Suggested by Pondering Fool
C’mon guys you had to know that the Chief was going to make some more matches, right!?
Anyways, I think this is a fairly even match when you consider the strengths of both characters.
While Mystique has her powers from being a mutant, MC counters with technology.
Who wins?
Can Mystique survive being shot?
Being a shapeshifter, Mystique could morph into Sgt. Johnson and then backstab John. Then again, does Mystique have enough power by herself to punch through that armor?
As long as MC survives the first change-of-appearance, he’ll win because then he’ll know about her ability. Otherwise, he’s finished. I’d have to say MC will win tho.
“Can Mystique survive being shot?”
I hear she was once able to survive a gunshot by shifting vital organs out of the way. Lemmie double check that first.
I want Mystique to (she has blue skin leave me alone) but MC probably takes this.
“Being a shapeshifter, Mystique could morph into Sgt. Johnson and then backstab John.”
shit i didn’t even consider that!!!
I guess it depends on if MC Cheif is smart enough to realize that Mystique is a shapeshifter….
Does Misty have any weapons that can take down MC Cheifs shields?
While dicking about, I found a few scans.
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This one goes to Mystique. Not only can she mimic the powers of those she copies but she also
1. Is a better fighter
2. Has more experience and is way older then MC. She and Logan dated back in the 1800s and robbed banks together.
MC SHOOTS THE BLUE BITCH IN THE HEAD!!!!
- ci
Couldn’t she just change into Magneto and have his same exact powers? Or am I mistaken?
“This one goes to Mystique. Not only can she mimic the powers of those she copies but she also”
Actually she can’t. She can take on physical appearances of them, but her overall mass does not change, and she cannot mimic powers of those she turns herself into. Neither in the comics OR the movies.
Master Chief has this one. The only thing I can imagine that gives her a slight advantage is the fact that she can make herself so think like Mister Fantastic, as in, two-dimensional thin. It would be a hard target to hit. And she has survived an explosion by doing so. Also she can have wings/talons etc, but not powers.
According to the scans posted by Cargo your wrong. She phased through the wall a power she probably got from Kitty. So she can walk up to MC phase through him and pull his heart out.
Master Chief rapes her on so many levels (MC fanboy, yeah i admit it! (also Boba, Samus and Thane Krios fanboy)). Chief’s tech is so much more advanced (600 years in the future). Chief is a MUCH better fighter, with better weapons and equipment and is a better tactician. Mystique may be able to change into someone, but she isn’t gonna work out how to get inside Chief’s armour. All of her weapons will be pathetic. Chief will blow her face off.
I am already gonna nominate chief for FP award.
OK, i didn’t know she could phase through a wall. But i seriously doubt she would know to do that to chief straight away. In a movie, i have never seen her do it. I don’t think she would instantly think of doing this.
“Couldn’t she just change into Magneto and have his same exact powers? Or am I mistaken?”
yeah you’re mistaken but on another note all mc has to do is punch her in the face to kill her
-ci
If she can phase through stuff in general, she doesn’t HAVE to go through him right away, if she’s got intangibility… what’s he gonna do to her?
I don’t know a lot about her, but if she can use some powers of people she’s copied, it’s a pretty breezy win for her.
If it’s ONLY Shapeshifting, I don’t see how that’d be too helpful since Chief would have basic knowledge of her powers, and could just kill her at a distance.
But yeah, w/ powers it’d be easy win for her.
We’re not dealing with movies and the movies were an alternate universe. Seriously why does everyone base their opinion off those god awful movies? Anyways yes she phases through Chief and pulls his heart out with her.
The End.
to phase through chief she’d have to take a bullet to the face first
- ci
@Charles
if (i say IF cause I don’t know the context of Cargo’s photo) she can phase through solid objects, how is shooting solid projectiles at her going to help? 8)
Intangibility = win over chief. For the fact he can’t hurt her physically. If she’s got more powers, then that’s just rolling it out for her further.
Chuck I’m sorry but that made no sense my dude. If she can face through solid objects you can’t shoot her. Its like trying to catch the wind.
