Suggested by Negative Zero
Here we have a long overdue match. First of is Hall of Fame winner Link of the Legend of Zelda franchise up against Sora from Kingdom Hearts.
For this match, both characters have everything from all their games at their disposal.
The fanboy in me really wants Link to win, but I’m not sure it would happen.
What say you?
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Wait, everything from either game regardless of wether or not they actually wielded it??? Is this true negative zero?
Sora probably has more mobility or agility but link does have that mountain pile of items seems to almost always give him an advantage.
I think Link wins, since he’s got everything from all his games.
I don’t know much about Sora, but I don know that Link is almost always overpowered.
Unless it is Combined Link then Sora will take this. In terms of fun the more recent Links have had better the equipment but in terms of combat effectiveness the older Links have had the better equipment. Current Incarnation Rule… blah blah blah….
link for the win. . .
“both characters have everything from all their games at their disposal.”
That pretty much means Ultimate Link: The Composite Link.
So Four Swords, that invincibility thing that costs Rubies, the jumping feather, various spells, I doubt Sora has anything that can match this. It can essentially be 4 on 1.
Link pretty much wins this Sora isn’t resistant t poly morphing.
That still depends on where you draw the line of “character” in that statement. I for one understand it as a single incarnation of Link which means to mean that that whole statement still does not mean a Compostie Link and Sora would still (probably) stomp Link.
I see all of the Links as differant characters (except the split Links the Four Sword causes because that is one Link being forced to become many by an atrifact) because while they are reincarnations of each other they don’t actively recall any past lives. Sometimes it is a question if they even can recall anything from a past life even subconsciously. And then there is the fact that Wind Waker Link is a totally new Link that is completely seperate from the lineage of OoT Link from whom most Link either come from or progress to. That would mean that there are at least two spirits of Link that reincarnate down through the ages so even if you assume that the word “characters” refers to the spirit of Link that is reincarnated throughout the series you are still looking at a split in the total arsenal.
The only way that works is if you take every character ever by the name of Link and combined them into one, but if you do that then you have added two or three Gorons into there too for no other reason for their name.
This is why I keep saying that the Link in question should be either defined in the match set up or have the current incarnation rule restrict everything to just that… the personal expirences and arsenal of that one particular instance of Link.
Besides Combined Link is non-canon, and that is the part that irks me the most about using him in debates.
“Sora probably has more mobility or agility”
I wouldn’t quite count Link out in speed. After all in a Link to the Past he shows his speed when wearing the pegasus boots as he is able to outrun an arrow even after he shoots it.
“Link pretty much wins this Sora isn’t resistant t poly morphing.”
Aye, easily shown when losing out to Luxord or a gambler
Nonetheless, with all his items he has too many attack and defense capabilities. Considering that many have a rather large area of effect, I don’t think that Sora can walk away from this.
‘I wouldn’t quite count Link out in speed. After all in a Link to the Past he shows his speed when wearing the pegasus boots as he is able to outrun an arrow even after he shoots it. ‘
Doesn’t the bunny hood also increase Link’s speed by a bit too?
So Link=hyrulian batman?
“Nonetheless, with all his items he has too many attack and defense capabilities. Considering that many have a rather large area of effect, I don’t think that Sora can walk away from this.”
of course not he fighting the skills set of about 8 fucking people, this match is biased bullshit. it takes all the power of every charcter named link to put down sora? shit link my win the fight but sora wins the Badass points.
“Aye, easily shown when losing out to Luxord or a gambler.”
you must mean how even though he was polymorph he could still fight and eventually change back. but idk what happened the entire thing was more like a gameplay element since in reality you would be able to reflect magic and attacks that are directed at you. it was one of those unavoidable moments in the boss fight.
“I wouldn’t quite count Link out in speed. After all in a Link to the Past he shows his speed when wearing the pegasus boots as he is able to outrun an arrow even after he shoots it.”
which is not enough to go against sora, who casually defies gravity, blocks lasers from multiple directions, and moves so fast he disappears.
thinking about it a bit more, sora actual can win this, with all 5 forms, and all his magic plus his natural combat abilities hes got link outclassed to the point where links timestop is pointless because sora can cast his first.
all sora has to do is use his control magic to keep link in line, and fight smart he should win this with few problems.
This is a close match. . .What are some of link and sora’s feats?
“This is why I keep saying that the Link in question should be either defined in the match set up or have the current incarnation rule restrict everything to just that… the personal expirences and arsenal of that one particular instance of Link.”
I would guess it’s the combined Links that are known as the Hero of Time (AKA, the playable Links). Because not many games have a Link that had more then one game.
Sora gets shot by a shotgun at 14 in KH, took minimal damage. In KHII the same hapened with a flintlock pistol, except he could reflect the bullet back at the pirate with his keyblade. He could also move faster than the eye could see in the xigbar boss fight, and even cut buildings and send them flying at the final boss.
I dont think link could handle that, especialy when you add in spels.
sora wielding two ultimata weapons, hiliarious. also because he gets everything sora gets all his slieghts. in addition to everything else. with his sleights i sense an OHKO. having to do with stop+warp
Sora’s Sleights
Attack Sleights
Sliding Dash- Slide toward distant targets for a close-range attack.
Stun Impact-Stun surrounding enemies with a single attack.
Strike Raid- Hurl the Keyblade forward, stunning and dealing damage to enemies in its path.
Blitz-Deliver up to three blows in a powerful jumping combo upon the enemy.
