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Wow. I cannot believe this is the first time Toothless has appeared on FactPile! And facing off against a much larger opponent, Eragon‘s dragon, Saphira.
Needless to say, Toothless will be able to fly himself.
Looking at this match, it seems the Night Fury, Toothless, outclasses Saphira greatly in speed. However, Saphira’s greater strength, stamina, and magic seems to put her at an advantage.
What say you?
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havn’t seen the movie with toothless
eragon was a disappointment
honestly someone’s probably going to say something about saphira from the books making her win.
btw the books WERE good (better than the movie)
“btw the books WERE good”
Pfftt…If you want good books, look no farther than David Gemmell. Read one of them, then compare it to Paolini. You’ll think that Paolini is a 1st grader and see how childish his plot is.
““btw the books WERE good”
Pfftt…If you want good books, look no farther than David Gemmell. Read one of them, then compare it to Paolini. You’ll think that Paolini is a 1st grader and see how childish his plot is.”
It seems i made it unclear-i was comparing the books to the movie.
though really if i want a book i go with Dan Brown
Back on topic here, just how durable is Saphira?
Yeah, Saphira has trained extensively in aerial combat with other Dragons. Her fire I believe can melt metal in only a couple seconds. Her jaws and teeth rip clean through steel armor.
Deathwing swoops in an rapes/kills Saphira, so toothless wins.
“just how durable is Saphira?”
Well, it all depends. Saphira wears dwarven armor during battles. So I’m not sure she gets this. On one hand, Saphira doesn’t wear it at all times. On the other hand, she always wears it during battles. I believe she gets it because they always get a little time to prepare.
Sorry to take this off topic again but
“though really if i want a book i go with Dan Brown”
You’ve derided the flu in favor of having smallpox…
saphira can fly across a country of several hundred miles in two days, without rest i believe, and she is actually very fast, just not nearly as agile as toothless, but she is also smarter, despite the fact that toothless is pretty bright, he is still just an animal.
toothless has no teeth…
okay both pictures show smiles what is this a tooth and white contest?
I go by Saphira’s smile because she has teeth.
Both were gay movie but I would have to go with saphira,
*she has awesome fire breathe
*she can fly ridiculously fast
*and her rider, Eregon has lots off magic and the most pimptastic sword ever, brisinger
Don’t the fireballs that toothless create normally result explosion?
@Laharl
Actually, toothless does have teeth, he just has the ability to retract his teeth.
“he just has the ability to retract his teeth.” Did it ever become useful?
as much as i like saphira, i dont think she can survive too many of toothless’ exploding blue fireballs.
Toothless fighting
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7-SNuTCjs0&feature=fvst
At 0:45 Toothless blasts a tower or something like that
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEdJqOOj5ag
cant find anything else for toothless
not looking for saphira because, im rooting for toothless anyway
Movie Saphira, or book Saphira?
I’m for toothless 100%. I like Saphira, and I know she’s awesome at air combat, but some dragons just don’t handle like space fighters.
I don’t know anything about toothless apart from what i just watched in the youtube clip, but i’m gonna go with Saphira.
Since the third book came out she can breath fire for minutes at a time without losing intensity. She’s bigger ( and stronger ) than in the movie, and the old one said he believed she was as good an aerial fighter as any dragon he had ever seen.
Also, if Saphira get’s armour then i’m gonna argue that she gets wards as well. There is no way Eragon would waste half an hour or so on putting armour on her when it would take less than a minute to whisper a bit of magic that could do twice as good a job.
This point will get shot down in a second, but it’s worth mentioning. If Saphira is close to dying, and the time is just right, she’ll be able to pull off some magic that will probably turn Toothless into a diamond.
I have to go with Saphira on this one…book outlined her abilities very very well. Faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable than toothless.
“Movie Saphira, or book Saphira?”
It is almost always the latest incarnations. Hence, book Saphira.
I don’t know but Toothless was known best for its speed (I don’t remember clearly but I think Toothless made loud boom noises right before it attacked a building [breaking sound barrier?]) and its relentless blue fiery attacks.
