It’s been a while since Sephiroth of Final Fantasy made an appearance, and who better to match up against him than Aang from The Avatar/The Last Airbender series.
I’m pretty sure that the only way Aang would be able to win was to enter into the Avatar state. Even with his mastery of all his bending skills, Sephiroth is a potent foe.
How does this fight end?
I think Sephiroth will win here. He’s stronger than Aang up close due to the Masamune and his magic is very powerful.
Earth bending can be avoided by staying airborne or teleporting. Water bending…it depends on the environment. Fire bending isn’t one of Aang’s strong points outside of when he’s in the Avatar State since he’s never demonstrated the same prowess as Zuko or Azula. Airbending’s usually Aang’s main weapon but I’m not entirely sure on what to say about it here. With the Avatar State, an advantage would be big but only really if it was on the level of how he used it against Ozai in the ending.
Aang vs Sephi? Ooooo, I feel a bit sorry for Aang, as Sephiroth just can’t stay down for the count. Hell, if Sephiroth gets frustrated he can just pop the Black Materia and whipe out whatever continent Aang’s on.
Hmmm. Wrath of the Earth incarnate vs He-She with a sword. I’m going to go with Aang here. And also not one of you better mention some obscure materia unless he has canonly used it and Black Materia since that takes a very long time to use thus useless.
Anyway going by current events Aang takes this. He can attack Seph from all angles and in Avatar mode(which he can now enter at will and has complete control over it) he can attack with all elements at the same time and have a pretty much impenetrable defense(heavy gusts of air, large boulders, flames, and water swirling around you is kind of hard to get past).
@midnite
you stole the words right out of my mouth.
I don’t know if if that power to take away bending could be worked to take away magic, that would depend on the will of the person…..Aang would lose that war if he trys that. or at least, thats what I think.
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@Midnite
Not sure if he still has it, but in Cloud’s flashback to the Nibelheim incident Sephiroth had max level of all materia (Quake 3, Bolt 3, Fire 3, Ice 3, Life 3, etc.). The problem is that he never uses materia again.
Though even without the materia all it takes is one hit from Sephiroth’s blade to kill Aang. Also correct me if I’m wrong but Aang can’t go into the Avatar state whenever he wants, he has to put in extreme duress. Without the avatar state Aang has no chance to kill the one winged angel.
You know what’s funny. By Current Incarnations, they’re both dead. What with the events of Advent Children and the upcoming Legend of Korra having a new Avatar since Aang kicked the bucket.
blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/07/21/legend-of-korra-the-creators-of-avatar-the-last-airbender-on-the-new-spinoff/
Though when comparing the Final Battle they both have, Sephiroth looks faster and stronger minus the projectiles.
The problem is that he never uses materia again.
The same can be said for Cloud after FFVII since he doesn’t use materia at all in Advent Children (recent incarnation) but he is still allowed access to his materia. Sephiroth is said to have the ability to use any magic due to his time in the life stream so if Cloud uses any magic, I’d say it’s safe to say Sephiroth can as well.
‘Also correct me if I’m wrong but Aang can’t go into the Avatar state whenever he wants, he has to put in extreme duress. ‘
Aang can go into the Avatar state when he wants to and be in control as of the series finale but if I remember correctly, it’s not an instant transformation like with Avatar Roku.
“Also correct me if I’m wrong but Aang can’t go into the Avatar state whenever he wants, he has to put in extreme duress. Without the avatar state Aang has no chance to kill the one winged angel.”
In the Guru, he was trained to access it anytime he wants. At the end of the Two Parter for the Earth Book, he was about to complete it until Azula lightning bolt him in the back. Then came Phoenix King and that push to that pointed rock. The Chakra trapped there was released and his training complete. So he can access it anytime he wants.
Well thank you both for correcting me, I only watched Avatar up to the point where he got shot in the back by Azula’s lightning. I knew he used the avatar state to beat Ozai but I thought that was because he was almost dead.
@nolston-Proof? Cause as I recall cloud had all his materia stolen by Misaj and his brothers and Sephiroth was never said to know all materia.
‘Sephiroth was never said to know all materia.’
On the wiki it said this; “After absorbing the knowledge of the Lifestream while regenerating his body, Sephiroth gains the ability to use magic without requiring the use of Materia”
It’s from a wiki so it could be wrong but it’s what I’ll go by since I never finished FFVII.
