iron Man speed-blitz’s. Seriously, this is ridiculously stacked in Team 1′s favour, for Iron Man alone. Giving them Fett and Samus is just over-kill.
BUT MASTER CHEF (instead of chief) WITH THE SPLAZZORS!!!
Doesn’t Hale have a kind of “point and you die” kind of ability? I haven’t played Resistance 2. I should though; I enjoyed the first game. Even if it take multiple elements (including similar names) to another FPS that I thought deserved fame a lot more. -shrug- oh well.
Iron Man’s advantage is flight during all this. Until I see some other numbers on weapons output I’m not going to believe Samus one-shots him either. Doesn’t stop Vader from crushing him like a tin can though.
Snake’s only real advantage is stealth here and that’s only if somehow the others don’t spot him. Some pretty advanced sensor technology on team 1′s side; he’s probably useless. Master Chief and Duke are equally useless during this competition.
Disregarding PIS I can’t think of any reason Vader shouldn’t be able to do to Fett what he’d do to Iron Man thus ending that one right quick as well.
Does Samus have any defense against Force or telekinetic type attacks? Especially since it’d likely disregard her shields and armor in the event she lacks any proper defenses.
-shrug-
At least three of team 1 can one-shot kill three members of team 2. It doesn’t help when Fett has a couple of ways to negate some of Vaders powers via sonic grenades and sonic beam weapon (Although in a straight fight it wouldn’t be so easy methinks…). However, this is a game of strategy, so… I’m fairly undedeided.
Considering mention of Vader’s abilities reaching light years away and the recent portrayal in FU2 trailers going against multiple targets I don’t find it hard to believe that he takes this one from a distance. All before he casually walks over to the flag and plucks it from its resting place.
I’m still waiting to see on what kind of defenses Samus might have against TK/Force attacks.
“Considering mention of Vader’s abilities reaching light years away and the recent portrayal in FU2 trailers going against multiple targets I don’t find it hard to believe that he takes this one from a distance.”
I agree for the most part… but to be fair, Vader requires a visual on someone in order to rape people from those crazy distances. He did so to Prince Xizor only because of the hologram projection the Faleen was using to talk to Papa Palpa.
Well… this is unbelievably stacked in Team 1′s favor…
Alright, so Vader wouldn’t just end the entirety of the match at the beginning in the setting given. Just have tall, dark, and gaspy play defense by the flag though is all you need.
It appears as though people aren’t reading the posts and how epic-fail team 1 actually is….
Two highly experienced bouty hunters, A super genius from Marvel universe, and a cyborg trained since childood in military tactics. Strategy wise I think team one has this. That said Vader is used to commanding an army plus he and Hale have some dangerous mind powers.
I’m leaning towards Team Awesome Armor. For now.
“Seriously, this is ridiculously stacked in Team 1′s favour, for Iron Man alone. Giving them Fett and Samus is just over-kill.”
This.
“I’m leaning towards Team Awesome Armor. For now.”
This as well
The question is if Vader can take on Fett, Iron Man, and Samus at the same time. Because those three can one-shot the rest of team 2.
“The question is if Vader can take on Fett, Iron Man, and Samus at the same time. Because those three can one-shot the rest of team 2.”
Indeed they can. As for Vader maybe force lightning or force choke. I’d be inclined to say the latter but I don’t know how good he is with it. I know Malak was capable of doing it to multiple foes…
“The question is if Vader can take on Fett, Iron Man, and Samus at the same time. Because those three can one-shot the rest of team 2.”
Well, I know Fett can at least keep him from the force using a sonic grenade… does anybody know for certain if a disruptor beam can be deflected by a lightsaber? I know the modified DXR-6 is capable of bypassing energy/force fields, but… meh. Vader’s precog is a big factor here.
Oh, and… I’m not positive if Vader can target more than one foe with is telekinisis, but I’m inclined to say yes. At least, I think I remember straging several Wookies with one go… oh, and I believe he threw more than one object at Luke simultaneously in ESB, but I’ll have to re-watch the scene.
Question still stands about Hale. What exactly can he do? I’ve had second-hand information and that’s about the extent of it. Not including his obvious physical enhancements. That much I know about; even if I don’t know exactly how fast or strong or durable he is.