Saphira is probably a smarter dragon than toothless though so the win might go to Saphira.
Toothless doesn’t really have much going for him so I’m giving it to saphira
@18
You don’t break the rule of “no outside help” much more than by having somebody else cast a magic spell on you directly before the battle. That is completely unfair.
There’s a difference between standard equipment and magic buffs. Just because her rider tends to cast magic to help both of them does not mean that in an isolated battle between dragons that she should get it.
This is strictly a battle between dragons, no magic unless it comes from the dragons themselves
@Cpt Olimar
Well…the magic in the wards is exactly like putting on a piece of armour before a battle, seeing as they aren’t powered continually and they can be cast using Saphira’s own strength anyway. As you may note in my post i knew that that point was going to be shot down. In a way i was arguing that Saphira shouldn’t get armour. Saphira can’t put the armour on herself, so as you said, Dragons vs Dragons
Saphira has atleast twice the length and perhaps four times the weight of Toothless.
Toothless displays a disturbing vulnerability to fire while Saphira can lick molten rock with no ill effect.
@Beli
One of Toothless’s wings is fake/artificil. Thats why he can be harmed by fire.
If their riders were factored in, then Saphira would almost undoubtedly take this thanks to Eragon’s magic. Without Eragon in this battle, with no magic attacks or wards to help Saphira, this could probably go either way.
Explosions would probably hurt Saphira quite a bit. Her wings in particular are vulnerable, not being particularly tough and capable of being shredded by common arrows and spears. A single well-placed attack could render her unable to support herself in the air, and without Eragon, she wouldn’t be able to quickly and efficiently heal.
I’m going for Toothless here, mostly because I hate Saphira and would love to see her meet someone who could kick her ass in aerial combat and take that ego of hers down a few pegs.
BTW, Saphira isn’t as skilled as any dragon. Oromis only said that she had a high degree of natural talent and was “as naturally suited to the air” as any dragon he’d seen. Skill wise, Saphira is still learning, to a degree. She’s less than a year old, after all.
In the beginning when Toothless was attacking the vikings he was too fast for anyone to be able to be hit by anything until the main character created some sort of long range artillery portable catapult like thing that shot a sling and was able to get him.
If Saphira is slow enough to get hit by spears or arrows then speedwise Toothless takes this by far.
I don’t what kind of fire Saphira has, flamethrower or fireball? But either way I believe it would be just fire so I think Toothless’ blue flaming ball explosion would be much stronger than it..
Two things Toothless is better at than Saphira.
saphira usually does flamethrower type fire, but she can shoot fireballs, but they don’t explode on impact. saphira is far more viscious and violent than toothless, and is powerful enough to take him down if she can just get a hit on him.
Hmmm… big powerful lumbering beastie or superfast supernimble beastie… with supersonic exploding fireballs???
This is Junkers Ju 88 (Saphira) vs the Supermarine Spitfire Mk1 all over again.
Toothless for the win.
Angelus comes in and destroys them both.
I saw both movies, but Toothless kicked hyper @$$ in the end. Youtube the last fight scene. He takes on the Leviathan of all dragons and uses strength, tact, and ingenuity to kill it. Saphira, in her last fight (movie*) was mortally wounded until Eragon healed her.
Edge: Toothless
*I would relate to the 3rd book, but i haven’t read it in years. I remember it surprised me though*
Actually Toothless will fall hopelessly in love with Saphira and there’ll be no battle
This one goes to saphira in my opinion, toothless may be fast, but saphira is also quite fast and far stronger and bigger. Toothless could get some hits in, but I doubt he could inflict anything major before saphira rips him to shreds.
“Movie Saphira, or book Saphira?”
The movie will never be used unless specifically stated. It falls along a different line (I’ll go so far as to say completely different story lines).
Another thing to add is Saphira’s fire may not explode, but it is hot. For the Agaeti Blodhren, Saphira took a large stone, and melted it (she had to be careful not to fully melt it) with her fire. She then used her tongue to sculpt it.
