Suggested by Anime Hero Kevin
Hailing from the Naruto universe, a master of the ninja arts, is Sasuke Uchiha. However, does he have what it takes to defeat the newest Dark Side apprentice from Star Wars? Or will the standard force choke and lightsaber combo finish him off.
What do you think?
You can do a lot more stuff with the jutsu’s in Naruto than the force in Star Wars. . .
Unless anakin has some form of duranium, I don’t see him winning.
At first, I figured that Sasuke could just use the replacement technique to deal a quick lethal blow. However, after thinking about it a moment, I realized that Anakin would likely easily be able to see through such illusions, thanks to his force perception. At this point, I think the fight would go something like this: Sasuke uses the replacement technique to trade places with a log, then sits back to see what Anakin does. Suddenly, Anakin turns and looks directly in Sasuke’s direction. He then throws his lightsaber, which slices through Sasuke’s waist. Before Sasuke’s organs can spill out, his flesh is cauterized by the heat of the light saber.
@Overlord, true, however, most of the jutsus are all about stealth and deception, which is something that won’t work very well against a force user, especially one as powerful as Anakin. His precog will show any attack before it lands, and he’s quick enough to deflect any pesky kunai.
eh, I don’t know the intricacies of either fighter’s arsenal. But… I think various force techniques could overcome the summoning or performance of *most* jutsus.
The only thing i’d wager Sasuke has that could potentially give him an advantage would be his teleporting-like speed.
He routinely just appears out of nowhere against various fighters in Naruto, some of them highly skilled or trained ninjas in their own right.
but, I don’t know exactly what all Anakin can do with the force, so I won’t say Sasuke’s speed constitutes a win.
Jedi and Sith both routinely reflect lazers and what not, I’m assuming their reaction time and such is tip top. Since that’s really all I know about the two of them, I’m not putting in my vote, it’s a toss up from my lacking viewpoint lol
I am not a fan of either…so they both lose.
Anywhow
How About:
God Enel vs Sasuke
@BD
Stomp for enel — one of, if not the most powerful elemental jutsu Sasuke ever pulled off was some big charge up where he redirected a natural lightning bolt down against his brother, and the guy watching them fight said something like “lightning hits the ground in a thousandth of a second, there’s no way it can be dodged”
So, since Enel can effectively blasts out copious amounts of lightning, and move/teleport at said speed, I think it’s pretty fair to say he’d wreck Sasuke VERY quickly lol.
Plus, as with all them’ logias, they get that intangibility factor. And Enel has his bonus mantra.
That’s my take on it anyway, perhaps someone more knowledgable about Naruto can support Sasuke, I’m just going off of vague memory.
are we using anakin before or after he becamedarth vader because (from the movies) anakin didnt seem to have a great deal of force ability, and swordplay very good doesnt have much on crazy ass fireballs
“are we using anakin before or after he becamedarth vader because (from the movies) anakin didnt seem to have a great deal of force ability, and swordplay very good doesnt have much on crazy ass fireballs”
Well, we are using the Anakin from SW ep3 in the battle against obiwan on mostafar.
& we are using Sasuke from the shippuden manga of today.
@Sparks
I asked my brother. He likes Naruto. I showed him Enel’s abilities, mantra included and he asked me if I disliked Naruto and its contents so much to even consider said fight.
Anakin killed all the jedis,padawans & masters in the jedi temple.
But if Sasuke use his final blow that is the Raikiri attack, that cant be dodge & go into ligthing speed, then Anakin is screw, but not from a great battle.
@AHK
Anakin is a known user of Force Speed. That coupled with the Force’s gift of precognition – Anakin said in the first movie that he just knew what to do in the pod races – could give him the means to dodge Raikiri.
This is what wookieepedia has on Force Speed:
“Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power that allowed the user to maintain sprinting speeds for a brief time. Greater aptitude granted greater boosts to speed and/or greater duration. The increased speed of the Force-user enabled them to see the world and the entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and attack quicker with greater accuracy. The power also apparently enabled the user to run for extended distances with no visible signs of fatigue. “
Force choke = GG Sasuke.
“Force choke = GG Sasuke.”
LOL.
mangekyou sharigan = GG Anakin.
If Anakin is using Force Speed, which he will, then Sasuke is screwed. Anakin will see his blows in slow motion and conjure up a nice counter.
Sharingan? As in that shitty eye power which damages his eyes and drains his powers?
Yeah, Anakins abilitiy to crush the ninja’s windpipe with a hand movement has NOTHING on that.
I did forget about the Sharingan genjutsu/illusion thing.