Sephiroth’s transformations have used spells, his final from’s attacks inflict status effects left and right. While he dosent use materia, magic seems to be his thing, what with spending time in the lifestream and absorbing jenova.
I’ve read somewhere that those weren’t actually Sephiroth but I could be wrong. Not that it matters though. Aang is simply to powerful for Sephiroth. If Aang is fighting to kill Sephy is going down.
“You know what’s funny. By Current Incarnations, they’re both dead. What with the events of Advent Children and the upcoming Legend of Korra having a new Avatar since Aang kicked the bucket.”
legend of korra, is not released yet so is not latest incarnation, and would only apply to the avatar, but this match states aang specifically, so the last airbender (tv series not rubbish film) would still be his current incarnation.
Sephiroth has been shown to teleport several times. Most of them are just Jenova acting in his stead, but in Crisis Core he teleports when Zack is fighting him (in the battle which leads to him falling into the Lifestream, so it has to be the original). There’s several vidoes with it on Youtube, but most of them are really bad quality. I’ll still put one up if someone asks though. Sephiroth just teleports behind Aang and guts him.
Should this battle somehow go on for longer, I still think Sephy can take it, although it’ll be a lot harder. He’s quite durable, and so can probably withstand most of the punishment that Aang can throw at him (In Advent Children Cloud hits him hard enough for the impact to create a crater. Sephiroth stops him with his bare hands, holds him in the air afterwards, and doesn’t even flinch. I’ll try to find a vid for this too). He can fly, though it won’t help much in this fight what with Aang’s control of air, he’s a bullet-timer, and his strength has been covered extensively in other matches.
I’m a bit fuzzy on his magic, however, since it’s been forever since I’ve played FF7.
Also, doesn’t Aang need to perform complex gestures and such for his powers to work, or does he grow out of that? Unfortunately I’m not as familiar with the series as perhaps I should be.
“If Aang is fighting to kill Sephy is going down.”
CIS says he doesn’t kill. He restricts enemies.
Bloodlusted battles for Aang maybe?
What parts of swirling shield of wind, boulders, fire, and water don’t you understand? Like I said before the outcome of this match is based off whether or not Aang is trying to kill Sephiroth. If Aang is trying to kill him there is no way in hell Seph is surviving. All of Aang’s attacks hit harder and come from every angle. Strength won’t even matter since Spehiroth will never get close enough for a sword.
@Lamb-Unless specified these matches are too the death.
“What parts of swirling shield of wind, boulders, fire, and water don’t you understand?”
In Crisis Core Sephy cuts the Juno Cannon (which is, you know, made of some sort of metal. Probably steel) into pieces with one hand. In Advent Children he hits the Shinra Building hard enough to cause chunks of it to explode off, which he then dodges and weaves amongst while fighting Cloud. Aang’s paltry swirling rocks will not be hard to cut through. Sephiroth has walked through fire unscathed as well (not saying he’s impervious to fire, because he’s not, but swirling fire isn’t much of a biggie either). The air and water would be harder to get through, but definitely not impossible for someone with Sephiroth’s physical power.
“All of Aang’s attacks hit harder and come from every angle.”
See the part about Sephiroth cutting metal buildings into pieces with one in response to Aang hitting harder. I agree he could come from every angle, but Sephiroth blocks hits from Cloud without his arms breaking, so he’s got some sweet durability.
“Strength won’t even matter since Spehiroth will never get close enough for a sword.”
Again, Sephiroth can teleport. He can very easily get close enough.
Also, I bring vids!
Here is Sephiroth teleporting: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KogKYQ9zqnc&feature=related He uses it first at 1:08, but does it several times. It’s off a PSP, so wuality isn’t so good, but it’s easy to see.
Sephiroth cutting the Juno Cannon to pieces: www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4&feature=search At 3:07 you can see him cut right through it with one hand. At 2:52 you can see him doing it at range.
Also in that last link at 1:53 you can see the sort of hits he can block with, again, just one hand.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNPBrLDa6nM&feature=related Right at 0:03 we see that impact with Cloud I was talking about earlier (both combatants are completely uninjured by it). At 1:16 we got that walking through fire bit, and at 1:35 we got the building collapsing from Sephiroth hitting it once, which this vid didnt show for whatever reason.
ugh, typos abound, Sorry for the double post, but I can’t stand reading errors in my own posts.
‘so wuality isn’t so good’ should be ‘so quality isn’t so good’.