And while she may only be 2 years old, Saphira is ancient in her thoughts. Her egg was laid hundreds of years ago, and she waited in there until she came across Eragon. So she knows patience, she is very wise, and is definitely capable of out thinking Toothless.
Its actualy stated in the movie that all dragons spit acid, though its never explained. The dragons of toothless’ world are fireproof, some melt through stone and iron with their firebreath. The final dragon lives in a volcano Toothless proceeds to blow holes in its wings regardless. It has also been shown that they had a limit to how many fire blasts they can put out before running dry. Toothless hasn’t run dry on screen, but has only used 11 in one day.
i don’t think you are adding that fact that the blue fireball may be PLASMA BOLT which may be near as good as a Bolo’s Hellbore is many times as powerful as an laser of the same energe level by the way
the other thing is that in the movie Toothless seem to have a range much longer then the kind of fire saphire has, it is like putting two man in a field a mile apart and giving one a m-16 and the other 50 ca. sniper rife, just think who do you think is going to win
i also did not add how much faster a night fury is then the saphira
i saw that someone said toothless was only a smart animal but in the movie he show signs of being sentient so tell me I STRONGLY DISAGEE but i do not say he is or may be as smart as you or i or he is not sentient in the same way as you or i am
Hi, BOLO HECTOR I have read the bolo series so i know what you are talking about and it is a good thought, it is at least one to think of ,oh have you read any books by David Weber but the ones in the Bolo series, but back on topic /I am very in the idea that the outcome is controlled by the playing field
hey if you’ve read the bolo books then who do you think would win bolo hector or bolo hank ans andrew
Because you asked for my opinion, here it is. You can cut me down all you want but this is how I interpret the two stories involved:
Saphira all the way.
The only advantage Toothless has over Saphira is his agility (size: clearly Saphira; strength: near the end of HTTYD Toothless cannot break un-enchanted chains, Saphira cannot break chains early in the first Eragon book but later tells Eragon through their psychic connection “I am not so easily bound by chains”, so Saphira as long as we’re not talking about her as a baby; speed: many people have argued that Toothless is faster than Saphira, but despite supposedly being capable of breaking the sound barrier he is barely able to outfly the “queen bee” at the end of HTTYD, and Paolini complements Saphira’s speed numerous times throughout the book, so Saphira there too; fire: later discussed; magic: worst-case scenario for Saphira is a tie because the only magic that is clearly exhibited in HTTYD is that which enables Toothless to reach acceleration/deceleration quantifications much too extreme for the wings he possesses, while Saphira would likely be able to use magic if she were overpowered/near death). The supposed battle between the two would conclusively be very dependent on timing. If Toothless attempts a close-range “physical” attack on Saphira, he would be killed very quickly, as his strength is no match, he’s not very large, and he is lacking compared to her in terms of claws/talons/horns/spikes. More likely he would attempt to win with fireballs, but HTTYD suggests that all dragons have “shot limits”, Toothless never exhibits a lack of a “shot limit”, and Saphira’s battles with Thorn indicate that the dragons of Alagaësia are invulnerable to their type of fire which is arguably more destructive than that of the dragons of HTTYD. Indeed, the nature of Toothless’s strengths and weaknesses would tend toward a completely fire-oriented battle. However, though Toothless obviously has much better fire-breathing range; as previously argued a fireball from him would merely punch a hole in Saphira’s wing if it harmed her at all (Saphira’s wings could be vulnerable to fire but the rest of her body can’t not be fireproof, and it’s possible that Toothless won’t discover that he needs to aim for her wings until it’s too late) whereas contacting Saphira’s flame would most likely vaporize Toothless, or if he is invulnerable to her fire as some suggest it would render him flightless by burning his artificial horizontal stabilizer (then, depending on his altitude he may be killed on impact with Earth or would be a sitting duck for Saphira on the ground as she can obviously fly faster than he can run and can probably outrun him as well, given her size, and Toothless cannot repair his artificial horizontal stabilizer without “outside help” from Hiccup). Paolini doesn’t specify a maximum range for Saphira’s flame, but it would have to be at least four feet to satisfy his descriptions of what she does with it, the first time she breathes fire it’s described as a “great plume of flame” and is improved during her training with Glaedr, and in the movie she can clearly shoot it far enough (at least 30 feet) for the purpose of this argument (it’s not inconceivable that Paolini had roughly the same in mind).