@sparks
mystique cant go intangible i just went to marvel wiki and it says this Originally, it was clearly stated that Mystique’s powers were limited to appearances only; as she could not assume the powers of the people she morphed into or alter her body to adapt to different situations. Although Mystique’s powers were enhanced, Mystique could never duplicate the powers of other superhumans. She still cannot duplicate the powers of the person she imitates: for example, when she turned herself into a duplicate of Nightcrawler, she did not gain the ability to teleport. However, she can use her powers to mimic the powers of others; such as assuming the form of Sabretooth, and then using her powers to enhance her senses, strength, speed, agility, and of course naturally heal at an accelerated rate. and please tell me where it says she could go intangible marvel.wikia.com/Raven_Darkholme_(Earth-616)
She can phase out… but will she? Has she ever used this tactic when fighting someone? That pic looked like she was just phasing out to sneak around.
@Charles
I didn’t state she could phase out, I said if Cargo’s photo is accurate and in correct context, your points on “shooting her” or “punching her in the face” are worthless.
@Gigliotti
“She can phase out”
Is that the offshoot of her being able to control her cells and structure, or did she pick up some kind of power mimicry?
Chuck what did we tell you guys about wikis? We only except them when they are cited and even then they don’t tell the full story and aren’t always up to date. She was phasing through walls in that pic so as far as I’m concerned she can do it unless you have something that says she can’t.
show me a comic scan with her phasing through stuff an i’ll believe but until than her so call phasing ability is pure bullshit
I have to challenge her intagibility power. She’s a shapeshifter, being able to move through objects is an entirely different power set.
Don’t ask me ask Cargo. His scans show her doing it. Click them and see for yourself.
marvel.com/universe/Mystique
Official website for marvel. Nothing about adopting other powers. That scan is part of a page out of context. It could be any number of things going on. What issue is it, and where is the rest of the comic?
POWERS
Mystique can psionically shift the atoms of her body to duplicate any humanoid of either sex, wearing any kind of clothing. She can precisely duplicate another person’s retina pattern, finger, palm and skin-pore patterns, and vocal cords. She can increase her volume, but not her mass. Mystique’s power grants her age retardation, increased healing, and immunity to drugs and poisons.
ABILITIES
Mystique is a highly skilled combatant, actress, marksman, and strategist in terrorist and commando operations.
That is as official as it can get.
It also says after she was exposed to significant radiation her body can adapt to various situations, and sites her form turning into camoflauge from the surrounding environment, as well as compress herself into a virtual 2D form in order to glide.
Cargo’s link could’ve been a dream sequence or out-of-body experience, it doesn’t help much that it’s in german and says David Hasselhoff lol
Nope that thing is old. It still says that Logan can bleed to death and if enough tissue damage is dealt he’ll die. Yet we seen him burned to a skeleton and get up later. So try again. Once its published its canon since everyone one these comics has to be looked at prior to printing.
Midnite, Logan’s level of abilities have been portrayed differently by different writers and artists over the years. I would trust the official marvel website over some partially scanned comic book that no one knows the issue of, and can’t offer a complete page of, let alone a full comic.
I am aware of canon in comics. And I know Logan has been able to do that. But seeing part of a page where it doesn’t actually specify she is phasing (it looks like what Sparks said it could be), doesn’t constitute what you think it is, and certainly doesn’t debunk the official website of Mystique’s bio. Her abilities have NEVER been able to replicate abilities she mimics the characters of, even when she was exposed to the radiation which allowed for physiological changes like the talons and wings etc. She can change herself to be as thin as Mr Fantastic, but she can’t adopt other mutants’ powers.
PS
the page says it was last modified ‘This page was last modified on 1 May 2010, at 05:17′ so unless that comic was in the last few months (and by the looks of it, it doesn’t look that new), it is up to date enough. And the Logan page was last updated on 1st of September, so stop being a numb nuts and face up to facts. Check the bottom of the character bio pages to verify when they were last modified.
Don’t care about modifications. If its not keeping itself up to date with what going on in the comics then it means shit. For example does it list Nightcrawler as KIA cause he was just killed by Bastion not too long ago?
The deadpool page is only updated to the early parts of Cable and Deadpool. C&D was years ago, yet the page says it was updated June 1.
Fair enough
Regardless, part of a comic book page without context is not proof of any phasing ability or by extension the ability to adopt powers of mutants mystique shapeshifts into
But yes, on nightcrawler page it says
Recently, Nightcrawler died while trying to save Hope, the Messiah child, from the anti-mutant villain Bastion
So some things they update some they don’t? Maybe cause Nightcrawler had a pivotal role in things and Deadpool doesn’t right now.