Anakin’s mind is pretty wrecked to begin with, he also has outbursts and doesn’t keep himself in check.
Naruto fans – would that increase his susceptibility to mind fuckery, as in is that how the Sharingan’s illusion technique works, is it based off of the mental stability of the victim?
Star Wars fans – Would Anakin’s knowledge/usage of the force offer any innate resistance to mental attacks and abilities?
Sasuke’s electricity is pretty useless I think Anakin can just redirect it, as are most of his ranged techniques since they do require the seals/hand signs to be used.
@BD
What is Anakin’s speed like, I know you said he could maintain a certain speed, but what kind of movement feats does he have in terms of on the spot motion. I know nothing of Anakin in the EU, but from the movies he didn’t strike me as a speedster.
@Sparks
Since we’re using Anikin pre-order 66 he’d have:
Force Speed
Force Push
Force Choke
Jedi Mind Trick
Force Jump
Force Sense(not listed but all Jedi are capable of sensing anything coming at them)
I have already provided info on Force Speed.
Another possible feat would be Energy Resistance:
“Energy Resistance was a Force power used by many Jedi, especially those fighting during the Jedi Civil War. Its main effect was to create a barrier of energy-absorbent force around the user, reducing the damage taken from energy weapons like blasters. Darth Revan may have known this power.
As the user gets more powerful through the force, they will be able to learn and make use of advanced forms of energy resistance.
This power was mainly used by light side Jedi.
Another, more advanced version of energy resistance, allowed the Force user to not only protect themselves but their allies as well. It granted immunity to poisons and disease, and absorbed a slightly higher amount of damage than energy resistance.”
@Sparks
My knowledge on Anakin is fairly limited. Were this Revan, The Jedi Exile or Darth Nihilus, I could tell you the extent of their might. As for Anakin, I’d go with the description he provided. I do have some books of Star Wars. I’ll delve into them for info regarding Anakin’s feats.
Current Sasuke? I very, very much think that Anakin gets curbstomped something serious even using his EU feats. Sasuke was at Rock Lee’s levels of speed way before the time skip and he has got quite a few power-ups since. Sasuke 9/10, with the 1 going to Anakin just in case I’m forgetting some amazing EU speed feat.
- ci
“Naruto fans – would that increase his susceptibility to mind fuckery, as in is that how the Sharingan’s illusion technique works, is it based off of the mental stability of the victim?”
Yes, that abilite can destroy the oponent from the inside for the 7 minutes.
@BD
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eod_Mh8t5JA at 2:49. Just an example, I mean Sasuke is a speed character — is there an instance where Anakin specifically has used that force speed?
And the energy resistance confirms what I said about ranged attacks, I doubt typical electricity or fire bursts will get past the likes of that.
The genjutsu though I’ll have to look into, last I remember it immediately went into effect if the sharingan holder locked eyes with the victim, but I vaguely rememebr Itachi and Sasuke just popping it out of nowhere.
I’m still thinking Anakin has the perception to see Sasuke during one of his speed blitzes, if that force speed is significant enough, i’ll gloss over some of Anakin’s fights or something.
“if that force speed is significant enough, i’ll gloss over some of Anakin’s fights or something.”
I’m doing that as we speak but the more the merrier.
Also, Force Sense:
“Force sense was one of the most basic Force abilities for a Jedi. It could be used to feel another being’s feelings, the future, ripples in the Force caused by momentous or traumatic events, impending danger and the presence of the dark side. A more concentrated, more directed form of this ability was likely how Jedi were able to see others without relying on their physical senses.
(…)
Jedi were also able to sense when a close friend or relative was in mortal danger great pain from great distances, sometimes as much as from 10,000 light years away”
@Kevin
I know what the technique does, I just am unfamiliar with how it is brought on. I know the eye contact thing is a sure way though.
Setting the speed aside for a second, I’m thinking Anakin is likely to be caught by that since Sasuke’s sharingan is like top notch hypno-business, as well as Anakin’s fractured state of mind and lack of emotional control.
The only thing that I can think of saving him from that is if the Dark Side offers some resistance, i’m not very well read in things concerning the Force and what all of it’s properties are though. I’m just putting out some scenarios is all.
Let’s see. . .Sasuke has the following abilities:
Summon snakes from any part of his body.
Summon Manda.
Advanced control of fire.
Electric Katana.
Kirin.
High Regeneration.
Both Sharingan’s.
Cursed Seal.
As effective as a lightsaber is, it doesn’t block massive balls of flame.