‘into pieces with one’ should be ‘into pieces with one hand’.
That last didn’t should have an ‘.
How come the name of the person that suggested this fight isn’t listed?
@-0
maybe it suggested itself. lol
but about the fight, ive heard alot about both (aang mostly form kratos vs. aang. that fight tok forever to settle). like someone said earlier, normal intention to kill is out of the question. if aang doesnt find a way to kill sephiroth quickly, its over. if aang goes into avatar state, i say this turns into a pretty even match, although id still kinda lean toward sephiroth. mostly due to the fact that he always goes for a kill quickly (unloess its with cloud, he seems to enjoy their fights) and still holds back. if current incarnations come into play, he isnt quite as powerful as he is in FF7. By the way, did dissidia come out before or after advent children? cuz he can use his supernova ability in that as a limit breaker, albeit different than his original, by which i mean he knocks them into a supernova, not blows up thep lanet they are on.
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maybe it suggested itself. lol”
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Once again what difference does it make? Prove to me that Seph can power through a tornado, condensed rock, fire hot enough to instantly liquefy steel, and water thrown at high enough velocity to cut through steel like an ark welder. Alright let me do this by the numbers. The reason why Seph won’t win is because
1. He can’t touch Aang in Avatar State no matter what your fanboy brains cook up.
2. Seph can cut through buildings? Aang creates a fissure in the earth and lets them all drop in, flips the ground they’re on over, melts them into molten slag, washes them away with 100s of feet of water then freezes that water or flash boils him into lady-boy soup, or blasts them away with winds gusting fast enough to cause centuries worth of erosion in a couple of seconds. Like I said completely different scales of power. The whole earth is Aang’s weapon.
I could go on but it would just be overkill. Seph loses this one easy.
@Zazax
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“Once again what difference does it make? Prove to me that Seph can power through a tornado, condensed rock, fire hot enough to instantly liquefy steel, and water thrown at high enough velocity to cut through steel like an ark welder. Alright let me do this by the numbers. The reason why Seph won’t win is because
1. He can’t touch Aang in Avatar State no matter what your fanboy brains cook up.
2. Seph can cut through buildings? Aang creates a fissure in the earth and lets them all drop in, flips the ground they’re on over, melts them into molten slag, washes them away with 100s of feet of water then freezes that water or flash boils him into lady-boy soup, or blasts them away with winds gusting fast enough to cause centuries worth of erosion in a couple of seconds. Like I said completely different scales of power. The whole earth is Aang’s weapon.
I could go on but it would just be overkill. Seph loses this one easy.”
Note that the slash that cut through the giant metal canon was a magic slash wave from his sword. btw, prove to me that aang wouldn’t be cut in half before he goes into his avatar state. I don’t think it is like aang to go into a battle with a quote “lady-boy” in his avatar state right away. And don’t say it’s a fight to the death so he would, because by that logic, all the fights that goku is in for an example, he would go super saiyan from the start. But he doesn’t because that is not the way he is. Same goes for aang. Sephiroth on the otherhand is cold and ruthless, and wouldn’t hesitate to gut aang. If aang were to go into the avatar state, he could win, but i just don’t see him living long enough to do so. And before you say it, no I am not a Sephiroth fanboy.
‘Aang creates a fissure in the earth and lets them all drop in, flips the ground they’re on over, melts them into molten slag, washes them away with 100s of feet of water then freezes that water or flash boils him into lady-boy soup, or blasts them away with winds gusting fast enough to cause centuries worth of erosion in a couple of seconds. ‘
Aang is not Avatar Roku or Kyoshi who have demonstrated similar feats like this even when he was inside the Avatar State. The most I remember of what he did in the Avatar State that was really on par with past avatars was the orb of all four elements against Ozai and when he pulled the sea in to wash away the wreckage of all the Fire Nation airships which isn’t much compared to separating an island from the mainland like Kyoshi or when Roku battled against the volcano before dying.
Aang isn’t one to go into the Avatar State quickly either unless he’s in real danger. He may not enter it until he realizes how dangerous Sephiroth is and it’s possible that by then, it could be too late.