Sonic Blade-Rocket across the field, striking down any enemies in the way for up to seven attacks.
Ars Arcanum-Rain a flurry of up to thirteen attacks upon the enemy.
Ragnarok-Leap into the air and fire a stream of rays in front of you. Use the left analog stick to determine the direction of fire.
Trinity Limit-Inflict heavy damage on all enemies in sight.
Magic Slieghts
Fira-Sizzle the opposition with powerful fire magic.
Firaga-Scorch the opposition with supreme fire magic.
Blizzara-Chill the opposition with powerful ice magic.
Blizzaga-Freeze the opponent with supreme ice magic.
Thundara-Shock the opposition with powerful lightning magic.
Thundaga-Fry the opposition with supreme lightning magic.
Cura-Restore a lot of HP.
Curaga-Restore a very large amount of HP.
Gravira-Deal damage relative to the enemy’s remaining HP.
Graviga-Deal wide-range damage relative to the enemies’ remaining HP.
Stopra-Halt enemy movement for a long period of time.
Stopga-Halt enemy movement for a very long period of time.
Aerora-Blow away surrounding enemies and inflict damage.
Aeroga-Blow away all enemies in a large radius and inflict damage.
Fire Raid- Hurl the Keyblade and inflict fire damage.
Blizzard Raid -Hurl the Keyblade and inflict ice damage.
Thunder Raid-Hurl the Keyblade and inflict lightning damage.
Gravity Raid-Hurl the Keyblade and trigger Gravity upon impact.
Stop Raid-Hurl the Keyblade and trigger Stop upon impact.
Judgment-Hurl the Keyblade toward the enemy for multiple attacks.
Reflect Raid-Hurl the Keyblade and make it ricochet around to strike many
enemies.
Magnet Spiral-Pull multiple enemies closer before attacking them.
Lethal Frame-Stop time and deal multiple blows on an enemy.
Homing Fira-Cast a Fira spell that seeks out the targeted enemy.
Firaga Break-Inflict fire damage on enemies in front of you with a powerful attack.
Mega Flare-Incinerate all enemies in a wide area.
Homing Blizzara-Cast a Blizzara spell that seeks out the targeted enemy.
Aqua Splash-Spray melted ice at the enemy over a period of time, inflicting ice damage.
Shock Impact Simba’s roar sends enemies flying and triggers Stop.
Tornado-Blow away enemies in a wide area, inflicting damage and stunning them.
Freeze-Freezes nearby enemies. Attacking a frozen enemy deals greater damage.
Quake-Inflict damage on all ground enemies with a violent tremor.
Warpinator-Eliminate the closest enemy. Not always successful.
Warp-Eliminate all enemies in sight.
Bind-Hold enemies in place. Enemies can still attack from their positions.
Confuse-Temporarily confuse enemies so they attack less often.
Firaga Burst-Shoot a large fireball into the air and rain down small fireballs over a wide area.
Terror-Strike fear in the enemy so they no longer approach.
Synchro-Set surrounding enemies’ HP to that of the target.
Teleport-Rematerialize behind the targeted enemy, stunning it for a short time.
Holy-Inflict damage on a targeted enemy and all surrounding enemies.
Raging Storm-Three fiery tornadoes appear around Sora, dealing damage to enemies as they hit. Use the left analog stick to control the direction of attack.
“I would guess it’s the combined Links that are known as the Hero of Time (AKA, the playable Links). ”
Your own statement contradicts itself since only OoT/MM Link was known as the Hero of Time.
LoZ/AoL Link was the Hero of Hyrule
LttP/LA Link was the “descendand of the Knights of Hyrule” or something like that
OoT/MM Link was the Hero of Time
Oracles Link was the Hero of the Essence of Nature and Time
WW/PH Link was the Hero of Winds and the Herof Chosen by the Ocean King
TP Link was the Hero Chosen By The Gods
MC LInk might have been the second Hero of Men
as far as I know FS/FSA Link had no special title
and ST Link is the Royal Engineer
Only OoT/MM Link was refered to as the Hero of Time.
I prefer link. I actually grew up playing ocarina of time and sora’s a douche with a dull key sword that doesn’t slice it only whacks people on the head.
-chuck inglish
“I prefer link. I actually grew up playing ocarina of time and sora’s a douche with a dull key sword that doesn’t slice it only whacks people on the head.”
not only did that add nothing to the debate, but it is also false. please use facts in your posts.
Or you could read chuck……
“not only did that add nothing to the debate, but it is also false”
dude what’s your problem
-C i
dont turn attention to me….you made a post that was flatout false and biased. you didnt add any materal to consider. i simply stated that you should debate with facts…..ive had enough of taking part in derailed threads.
“dont turn attention to me….you made a post that was flatout false and biased. you didnt add any materal to consider. i simply stated that you should debate with facts…..ive had enough of taking part in derailed threads.”
Right now I need you to mute all the monologue All that talkin is gon’ give me a tylenolYou put a nigga to sleep, I’m tired of ya’ll Right now chuckisdope is signing off
-chuckisdope
“Your own statement contradicts itself since only OoT/MM Link was known as the Hero of Time.”
Really? I keep hearing people refer to him as that despite the game. So among those playable links, how many are the Gorgons you refer to?
sora doesnt get and FP award for this stomp.
ive also wondered, doesnt soras powers facilitate safe polymorphs as well as insuring hostile polymorphs arent permanant as well as allowing him to keep some of his powers?