In summary, a battle between Saphira and Toothless would probably play out something like this, and the variations argued above on the relationship between their strengths and weaknesses would result in the same outcome: Saphira and Toothless breath fire at each other; Toothless’ fireball hits Saphira (because HTTYD states that the fireballs of “Night Furies” “never miss”) but doesn’t harm her; Saphira’s flame doesn’t harm Toothless but vaporizes his artificial horizontal stabilizer. Toothless cannot fly; Saphira takes to the air. Toothless continues shooting fireballs at Saphira; Saphira pounces on Toothless, cuts off his head, and eats him (she seems fond of eating her prey in the books).
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you forgat how much range toothless show in the movie and that is not all in any form of dark are night in is as good smoke or better and in night he is problem the best dragon to have
1. he can’t be see in the night no matter how good you eyes are
2. he has the range on any other type of fire as well as fire power( i bet you the blue fire balls are plasma bolts, which no armor could take, if it helps read ”Bolo Rising” one of the best bolo books, Hector in it, his a Mk XXXIII, the last and best bolo with 3 200cm hellbores a very big howitzs(i not sure if it is a 240 or bigger or if more) 10 or20 20cm hellbores 10 or 20 40-50cm BL mortars Heary VLS missile system …sorry i get carried away but to the point a hellbore is a type of plasma gun design for starships and far more powerful to any weopen of the same energe level, bolos us the a lot the kill ship in space
3. the fact the something the size of the Red Death does not mean that toothless is slow for if you watch the movie the two dragons with the best wing to body are the Night Fury and the Red Death, i know i know what that big fat thing but i know i did the math and my dad work with things like the JSF, F-22, but mostly protos so before you say it you also need to know how at the hight they were at they were much faster then saphira at the same level
4. saphira is the only one or at least one of the last were toothless is not tey many not show but the fact that may of the other dragons in the dragon book does not mean toothless in the only one and if not then that mean the night furies are doing something right.
5. as i said before it is like putting two man in a field a mile apart then giving one a M16 or M4 no no i should give Saphia better it more like a Kriss super v, its a 45. or better a beowolf, then the other man a sniper rifle probly a 50. or 40.cal. and the just the think five power vs range come on if Saphira could get in range but that i likely as a pig flighing even with toy rockest
Hi, guy that likes both
i love saphira but i also like toothlless a lot and that thought of going aganst any of them makes me well how should i put it but sad or dr,,, never mind here i go
1.TL the fact that toothless seem to have the great fire power
1SA saphira for the most part has the brains
2. TL but toothless as BOLO HECTOR part it is no aminal he learn too fast way too fast, not ever some human could have get that for one when hiccu was drawing in the sand that it was a drawing, think a dragon that may never have any face to face with human and the thing they do including drawing of any kind.
2. SA though saphira has if not the speed the long range flight which mean she could came in from a range the he may never see
but all in all the fact that toothless has the fire range i think is the kicker, saphire would find it hard just to see he, or keep up with him for at least long enough to shake her, and that he could play a battle of move and move lelfy and righty she couldn’t get close and he just shoot till she was a pile of ash the he,ld probably just eat the ash
if you can,t shoot back you dead man that is a fact of war
i like were your going first claw i always do we think alike but in this case i think Toothless has a close in tool that may mean death for Saphira
that Toothless has claws too, he claws are the hook kind the ones that get under the scales a ripin to the skin like paper , and if to make it worse for her her has those nice big scales that would mske it so much easlier and that in a fight was a nightmire Toothless throw it off him,,, if you did not see the other dragon get air, and the things the nighmires can do are near the same as what Saphira can do and near the same size differents or at least close , so if it was as bigger then Toothless a it was then night furies must by very very strong , could you throw some one near 2x yours size
but Saphira is very big but still fast and has longer armes ro leds or whatever
but night furies are black or near black and would be easier to see in the day were blue is not much better then
trust me it is easly to see a big blue thing in a green woodlend or rocky mountain or in in the there sky were big white clouds now in a clear sky thats different
Guys, SLOW DOWN ON THE TYPING!!! I support that Toothless has a very good chance of winning, but your possibly good ideas are being muddled by the run-on sentences and the poor grammar.