@Soldier Shadow-When in Avatar State Aang has all the abilities and knowledge of the previous Avatars
@Random Guy-First Sephiroth will have to get to Aang who can fly faster then him due to not being effected by air resistance and shield himself while unleashing earth rending power on Seph. Seph can’t out fly him and the air is Aang’s main element with him being able to blast winds at a velocity that can turn stone to dust and cool waves of lava into solide stone almost instantly. He can’t stay on the ground due to Aang having complete control over it and can send really sharp pillars of stone right up Seph’s ass literally, rip the ground out from underneath him, cover it with lava(yes he can do that). Add to that the fact that Aang can drown him also under thousands of gallons of water then freeze it or flash boil it outside of Avatar mode. When you have complete control over the 4 elements and most of its sub-classes you have options.
How about Aang vs Ganondorf. There really needs to be another Ganondorf related match!!!!!!
“he would go super saiyan from the start.” He does constantly.
Ever since freiza(or watever) saga he does.
@soldiers shadow
Typically, you know your enemy before you fight them. . .
‘When in Avatar State Aang has all the abilities and knowledge of the previous Avatars’
That’s true but he hasn’t really demonstrated anything in the Avatar State on par with his past lives, despite their knowledge. Don’t we have to go by his feats that we’ve seen in the show?
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It’s terminator all over again. . .did you know Osama Bin Ladin has a British grandson?
“… I for one welcome our new robot overlords…”
I will not be replaced by some cheap knockout mechanical version of me. . .
‘Typically, you know your enemy before you fight them. . .’
That didn’t stop any debates about Aang not going all out against Kratos in ‘Aang vs Kratos’ and I’m sure we all know that Kratos is far from a good man.
“did you know Osama Bin Ladin has a British grandson?”
Seriously?
@Soldier’s Shadow-They say he has their abilities so that’s what we go by. You guys say Sephiroth has access to every materia ever created and since the canon says that’s true according to you guys that’s what it is.
‘How about Aang vs Ganondorf. There really needs to be another Ganondorf related match!!!!!!’
Ganondorf vs Magneto anybody? I’d love to see Magneto appear again on the site.
‘They say he has their abilities so that’s what we go by.’
Technically, isn’t Aang not a fully realized Avatar like Roku/etc though? He never really mastered all four elements since he was still learning firebending in Book 3 and Toph stated that Aang needed some work on his earthbending also. I could be wrong with this though…
“Ganondorf vs Magneto anybody?”
Magneto could probably dent up his armor….but he can’t KILL Ganondorf.
“That didn’t stop any debates about Aang not going all out against Kratos in ‘Aang vs Kratos’ and I’m sure we all know that Kratos is far from a good man.”
Umm. . .That’s just retarted. You run into battle without knowing whose weapons are superior.
@midnite
Well, if so, then he wins pretty easily.
@negative zero
No joke. Read about it on a newspaper.
@overlord
I bet that gets kind of akward for Osama.
‘Umm. . .That’s just retarted. You run into battle without knowing whose weapons are superior.’
It’s called CIS. Aang isn’t one to kill on sight like Kratos or Sephiroth. He surely has the ability to kill but he refuses to take a life due to going against what he was taught by the monks who raised him.
“Magneto could probably dent up his armor….but he can’t KILL Ganondorf.” Why kill him when you can contain him forever in metal?
@negative zero
Think about the poor british chap!!!
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Grandson: Can I do mine on a terrorist?
Teacher: WTF?
Time: 8th Grade
Random Kid: Look out, he might have a bomb on him. . .
Grandson: Actually, I’m clean. But you should check your house
Guard: Son, I’m gonna have to check you. . .
Time: College, 3rd year
Grandson: Come on gramps, we aint got all day. .
Osama: I’m a commin. . .
“It’s called CIS. Aang isn’t one to kill on sight like Kratos or Sephiroth. He surely has the ability to kill but he refuses to take a life due to going against what he was taught by the monks who raised him.”
What si CIS? Also, I thought these were all out no survivor deathmatchs
@Soldier-In these matches we typically don’t take into consideration a characters will to kill or else the matches would be biased towards one character. If we did half of D.C couldn’t even be in a fight on this sight.
To finish my story, The Duo and some support do a remake of no russian from modern warfare 2 at a college.
CIS = Character Induced Stupidity
Btw, I made a typo in my previous post; I meant that Aang has the ability to kill but most of the time he refuses to take a life. Example being with Firelord Ozai in the end of Book 3.
Y es.
Oh yeah, jumped the too short comment barrier. Take that siggy!!!
‘In these matches we typically don’t take into consideration a characters will to kill or else the matches would be biased towards one character. If we did half of D.C couldn’t even be in a fight on this sight.’