Something tells me this is going to be very similar to the Cloud vs Link thread.
“sora wins the Badass points.”
Now THAT is false. What is so badass about a whiny little bitch with big ass shoes? That statement proved to me that you truly are a KH fanboy.
All Link would have to do is stop time with the Phantom Sword, drink Chatue Romani, and then use the Cane of Byrna to make himself invincible and have unlimited magic for 3 whole days. After that its all just a matter of time before Sora dies.
“sora wins the Badass points.”
Now THAT is false. What is so badass about a whiny little spikey haired idiot with clown shoes? That statement proved to me that you truly are a KH fanboy.
(I had to retype this comment due to moderation.)
I hearby issue a challenge to all factpilers. The challenge is to find a picture of Sora that is cooler than these 2 pictures of Link.
fc02.deviantart.com/fs49/f/2009/188/a/0/Manly_Link_by_GENZOMAN.jpg
www.ragingspaniard.com/gallery/illustrations/legend_of_zelda.jpg
If you can acomplish such an impossible task you will be rewarded with 10,000 Negative Zero points.
“Unless it is Combined Link then Sora will take this. In terms of fun the more recent Links have had better the equipment but in terms of combat effectiveness the older Links have had the better equipment. Current Incarnation Rule… blah blah blah….”
Dude is it really THAT hard to read the freakin’ battle senarios?!? This IS combined Link!!! They both get EVERYTHING from all of thier games!!! Link is gonna kick some spikey haired ass.
“you must mean how even though he was polymorph he could still fight and eventually change back. but idk what happened the entire thing was more like a gameplay element since in reality you would be able to reflect magic and attacks that are directed at you. it was one of those unavoidable moments in the boss fight”.
He changes forms on certain worlds by just being there as well.
links got this, link is way more experiance than sora, sora would be lucky to get a hit in, besides that if it came down to it, the feirce diety mask would own sora hard.
plus link has bare minimal of 20 bottlres, thats only counting 5 games, for faries but i doubt hes going to need them in the first place.
on top of that he can have infinite magic so the magic amor would last for three days, also the golden armor, combined with every rupee links ever had from every game i doubt that link is even going to be touched here, even if he didnt have all that he has a shit ton of defenseive improvements, so he would be at full hearts so he could pull off long ranged attacks.
even then link has the four sword so he would outnumber sora 4 -1
links also alot stronger than sora with the golden gaunlets, link could just bury under a mountain of boulders.
all of soras projectile magic spells would be reflected back at him with the mirror sheild. link can freeze as well as sora and can do an AoE fire spells
all the blowback effects sora has would be canceled out with the iron boots.
This is a deadly combo right here, song of storms plus the medalion of storms, soras flying would be a disadvantage, incuding the fact that hed be wet from the rain.
if this fight laster longer that the unlimited magic, sora might be able to have an advantage, but i still doubt it, the great diety mask it still the greatest trump card
@shiekx
Awsome points. Final Form Sora meet Fierce Deity Link!!!
“links got this, link is way more experiance than sora, sora would be lucky to get a hit in, besides that if it came down to it, the feirce diety mask would own sora hard.”
it does what exactly? dont answer it doesnt matter if link is frozen in time
“plus link has bare minimal of 20 bottlres, thats only counting 5 games, for faries but i doubt hes going to need them in the first place.”
with link frozen in time sora will just keep putting him down over and over again. not to mention faires cant bring him back if hes beheaded, incenerated, shattered, OHKOed via warpinator or crushed.
“on top of that he can have infinite magic so the magic amor would last for three days, also the golden armor, combined with every rupee links ever had from every game i doubt that link is even going to be touched here, even if he didnt have all that he has a shit ton of defenseive improvements, so he would be at full hearts so he could pull off long ranged attacks.”
which wont matter since he wont get the time to do anything….you know frozen in time and all that jazz.
“links also alot stronger than sora with the golden gaunlets, link could just bury under a mountain of boulders.”
proof? sora dribbles 5x5ft metalic heartless and baseball bats skyscrapers….care to add some proof of links “claimed” superior strength? besides it doesnt matter how stong link is he’ll be frozen in time.
“all of soras projectile magic spells would be reflected back at him with the mirror sheild. link can freeze as well as sora and can do an AoE fire spells”
oh no AoE spells!!!!!….like sora doesnt have any. projectile spells are at the mercy of the keyblade or reflect, AoE spells are at the mercy of reflect, and with soras reaction speed he’ll be able to defend himself from any projectile or melee attack link can throw….also with those fast relfexes he’ll freeze link in time.
“This is a deadly combo right here, song of storms plus the medalion of storms, soras flying would be a disadvantage, incuding the fact that hed be wet from the rain.”
what the fuck are you talking about? sora can already leap twice his height and glide thru the air with by utilizing air effect. him flying is not a disadvantage idk how you came to that conclusion. and him being wet is a problem how?
“all the blowback effects sora has would be canceled out with the iron boots.”
congrats you know how to commit no limits fallacy…you just claimed that no matter what link cant be blown back because of the iron boots? care to show the iron boots being used outside of gameplay so we can see exactly what their limit is because they are just iron boots. and iron shoes arent heavy enough to withstand tornadeos
“if this fight laster longer that the unlimited magic, sora might be able to have an advantage, but i still doubt it, the great diety mask it still the greatest trump card.”
if link had decent reaction speed this fight would be interesting…also you made a million claims and didnt explain jackshit. youre first task is to explain how link escapes soras control magics to mount this offensive you speak of.
so get cracken.
doesnt anybody have a good arguement for link?