Vader is incapable of force lightning without outside help. His cybernetic body prevents this. It’s something of a non-factor though as he could bypass most defenses anyway. This doesn’t mean he can’t deal with Samus and Iron Man and Master Chief easily.
Ugh… excuse the triple, I feel like crap.
“At least, I think I remember strangling several Wookies with one go while playing the Force Unleashed…”
Fix’d.
Regardless of what Vader can or cannot do this match is clearly balanced towards Team Armour.
Is it too soon to call for an award?
Could Vader block any of Samus’ beams with a Lightsaber. All I know is it multi-Terawatt range and all I know about that is that its a highly absurd amount of energy.
Oh and now that you mention The Force Unleashed, godamnit(!), Vader is slow.
I’m thinking that with the extra targets, Samus’s Wave Beam would have a more likely chance of hitting Vader and causing massive damage.
One of the greatest weaknesses of Vader is the fact that his life support equipment can fail if too much electricity is passed through it. And we all know just how rediculously powerful Samus’s weapons are and the Wave Beam is funcky electricity.
I will ask again. Is it too soon to declare a victory?
“Could Vader block any of Samus’ beams with a Lightsaber.”
-shrug-
I’m going to say yes. In Dark Empire, Luke was able to deflect an AT-AT cannon burst with his lightsaber. It’s been theorized that a lightsaber could deflect something as powerful as a turbolaser, so as long as the beam isn’t larger than the person wielding said lightsaber.
So, what’s stopping Vader from one-shotting Samus as well?
Why has the question about Hale gone unanswered?
Vader hasn’t been shown to one-shot people through the Force, and his lightsaber is a sword in a gun fight. He has to close distance against a supersonic speedster that can drop bombs that will flash vaporize humans.
She has a lot of weapons, and far more range (aside from Vader’s TK) than Vader does.
One on one is still mostly up in the air, but with Boba giving her back up, she can get openings to land attacks on Vader.
“as long as the beam isn’t larger than the person wielding said lightsaber.”
Samus’s stacked beam is a 6 foot wall of energy that spins around itself. Touching any part of it with either burn, freeze, eletricute, and just plain hurt all at once. Her Diffusion Missiles also have a large area of effect for flash freezing targets, and we know that Metroidverse cryo attacks are all ranging in the “near absolute zero” range as the most ineffective freezing weapon in the series (Judicator) is identified as such and the Ice Beam and Ice Missions (except MP3:C version) all freeze more consistantly than that one. … I suppose that could be argued to just better transfering thermal energy away from a target though, but it is still near 0K.
“So, what’s stopping Vader from one-shotting Samus as well?”
Nothing really, save for the other targets around. Meh.
“Why has the question about Hale gone unanswered?”
Really, all I know about the guy is that he can mess things up with his mind. I’m curious if armor is a factor with him… or if his powers bypass those issues. I’m also wondering if some of Boba’s equipment could negate his link to his powers as well.
It just occured to me… not only could a sonic grenade keep Vader occupied, but it may also screw with his life support system or any other electronics caught in the vicinity… hmm.
“I’m going to say yes. In Dark Empire, Luke was able to deflect an AT-AT cannon burst with his lightsaber. It’s been theorized that a lightsaber could deflect something as powerful as a turbolaser, so as long as the beam isn’t larger than the person wielding said lightsaber.”
With wide beam, Samus’ beams would be larger than Vader.
“Vader hasn’t been shown to one-shot people through the Force, and his lightsaber is a sword in a gun fight. He has to close distance against a supersonic speedster that can drop bombs that will flash vaporize humans.”
-shrug-
Snapping one’s windpipe or causing somebody to litterally implode sounds like an instant kill to me… but I do agree with you. Bounty hunter tag-team for teh win!!
Just out of curiosity though… do we have an exact output for power bombs? I know from the Other M they can vaporize human flesh in an instant, but materials like durasteel have been shown to withstand against thermal detonators, which as we all know vaporize people with pretty much the same ease. Not that either one of the bombs could flash-fry Vader from the inside out (?), I’m just curious…
Vader’s durability is pretty incredible. Not just in the substance of his armor but any kind of force induced protection. In the FU2 trailers alone he survives attacks that 1: vaporize storm troopers armor and all and 2: would’ve pulverized a person’s insides to cause nearly instant death. In both instances hard armor wouldn’t have been enough.