Toothless also knows how to aim for the wings, so I’d predict he’d do something similar to Saphira as he did to the “Queen Bee.”
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that is good idea that fact that it burned the wing s of the Green Death when the dragons in HTTYD are support to be at least strong against fire on the outside
so BOLO HECTOR what do you think?
sorry Master Claw Miran i did not start sooner.
i don’t like Toothless , i didn,t think he as the kind of stan that Saphire has, i am also not in to how small he is
i think if he could kill or hart her in the early part of the battle ,but if it is a long one Toothless is a dead dragon, now a Shadow Fury like Kinderind or Sword
but they are fan made breed
i think you may have thing
that new way of fight instand of just hitting her from range add new problems to the fight, i never thought of that good idea Aelfinn very good with that toothless could hit her badly from max range then move for the kill, oh man i can,t believe i didn’t of that, is just like old sailship tac! blood me
the ships some time try to hurt the other ship badly enought then move in close and shot their sail and the man on the deck with graip and chains
then they are free to do early anything they like board, move to half range and sink it with cannen, or leave then in the middle of no were, its easier to count what they can’t do
I’ve lost track. Who does the edge go to now? I’ve already said that Toothless will win, but I just want to see by how much he will win.
Oh, and Aelfinn is right. You aren’t on a time limit. Type for a better quality, not quantity. No one wants to read “safra woudld kl draggn toothles fire rox!!1!one!!11″ Other than that, someone please tell me who’s winning. Future thanks!
~A Random Guy~
I think this battle would be impossible without outside help, as Toothless can’t fly without Hiccup riding him and adjusting his fake tail thing. As shown several times in the movie, Toothless crashes when he tries to fly on his own because he can’t steer with his damaged tail.
I completely forgot about that. I think, however, that we’re going more for a no rider here. Eragon is not talking to/ helping Saphira, and Toothless’ tail is temporarily uninjured. Before the crash Toothless, if you want to be technical.
Thank you Random! I was wondering when someone would remember that, it was like in the first post.
As much as I like Saphira, without wards and Toothless beeing at full strength (remember that even with his tail repaired, he would be far faster and more agile with his original tail), Toothless would take the prize. He has immense strenght for his size, razor sharp claws and teeth, is capable of flying straight up in the air, fires plasma bolts with a shot limit of at least 10, and he is certainly smart. Simple proof; Even before he met Hiccup, he knew that he should take out the catapults during the raid. Even the ones that weren’t being manned at the time. A dumb animal wouldn’t attack a non living target unless they were attacked by it, and they realized they had to “kill” it. Toothless can tell where the weak points on somthing are easily. And other then his fake tailfin, which he doesn’t have for this battle, he is completely fireproof.
I think that people are forgetting a very important thing. Saphira CAN speak the Ancient language… She has access to magic. Ergo, she could just jierda the heck out of Toothless! Her firebreathing is also superior as she can make fireballs or just breathe a stream of it that goes quite a ways out. Yes Toothless can blow up a wooden tower, but Saphira can blow up a saphire that would weigh much more than 10 tons…
The thing is, WHY would they be fighting? The only reason Toothless would fight another dragon would be to protect the majority of the dragons and the only reason Saphira would is because they were immensely evil! It’s far more likely that they would playfully chase and then make this whole thing SO not PG…
Size and Strength are definitely in saphira’s favor. I’d also give intelligence and combat versatility to Saphira. I think Toothless has a slight edge in raw speed, but his major factor was attacking at night when humans couldn’t see him well enough to properly attack. Saphira would have no issue with finding him in any environment.