I believe I agree with some of the earlier posts about this situation. If all the Links were merged together (as someone brought up the very valid point they are NOT the same person) then I would have to say this would be an awesome and world shattering fight between the two of them.
However given the picture posted and the fact they are separate characters and no new details (that I read) were offered I’m looking at just that one Link.
Also, Sora too is far more limited than what people are posting; he doesn’t have his drive forms for this match. Those require him to have backup and team mates. He would be solo for this match and thus no transformations at all.
Regardless, in terms of a straight up sword match Sora takes the cake. He isfaster than the eye can see, capable of cleaving full buildings in two with a single slash, takes minimal damage from even a light saber (coughxemnaswindbladecough), etc.
All in all Link could whip out virtually anything he wants and all Sora would do is get a reaction command. Then pressing triangle he’d dodge/reflect/something and end the fight right there.
Says a lot considering I hate the character. Riku should’ve been the main dude.
“Then pressing triangle he’d dodge/reflect/something and end the fight right there.”
Isn’t that just a game mechanic?
“it does what exactly? dont answer it doesnt matter if link is frozen in time”
Link can freeze time too dumbass!!!
“which wont matter since he wont get the time to do anything….you know frozen in time and all that jazz.”
Like I said before and all that jazz.
“oh no AoE spells!!!!!….like sora doesnt have any. projectile spells are at the mercy of the keyblade or reflect, AoE spells are at the mercy of reflect, and with soras reaction speed he’ll be able to defend himself from any projectile or melee attack link can throw….also with those fast relfexes he’ll freeze link in time.”
Link can just use Thunder to completely obliterate Sora with an unreflectable blast of lightning or just use Speel to polymorph Sora into a weak little bot.
“what the fuck are you talking about? sora can already leap twice his height and glide thru the air with by utilizing air effect. him flying is not a disadvantage idk how you came to that conclusion. and him being wet is a problem how? ”
While Soras gliding Link could snipe him out of the sky with an arrow. Oh and don’t try to BS me by telling me that Sora can glide at ungodly fast speeds because I know for a fact that he can’t.
“and iron shoes arent heavy enough to withstand tornadeos”
In WW Link used the iron boots at the entrance to the Wind Temple wich had gale force winds comparable to a tornado.
“doesnt anybody have a good arguement for link?”
You honestly think Sora can when even though both him and Link have everything?!? Damn what a fanboy!!!
Oh and if sora stops time first then it still won’t matter. Link has the Four Sword which holds hundereds of fairies to revive Link……so yeah….Soras gonna run out of magic before Link runs out of faries.
Sora- Uses a key.
Link- Uses a REAL weapon.
“Also, Sora too is far more limited than what people are posting; he doesn’t have his drive forms for this match. Those require him to have backup and team mates. He would be solo for this match and thus no transformations at all.”
you cant read can you? the match says that he can have everything, and there are gameplay moment when you can use driveforms with sacing a teammate….hell thats the game mechanic. when you first get valor he uses it with goofy standing right there. you can be in drive forms in cutscenes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vefqlTx3tzU
see hes obtained valor form and goofys literally standing right there talking about it..requiring a teammate is nothing more then gameplay balance.
“Isn’t that just a game mechanic?”
QTE is not an accurate gauge of a characters abilities outside the bounds of gameplay such as combos,the block button, etc..
How on God’s green Earth can Sora even HOPE to win?!? They both get everything so basically just read comment number 28.
Sora- Uses a key.
Link- Uses a REAL weapon.
“How on God’s green Earth can Sora even HOPE to win?!? They both get everything so basically just read comment number 28.”
so baseless unsupported claim thats not really adding anything? ok gotcha’
“Sora- Uses a key.
Link- Uses a REAL weapon.”
biased unsourced claim? yep….i dont know what you call a real weapon but the keyblade has proven itself a more then effective weapon. just because you dont like it doesnt make it less dangerous.
so any real arguements of can we call this over?
+1 nomination for sora
“so baseless unsupported claim thats not really adding anything? ok gotcha’”
Oh baseless…..just like you saying that Sora wins the badass factor.
“biased unsourced claim? yep….i dont know what you call a real weapon but the keyblade has proven itself a more then effective weapon. just because you dont like it doesnt make it less dangerous.
so any real arguements of can we call this over?
+1 nomination for sora”
You are an ignorant little Kingdoms Hearts troll!!! Link can stop time, he can split into 4, he has hundereds of fairies, he can turn into a god of destuction, he can make himself invincible and invisible, he can have unlimited magic for 3 whole days, he has as much magic as a baseball team has steroids, he can reflect most if not all of Sora’s magic with the Mirror Shield!!!
I find it funny watching your little fanboy self squirming trying to come up with ways for Sora to win…..(yawn) next.
Link for the factpile award anybody?
That was a wining fail, negative zero.
Unless Link does anything faster than Sora he wont be wining. Additionally, sora’s key is not just a weapon, even if link is invincible, the keyblade should be able to seperate link’s emotions his body and his soul, killing him.
“That was a wining fail, negative zero.
Unless Link does anything faster than Sora he wont be wining. Additionally, sora’s key is not just a weapon, even if link is invincible, the keyblade should be able to seperate link’s emotions his body and his soul, killing him.”