Also, more information on Hale. Without that all I can see for Team 2′s defense is Vader.
Though, he can one-shot people with the force. He just can’t do it against fellow force users as they can at least fight back against it. Anyone without TK protection though is royally fucked.
“Vader’s durability is pretty incredible. Not just in the substance of his armor but any kind of force induced protection. In the FU2 trailers alone he survives attacks that 1: vaporize storm troopers armor and all and 2: would’ve pulverized a person’s insides to cause nearly instant death. In both instances hard armor wouldn’t have been enough.”
…Whoa. That’s pretty damned brutal, haha. Not that I don’t believe you, but might I see some links perhaps?
I have no low end estimate for you (being the minimum to flash vaporize an unprotected human). Adam does say that a Power Bomb’s heat wave cannot be obstructed with common materials… Then again, how common is Durasteel in the Metroidverse. An inprovable claim in either direction for that one for how those two will react with each other. And then Vader’s Force abilities to absorb energy. *shrug* A Power Bomb probably won’t do him in, but I wasn’t counting on it either. The rest of Team 2 has explosed heads though; they’re dead if they are in range of one of those bad boys.
Since people are blatantly ignoring the question I’m assuming no one knows of Hale’s “point and you die” ability doesn’t matter here at all.
Also, digging up those links for you Who?. They’re pretty epic.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=59-AyD2za1g&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T1Cn8wx48c&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBV769wV_w
There ya go Who?.
Thanks CIDE! Dude, I can’t wait for this freaking game…
Anyway, I can’t really find much on Hale… but here’s a video that dimenstrates some of his “force” powers:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Y7sykw4o4
Kind of beefy… but… meh.
@Original
Ah, well, I figured I might as well ask… thanks anyway, haha!
Thanks for the video.
So, how is it anyone other than Vader would have defense against a power like that?
Hale’s ability look like it acts like a shotgun of whatever it is he uses to make them explode so I guess putting him by the flag would be a good defense. Then again it seems he does have to point a his target, the problem with that Ironman=mach8 & Samus= supersonic
Given Vader’s lack of speed and abilities we’d probably need both Hale and Vader at the flag. At least for versatility Vader could use his abilities to detect Iron Man’s and Samus’ arrival and at least slow them down or hold them in place.
Send Snake and Duke on the suicide mission to try to take the other team’s flag. Let them get slaughtered.
Generally being out of range or too fast to track is about all Team 1 can muster against it. Considering each member of Team 1 has weapons that could easily overkill him with a headshot and have either range or speed, I don’t see how that ability will be too much to handle in a broken down cityscape with plenty of sniper positions.
That is another thing to consider. Samus’s weapons pass through terrain allowing for sneak attacks. Team 1 is far more mobile by having 3/4ths of its members able to fly. Vader is the only real threat.
I see this CTF becoming a blood bath. Boba Fett as Team 1′s flag guard and Vader the same for Team 2. Iron Man and Samus blitz for the flag, while the two badass normals and the metahuman from Team 2 make a move to Team 1′s flag. Fett uses his jump pack, enhanced visuals, and expansive load out to punish the three flag grabbers from random points in broken buildings where he holds the advantages and picks them off before, or shortly after they get the flag.
Vader, pre-cog and all Force, stops Team 1′s blitz cold; more or less… maybe they grab one flag.
With Vader on offense, Team 2 could pretty much stide in and grab the flag as need be; MK Walker style.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MKWalker
This opens up Team 2′s flag however and Team 1 has more speedsters so Team 1 could rack up more flag grabs than Team 2.
…
Ofcourse, that assumes the match ends after a number of flag grabs or time limit. If respawns are the only limiting factor then… well then it is a deathmatch anyways.
“Thanks for the video.”
No prob!
“So, how is it anyone other than Vader would have defense against a power like that?”
I’ll have to look into it more.
On a side note, being that this takes place at a run-down city and that Hale lacks Vader’s uncanny ability to sense things around him (or precog for that matter), there’s no reason to suggest that team armor’s more tatical/stealthly players won’t be able to take Hale down unaware. Samus and Iron Man could speed blitz Hale before he can bring his considerable powers to bear, Fett can snipe him at 300 meters away on top of a building, and Chief could possibly stay low in some rubble and take him out from behind.
-shrug-
I don’t know, haha.