What a tricky match we stumbled upon, due to lack of specified scenario.
@Cross
Even with some vagueity, I think Saphira comes out on top with this. She once flew almost the entire breadth of Alagaesia non-stop (they only stopped once or twice) and was at close to full speed. No matter the scenario, she could probably outlast anything the environment throws at them.
@Master Sarge
If you have to hazard your best guesses, how might this affect Naruto, Sasuke, Eragon and Murtagh vs Horus, to be sure?
Naruto and Sasuke are Ninjas: Made to strike quick and hit something important and then get out fast. Only their strongest Pseudomagics will have a chance of even penetrating his armor. If this is Chaos-Champion Horus, those magicals might not even have any effect. And he is just as fast as either of them to my knowledge, but can hit a whole-lot harder.
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Eragon and Murt’s magic might be a little more effective, but their Words of Death are based on attacking certain critical body bits (arteries, organs, etc) and all of the Primarchs had redundant body systems to fall back on as well as rediculous healing factors. It took getting sucker-stabbed with a Chaos Blade possessed by a Greater Daemon of Nurgle to overcome the Warmaster’s immune System.
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So, it will be pretty hard for them to take down Warmaster Horus; even worse if he’s Chaos Backed.
“I’d also give intelligence and combat versatility to Saphira”
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I’m not sure if the intelligence in this is a big enough factor to help Saphira, IMO. Remember, Toothless was able to comprehend the concept of a drawing, AND attempt one himself. I think he’s barely under human intelligence. He makes up for this small lack, though, with battle experience. He knows how to attack something larger and slower than him, and was fighting all the time before the events of the movie.
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What do you mean by “combat versatility”?
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I believe the dragon wings in Eragon are often portrayed as thin membranes. They can be torn by standard weapons. Toothless’ fire balls have been shown to completely destroy possibly fire-proof wings.
@Aelfinn
Hm, the wings thing does present an issue, I do agree.
By Versatility, I ventured that Saphira has more “ways” to attack. Her fire is deadly, yes, but she also is adept at using her teeth and claws (which I will state belief that they are more effective than Toothless’) as well as her tail and body weight as direct offensive weapons.
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Toothless seems to almost completely rely on his fire, which while powerful in their own right, does place him at a heavy disadvantage in close quarters; if the Night Fury follows the same “shot limit” rule as all other dragons in their universe, once he runs out of shots, he’ll be severely limited in his modes of attack.
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Saphira is aquainted with Dragon to Dragon combat (fighting Thorn and Murtagh being the most obvious example) and for her size is very agile. She is shown to be unaffected by other dragon’s fire, so only a direct hit to the wings would be of any use I think. And her wings will present a much smaller target than the Seadragon/Big Death’s.
toothless’ teeth retractability would be cool to see in close combat. Using them as a jig saw and cutting up sapphira
@Master Sarge
You may have a point on how the 4 will still have to deal with an uphill confrontation on their hands, to the point where regardless of whether or not the one half of the 4 can dispose of the other, disposing of Horus ‘successfully’ is a whole nother walk in the park altogether, right?
Wasn’t Toothless capable of breaking the sound barrier in flight, so wouldn’t that put him at supersonic speed?
Would that mean that Toothless is faster in at least movement speed than Saphira is?
@Doc Lowk
I have no recollection of such an event. I would place him at a low hundreds speed at full dive.
“I have no recollection of such an event. I would place him at a low hundreds speed at full dive.”
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Beginning of the movie every time he came in for an attack there was a sonic boom first, fire next, then finally the explosion.
@Doc Lowk
Are there any videos on the tube that show the scene? I don’t remember that.
“Are there any videos on the tube that show the scene? I don’t remember that.”
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About all I could find was the trailer and the sound it cut out by the background music they like to put in trailers.
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Found a bit on this though
“if the Night Fury follows the same “shot limit” rule as all other dragons in their universe, once he runs out of shots, he’ll be severely limited in his modes of attack.”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIFYkFefCx4
Whowants to helpewrite nup Ridleyvs. Saphira?