Surprise surprise, Darkblade’s carbon copy is defending Sora. As for Sora’s speed he has never ran fast…he just moved fast. Besides the Keyblade has never done what you claimed it did(at least not as far as I know). Anyway the Four Sword holds hundereds of fairies and Sora will run out of magic before Link runs out of fairies.
@Darkblade and Envoy
Has there EVER been a time when you guy DIDN’T agree on something? Every thread I go to you guys are always on the same side….ALWAYS!!!! If you two knew eachother in real life…..crap I don’t even want to think about that!!!
Have you ever been to Square Enix vs Nintendo?
Anyway, if you look into the relationship between heart, body, soul, and their ineractions with the keyblade, you’d find that they do.
It seperates heartless from their heart, and nobodys from their body and soul.
And sora just moves faster than link can see, casts a stop spell, beheads link, link dies.
time stop only lasts for so long, once it weres off, up goes the armor and link is untouchable. and besides that what if link came in with his armor on? then time stop would work in links favor as hes not wasting rupees (twilights magic armor). and on top of all of that, link doesnt have to even move to put his magic armor (wind waker)on, while sora has to shout time stop and raise his blade. link can time stop as well and faster than sora because again he doesnt say shit. never in any of his games has he said a single word besides “hiyaaa”
iron boots have only been in games, zelda whole franchise has been games, theres nothing outside of games we can count this on. and if you want to go into commen sense about alot of links items, wheres the common sense in magic? but for arguement sake of arguement, in windwaker to get into the wnd temple theres a hard wind blowing strong enough to bend the trees and link goes threw it with little trouble.
his super strength is from the golden gauntlets, an item needed to complete the game. along with the golden gloves in a link to the past.
the great diety mask is a mask that turns the wearer in a diety, a person worchiped as a god, and this particualar one is the god of destrustion
how is the keyblade gonna rip out the emotions and soul of a person being protected bu goddesses. hes the weilder of the trforce of courage, and with nayrus love hes sheilded by the gods
did i forget anything? if not i nominate link for the FP ward
First of all its definitely wrong to combine all of the Links into one because all them are reincarnations of The Hero of Time correct? If that is true and you believe in reincarnation then Link’s past lives are dead and those that reincarnate don’t have the abilities or experience of their past lives. Therefore choose just one Link so he can get his ass kicked as he would only have his own experience.
Sora also has infinite magic as well. It restores over time and it also restores when Sora takes damage (If Link can manage to land a hit as Sora moves quite fast). Sora also has the abilities of Roxas at his disposal as both of them are the same person and Roxas is part of Sora. This is proven because you start as Roxas and any abilities you earned as Roxas are transferred to Sora. Check the ending of KH 2 to prove this as Roxas is seen combining with Sora.
So just face the facts that the Link’s are not all the same person and to reiterate this if someone is reincarnated they don’t even REMEMBER their past lives much less have their abilities.
…. and no I am not a Kingdom Hearts fanboy I am just simply stating the facts…
@Imperfectly Perfect symmetry
i dont think thats what many are talking about, but if one link has everything that every other link had then it still be one link but be overgeared in battle. have you seen zelda UO on youtube? i imagine its somthing similar to that.
also ive played KH2 and sora moves slow, he swings pretty quickly but links fast and swings moderatly the same speed
“time stop only lasts for so long, once it weres off, up goes the armor and link is untouchable.”
So link lives without a head……good job. You really dont do this debate thing do you?
” then time stop would work in links favor as hes not wasting rupees (twilights magic armor).”
It blocks time? proof.
“and on top of all of that, link doesnt have to even move to put his magic armor (wind waker)on, while sora has to shout time stop and raise his blade.”
And link can still hit him faster.
“how is the keyblade gonna rip out the emotions and soul of a person being protected bu goddesses. hes the weilder of the trforce of courage, and with nayrus love hes sheilded by the gods”
Because the triforce realy dosent have to do with the gods other than comming from them. If they wanted gannondorf dead they could’ve just taken away his peice. And how does link plan on defending himself from what he cant see.
“the great diety mask is a mask that turns the wearer in a diety, a person worchiped as a god, and this particualar one is the god of destrustion”
And other than title, he doesnt have many feats.
attempting to turn the focus on us rather then your terrible argument…..fail.
“As for Sora’s speed he has never ran fast…he just moved fast.
1. sora is understood to be fast because.
a) when riku clashed with xemnas sora could regain his stance and jump back into battle before riku could land on the ground after being hit.
b) quick run makes you move as a blur higher lvls you move faster then the eye can see
c) warp snipe, sora moves thru the air faster then the eye can see
d) sora and riku reflected hundreds of laser blasts alone from multiple directions
e) soras perception of time can be almost that of a timestop.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz-GCnuKnwA&playnext=1&videos=PiOIBXJR5vg
all evidence points to sora just being this fast. there are obvious reasons to why you arent this fast all the time all the time.
“Besides the Keyblade has never done what you claimed it did(at least not as far as I know). ”
sora used this skill to defeat xemnas
“Anyway the Four Sword holds hundereds of fairies and Sora will run out of magic before Link runs out of fairies.”
no…with his MP recovering from every hit he lands on, and his MP regenerating 2x faster constantly. he wont run out. besides fairies dont really matter they cant bring him back if sora uses gravity link will be crushed so it wont matter.
“Has there EVER been a time when you guy DIDN’T agree on something? Every thread I go to you guys are always on the same side….ALWAYS!!!! If you two knew eachother in real life…..crap I don’t even want to think about that!!!”
i am not his lord and master, he is not mine. i dont follow him around, he doesnt follow me…we just tend to like the same characters i cannot control this.