Also @ Kevin
According to the wiki, Sasuke’s sharingan doesn’t have the ability to alter the victim’s time perception like Itachi did in that video you posted.
But, he still can trap people in illusions and paralyze them, just not do the “thousand years” in a minute, or whatever Itachi did to torture kakashi lol
Sharingan is gonna mess up a great deal of Jedi (more specifically genjutsu). I don’t recall Anakin being one that used illusions of his own either. I suppose if caught in a genjutsu a Jedi could just close their eye try and block out the world and let the force guide them, like in lightsaber practice. Even then that’d cut their combat effectiveness.
I think Anakin would have to pull some Area of Effect Force Bursts to really stand a chance. But given the shear amount of options Sasuke has I’d give him a clear majority.
- chuck inglish
Um… Overlord, a lightsaber won’t block fire, that is true. However, there’s been many times through out the Star Wars series where every thing from energy blasts to large pile of rubble have been both thrown and blocked with the force. I very seriously doubt that Sasuke’s fire would be able to penetrate Anakin’s force shield.
@johnny
If anakin tries to use the force to hurl projectiles at him, well the lighting blade deals with that. If anakin tries to use the force, well, genjutsu negate that.
“I know what the technique does, I just am unfamiliar with how it is brought on. I know the eye contact thing is a sure way though.
Setting the speed aside for a second, I’m thinking Anakin is likely to be caught by that since Sasuke’s sharingan is like top notch hypno-business, as well as Anakin’s fractured state of mind and lack of emotional control.
The only thing that I can think of saving him from that is if the Dark Side offers some resistance, i’m not very well read in things concerning the Force and what all of it’s properties are though. I’m just putting out some scenarios is all.”
What about amaterasu.
@AHK
Amarerasu could be very effective. That coupled with the ability to send a massive bolt of lighting on your enemy at 1/1000 of a second gives, not to mention the abilities of the cursed seal, summoning, high regen, gives sasuke the win here.
“What about amaterasu.”
Yeah that could work since it actually ‘appears’ on the target guided by Sasuke’s sight and not a projectile.
But, if there’s a charge time on it, it may not be too helpful against someone that can choke him from a distance.
I think Sasuke will need to use a speed blitz or fire up his genjutsu from the get go to pull a win out. Any seals/hand techniques or what not will just likely lead to him getting caught in a force choke. But, he can paralyze with his eye techniques, then he could just use those black flames, that’d be a good combo.
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-UtR5mFKu8&feature=related.”
I meent this video not that video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt0_V_4jVPQ&feature=related. = the amaterasu.
@overlord, I’m just not sure that technique would work against a jedi as powerful as Anakin. From what I understand about the sharingan mind fuckery, it requires eye contact between the opponents. If that is true, I’m fairly sure that Anakin would be able to see it coming before Sasuke even thought to use it. Such is the power of precognitive abilities, Then, all Anakin would have to do is avoid direct eye contact.
If sasuke’s paralyed, the animal he summoned isn’t. Also, how would anakin know that sasuke’s hand symbols can be used offensively?
“overlord, I’m just not sure that technique would work against a jedi as powerful as Anakin. From what I understand about the sharingan mind fuckery, it requires eye contact between the opponents. If that is true, I’m fairly sure that Anakin would be able to see it coming before Sasuke even thought to use it. Such is the power of precognitive abilities, Then, all Anakin would have to do is avoid direct eye contact.”
He’d also have to avoid black fire, whatever sasuke summoned, sasuke’s lightning blade, lightning, and any genjutsu that comes his way.
I’m going with Anni. That little loser deserves a win.
Force speed, precognitive abilities, and force shield would be able to take care of most of the things you mentioned, overlord. As for the lightning, well, there’s been plenty of times that jedis have been shown to block lightning with a lightsaber, so I don’t think that would be to much of a big deal either. I seriously doubt the lightning blade would stand up to a lightsaber which is able to cut through materials that are hundreds upon hundreds of times more powerful than steel. “Whatever Sasuke summoned” also would not likely stand up to a lightsaber coupled with Anakin’s force speed and force jump abilities. Basically, no matter how big the summon, Anakin can use force speed and jump to quickly propel himself towards a headshot on the creature with a lightsaber. I don’t really know anything about this black fire, so some info on that would be good, but I going to go ahead and assume that it can either be blocked with the force, or dodged.
Please keep in mind, that due to precognition, Anakin will likely see most, if not all, of Sasuke’s attacks coming, moments before Sasuke even begins to execute. The only way I can see Sasuke killing Anakin is if he pours on an assault at extremely fast speeds with almost no wait time in between abilities and literally no resting time for Anakin. That is the only way to overcome the precognitive abilities, but it doesn’t seem to be the sort of tactics that Sasuke uses.