How come so many people pull the CIS card a lot then? Since it’s a deathmatch here then I’m still going to stay with my belief that Sephiroth will win but I know that Aang will not go down easily and I believe it’s possible that Aang in the Avatar State has the ability to defeat Seph.
I think we need to check the rules here on the site. . .
There’s a difference between having a moral code and being total tards. Case in point the Forerunners. They had the ability to stamp out The Flood before they became too much to handle but instead they waited 300 years.
@midnite
I know. I’m gonna contact admin and ask him why the whole CIS thing is there. I mean in Forerunners vs Galactic Empire, one of the main arguements is that the Forerunners won’t even fight. Then the match should never have been posted.
Someone brought up condensed rock. Isn’t Steel stronger then rock in the Avatar Universe? And which was already brought up, Sephiroth did cut that cannon like butter.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yJ-hruqcM
And this was before he went all Jenova Nuts.
Jealous?
@Akuma-Those rocks won’t be used for defense. Aang will take about 4,000 20ft boulders condense into the size of his fist then launch it at Seph’s head at sonic speeds effectively turning them into a machine gun with bullets as big as your hands. Seph might dodge a few but he can dodge them all. Imagine the holes those will tear.
“Plot Induced Stupidity and Character Induced Stupidity
PIS and CIS refers to 2 different things.
PIS is a plot device used to make characters forget to use their powers or alter thier durability and strength.This is not considered in debates,Stormtroopers may come to mind when it comes to this.So does squirell girl.
CIS is used in debates.This means characters place restrictions on themselves purposely,or because they are oblivious to them.”
This is what it says from the rules if you’re to lazy to check.
We know what they mean.
‘Seph might dodge a few but he can dodge them all. Imagine the holes those will tear.’
Sephiroth can always teleport to avoid them though. No use trying to dodge thousands of sonic speed boulders…
Who the hell is squirrel girl. I keep seeing her mentioned on this site.
@Negative-She’s a walking parody. Her main ability is control over squirrels and squirrel like agility and with these powers she has managed to defeat anyone she’s been against including Doctor Doom and easy at that.
“We know what they mean.”
Just in case
@Negative Zero
Midnight just ended up giving me an idea for a Ganondorf match! Why not Ganondorf against Dr. Doom? They’re sorta similar in some ways…
@Soldier’s Shadow
That would be epic……..
I don’t know much about Dr. Doom really, but Ganon is in the same boat as a lot of fighters.
He can dust off a lot of folks, but then when you get into the top tier, he gets crushed like a creampuff. All he really has going for him is his spiritual plane business, but he’s pretty severely outclassed in offensive maneuvers when up against a lot of people.
But, on face value, I’d say he is pretty similar to Doc Doom, they both got those capes and what not, that’s all I know of them though 8)
What are Doom’s powers anyway?
@Sparks-He’s a genius and one of the best magic users in Marvel. He also combines magic and technology to devastating effect.
@Marauder
Could he take Ganon then?
Ganon doesn’t have the speed to dodge the likes of even Link. Can Doom speed around, or shoot attacks in a rapid enough sucession or what’s his story? It could be a tipped fight before it starts lol
Reading Sephiroth’s Wiki, two things popped up…
1- In Crisis Core Sephiroth’s Limit Break is stated to be “Super Nova”, which is Safer∙Sephiroth’s ultimate attack, involving Sephiroth summoning a meteor to destroy the sun and engulf the party in a wave of fire.
2- Sephiroth’s signature attack besides Super Nova is Heartless Angel, a move capable of draining the opponent’s HP to a single digit.
While I’m not sure if Super Nova is actually doing that or using magic to simulate it, having the sun’s heat beats any fire bending. And Heartless Angel can put Aang in a nearly dead state if hit by it.
Dr. Doom would crush Ganon in my opinion based on the fact that his magic in my eyes is superior.
@Akuma-I have my doubts if that is actually a Supernova or hyperbole since the planet is still there which leads to either two conclusions
1. Its not actually a Super nova
2. Its illusionary attack which is why it never kills.
Besides that its his only useful attack since he can’t get close enough to use anything else. Aang’s defense is almost impenetrable and his attacks are devastating, fast, and all encompassing ie extreme area effect. Like I said before thousands of boulder condensed into the the size of his fists(making them extremely hard due to super packed volume) launched at Seph at super sonic speeds. Even one of those will kill him via a hole big enough to stick your arm through.