@Doc Lowk
“Enough fuel for three shots…I mean four…Uh, definitely five.”
Big Lawl right there. But it doesn’t help us much since we know he’s capable of way more than five shots in fairly rapid succession. As to the Supersonic Speeds, Toothless looks a little bulkier than I would guess for a sonic boomer, and don’t you think his wings look a little too small?
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@Xeno D
Horrendous Stomp in Rid’s favor.
” As to the Supersonic Speeds, Toothless looks a little bulkier than I would guess for a sonic boomer, and don’t you think his wings look a little too small?”
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There are a lot of thing I expected to move a lot slower in fiction then they should be capable of only for me to be proven wrong. As for wing size, extended they get about as long as he is.
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“Whowants to helpewrite nup Ridleyvs. Saphira?”
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I though it was established that Ridely is a bad A mofo that should be reserved for other known Bad A Mofos.
@Doc Lowk
Like the Seadragon-replacement? On that note; how did that blasted thing get inside that mountain in the first place? You’d think that if I had been there long (which I must imagine that it did) that it would have atrophied its wings fairly badly.
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Ridley would, in most base terms, wreck Saphira’s shit. Hard.
I didn’t think that Toothless was supersonic. I think the noise that is made is him getting ready for his exploding fireball. Does anyone know the top speed for Saphira? I’m pretty sure that Toothless is faster than her, anyway.
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Does anyone happen to know what the dragons’ flight ceilings are? That could be important.
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My assessment is that if it is a cloudy day, than Toothless will win because he is used to “striking from the darkness,” so to speak. If his speed is also much greater than Saphira’s, he could use a hit-and-run style approach even during a sunny day.
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Saphira’s fire is practically worthless, as Toothless is immune to fire.
“I didn’t think that Toothless was supersonic. I think the noise that is made is him getting ready for his exploding fireball.”
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No, mouth wise he still makes the low roars before. After re-watching the scene(thank u On Demand) it seems the the sonic boom sound came from his blast, followed by the explosion sound a second afterwards.
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Toothless flying sounds more like a kind of whistling sound you would except to hear when planes or jets fly by quickly.
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“Does anyone happen to know what the dragons’ flight ceilings are? That could be important.”
Toothless was able to get pretty high above the clouds fairly easily and seemed to be capable of going further until the little accident.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYyLqSV7gCQ&feature=related
1:55-2:03, Also 2:35-2:39
There are some other scenes showing some arial agility as well throughout.
So Ridley vs Deathwing?
@Cross
Still iffy, but for different reasons. It would be like MC vs Freddy Krueger-both are right killy, but one requires special talents to kill. Ridley is VERY killy, but Deathwing needs extreme magic to combat; more than Ridley would conceivable obtain.
@Master Sarge
Must we need reminders for how poorly set-up the match with Chief and Krueger was?
Also, i just hope that Naruto, Sasuke, Eragon and Murtagh vs Horus doesn’t get posted before Murtagh has his fight against either Vader or Cadeus posted, agreed?
Who know’s? It kind of depends on if Murt gets any Dragon Hearts or Thorn with him, because I know that Cadeus is faster than him, and Murt will only have so much energy on hand to heal with before he runs dry. Vader might be a little slower, but I think his skill outmatches Murtagh enough to keep him on his toes.
@Master Sarge
The Admiral is going to see if Murtagh can be squared off against Vader first, before its anywhere NEAR safe to have Murtagh be the one to help introduce Cadeus to factpile, actually.
Who knows?
Maybe Jace Wayland aside, there’s someone for Zero(from MegaMan X) to face in a swordfighters match.
@Cross
Agent Six perhaps?
@Master Sarge
I hope i don’t come across as some kind of madman for saying this, but that just means we have 4 swordfighters to plot out in a big swordfight against each other with.
Also, Wayland is to be armed with the Mortal Sword, Mallertarch, which was mentioned in Excalibur vs Riptide(which is suffering through some kind of rut, since i failed to specify WHICH VERSION of Excalibur was to be used for that match, at the time!)