@Johnny Quest
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Sasuke normally uses a nonstop assualt on his enemies. Also, the ability to fuck with the enemies mind and genjutsu kinda screw anakin.
Couldn’t Energy Resistance allow Anakin to tank the Black Fire?
And dont forget about sasuke’s Susanoo abilite.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzeq3-7Y5as.
That abilite is a attacking shield that cant be penetrait.
@blood dancer
I doubt it. Has energy resistance ever been shown being used by anakin to block fire?
Interesting…
Is there a limit to Susanoo, or is there a specific condition for it to be summoned?
@AHK
Sasuke still has limitations to his abilities: His eyes start to bleed due to overusage and his chakra reserves deplete. The Force might strain the body but the Jedi are mentally and physically trained to counter that.
If Anakin manages to stay out of harmsway and uses the combination of Force Abilities that Johnnyquest mentioned, then he takes this in the long run
@Overlord
“Another, more advanced version of energy resistance, allowed the Force user to not only protect themselves but their allies as well. It granted immunity to poisons and disease, and absorbed a slightly higher amount of damage than energy resistance. ”
From Wookieepedia.
@AHK, that youtube link explained literally absolutely nothing. If Sasuke has a shield that “cannot be penetrated”, please show some real evidence.
@Overlord, except that I have already explained how Anakin could avoid that mind fuckery. Once again, if that hypnosis crap doesn’t require eye contact, then I’m wrong on this count. If, however, it does require eye contact, then I really don’t see Anakin having a problem dodging it. Also, could you give us a link to show one of these supposed onslaughts that Sasuke apparently routinely hands out?
“Couldn’t Energy Resistance allow Anakin to tank the Black Fire?”
Eh… no, the Energy Resistance ony protect anakin from Jedi or Sith force powers & Sasuke is not a Jedi nor a Sith and he dont have force powers, he have Chakara.
@blood dancer
Okay, but does it block fire? How much can it take?
@AHK
Energy resistance protects the Jedi from blaster shots and diseases as well? Do those look like Force abilities to you? No, they are not. Force resistance and Force immunity are the ones you want if you’re fighting another Jedi.
@Overlord
I’ll look into it. But if it can grant immunity from poisons and diseases…
@johhny quest
Here’s an example. In anakins pyscho state, the mind fuckery would be effective.
video.yahoo.com/watch/4359498/11700310
@AHK, that is a very flawed argument. Give me one cannon statement from either universe that states that the two powers wouldn’t work on each other.
@overlord, force shield can certainly block fire, as well as explosions. However, the duration, or amount of possible damage absorbed by the shield is undetermined.
@Overlord
What I am about to cite comes from the game itself but it should clear any doubt.
“Energy Resistance:
Prerequisites: Jedi
Description: This power shields the Jedi in the Force, absorbing the first 15 points of damage from sonic, fire, cold and electrical attacks. Damage over and above the first 15 points is suffered as normal. This effect lasts for 120 seconds. ”
Do note that the time limits are there because of game mechanics.
@JohnathanQuest (lol)
“The only way I can see Sasuke killing Anakin is if he pours on an assault at extremely fast speeds with almost no wait time in between abilities and literally no resting time for Anakin.”
You really wouldn’t need an ‘onslaught’ type scenario. I can’t find any specific instance of Anakin using the force speed, or an applicable scenario where any force-user has faced an opponent of Sasuke’s speed with or without force speed active.
So, even if Anakin DOES have this type of battle prcognition you’re suggesting, I haven’t noticed a fight of his where he would be physically capable of doing anything about it. His body doesn’t seem to move quick enough, simple as that.
@Overlord
Summons, and *most* jutsus are useless given the charge/preparation/hand gestures he’d need to use. He’s got to end it quick via blitz or illusion, or paralysis to Anakin.
@Whoever is bringing it up
The black fire technique isn’t a projectile, it’s summoned with Sasuke’s left eye I believe, it will appear on wherever he wants it to by looking at it, it’s referenced in the series as ‘unavoidable’
The only issue with it, is I don’t know the speed at which he performs the actual move. If that video kevin posted is any indication, he seems to have to close his eyes and concentrate, but since there wasn’t actual sound it’s hard to tell if it was just freezing to show his perspective. So I’m still unsure about it myself lol, but IF he summons the move, I don’t think it’d be blocked like his other projectiles, which actually travel to the target.