@Sparks: Ganondorf can react to and block arrows; he is fairly fast.
@Akuma: SuperNova is not a litteral super nova. As it is seen in FF7 it cannot even kill a single target; it will always reduce the target’s hp by 15/16ths of its current life. It is a non leathal attack. An actual super nova is, to say the least, much more deadly and to claim that his Super Nova attack is equivilant to an actual super nova is firmly slapped down by the evidence that it A) cannot kill a single human, B) cannot roast a planet, and C) leaves no lasting damage. It is all theatrical tricks.
@OA
Oh no question, i’m not knocking everything about Ganondorf, just for this site he doesn’t bring a great deal to the table given so many regular combatants can approach or surpass lightspeed, he’s just kind of outclassed in the physical department. He’s got some nifty tricks with him, and isn’t a complete novice, he’s right next to Wolverine — he can pull out some stops, but ultimately there’s a great many people that will knock him around like nothing, but not necessarily kill him.
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“First Sephiroth will have to get to Aang”
Which is extremely easy, seeing as he can teleport.
“Seph can cut through buildings? Aang creates a fissure in the earth and lets them all drop in, flips the ground they’re on over, melts them into molten slag, washes them away with 100s of feet of water then freezes that water or flash boils him into lady-boy soup, or blasts them away with winds gusting fast enough to cause centuries worth of erosion in a couple of seconds”
But he can’t do them instantly, yes? He has to perform gestures to use his powers? I haven’t seen anyone present an argument against Sephiroth teleporting behind Aang and slicing him in half. It doesn’t matter what Aang can do if he’s killed before he can do it.
“Like I said before thousands of boulder condensed into the the size of his fists(making them extremely hard due to super packed volume) launched at Seph at super sonic speeds”
Sephiroth is a bullet timer. It’s a simple matter to teleport out of the way with his reaction time.
… did you even check out the links I posted, midnite? A lot of the stuff you’ve brought up in answered in those, such as resistance to impact force (given the first 5 seconds of my last link in post 21, I’m not convinced just a single one of those rocks would put Sephiroth out of action as you claim), how he fares against fire (he gets completely surrounded by a large ball of magical fire in the second post, and not only does he get out okay, not even his hair is singed, although I can’t say anything to how hot it is).
“You guys say Sephiroth has access to every materia ever created”
Wait, so is this actually canon? I’ve been ignoring Sephiroth’s offensive magic for now since I can’t remember anything that would make a difference or that Aang can’t do better, but if he gets all materia ever then Sephiroth also gets summons, a self-ressurect, magic shields, time stops, the ability to stop Aang from using any of his abilities, the list goes on. I’ve never heard this anywhere, though, so I’ll need confirmation before I’ll believe it.
“He can’t touch Aang in Avatar State no matter what your fanboy brains cook up.”
Why do you assume I’m a fanboy? I’m just presenting abilities and scenarios for the character I’m supporting, and ways to circumvent the abilities and scenarios for the character you support. It’s a debate, don’t get so worked up. Yes, I do know more about Sephiroth than I do about Aang, but I’m definitely not a fanboy. It doesn’t help that every clarification about Aang’s abilities I ask for goes unanswered.
Regardless, unless the Avatar State gives him some sort of healing factor or enhanced durability, Sephiroth just needs to land a single good blow to completely demolish Aang, and given the fact that he can react faster than Aang and he can teleport, I think it’s very reasonable that he could do so.
But, just for clarification, I’ll ask again. Does Aang still need to perform gestures to use and direct his powers, or did he grow out of that? And how long does it take for Aang to enter Avatar State? Is it instant, does it take a few seconds of concentration, what?
midnite, it seems to me that youre just repeating attack plans for aang that sephiroth has already been proven to be able to dodge or outlast. supernova might not be fatal, but one sword prick would still kill aang afterwards. same with heartless angel.
1. That still won’t get him past the shields
2. I don’t care if you think so or not a 400 ton boulder packed down into the size of a fist (while still retaining its mass and weight) then hurled at super sonic velocity will rip write through Sephiroth. I have no doubt in my mind Seph can dodge one but not a hundred or a thousand. The simple fact right there.
3. I never mentioned fire in my argument cause its not necessary. A combination of air and earth bending will do the trick just find.