We obviously don’t know the full context of the page in question, but the third page shows that she can turn invisable, so isn’t it possible that the second page is also showing her invisability ability and is just in the process of turning it off? And it appearing to be phasing just because of the angle?
That would fall in line with the third scan there, and we don’t really known the full context of the pages.
@OA
I think the invisible thing isn’t the typical invisibility, I think it’s an example of her body doing the camoflauge reaction and just blending in with the environment.
As to the phasing bit, she’s pretty clearly sticking OUT OF a wall, not just over the Soldier’s shoulder.
Maybe it’s an instance where she’s mixing her cells into the makeup of the wall or the like, I don’t precisely know what all she can do.
It still could be an out-of-body type thing like I mentioned. Hopefully Cargo can clear it up, but he might not even know what’s going on either lol, it’s in German after all.
Phasing through stuff at will can net her a win over Chief. ONLY shapeshifting, I don’t guess she’d have much to take him out before he takes her out completely, unless she can do the 2D compression thing instantly or has the speed to bullrush him.. and strength to get through his armor. She might, like I said I don’t know enough about her.
I’m thinking phasing = win, simple shapeshifting = loss though.
@midnite
I’m not sure. But there is the deadpool ultimate page as well, though I wouldn’t know how updated that is either. marvel.com/universe/Deadpool_(Ultimate)
@OriginalA, that seems a fairer assumption, though I think it could still be the mr fantastic type ability of molecular control that mystique has gained
Ignore the German stuff
It is just one of the soldiers saying that he hasn’t already seen David Hasselhoff in concert.
Nothing special, just a small jibe at the fact that David Hasselhoff had a popular following in germany back in the day for his singing
@AndyMax
yeah I know what it said, I was just wondering if that particular guard was just equipped with a german chat bubble, or if that whole particular page was in kraut lol (see it’s cut off there)
But, if the issue is titled ich bin dreamer, then it’s all good 8)
“So some things they update some they don’t? Maybe cause Nightcrawler had a pivotal role in things and Deadpool doesn’t right now.”
I guess you may have a point, but 5 years without updating Deadpool? Also does Mystique have a pivotal role right now? Also, I think Deadpool may be pretty important right now, he currently has 4 ongoing comics(Deadpool v4, Deadpool Team-up, Deadpool Corps, and Deadpool Max). My point is that the site is not updated often enough to be considered reliable.
Yeah, “modified” time on a page is too vague, since most of the time it doesn’t detail the exact capacity in which the page was modified.
It could be some jerkass playing spellchecker lol
andymus is right thats all it says
I am glad this match go posted. Seeing as it is my match and I have not told you where the location is, I will do so now.
The match takes place in an industrial complex such as this:
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It is one of those automotive places, full of melted steal and etc. Everything is active and the machinery is doing its job while the duel commences. Master Chief carries his usual battle equipment and Mystique has 2 or 3 weapons stashes (what ever weapons she actually uses) spread out throughout the factory. Everything is usable in the factory, so if anyone gets desperate they could use a crowbar lying around and etc. Who wins?
- pf
It is hard to say, but apart from substantial backing from the comics themselves, where else would you get official information apart from the marvel site? Wikis are unreliable.
I mean, what has happened to Deadpool lately? Is the Deadpool Ultimate page more up to date? It at least talks about first appearance being 2006 in ultimate spiderman issue 91, so that info must be at least within the missing 5 years.
Thanks for the update PF.
“Being a shapeshifter, Mystique could morph into Sgt. Johnson and then backstab John. ”
And she knows about characters outside this match ? Or can she read MC’s mind ?
Because I have no idea how, out of the blue she’ll decide to morph herself into a person she has had no knowledge of before.
“I mean, what has happened to Deadpool lately? Is the Deadpool Ultimate page more up to date? It at least talks about first appearance being 2006 in ultimate spiderman issue 91, so that info must be at least within the missing 5 years.”
Besides the entire C&D series, his 4 current series, the merc with a mouth series, and lots of other limited series and appearances, not much. Also, I am pretty sure Ultimate Deadpool was really just a villain that Ultimate Spider-man fought. Still no information about what DP has done for the past 5 years on his bio page, that shows that those pages can be out of date.
Is mystique allowed to have previous contact with other mutants. I think this is a fair question. Basically, should she even be allowed to transform into anybody other than chief himself?