“@AHK, that youtube link explained literally absolutely nothing. If Sasuke has a shield that “cannot be penetrated”, please show some real evidence.”
OK, here you go
Look at the battle of itachi vs sasuke, & see Itachi’s Susanoo at the end.
what’s stopping anakin from crushing the ninja’s windpipe?
the time taken to initiate and execute the said choking is very small
“Itachi’s Susanoo at the end.”
Itachi’s susannoo is not Sasuke’s. Sasuke cannot keep for long periods of time without risking going blind or having his chakra depleted.
“Itachi’s susannoo is not Sasuke’s. Sasuke cannot keep for long periods of time without risking going blind or having his chakra depleted.”
But Sasuke learns to use it because Madara Uchiha teach him in the manga, & for the fact that when Itachi was about to die he give sasuke all his abilites to him.
“Since we’re using Anikin pre-order 66 he’d have”
its after order 66.
this cant be a serious fight can it? come on anakin rapes here. i dont see sasuke getting much in edge wise
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptHtN-sSHV4
a good example of some jumping and and telekenesis. he easily tosses away a large pillar, then uses the force to plow thru a force push.
Anakin could easily mind trick sasuke into seeing basically whatever he wants him to, i doubt sasuke has much defense for this. whereas anakin force senses would still be able to detect the real world just fine even if caught in a genjutsu. since there is no proof that genjutsu disrupt connection with the force. sasukes speed is hard to qualify, he makes short little bursts of speed
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWszuVlKRiY (2:16-2:31) example of the asaji ventress’ speed, which anakin bested.
telekenesis keeps sasuke from going anywhere while he gets choked to death. anakin can crumble stone with the force, not much stopping him from doing that to sasukes bones or organs.
IMO, not much of a fight here the first move sasuke makes against anakin will be his last…or since anakin is an agressive fighter he might just kill sasuke immediately.
Please don’t use AMVs as a reference. Also, Sparks, there have been quite a few scenes where jedi have been shown to deflect lasers from up to 5 or so blaster rifles. Even with precognitive abilities, the speed required of such a feat is beyond anything remotely human. Most jedi have been shown to easily deflect laser shots with just a flick of the wrist, showing astounding speed, reflexes, and precision. Among all jedi (from the movies anyway), Anakin is attributed to being almost prodigal in his usage of a lightsaber. To say that his body “just doesn’t move quick enough” seems a little ridiculous. To prove that to me, you’d have to prove that Sasuke can move at least two or three times faster than a blaster round. That’s before Anakin even breaks a sweat.
“for the fact that when Itachi was about to die he give sasuke all his abilites to him.”
Itachi gives him the eyes not the technique. really, read between the lines.
here the fact that Sasuke can PWN Anakin.
AMV’s should not be taken into account as canon, IMO
From what Ive gathered from people who know about EU Anakin, he should have some insanely fast movement and reaction speed (Even as Vader, I recall him reating fast enough to block blaster fire). And given that the majority of Naruto characters aren’t insanely fast, I can see Anakin just force-choking the bitch.
@AHK, I don’t even know where to begin with criticizing that video. Lets see…: Firstly, it’s not exactly cannon, as the original video has been altered. It has been cut in several areas, leaving out possibly important things, the video has been sped up, causing the characters’ movement speeds to be deceptively fast. Also, I see nothing in that video that Anakin would have much trouble with, in terms of what Sasuke does. Sasuke appears to move quickly, but even with the increased speed of the video, resulting in Sasuke moving faster than normal, he still isn’t moving as quickly as a blaster round, meaning that he can be hit by Anakin’s lightsaber. Also, none of his attacks appear to be powerful enough to penetrate a force shield, or to do any lasting damage to Anakin… if they could even hit him to begin with.
Anakin’s been on the defense for a while against you Naruto fans, so let’s see how he does on offense. What does Sasuke have that can block a lightsaber? What does Sasuke have that can block force choke, or counter mind trick?
You Naruto fans claim that Sasuke’s end all move is that genjetsu thing that temporarily paralyzes someone, but I have yet to see a battle where Sasuke starts out using that particular ability. In fact, Sasuke seems to follow the typical anime mantra: start out with your weakest move, and only pull out the big guns when you’re getting your ass kicked. However, Anakin normally moves in for the kill pretty quickly. He won’t miss his chance if he’s given one, and given how Sasuke normally fights, Anakin will have plenty of chances to pop a force choke and a saber throw, resulting in the loss of Sasuke’s head.