“So link lives without a head……good job. You really dont do this debate thing do you?”
how is link going to be beheaded when he immune from being hurt?
“It blocks time? proof”
when did i say it stopeed time? i said that link wouldnt be loseing fuel for his invisability
“And link can still hit him faster”
he doesnt ahve to. magic armor makes him invisable, do you understand invinsable? no damage time stop all you want, links infinte magic wouldnt parish because times not moving the three days wont pass.
“Because the triforce realy dosent have to do with the gods other than comming from them. If they wanted gannondorf dead they could’ve just taken away his peice. And how does link plan on defending himself from what he cant see. ”
first off, they tried to kill ganondorf by flooding the world, didnt work. secondly its what your suppose to do, come prepared.
“And other than title, he doesnt have many feats”
its writen in legend, it only appears once because its overpowered like a mother fucker
I agree with Imperfectly Perfect Symmetry because if you are reincarnated you truly don’t even remember your past life much less have their possessions, abilities, or experience.
@The Reality Effect
those arguements aside this is sora vvs link with everything from everygame, links reincarnation stuff is another arguement all together. I, personally, agree with you and perfect but this is the battle as it stands.
“how is link going to be beheaded when he immune from being hurt?”
How can link do anything when time is stoped at a speed he access?
“when did i say it stopeed time? i said that link wouldnt be loseing fuel for his invisability”
So then he can be hurt, as if it isnt taking in rupies, then its not negating damage, and if it is it hardly matters, gannondorf kicks you and you loose 50 rupies, sora cutting through him like he does buildings, at least 1000.
“first off, they tried to kill ganondorf by flooding the world, didnt work. secondly its what your suppose to do, come prepared.”
Becuase he had the triforce of power, which gives him virtual immortality. I dont address stupid phrases.
“also ive played KH2 and sora moves slow, he swings pretty quickly but links fast and swings moderatly the same speed.”
two bad we have reaction commands to base soras speed and reaction on both of which are beating link btw.
“time stop only lasts for so long, once it weres off, up goes the armor and link is untouchable.”
so link can live beheaded, crushed or immoliated? i didnt think so. and also i luv how you ignore soras abilities, invincibility means nothing…warp=sora wins. by BFR
“link can time stop as well and faster than sora because again he doesnt say shit. never in any of his games has he said a single word besides “hiyaaa””
and im sure youll prove that links cognitive processes will allow him to take action before sora who, blocks hundreads of lasers and is outspeeding him by quite a bit. and you act as if sora is incapable of using magic without calling it name when he can use the spells in quick succession without calling thier names.
“and if you want to go into commen sense about alot of links items, wheres the common sense in magic?”
i mean something we can use to elimanate the no limits fallacy.
“but for arguement sake of arguement, in windwaker to get into the wnd temple theres a hard wind blowing strong enough to bend the trees and link goes threw it with little trouble.”
fair enough.
“his super strength is from the golden gauntlets, an item needed to complete the game. along with the golden gloves in a link to the past.”
this doesnt prove that he is tronger then sora.
“the great diety mask is a mask that turns the wearer in a diety, a person worchiped as a god, and this particualar one is the god of destrustion.”
stop with the F-ing fierce diety mask crap!! stop wanking it!!! the only thing im finding about the mask is that it let link shot little waves or beams out of his sword(at the cost of magic energy) other then that….nothing impressive, now if youd like to prove this wrong please put fourth some actual information.
“how is the keyblade gonna rip out the emotions and soul of a person being protected bu goddesses. hes the weilder of the trforce of courage, and with nayrus love hes sheilded by the gods”
thats just a statement. it in no way proves that link is immune to this effect, Nayrus love may help assuming he can get it up, but if time is stopped, fat chance. and it has to be some type of barrier.
so if theres nothing left…let link pick which drive form he want to die from (limit, valor, wisdom, master, final, anti) or he can choose standard sora.
if you dont have some sort of proof that link acts and reacts fast as or faster then sora….link loses bad.
you cant win by ignoring sora powers, and abilities. invulnerability doesnt even matter.
“i didnt think so. and also i luv how you ignore soras abilities, invincibility means nothing…warp=sora wins. by BFR”
Show Sora using Warp.
“Show Sora using Warp.”
gladly
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yolZeXJfrw&feature=related (6:00)
you can watch the whole thing if you like..apparently sora can teleport and inflict a time stop with one move.
“you can watch the whole thing if you like..apparently sora can teleport and inflict a time stop with one move.”EHMMM
That whole card thing has always put me off on the whole series.
links speed is doubled twice by the pegases boots and bunny hood, coupled with the fact that link has reaction times as well, witch if youll observe duringhis fight with ganon in windwaker, ganons reaction time was not much help. and gonans reaction time was almost flawless blocking the master sword and the light arrows at the same time.
sora in the collaseum couldnt big block, while link has thrown boulders towering him.
how is sora gonna behead, blah blah if link is inside a penetrable force field with nayrus love.
ill stop with the feirce diety mask simply because its power is told in legend not acctually any game so ill give you that, but sora only seems to be able to win with the time syop ability, somthing links capable of doing as well,but even then if link is invulnerable at one moment and you freeze that moment hell stay invulderable until you unfreeze him. so how isnt invulnerablity matter
“That whole card thing has always put me off on the whole series.”
thats why i didnt buy that one….but im surprised the magic in that game is so ridiculously powerful. they shoulda kept some.
more on topic…you can see im not a fanboy and sora actually can just literally get rid of link.
inpenetrable force field
my bad lol
Removal from battle field is a fari way to win.
but.. the move itself is a game mechanic.