Just as individuals who can take over civilians bodies are not allowed to do so as “outside help” would her “pool” of previous mutant victims be allowed as standard equipment or outside help? Because should she not be allowed to use them, than methinks an easy win for her. But also remember that CIS is in play. Simply because you have shown an effective strategy does NOT ensure a victory, you also need to show that that combatant would actually do so. It’s the same reason why Aang loses, just because a factpiler can envision a way to utilize his powers to victory does not mean he will. Has mystique before simply turned invisible and walked up to Wolverine’s brain and ripped it out?
Basically unless she has shown to use this power before in this way, it’s not convincing enough to suggest it and assume that she will use it.
@Capn’
” It’s the same reason why Aang loses”
Nah it’s not the same thing. Aang places a canonical restriction on himself for whatever reason, that’s different from a character’s discretion just not being explored.
Now, if Mystique says something like “the move is such a strain I don’t risk using it in combat” or something other to that effect, then it’d be the situation you’re talking about. But, for a character to just not do something would usually fall into PiS since that’s the reason for them not using the most simple method of offing a rival.
There’s a difference between unexplored character discretion and character restriction. Like Roy Mustang — it was determined he won his debut fight since he could use his powers in a method that he hasn’t directly used in the series, because he’s never been against a fellow fire-thrower. But he’s shown the capabilities to do this none the less.
If Mystique, a covert-trained killer HAS the capability to use a method, and no ACTUAL comic restrictions on why she wouldn’t, there’s no reason to just count her out unless she was a specified stupid character or something, then it’d be also different to limit a character’s range of action, since they’d have the restriction of a lowered thinking capacity.
Also, was it even determined if she could phase or what? lol
@ Sparks
I don’t think she does since there is no reason for her to have those powers and she rarely displays them.
It’s like Solid Snake suddenly having pyrokinesis. Just doesn’t fit.
@Beli
eh I wouldn’t liken them to that situation, it’s really not as severe as Snake with pyrokinesis. Technically phasing could just be a cellular morphing thing, to the extent of manipulating herself in a similar consistancy with whatever object she’s near (not too far from her confirmed camoflauge reflex)
I’m not saying she has phasing it mind you, since I only know about Mystique in the movies, but it’s not really that farfetched to someone that has pretty significant control of her entire body, being able to compress herself to the point of being ’2D’ is another example.
The context of the photo should be the tipper here, or the real significant one. WITH phasing it’s no contest, Chief can’t really hurt her. Without it all she’d really have is her camoflauge and stealth, which is good and all but I don’t think it’d be enough to trump Chief’s vision modes or something (I don’t know about chief either, but I’m assuming he has tracking sensors in his visor or some such)
I wonder why do all comic girls have D-cups?
“I wonder why do all comic girls have D-cups?”
Prolly to appeal to the (then) teenagers who read teh comics and (now) appease the Adults with eye candy
If a comic lady’s cups are D/ C, we will Marvel at them.
giggity 8)
@Ctp. Olimar
“Is mystique allowed to have previous contact with other mutants. I think this is a fair question. Basically, should she even be allowed to transform into anybody other than chief himself?”
Yes. She still cannot duplicate the powers of lets say Magneto (if she turns into him), so I see no reason why she cannnot turn into people she has known before. Personally, I see no reason why it would stop MC from unloading a clip on her, cause to him, everyone adult in the building is probably going to be an enemy.
For Mystique, the advantage I see with her shape-shifting ability is to use MC morality against himself. Transform into a little helpless girl and run up to him screaming some blue lady killed her parents and etc. MC of course, is no spontaneous child killer and would be hesitant to kill “the little girl”. The little girl runs behind MC’s back and then Mystique has a perfect opportunity to strike. If the fight gets away from her, she can transform into a fly or bug and regroup somewhere else.
- pf
Man, it is fucking hard to find feats for Mystique. Best I could find is her only being mildly annoyed by Wolverine gutting her.
You lot are also seriously forgetting chief has radar. Mystique’s camo isn’t gonna work. She gets close, he blows her head off.
Yeah, it’s not like we’ve seen her go intangible or anything…¬_¬
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Anyway, after alot of searching this is the best I could find for Mystique:
Kicks through a big steel door, like it was made of paper
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Grows a second body (And a second set of organs appearantly):
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(She was able to effortlessly overpower a crowd of soldiers dog-piling her in this form)
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Oh yeah, and she can turn her body into metal appearantly
“Oh yeah, and she can turn her body into metal appearantly”
What kind of metal though? Could be important.