Still, I wouldn’t doubt that a successful sonic grenade could screw both of the force users over pretty good…
I have a feeling regardless of the outcome a lot of people are going to be perma-dead.
Damn my grammar sucks.
Nukem and Hale can one shot most of team 1. Have you seen Nukem’s weapons? Sorry to point this out Admin, but i meant infected Nathan Hale when i requested it, and the name doesn’t show that. Hale’s picture shows that as well.
The thing for team 2 is Snake. He may be the only member on either team who can’t one shot about everyone on the opposing side, but he’s their flag capture man. Iron Man and Samus both have extremely advanced stuff, but i don’t think they have something which is able to track Snake. Chief is the only one who is truly able to completely deal with Snake, although i think Fett might be able to take care of him. Remember the map, this is a desolate city. This is not advantage team 1 for the map.
I love both sides, but i think some people are just going: SUPER ARMOUR SUITS! AUTOMATIC WIN!
snake vs Fett my fanboyism can’t decide, but I think Hale makes this an easy win for team 2…
I don’t think Snake has anything that could hurt Fett. Even his various missile launchers and rail gun would likely fail against the armor he wears.
As much of a Metal Gear fanboy I am, Snake’s only hope against Boba Fett is… umm… is… well… umm…
…Evasion perhaps? Even then, Boba’s sophisticated equipment would more than likely pick Snake up.
…I don’t have to go over Boba Fett’s armor again, do I? I know a great deal on Samus’ shields too I suppose, but OriginalA has taken over the site as the Metroid champ; he could explain bettah.
… I guess my comment was taken as not knowing Boba would annihilate Snake, which he would undoubtedly I just don’t know which one I like more…
No way brute force is taking this battle in favor of Team 2. It’d all be on their psi abilities and the ability to either destroy or bypass armor/shields.
Really, I was only concerned with whether or not Samus had defense against such assaults. I guess I can ask the same thing for Iron Man as well. I’m not away of any systems set up for defense against psi but given his extended experience against it it may have happened at one point.
…well MC fights aliens and doesn’t afraid of anything…
@ZomB
Oh… my bad, haha. I don’t know about you… but I think they both are badasses to the highest caliber. I grew up with Boba Fett myself, so he will always be my top hero… but Snake is definately up there.. same with Samus. And Vader… well, he IS one of the top five cinema villains ever created (right up there with The Wicked Witch of the West and Jaws in my opinion), so he obviously needs props too, haha.
“Really, I was only concerned with whether or not Samus had defense against such assaults. I guess I can ask the same thing for Iron Man as well. I’m not away of any systems set up for defense against psi but given his extended experience against it it may have happened at one point.”
Meh,I doubt anyone on team one has armor that specificly protects against against PSI, but I know Samus and Boba Fett have shields that higly dampen the concussive effects from the results of most attacks like that… however, they won’t help PSI attacks that bypass armor and shields to snap one’s windpipe, if that’s what you mean.
Yeah, Pretty much. Based on the video I’m not sure Hale could do the same thing (bypass armor). I didn’t see anything get shot out but it was a pretty low quality video. It looked more like “Hand twitches and the target falls apart” kind of thing.
@CIDE
That kind of puzzled me too… to be honest, I couldn’t really tell what the base effects of Hales attacks were, I just saw his enemys just sort of… crumble apart in a bloody fashion, haha.
@Phenonemis
Samus has an X-ray visor last time I checked. Duke’s weapons as awesome as they are still need to be aimed which is hard considering how fast everyone on team 1 is. Also armor is a good thing the only person on team 2 who realize that is vader.
Armor doesn’t really help Snake out much for what he’s good at; stealth. Even if it would be wise for him to get some kind of upgrade. PIS prevents Snake from getting something like a Crysys Nanosuit considering they have the technology for it in his universe.
Regardless of weapons Duke is probably out first.
@Who?:
The twisted logic that I could imagine someone pulling out of their ass:
Dr Manhattan and Nathan Hale did the same thing so Hale automatically gets the same powers!
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet…
@CIDE
OF COURSE!! It all makes sense now… Hale IS Dr. Manhattan. So now, no matter how many times Samus or Fett disintegrate Hale, Hale WILL always return… without losing a life!! Team 2 for teh win!