So Sora chooses to only have time cards lol
Wait, the Keyblade can cut?
But if Link can drink something that makes him invincible for 3 days, wouldn’t that mean Time Stop would be pointless since it’ll make him longer in that state?
“so how isnt invulnerablity matter.”
refer to warp related posts above.
“links speed is doubled twice by the pegases boots and bunny hood, coupled with the fact that link has reaction times as well, witch if youll observe duringhis fight with ganon in windwaker, ganons reaction time was not much help. and gonans reaction time was almost flawless blocking the master sword and the light arrows at the same time.”
thats decently fast but can you show me a video or something because i cant picture it. also could you show me a feat of links which proves he can match swords with a person who percieves in a nigh time stop and moves fast enough to reflect lasers. those two feats make soras reaction speed borderline relativistic.
also can i see a video because i take zelda bosses with a grain of salt the are programmed to only be vulnerable during certain instances.
“sora in the collaseum couldnt big block, while link has thrown boulders towering him.”
and near the end of the game you can move it, there is a trinity symbol there, and two games later soras smacking around solid stone skyscrapers.
“how is sora gonna behead, blah blah if link is inside a penetrable force field with nayrus love.”
1. if that spell is up when sora stops time he would just use warpinator
2. the spell doesnt last forever
3. soras keyblade is good at bypassing magic barriers, sora keyblade was born in the realm of light from light, a multiversial force that governs about 1 third of existance. that maybe in league with that spell.
“but sora only seems to be able to win with the time syop ability, somthing links capable of doing as well.”
sora just has way too many ways of dealing with link, even if both didnt have time stops. sora can fly has superior speed, can defy gravity, superior reflexes, and many control spells that allow him to handle anything link can throw at him. giving sora everything is the worst.
1 good thing did come of it, i learned requiring a teammate was just a game mechanic for drive forms. he can use those drive forms in this fight.
“Removal from battle field is a fari way to win.
but.. the move itself is a game mechanic.
So Sora chooses to only have time cards lol.”
what do you mean? warp is basically half of teleport. with teleport you move your self thru the realm of light to and rematerilalized behind the enemy. with warp you move them to the realm of light and leave them there.
thats may take on the ability based on soras light affinity.
more in line with the description of teleport its likely that warp flatout dematerializes them, since they drop nothing
but youve really peaked my interest…how exactly is the move a game mechanic? other then the fact that its in a game.
“Wait, the Keyblade can cut?”
very well actually.
“But if Link can drink something that makes him invincible for 3 days, wouldn’t that mean Time Stop would be pointless since it’ll make him longer in that state?”
Warp victory by BFR
Where the hell is AHK when you need him. his the only one who knows alot about KH universe & Sora.
Ok Sheikx…. The following is direct from the Zeldapedia….
“Nayru’s Love is an item from The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. It is a shielding spell that Link receives from a Great Fairy of Magic in the Desert Colossus. At the cost of magic, it creates a blue crystal-like shield around Link, preventing him from taking damage, with the exception of Ganon’s sword attacks (which is reduced to a quarter heart of damage). However, Link still “reacts” as if he took damage, such as falling back after being hit by a powerful blow, despite not losing hearts. During the effects of Nayru’s Love, Link is unable to use any other magical equipment or abilities. He cannot fire any magical arrows, nor can he use the Lens of Truth or any of the other magical spells until the effect has worn off. Additionally, his Spin Attack’s fire effect will be disabled.”
So during that spell he won’t take damage but can’t even land any powerful attacks. That spell takes away his most powerful abilities leaving him only with pathetic sword attacks that Sora can easily block or dodge.
“how exactly is the move a game mechanic? other then the fact that its in a game.”
It requires those cards to use.
Those cards themselves are a game mechanic he shouldn’t be required to be able to use warp by just getting 3 times in a row and unleashing them all at the same time.
At the same time though the cards are an important part of the story shown in kingdom hearts chain of memorys on the GBA.
You had to have a card of certain value and needed certain cards to unlock those doors.
He needs the cards themselves to unleash the moves(which is stupid)
A game mechanic that takes part in the story (STUPID!)
I never really followed Kingdom Hearts, manga or video game series, but from what I’ve read he’s pretty good with a keyblade…
Link against Sora though, while Link is a good fighter…
I am puzzled on this one…
okay sora can warp link away and win by default big whoop, link can teleport back either using the magic mirror, or a teleportation song form ocarnina. the spell will last forever if that nanosecod in time is frozen because that moment will last forever, nothing will happen if time is stoped, and besides that its nayrus love, its the protection of a goddesses someone who helped create life forms on a planet, along with the fact that he has the power of the goddes that gave them law i doubt sora can go threw it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqQUPXTPiM
watch some time after 6:30
flying isnt much of a benefit when the oppent can summon a lighting storm and lightnig allways hits the tallest thing whitch in this case would be sora
okay sora has good raction time fair enough, but considering link can use his sword to fly means that link isnt going into this thing slowly. also with the fact that he lives in a mideavel time frame hes never had the chance to reflect a lazer, witch is a shame cause thats something everyone should do once in there life XD, all kidding aside i will give that sora has a good reaction time but that doesnt make him win overall.
also what can sora control that link throws at him, fire and ice rod, okay maybe but i cant think of alot of magic that link relies on to fight, alot of his good weapons are things like hookshot, bow and arrow, boomerage, a whip, ect, ect.
and @ the realityeffect
granted but he still has the golden armor from twilight along with magic armor from wind waker so he has more than one defencive capability
@sheikX link dose deflect/ abosorb and douged lazers Blind from LoZ link to the past. there are alos status with eye balls on them that circle and fire at link right as it sees him. also he can swing and hit a spell in his face and curv it back at the caster. better yet he can hit magic with a bottle and curv it as well.