“What kind of metal though? Could be important.”
Judging soley by appearance, I’d say some kind of steel. But, I’m no aerodynamics expert so…There you go.
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I’m no pilot, but that’s a cockpit I wouldn’t mind being in. nyuk nyuk nyuk
anyway, @ Asger
So, she CAN become intangible then?
@sparks
No she can’t be intanible in that scan She was able to adapt her body in order to camouflage according to her surroundings,
- The Master of Disaster, The King of Sting, The Dancing Destroyer, and The Count of Monte Fisto
Chuuuuuuuuck ingliiiiiiish
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Maybe I’m not interpreting this scan right, but it definitely looks like the bottom half of her body is phased through that wall.
I only said she’s using camoflouge because she has no history of phasing through things
– The Master of Disaster, The King of Sting, The Dancing Destroyer, and The Count of Monte Fisto
Chuuuuuuuuck ingliiiiiiish
@ci
Yes, the logical conclusion to seeing someone that appears to have the lower half of her body in a wall is that she is using some sort of camouflage….
I looked at the image of the “phasing” and to me, it looks like she was just invisible.
You can see the line on the wall through her head, so I think she was just hiding.
I don’t think authors of comics would just give a character powers that have never been seen before without explaining it.
That image should be Mystic camouflaging.
I think MC wins this although it would not be an easy fight.
They have about the same strength if she can kick down steel doors and while MC has regenerative shields, Mystic has regenerating powers if she shapeshifts to Sabretooth or something.
Once Mystic takes down MC’s shields she’ll also have to rip off some titanium alloy..
lul i kept mispelling mystique…
That image is not of her phasing. By the position of her shoulders, her body has to camouflaging straight down. You can see the wall through her upper body, so she is going invisible.
And when she shapeshifts, she doesn’t take someone else’s powers. She only takes their form.
Chief has to win. Mystique’s weapons are primitive compared to Chief’s (500 years in the past). Her weapons would hardly damage Chief’s shield. And she can’t get close, as Chief has a radar. No matter what Mystique does, she is only delaying the end result. Chief would kill her.
@Phenonemis
Post the translated or expanded version that specifies this as camoflauge, while I’m not confirming or denying it’s phasing or anything in regards to her powers, you’re blind or in denial to not notice her sticking out of the wall.
Barring an out of body experience or alternate-reality type thing (no joke, that could be the situation, and it may not be canon)
But, in that particular scan, she is in fact going THROUGH a wall. Phasing or not, that’s still a form of intangibility which is /win over chief.
That is again, IF that scan is a canon-occurance.
I disagree. I just think it looks like she is leaning forward and is going invis/camo. I guess we just see things differently. Since i have never heard anything about her being able to through a wall, anywhere, i am also in doubt of her being able to do this full stop. Also bear in mind, that even if it is like that, can she kill the chief? she can’t get near enough because of the radar, and her weapons can’t do much at all. Chief is much better physically than her, so she can’t fight him. He would grab her and pummel her. (Chief is able to take down a fully shielded Brute Chieftain with one punch in the back.)
Are you saying she is going invisible and camo at the same time, why is her shoulders and head portuding at a vertical angle, and why didn’t they simply animate her whole form to convey camoflauge or the like.
” that even if it is like that, can she kill the chief?”
Yes, IF (again IF) she can infact become intangible or phase, she wrecks chief like the several other folks that have made him their bitch. If she can’t phase, then his physical prowess could very well wrap it up for him, although I too am limited on combat feats for both fighters.
by the by**
“Yes, IF (again IF) she can infact become intangible or phase”
I mean if it’s her own power, having to do with her “psionically shifting” her biological cells, then she’d win.
I read that one point Forge has supplied her with technology, while it didn’t say to what ends, I wouldn’t put a cloaking or phasing instrument out of Forge’s range. That scan could very well be some similar instance, where an item or other mutant is allowing her to do such.
Where does this battle take place??Because if it’s in the UNSC bases, Mystique is fucked.If she tries to do anything to the chief she’ll just wind up with a broken arm and dead body(she’s the dead body), so MC kind of has this one in the bag.Now it’s time for that three meat pizza i was cooking.
Not that I’m debating any part of this but…when TF did she get the ability to copy powers? I know I haven’t been following Mystique but fuck that’s a big development.