@Asger
Johnnyq’s post #38 pretty much covers all Anakin needs to deal with Sasuke. Also, add to that Energy Resistance which can protect from fire.
Even is Sasuke didn’t use jutsus, his Sharingan alone could top a force user’s precog. That and Susanoo would end the lightsaber pretty quickly. If Anakin landed a heavy hit, Sasuke also has his cursed seal form. I think Sasuke has the upper hand here.
“So, even if Anakin DOES have this type of battle prcognition you’re suggesting, I haven’t noticed a fight of his where he would be physically capable of doing anything about it. His body doesn’t seem to move quick enough, simple as that.”
speed is barely a factor. jedi sense then react before the opponent even makes his move. provenn in the fight with asaji ventress the only fool proof method of getting thru precog is to overwhelm the jedi with attacks from all sides in quick succession. main reason its hard to compare speeds is because in clone wars the camrea is trained to the combatants meaning when they force speed the camera follows them. however.
AHK’s video proved that sasukes combat speed is peak human a little above at best, still he can blitz in the beginning
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgsPyI7PmN4&feature=fvst
not unbeatable fast not to mention that sasukes sword is worthless here.
also susanoo is worthless here as well.
fireballs will be thrown aside with telekenesis, the same with chidori senbon, the sasukes large fireballs that look as if they were drawn by sai can be avoided with bursts of speed, and theres no such thing as a unavoidable attack, should sasuke go thru the long charge period or kirin he will be choked or crushed or anakin will chuck his lightsaber at him. or he’ll mind trick him into attacking something somewhere else.
sasukes speed is a small factor here he doesnt blitz, blitz, blitz, all day just small burst to attack and defend. he didnt use that amazing cant be seen speed much in the fight against killerbee or itachi.
Well, that pretty much fucks sasuke. . .I concede.
I’m not questioning Anakin’s force powers, they’re strong enough to get Sasuke if he catches him, catching him is the actual issue.
www.watchanimeon.com/naruto-shippuden-episode-116/
at 14:45 when he pushes off, he does his blur movements as is typical of him. And then procedes to pop around and take out groups of people relatively quickly. And this isn’t a serious fight mind you. Also, the video I posted 22, at 2:49 — there he just flexes nuts and does his speed blitz, which as pointed out by Sakura (who also is not technically a ‘normal human’) happened without her registering it at all.
vid from 22, at 2:49 is his teleport speeds. www.youtube.com/watch?v=eod_Mh8t5JA
Bear with me, I have to sift through Naruto episodes since some of these clips aren’t on youtube or featured in amvs somewhere. There is an episode within the first 90 of shippuden where Sasuke takes a large number of ninjas out in an open field for Orichimaru, i’m digging around for that.
“example of the asaji ventress’ speed”
Which also doesn’t appear to be on par with Sasuke’s.
“there have been quite a few scenes where jedi have been shown to deflect lasers from up to 5 or so blaster rifles. Even with precognitive abilities, the speed required of such a feat is beyond anything remotely human. Most jedi have been shown to easily deflect laser shots with just a flick of the wrist, showing astounding speed, reflexes, and precision”
Sasuke’s speed routinely does not appear visible, again as evidence by Sakura’s questioning in the video in post 22.
Also, has there ever been an instance where a Jedi (or more appropriately, Anakin) has stopped/caught/redirected these said blaster shots mid-motion with the force?
Also @ Johnathan, how quickly do said blaster rounds move exactly, I mean what’re they clocked at? And to reiterate, has Anakin ever knocked them out of the air, or what’s the story on that.
((apologies if this post appears out of order, I kept having to reopen tabs while I was searching around wikis and sites for episode summaries lol))
In this video you will see Sasuke speed of sound when Naruto,Sakura etc etc, are seeing Sasuke, then Sasuke appears at front of naruto in seconds and beat the crap out of him and his team mates.
“In this video you will see Sasuke speed of sound when Naruto,Sakura etc etc, are seeing Sasuke,”
Where does it say that Sasuke moves at the speed of sound? We have provided veritable sources for Anakin. He will see Sasuke in slow motion through the use of Force Speed.
“Even is Sasuke didn’t use jutsus, his Sharingan alone could top a force user’s precog. That and Susanoo would end the lightsaber pretty quickly. If Anakin landed a heavy hit, Sasuke also has his cursed seal form. I think Sasuke has the upper hand here.”
typical fanwanking.
proof that the sharingan tops force sense? last i checked not many weapons like blasters in Naruto. never seen sasuke dodge or block attacks he couldnt see, hell he fails to avoid attacks he CAN see. the problem is the sharingan tracks everything that moves. its enhanced vision meaning his perception can become conveluted like it did in when he fought killerbee, he was so busy looking at all the swords that he didnt see killers kick coming. whereas a jedi senses the attack prior to its release and they know where to gaurd, dodge or what force power to use in response.
susanoo=worthless anakin can still choke or crush him.