-ahem-
Anyway, yeah, I’m surprised too. That tactic is very popular around here, haha.
hmmm….interesting in this scenario team 1 has iron man capable of flying supersonic,therefore if vader goes down iron man should win the match for team 1.
if Vader goes down then team 1 wins by default, really. Hale is powerful but his abilities aren’t understood enough. If it’s just a shockwave or if he really is powerful enough to just dismantle someone on a cellular level to do what we saw in that video.
I would think option number 2 given they just fell apart rather than got shot backwards. Gravity did all the work where if it was a shockwave they’d be shot backwards.
Just my .02.
isn’t that right……….who?
Samus’ shields have protected against incorporeal damage and the like before. The attacks of the incorporeal Chozo ghosts and possession from an Ing’s ‘energy’ form, both of which pass through walls.
It’s speculation to some degree, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they could defend against psychic attacks. The force is something different altogether of course. If it is indeed a universal force, you’d need to be incorporeal yourself to defend from it.
@JoshMcFace
indeed.
@Cj
“isn’t that right……….who?”
If this is just capture the flag all it should take is ironman hitting mach 8 at the flag with the rest of team acting as a distraction. Though If this were a team death match I could see vader being a big psychic throat crushing problem.
@who?
exactly!!
@cide
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FViZ8cZXo
lol just kidding
People went team 1, team 2, man this is cool. And interesting.
OK, considering it all, perhaps Duke wasn’t the best choice, as he gets Rofl stomped unless he hides and acts as a sniper. And we know Duke aint gonna do that.
I would think Chief would be the solid defense choice, with Hale being the same for the opposition. Chief is a better battlefield strategist than his squadmates, although they are all genuises. Chief is faster than all of Team 2 and Fett. He also has some very well ranged weapons and better eyesight. And a tracker, just for Snake. and Snake is gonna be Team 2′s stealth offense, with Duke and Vader being the powerhouses. Vader is gonna be pretty kickass. Iron Man and Samus are gonna super speed it, but methinks they gonna lose a life fast thanks to Vader. and Hale. Fett and Vader are gonna be the team’s all-rounders. Fast enough to keep a battle going. Strong defenders. Fast if necessary (Vader can run fast, Battlefront 2 anyone?). Efficient attackers.
For the purpose of it not being a TDM, i’m gonna put it as 3 captures.
So far, you’ve produced two very kickass matches (that I’m aware of anyway) Phenonemis. Cudos.
“So far, you’ve produced two very kickass matches (that I’m aware of anyway) Phenonemis. Cudos.”
I concur.
Not to nitpick either but I believe it’s ‘kudos’ if we’re to believe the name of the granola bars.
I can see John dieing quickly…
Anyways, part from having Vader, it would been a total curbstomp on Team 2. Maybe with the controlled fire of Saums, Boba and Fett could stop Vader, but hes only got to think of you and your dead so they’ll have to act quick.
@CIDE
You are correct… however…
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cudos
Now… Kudos all around!!
2.bp.blogspot.com/_mIDZud_St2s/STgHHRIO6gI/AAAAAAAAABc/_OMQQ5RlJMM/s320/Kudos50.jpg
Hmm… it just occured to me. Everybody on team one has fought eachother at one point or another on FactPile.
Did they? I don’t recall a Samus vs Iron man debate.
www.factpile.com/samus-aran-vs-ironman/
Plus they were on several tag-team matches and at least on other capture the flag… but yep.
Samus has also fought everyone on Team 2 except Nathan Hale.
I’m fairly certain da Chief has fought everybody on team two…
It was mentioned in the Vader Vs Samus debate that Vader can mess with multiple targets at once. If that’s true having him posted at defense would likely ensure a victory. Mach 8 isn’t anything either when force users can yank TIE’s out of the air.
“It was mentioned in the Vader Vs Samus debate that Vader can mess with multiple targets at once. If that’s true having him posted at defense would likely ensure a victory. Mach 8 isn’t anything either when force users can yank TIE’s out of the air.”
Still, Vader’s battle precog isn’t omniscient. With a group of four very intelligent tanks capable of complex stratigies on the same team with at least one capable of negating Vader’s connection to the force (Fett), I don’t think the deal is quite sealed yet…
-shrug-
But I agree placing him as the flag guard would make thing far more difficult for Team One.
I think MC, Duke, and Snake would be the first 3 to die.
@Who?