Thats one reason this website is frustrating me. Half the people and things they have “vs MC”, no one can agree on exactly what these people are capable of.
master chief wins hands down
1) she cant gain any additional powers
2)sidearms in the halo universe use explosive rounds (even if she shift her vitals out of the way she will be blown to chunks)
3) she has no way to break the chiefs shields or armor ( standard bullets bounce of of marine armor and a Spartans armor is several times more resistant.)
An idle question but… does molecular shifting work against an energy shield? Also allowing that Mystique can change her form and get all these additional powers (thus taking her in her complete canon form stretching across time, i’m fulling kiting the MC out with Mark VI armor and upgrades.
Master Chief:
Hyper-accelerated reflexes
Accelerated cognition (he can process tactical information much faster than an unmodified human)
Genetically an Cybernetically modified to have toughed bones and significantly increased muscle mass.
Improved Physical Sense.
Trained from childhood to be a SPARTAN-II, recieved the best military and special operations training available to the UNSC.
Motion and IFF Sensor
Cloaking Field
Bubble Shield
Shotgun
Battlerifle
MJOLNIR Mark VI
In the book Fall of Reach the Spartans are described as being able to move and fight so fast that the human eye can’t track it. I think people fail to realize that John-117 has been training since childhood to be a killing machine. He is super human both in intellect and martial skill.
Mystique does not have his training.
Mystique has all sorts of training on top of decades upon decades (I believe she’s in her hundreds..?) of real world experience. That factor is a moot point.
All the OTHER things though are not. She’s somewhere between olympic level human and peak human. The key thing about both of those comic classifications is that they still haven’t reached into the real of super human abilities but rather things a normal human could do with extreme training.
I don’t know about all these new powers (or if she could phase through an energy shield) but given everything else she’s at a disadvantage. Maybe someone could find a scan somewhere to say otherwise but she’s not going to be fast enough or strong enough.
She would be capable of gathering weapons to disable shields and damage his armor given the time and preparation. Marvel-verse has some considerable technological advantages above Halo-verse despite the fact it’s still somehow modern day.
Not calling a winner though ’cause of these new powers. I’d have to know more.
Mystique can take a bullet.
After being exposed to high levels of radiation to save her friend Toad she acquired natural body armor (IDK how that worked out). She can shift her organs. She can also heal rapidly. Mystique is also much more skilled than MC. She is like a hundred years old or more. She is also an excellent marksmen, if she happened to get ahold of MC’s gun.
As for the guy who said that MC has more tactile experience, well that’s not true. Mystique is an expert strategist.
As for you people that think she can copy abilities, she cannot. And she is only as strong as a very fit human being.
I’ve played plenty of Halo to know that MC is easy to kill! Lol. Just a bash to the back of the head!
Yeah Mystique would win.
i find this match fairly uneven, mystique may be hot and a shapeshifter but, John-117 does have a Full Body titanium/kevlar armor with a side of energy shields, mystique while able to shapeshift can only copy apearances and not abilities, so shes just a human in a way, and the chief did kill 2 ODST’s in a hand to hand combat, when he was only 14years old. so the chief can simply, shoot mystique, choke her, break her spine, smash her skull….and so many other ways to kill…..
the chief has this one no sweat…..
So 1+ for the Chief?
Or must he Scarab Gun his way to victory?
No scarab gun, just plain old standard victory with any weapon in this battle.
Given Mystique can phase through solid objects (shapeshifting into Shadowcat), what stops her from phasing through Chief and ripping his heart out?
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Just wondering?
“Given Mystique can phase through solid objects (shapeshifting into Shadowcat), what stops her from phasing through Chief and ripping his heart out?”
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I thought she could only shape shift/invisible. Well if so, when M.C. finds out the bullets just phase through her, he will dodge/avoid Mystique ’til she reverts back.
Then again Mystique is only peak human in terms of physical abilities (including strength and stamina) so yeah…
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Im thinking MC may outlast her….
“Given Mystique can phase through solid objects (shapeshifting into Shadowcat), what stops her from phasing through Chief and ripping his heart out?”
the fact that she cant copy abilities….se can copy the image….not abilities….
Well Mystique can make herself stronger as she can transform into this
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and do this
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Breaking down a steel door is a little higher then peak human
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Has the durability to survive getting chucked out a 30 story building
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Has the strength to rip open a attack chopper with her bare hands
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Has the strength to hold back Rogue from shoving her claws she got from Wolverine through her
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So don’t count her out completely. Mystique can Supermorph her body and make herself, stronger, faster, and more durable.