4. You know nothing of Aang yet you assume Seph is faster. Hmmm makes no sense to me especially since Aang is completely uneffected by wind resistance and can propel himself at speeds faster then what Seph is capable of due to that. And Seph’s durability is rendered moot due to the sheer velocity of what can be thrown at him. One hit and its over unless Seph can live through having a hole the size of a buffet platter blown through him.
5. To answer your question no he no longer need to do so and never did. The movements are used as a way to direct and fine tune the bending and also as fighting arts. Avatar transformation is near instantaneous
@hack-One sword prick? GTFO and take your fanboyism with you.
“2. I don’t care if you think so or not a 400 ton boulder packed down into the size of a fist (while still retaining its mass and weight) then hurled at super sonic velocity will rip write through Sephiroth. I have no doubt in my mind Seph can dodge one but not a hundred or a thousand. The simple fact right there.”
I didn’t say he’d dodge them. I said he’d teleport out of the way. He’s a bullet timer too, so he’s got the reflexes for it. That’s simple fact right there.
“4. You know nothing of Aang yet you assume Seph is faster. Hmmm makes no sense to me especially since Aang is completely uneffected by wind resistance and can propel himself at speeds faster then what Seph is capable of due to that.”
I never said I know nothing about him (my knowledge of Aang is less extensive than that of Sephiroth, but it’s not nonexistant). I think you misunderstood me. I was saying Sephiroth can REACT faster than Aang, being a bullet timer and all. Plus, he can teleport, so that renders his movement speed null anyways.
“And Seph’s durability is rendered moot due to the sheer velocity of what can be thrown at him. One hit and its over unless Seph can live through having a hole the size of a buffet platter blown through him.”
No, it’s not. It means Aang has to pull out his big guns and can’t hurt Sephiroth with anything less. It’s established that Aang is willing ot kill Sephiroth, but does he always throw everything he has at his enemies right off the bat? And it’s a one-shot kill both ways, not just in favour of Aang. The hard part about both combatants is actually landing a hit.
However, Sephiroth is capable of reacting much faster than Aang and he has the capability to teleport (which Aang has no way of stopping). Unless Aang is capable of completely devastating both air and ground in a large area around him in one go, or killing someone very quickly from within, Sephiroth WILL be able to teleport out of the way. Even if Aang encases him in ice or something similar, if the victim is concious Sephiroth can get out of it.
Now, Aang’s defenses consist of swirling rocks (which Sephiroth can cut through unless you can PROVE it’s stronger than steel), fire, which is the weakest of the four elements in this matter, water, which will only soften the blow a bit, and gale-force winds, which will only make a horizontal slash deadlier. So how is this supposed to save Aang from being gutted from nose to navel? How will it defend Aang from any of Sephiroth’s magic except the elemental materia? There’s a lot more that Sephiroth can easily hit Aang with than vice versa. Even more so if we’re including all the materia he’s supposed to be able to use (which I would still like a source for, by the way). If he gets every materia ever it’s a total stomp.
i understand that aang doesnt have to be worried about air resistance because hes an air bender. sephiroth still teleports instantaeneously. teleportation also isnt worried by wind resistance. or gravity, or electromagnetism, or any other force. its instantaeneous. thats still faster. therefore, sephiroth is still faster than aang. and his fist sized boulders. and yes, one sword prick, because the point of both those attacks is to take the enemy to the extreme of being one hit from death. thanks for trying to disprove me without using any actual information at all.
“In these matches we typically don’t take into consideration a characters will to kill or else the matches would be biased towards one character. If we did half of D.C couldn’t even be in a fight on this sight.”
actually according to the rules we do include those things
oh and stop calling people fanboys when they are actually providing proof as to why sephiroth would win, people could equally say your an aang fanboy.
sephiroth has got this his ruthless personality will mean he will not hold back, his teleportation to avoid and close the gap between them, and he is fast enough to do all of these things before aang is able to put an adequate defense in place.
@cyborg-Since when? Name one match that a character lost cause he doesn’t kill. I double dare you. Also they are providing no proof what so ever. Their entire argument hinges on teleportation( a feat no one has actually provided in video or otherwise in current events since in Advent Children he didn’t do this)to get close enough for a sword strike which is quite impossible due to reasons rendered. And last me an Aang fanboy? Out of all the fucking characters in the world you pick Aang. A bald faggot with an arrow on his head who’s gayness ranks up there with Sephiroth? No I only like one character who actually likes women and is devoid of long flowing silver emo fag hair and lacks a borderline homosexual disposition towards women.