“If Anakin landed a heavy hit, Sasuke also has his cursed seal form. I think Sasuke has the upper hand here.”
i had to chop this out because of how amazingly stupid it sounds…if anakin lands a heavy hit it will kill sasuke unless all of a sudden sasuke can get hit with a lightsaber a survive? the lightsabers gonna go straight thru saskue and cursed form provides no defense from mind trick, a lightsaber, or force powers. so sasuke is still in the same boat. which is fucked.
“fireballs will be thrown aside with telekenesis, the same with chidori senbon, the sasukes large fireballs that look as if they were drawn by sai can be avoided with bursts of speed, and theres no such thing as a unavoidable attack, should sasuke go thru the long charge period or kirin he will be choked or crushed or anakin will chuck his lightsaber at him. or he’ll mind trick him into attacking something somewhere else.”
Show some proof.
“We have provided veritable sources for Anakin. He will see Sasuke in slow motion through the use of Force Speed.”
Show some proof.
“Show Me some proof”
Since you insist. There, that’s what Force Speed does.
“Force speed, also known as burst of speed or Force sprint, was a core Force power that allowed the user to maintain sprinting speeds for a brief time. Greater aptitude granted greater boosts to speed and/or greater duration. The increased speed of the Force-user enabled them to see the world and the entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and attack quicker with greater accuracy. The power also apparently enabled the user to run for extended distances with no visible signs of fatigue.”
Do you even know what Telekinesis does?
Anakin is not that fast, if anakin is as fast as you claim then Sasuke use his Sharingan to see him in slow motion and rape him up.
oh the force?!?! Sasuke can do his genjutsu to to confuse anakin, and when anakin is busy looking for the real sasuke, then sasuke will speed blitz him before that anakin knows where Sasuke is hiden.
And OVER.
Maybe you Naruto fans are having a hard time grasping this. Unless Sasuke can close distance with, attack, and kill Anakin before he even has time to flinch, I really don’t see Anakin losing. From the second that the decision to attack enters Sasuke’s mind, the force is already making Anakin aware of where the attack will come from, where it will hit, and when it will hit. This is the power of precognition. Even if Sasuke is capable of moving faster than the eye can track, it does not matter, simply because Anakin will already be countering the attack when Sasuke gets within melee range. Anything that Sasuke can do outside of melee range can also easily be blocked via force shield or force speed. Genjetsu isn’t worth a damn when Anakin can see it coming before it even happens and therefore avoid eye contact.
@BD
He means show Anakin doing the force speed I think… I don’t know what Kevin’s intentions are in general though 8)
@Dark
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VB_vjVxcic&feature=related
What exactly is the precog that keeps getting brought up. I’m not saying he has none by the way, I just mean how does it work. The Sith lady was able to hide at one point, and able to toss a log at him and smack him, which isn’t faster than a blaster or Sasuke. Same with the rocks and all that.
Also, she doesn’t really seem to display her previously shown speeds in that fight except in a few instances where she is retreating. The same way Sasuke didn’t just teleport around Killer Bee, even though there is precedent of him doing it before ninjas can register (again* Sakura)
one-naruto.blogspot.com/2009/01/naruto-shippuden-92.html
at around 11:45 is when it starts. He fights a thousand sound ninjas. He performs multiple slashes in single strokes, which is a testament to his fighting speed for one.
At roughly… 13:57 he does his teleport speed (for NO reason lol)
“Since you insist. There, that’s what Force Speed does.”
Not that proof, a video that can show everything that you say about anakin.
@AHK, Anakin does possess the power of Force Speed which was shown earlier in a quote from the Star Wars Wikia. Also, Blood Dancer’s quote is from the same page. Also, if Sharingan has the ability to show its user the opponent moving in slow motion, I’d like some definite proof of that feat, in the form of an ability description. Video will not work to prove this for me, as slow motion in an anime doesn’t mean shit. Also, I’ve already explained why Sasuke’s attacks will never land in the post above. Clearly, you underestimate the power of precognition.
Lol, clearly AHK suggested this battle in the hopes of actually winning the debate but his plan backfired. Fail…
Also, Kevin. When a Jedi uses Force Speed he sees his surroundings in slow motion and that includes Sasuke, that coupled with Force Precognition make Anakin the victor here.