Do you go to ZeldaDungeon.com? Theres a guy there with the EXACT same username as yours.
That’s why I was thinking the entirety of team 2 play defense until the attacking force ran out or respawns. Duke is fodder and a distraction, Snake sitting pretty somewhere as a sniper (and distraction), with Hale and Vader blowing things up with their mind.
Yes, those three would be the first ones to die. Iron Man wouldn’t be much longer lived either since he’d be crushed into a tiny spec suit and all by Vader. Not sure about Hale but based on visuals alone it looks like he could deal with Stark’s soft squishy bits beneath anyway.
@N-Z
Haha, no. Perhaps there was a time I was a member, but I’m only known as Who? at the ‘Pile.
@CIDE
While I’m sure Vader could crush Stark with ease, I’m not so sure about Nathan having the same luck… he could very well defeat Iron Man, but methinks Tony blitzes Hale before he knows what hit him. Same goes with Samus. Then there’s the question of Hale’s range… if by the off chance he discovers a sniper in position taking his/her shot at him, would he be capable of fighting back if it were say… 300 meters away?
@Who?
Well the internet is a big place. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were 20 other Negative Zeros on other websites.
@N-Z
Yeah, that’s true… I wonder how many Matapiojos there are, haha.
“I wonder how many Matapiojos there are, haha.”
Not sure. Matapiojo sounds like a pretty unique name. My username is actually based on an inside joke.
“My username is actually based on an inside joke.”
An inside joke eh?
<..>
…Cool. Interesting. Interestingly cool even.
…Yep.
-ahem-
Inside joke…
As far as I know, I am the only krazycrismore. Partially because Crismore is my last name.
Ugh… it won’t let me make it look like I’m looking from side-to-side.
Building off of Who?’s point that Vader’s pre-cog isn’t omniscient, how the hell would he expect a 6 foot wall of rotating death flying at him from the an undamaged wall? Wave Beam’s obstical bypass ability means Samus is extremely lethal in an urban setting because she can shoot you and you cannot shoot her. I’m willing to bet that Samus can use this, and team work, to pull off at least one flag grab. Remember this Beam is going to be frying Vader’s life support as well as freezing him for a few seconds assuming it hits him without him setting up some sort of Force based defenses, and as we all know the Force takes considerable concentration, so I doubt Vader would start of concentrating about absorbing the attack constantly while he waits for a flag grab attempt.
If he puts too much effort into countering Samus’s attack then Fett might be able to hit him with a Sonic Grenade, which apperently will temporarilly really mess Vader up to the point that Fett + Sammy or the Man O’Iron could potentially cause him to respawn.
I don’t know enough about Iron Man to say much about him.
Putting the Chief up in a building with a sniper rifle above the Flag would be a fairly good defence against anyone that isn’t Vader. Remember the Chief is also a skilled stealth operative even in full armor. Not as skilled as Snake, but the Chief on defense means he only has to keep his eye on the Flag, not look out for snipers.
And assuming Team 2 can snag the flag away from Team Armored’s base, they still have to run it back to their base. As long as Fett, or either of the supersonic blitzers are free, the Team 2 flag runner(s) will be hard pressed to make it back alive. That means that whoever isn’t flag running for Team 2 is going to have to suppress their counterpart as well as an additional member of Team 1. But Team 1′s offense can either ignore or bull rush past most everybody here.
I think for snaging the flag, Team 2′s best bet is still Vader, but he must stay home because otherwise Team 1 will win via more flag grabs per minute. Now Snake has a fair chance of grabbing the flag even if it is guarded, but it takes time. If Duke runs in as bait and distracts the guard, Snake can grab the flag. Snake passes it to Hale who then tries to make it home. Once within Vader’s sphere of power projection that flag is good as taken.
But to get home requires getting past Samus, Iron Man, and Fett, who all can travel faster than Hale and fly. The Chief is going to radio in as soon as Duke makes his first move. Once Duke either dies or kills Chief, he radios Team 1′s members with an update. So within seconds we have the three deadliest members of Team 1 on the hunt, and two of them do this kind of thing for a living; it is where their skills work best. Fett would be roof hopping and while that doesn’t put him too much faster than Hale on foot (Fett has to conserve fuel supplies so no lengthy burns for him till he has a target) Fett will have a much better view. Once he sees Hale… BANG, Disrupter through the head. Hale would have to spot Fett during one of his jumps to get the best look at him, and if Fett is jumping then he has probably already taken a good look around.