Anyways I’m going with Aang trying to kill Sephiroth unless admin says otherwise since these matches are, I don’t know, to the death. Having one character trying to kill the other why the other tries to “disable” his opponent is by far the most pointless thing ever and I think you guys are trying to skew events into the Seph’s favor. Superman? Never effected by this rule before. Batman? Negative. Green Lantern? No dice. This wasn’t even a factor in both Aang vs Garaa and Aang vs Kratos so why now?
havn’t seen avatar in a while-but during advent children didn’t sephiroth cut his way through a building vertically-with him going upwards?
is it just me or does FF like to throw the laws of physics out the window from time to time
i have no idea who’d win though
Just went looking up some of Sephiroth’s spells. Completely ignoring materia, he has Break, which “deals Earth damage and petrifies the target”; DeSpell, which dispels any magic in effect on the target (don’t know if you’d count bending as magic); Wall, which protects from both physical and magical damage; Shadow Flare, which “deals massive non-elemental damage”; and Pale Horse, which can either shrink Aang or turn him into a frog, permanently, and prevent him from using any special abilities or magic. He’s also capable of self-healing. If it makes any difference, his Bizzaro form is also capable of regenerating limbs (most notably his head), and his Safer form can inflict blindness and paralysis just by touching you. Also, Supernova does more than just damage, it also confuses the target, halves their speed by slowing them down in time, and prevents them from using magic (represented by the Confusion, Slow, and Silence status effects).
He also has one of each of the elemental materia (including Lightning), as well as Restore and Life mastered during the Nibelheim flashback, but seeing as he never uses them again afterwards I’ll assume he loses them somewhere along the way (probably got reabsorbed into the Lifestream or something).
I’ve also found several claims about Sephiroth on the wiki, including the using materia without actually having materia thing, as well as limited mind control, telekinesis, and more, but it was all completely unsourced, so I’ll ignore them unless someone can provide one. (This is just to keep other people from bringing them up. Probably won’t work, but still, points for trying).
“Those rocks won’t be used for defense. Aang will take about 4,000 20ft boulders condense into the size of his fist then launch it at Seph’s head at sonic speeds”
Is there any proof that Aang can launch those rocks at anywhere close to the speed of sound, and is there any proof that Aang can control up to and launch “hundreds and thousands” of those “compressed 400 ton” boulders all at once and still retain any level of precision?
“fire hot enough to instantly liquefy steel, and water thrown at high enough velocity to cut through steel”
How do you know this metal was steel?
Hmmmm would have thought this thread would garner more attention. Only 4 people debating is no fun.
As for what kind of metal it is, it is really confusing considering they have the concept of Tanks before the concept of a Hot Air Balloon, so their science is beyond confusing.
As for Seph’s Teleportation… “Sephiroth and Cloud fight in the ruins of Midgar. Though Cloud is exhausted by the effort, Sephiroth does not break a sweat. He is merely toying with his old foe, hoping to crush his spirit before killing Cloud.”
finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sephiroth#Final_Fantasy_VII:_Advent_Children
This is what we call Plot Induced Stupidity, as killing Cloud instantly would have mean his plan would be a success, but he wanted to break Cloud’s spirit. So while it is still debatable if he is capable of teleportation, it is higher possibility since he did display it without the aid of Materia.
@midnite
It actualy was mentioned on all aang vs debates, it did against kratos and gaara. Even when aang is in the avatar state he would halt a killing blow just to disable his opponent.
Melting iron, most likely, steel hasnt even been mentioned in the AvatarU.
@Midnite
Ha ha!!! Good one!!! I feel the same way about Aang and Sephiroth!!! They both suck!!!
fc03.deviantart.net/fs30/f/2008/085/5/3/Ganondorf_Vs__Sephiroth_by_BechnoKid.jpg
Looks like Ganondorf and Sephiroth would hate eachother if they met.
i know its not used often however the rule saying cis is used is usually more of a temporary thing…so aang wont be going for the kill straight away only if he gets into a bit of trouble.
while he didnt show it in advent children i dont see any reason why he couldn’t teleport other than he likes to annoy cloud when they fight.
Um……..what if Sephiroth use the heartless angel abilite, to instant kill Aang.
By the way who is wining?
@kev
depends who you ask
I will say it again
Who is wining in this debate, because I have to study for a test tomorrow.