In KOTOR I, I used a combo of energy resistance and master speed (An improved version of Force Speed) and speed raped Malak…
“In KOTOR I, I used a combo of energy resistance and master speed (An improved version of Force Speed) and speed raped Malak…”
Me too!
Anakin wins.
@AHK, video proof is not required. Video proof is only one form of canon in this instance. For example, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic is actually canon, even though it is a completely different form of media. As such, the power and ability descriptions in said game are completely canon. Many of the books are also canon. A direct quote from Lucas Licensing: “The Star Wars canon consists of the six Star Wars feature films, along with all officially licensed, non-contradicting spin-off works to the six films.”
That makes every single star wars game that is non contradicting, as well as all licensed books that are non contradicting, canon. If a book states that all jedi have precognition, then that’s just how it is. We don’t have to give you video proof of it, because video is not the only canon for Star Wars.
@Sparks
Kevin wants to win a debate and thus our respect.
Force Precognition? The ability to predict what’s coming at you? Anakin said when he met Qui Gon that he could sense what was coming and therefore have success in the pod races. Jedi can see what’s coming at them.
How is the combat in KoToR anyway from a gameplay standpoint?
I’ve been thinking about picking it up since it’s such a rave on this site. But I read about the gameplay and I turn it down lol.
Is it like.. Mass Effect 2 where you have some control?
or Dragon Age: Origins where you just select a target and periodically pick an ability?
And besides, Wookieepedia is veritable source of information
@Sparks
It’s like Dragon Age but more Dynamic. Give it a try, boss. You won’t be dissapointed
Approximately 45 seconds in: Force Speed. It doesn’t show during automated approach of an enemy, but after he kills the first one, you can see the effect. Notice that the character is moving so quickly that it causes a motion blur. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wmYHwXNJXA
Oh, and the funniest part: this is canon.
@Johnnyquest
You ninja’d me on that vid, lol.
Also, the time limits are game mechanics, just like the fact that Kyle Katarn can have so many weapons on him at once or if you prefer the Force meter.
I’ll take a look.
The graphics that Johnathan posted looked better than some of the other youtube vids I saw. I wasn’t a huge fan of DAO’s combat, but.. I doubt this game would be expensive anyway. I’ll keep an eye out for it lol
@ Blood Dancer, Did I? Seems like I keep stealing your ideas, lol. But yea, outside of game mechanics, all canon, so hopefully some proof of super natural speed will put a sock in the mouths of Naruto fanboys.
Sparks, please stop calling me that.
So, If Anakin Ditto’s me and uses Energy Resistance and Force Speed, he should end the fight pretty quickly, don’t you agree?
Well.. now of course I can’t stop calling you that.
Same way with Charles Inglish, ace. I just properize (real word!?!?!) names that end in Y
@BD
Nah, that’d be contradicting you boys’ previous claims of character discretion.
That’s why I was asking for a vid of anakin doing it. I hold no ties to Kevin’s reasoning, whatever it is 8)
Johnny is not short for Johnathan (proper spelling: Jonathan). Further more, it is a reference to www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okib94BZdjs ( just listen to the epic music lol). Also, my RL name is John, just John, not Jonathan, or Johnny, or anything else, which people have a hard time understanding. I actually got into a pretty heated argument with someone about that before. He insisted that no one is named “just John” and that my name must be short for something. The argument ended when I stabbed him in the throat and kicked is corpse into a ditch. So as you can see, I’m somewhat passionate on the subject.
@Sparks
SW canon is aproved on various levels as long as it doesn’t contradict G-Canon, which is Lucas’ canon. A normal person would accept the description I provided from Wookieepedia – which happens to be a reliable source. The vid was thrown in out of AHk’s insistance. Needless to say, it proves the description a I provided – minus game mechanics
So do you want your real name of John, or screen name Johnny?
@BD
That’s not the same thing as character discretion. I’m not debating if Anakin has the knowledge to do stuff.
Sasuke can seemingl ‘teleport.’ as in move to one place to another without being visible.
He can also deliver multiple sword slashes while only ‘seeming’ to move his sword in a single motion.
But according to you two, due to this not being a common practice of his, he wouldn’t use it in the fight, EVEN though he has demonstrated the ability.
Likewise here, when has Anakin specifically been said to have used the attack.
@Sparks
I see boss…forgive me.
Here it goes:
“The Jedi Generals Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda, Ki-Adi-Mundi, and Aayla Secura, were all known to use the Force to enhance their speed in battle.”
From Wookieepedia