Well all of those feats (except for the last one, Rogue could arguably be holding back on her) prove that she is stronger than him, but how fast is Mystique? Master Chief could maybe run and gun (and grenades?) her before she rips him apart with her hands. (four hands doubles her strength?) Also, about being chucked out of the building, wasn’t she saved by something in that comic?
“Well all of those feats (except for the last one, Rogue could arguably be holding back on her) prove that she is stronger than him, but how fast is Mystique? Master Chief could maybe run and gun (and grenades?) her before she rips him apart with her hands. (four hands doubles her strength?) Also, about being chucked out of the building, wasn’t she saved by something in that comic?”
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1. Rogue was trying to kill her in that comic I believe. But the very fact that she can make a class 50 struggle with her is very impressive.
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2. Mystique’s exact speed is unknown however she’s about as fast as Wolverine who depending on his adrenal level can clock in at anywhere between 35-60mph. Here’s some scans of her doing some running
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Nice dodge feat right there
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Oh and she can fly
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Alright, Mystique for fp award…
Agreed. I liked Mystique. Its too bad Wolverine killed her already.
Actually, The Hand Resurrected her. She was last seen reverting from Victor Creed to her normal self with a suitcase filled with money.
Awesome. She’s a character good for plot twists.
well, all those feats do seem impresive….but than again…..
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the chiefs MJOLNIR armor is one of his greatest advantages over mystique…..
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also, the augemntations he went trough to become a spartan….wel….see for yourselves….
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halo.wikia.com/wiki/Spartan_Augmentations
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and let me just quote something else…..
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“The SPARTAN-IIs are capable of lifting three times their body weight, which is double the normal weight of an average human due to the ceramic bone augmentations, in addition to their increased muscle density”
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“Cal-141 was capable of blocking a Jiralhanae Chieftain’s Gravity Hammer swing with a single hand, dodging multiple swings from the Chieftain, use her enhanced muscle strength to jump to great heights, and wound the Chieftain with a few punches and kicks.”
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“During the events on planet Onyx, Will-043 used his enhanced strength to engage a Hunter pair in hand to hand combat, and succeeded in killing one by ripping the worms out of its body”
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“A SPARTAN-II’s reaction time while impossible to chart accurately is estimated to be twenty milliseconds, their reaction times are significantly faster in combat situations or with A.I. assistance. The reaction times of the SPARTAN-IIs are so fast that they are able to think, react and see things happen in slow and fast motion ”
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“Chief Petty Officer Franklin Mendez states after the augmentations that the SPARTANs will only get better as they adjust to the augmentation. Therefore many of the SPARTANs attributes have increased through time. These abilities were completely independent of the MJOLNIR armor, which only further augmented the SPARTANs’ unprecedented capabilities. ”
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AUGMENTATIONS”
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‘carbide ceramic ossification’
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“Advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable. ”
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‘muscular enhancement injections’
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Protein complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactase recovery time
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‘Catalytic Thyroid Implant ‘
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“Platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues”
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‘Occipital Capillary Reversal ‘
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“Submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of the subject’s retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase”
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‘Superconducting Fibrification of Neural Dendrites ‘
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“Alteration of bioeletrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. 300% increase in subject reflexes. Anecdotal evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory, and creativity”
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see…. no contest……mystique looses……
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note that all these augmentations are WITHOUT the MJOLNIR armor…..which only increases the effectivenwss of tghe augmentations…….
Hmmm, wiki. Ignoring
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Mystique ftw
oh well… you dont like wiki, because it it shows you mystique is no contest against the chief…..welll doesnt matter…. i you want the sources here they are…
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1. Halo Encyclopedia, page 44
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2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 57 page 74 2010 edition
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3. Dr. Halsey’s personal journal March 9th, 2525
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4. 4.0 4.1 Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 63
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5. 5.0 5.1 Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 101-102
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6. 6.0 6.1 Halo: Evolutions – Essential Tales of the Halo Universe Pariah page 34
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7. Halo: Fall of Reach, page 62 page 80 2010 edition
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8. Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, page 168
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9. Halo: The Fall of Reach, pages 264 page 299 2010 edition
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10. Halo: First Strike page 12
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11. Halo: The Fall of Reach, pages 73-74
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12. Dr. Halsey’s personal journal April 1st, 2525
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13. Dr. Halsey’s personal journal June 27th, 2525