Iron Man can fly around like an idiot and being a huge target… but he does it so fast nobody but Vader could really do anything about it. He’s a very fast scout if Team 1′s flag is taken. Once Hale is spotted, call it in and support Samus and Boba.
Samus can scout well on foot (other M confirms she can turn during speed booster… not too super well but more than enough to make a 90 degree turn down a residential, four way intersection). She can also scout from the air (and still turn during speed booster if you mix-mash and ignore some game mechanics). She can scout through walls (X-Ray Visor). Once the target is seen, take cover and blast away while he figures out why the hell the wall just started to shoot at him.
While I can imagin Team 1 pulling off at least one flag grab. I have a hard time seeing Team 2 getting a flag grab without Vader doing all of the work, and if he does Team 1 can outrun him back and forth between flag grabs and eventually win via Capturing The Flag.
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Underground options, if available, might… maybe be a game changer for Team 2 though. It would greatly offset Iron Man and Fett’s flight advantages. Though is might provide a false sense of security from Samus. Team 2′s flag runner would just be walking through the sewer / subway only to have the ceiling shoot at them. Or find Iron Man flying at them with no place to dodge to… maybe; depends on his manuverability at high speeds. Any confrontation underground would heavily favor Samus and Hale though. Samus because of Wave Beam/X-Ray + her experience in caverns. Hale because he would not longer have to aim his insta-gib ability; just point forward: it is where the enemy will always be. Snake could also use underground ways well, but this would just be for misdirection purposes.
I think Team 1 would mostly not use any underground passage due to their flight advantage. It is just something they would want to make use of unless Team 2 forces them underground by snagging T1′s flag and going under.
@Who?
The inside joke is last year in high school(my Junior year)I was in Algebra and my teacher Mrs.Carter talking about negative numbers and the number zero a lot. I wasn’t paying attention as usual (I was watching the clock and cracking jokes with my friend Jacob). So she called on me to answer a question. I decided to be a smartass and said “Uhhh…..negative zero?”. EVERYBODY laughed(at my expense)and my friend Ronnie called me negative zero for weeks after that.
@Original
Another awe inspiring post, haha. Even with El-Dubya an’ the rest of the Triumvirate missing, it warms my heart knowing that you still mess ‘em up ‘n take their names here in the same intelligent fashion.
@N-Z
Hahaha! That’s pretty freaking hilarious brohan-Solo. You graduat’n soon pard?
“@N-Z
Hahaha! That’s pretty freaking hilarious brohan-Solo.”
I did feel pretty stupid afterward but at least I got a username out of it.
“You graduat’n soon pard?”
Its kind of iffy right now. I’ve barely been passing as it is. I need 7 more credits. I can get those but the REAL problem is getting math credits(I suck at algebra). I have to stay after school in my algebra class for 2 hours every day(except wensday)for toturing. When I do graduate I’m 70% sure I’m gonna scream “You can all kiss my ass!!! I beat your stupid school!!!!”, as soon as I get that diploma. I will then proceed to promply run out of the school in an orderly fashion.
@N-Z
Well, don’t give up pard. As long as you can envision it in your head, you will make it. Plus, the internet spans wide with incredible information. There are plenty of sites you can utilize if you’re having some trouble with algebra. You do whatever you need to do, but I’m root’n fer ya pard.
@Who?
Thanks. I’ll let you get back to the debate.
You’re welcome dude, later.
…Is there much more to say here?
@Who?
…No there isn’t… Original pretty much aid everything, although since I don’t think there is any underground usage, Team 2 will lose. The thing I see though, using Original’s post, is that Vader will jus be sort of waiting, than discover his entire team just got annhilated, at which point…I don’t know, Fett will imcapacitate him with a sonic bomb and Ironman and Sammy will asplode him. Also, couldn’t Samus’ Sonic Boom (MP2) have the same effect?
“Team 2′s flag runner would just be walking through the sewer / subway only to have the ceiling shoot at them.”
I can just imagine his face-
“Tehe they’ll never find me down he- AW SNAP!”
The final word, for this page.
Does MC have any weapons or tricks that might be able to help Team 1?
Can he make any traps to…. trap members of Team 2?