Wayland vs Agent Six vs Zero vs Samurai Jack?
Who’s the fourth you were talking about?
@Master Sarge
Alright, make that 5 people.
Some guy from Yu-Yu-Hakusho, Kuwabara was supposed to be his name, last i heard.
And since he’s not a normal human, the weapons of the other 4 will definitely be able to inflict pain on him IF they hit him.
We may have to be prepared for a 6th swordfighter to be added to a possible 8-way swordfighter’s match.
@Cross
Link and Duncan Idaho?
@Master Sarge
More info on Idaho, please?
@Cross
Master Swordsman from the Dune Universe. Apparently he was able to hold his own against a very good amount of Sardaukar Elites before going down. Not a huge lot of feats for him. I was just throwing out swordfighters.
Then we gotta find images for each of the 8 fighters in mind, and then plot out what equipment they must have to make sure the fighting is balanced.
For obvious reasons, Wayland is to be armed with The Mortal Sword, Mallertarch, while Zero is in Black Zero Mode and will also start out with one or two of his sabers, for instance.
Where else to expand after we get enough images?
We’ll have to carefully craft the stipulations so we can avert an outright stomp!-fest, because remember when i tried the 1st big Tsundere fight on factpile that had M.J Skywalker and Clarisse La Rue on there?(Granted, i continued to suggest that if Clarisse survives long enough, she should be armed with Hekate-enhanced stuff, but that was an outright red herring when it should not have been!)
For the swordfighting match add Lance from symbionic titan
@Sargent Major
Then that would make it 9 people.
Anyone has the image for the fighters we are listing out, yet?
@Bardian
THAT’S IT! I was trying to think of that last guy. Got to have him in this.
@Master Sarge
Is adding Starkiller overkill beyond outright overkill, though?
@Cross
In a match of pure swordsmanship, it might be fairer. But with Force Powers he stomps the other guys.
@Master Sarge
With the only possible exception being Zero the Maverick Hunter, of course, right?
Its a match of pure swordsmanship we’re to gun for, actually.
I’d go with Saphira
lydia@ *I think this battle would be impossible without outside help, as Toothless can’t fly without Hiccup riding him and adjusting his fake tail thing. As shown several times in the movie, Toothless crashes when he tries to fly on his own because he can’t steer with his damaged tail.*
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as said in the instructions toothless will be able to fly by himself
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aelfinn@ *I think he’s barely under human intelligence. He makes up for this small lack, though, with battle experience. He knows how to attack something larger and slower than him, and was fighting all the time before the events of the movie.*
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i believe that toothless is at human intelligance. one is that during the battle in the begining he hit the most dangurous of the vikings war machines (the tower had something on it, just cant remember what) even though it wasnt firing at it.
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avias@ *I think that people are forgetting a very important thing. Saphira CAN speak the Ancient language… She has access to magic. Ergo, she could just jierda the heck out of Toothless! Her firebreathing is also superior as she can make fireballs or just breathe a stream of it that goes quite a ways out*
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did you read the books close enough dude? she may be able to speak the ancient langauge but as stated multiple times throughout the series she has no control over the magic within her unless it includes her breathing fire. avais saphira has never made fireballs. she can keep a constant stream of fire coming out of her mouth but she has never done what you are saying in that. toothless took out a tower that had been made out of bricks, wood, and leather. with a single shot no less. you should be ashamed of how you emberresed yourself with that paragragh.
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i strongly disagree@ *saphira can fly across a country of several hundred miles in two days, without rest i believe, and she is actually very fast, just not nearly as agile as toothless, but she is also smarter, despite the fact that toothless is pretty bright, he is still just an animal.*
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are you refering to when she flew to farthen dur? dude that wasnt across the country, that was across a small part of a large landmass. not to mention she only pushed herself to get to eragon. it took them a 8 days to get from the elf capital to feinster. toothless on the other hand went from berk all the way to the nest in less than an hour.