@Laharl
The cards in CoM(its unanimous, everyone hated them) are sora’s memories, the spells and sleights you use are sora’s abilities, without them he just casts as normal.
@Dark
Im going to have to disagree on the functions of warp/warpinator, last I checked space element magic was the only one that moves things. That, and I’ve never heard of a different plane of light being used for travel. Xigbar and other heartless have used space element magic to move, and merlin posibly did too.
@Laharl
i know its stupid but the truth is the cards represent his memories. and slieghts are made from combining different effects which theres no reason for sora not to be able to do. i know they presented the combat in a stupid way but it really sounds like you are saying that sora shouldnt have moves because you dont the the combat system they were part of. outside those game mechanic CoM attacks are more useful.
“okay sora can warp link away and win by default big whoop, link can teleport back either using the magic mirror, or a teleportation song form ocarnina.”
proof or the existance of a teleportation song, and where it teleports him to. and the Magic mirror only teleports link from the dark world to the light world, or to back to the start of a dungeon.
“and besides that its nayrus love, its the protection of a goddesses someone who helped create life forms on a planet, along with the fact that he has the power of the goddes that gave them law i doubt sora can go threw it.”
not seeing the problem with getting past it, the kingdom Key is a manifestation of the realm of lights power. the realm of light has spawned some 10-20 universes. the goddess made life and law on 1 planet. the realm of light has a bigger feat.
“flying isnt much of a benefit when the oppent can summon a lighting storm and lightnig allways hits the tallest thing whitch in this case would be sora”
a lighting storm isnt much of a threat when it an be reflected.
“also what can sora control that link throws at him, fire and ice rod, okay maybe but i cant think of alot of magic that link relies on to fight, alot of his good weapons are things like hookshot, bow and arrow, boomerage, a whip, ect, ect.”
he could litterally keep him timestopped, BFR, crush him with gravity, bind him to the ground, switch links life force with another object, suck him into a magnetic vortex, harass link with homing spells, freeze him, inflict a state of magically induced terror, confuse link so that he fights senselessly or not at all.
i didnt mean control links attacks i meant control the flow of battle with status ailments and harassment magic.
links good but against someone who can get the first action off, and has the magic to control the tempo of the battle there isnt much he can do other then hope sora lets him out of time stop, or hopes sora doesnt warp or crush him.
and if all else fails if sora is getting beat on hes on his dying breath, sora casts synchro and switches his injuries for links. then use cure to make up the difference.
also idk how this works but sora doesn have a move that flatout states you cant instantly kill him.
“Im going to have to disagree on the functions of warp/warpinator, last I checked space element magic was the only one that moves things. That, and I’ve never heard of a different plane of light being used for travel. Xigbar and other heartless have used space element magic to move, and merlin posibly did too.”
it doesnt matter, warp/warpinator is still a BFR it dumps them in some realm somewhere, and i doubt link would beable to return. also ive never heard of the space element, organization 13 and heartless use corridors of darkness to move between places. sora and riku used a door the light to enter the realm of light again, and gummi space is in the realm of light.
@Sheikx
Durring stopaga, only the target is paused, the rest of the world goes on. Lightning doesnt ALWAYS hit the highest object, its just more likely, also sora has lightning boosting/resistant items/abilities and can half all damage using areoga.
How did link survive the initial building cutting speedblitz?
The winer is in this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ4IvpGpGKg. The facts that he can win are that he have control of all magic attacks like Fire,Blizard,Thunder,Reflega(That can reflect all attacks or magics of a oponents to themself),Graviga,Curaga(That he can heal when his about to die or when he is hurt), etc..etc..etc.. And have alot of combos attacks like Ragnarok(That he can shot a bunch of lasers from his Keyblade that follow the oponent),Raging Storm(Three fiery tornadoes appear around Sora, dealing damage to enemies as they hit), Firaga Burst(Shoot a large fireball into the air and rain down small fireballs over a wide area), etc…etc..etc.. And Sora is Hypersonic fast that cant be seen by the human eye, Have the strength to slice building in 4 pieces easy. Plus Sora have all his Drive forms. So thats it sorry Link you are one of my favorite character of all time but you lose. Sora for the FP awards.
thanx for posting envoy i didnt want triple post.
but i found out most of links teleport songs send him somewhere in hyrule…..they all have set destinations so while, theres also no proof that theyd work in whatever realm hes been banished to, and if link does teleport he loses automatically.
@dark
At the moment I know that the saphire elegy, grey carapice, watcher, and switch launcher heartless can use space elemental magic in their attacks.
The 13 elements of the members of orginization XIII are aparently available to those in the three realms.
i have to go post in every sora thread that sora gets his drive forms.
im reading it “who ever time stops first wins” because link can time stop as well, so why hasnt that ever been tooken into account. plus foraore’s wind is a teleport that teleport link to the location he sets it.
so scenerio where link time stops first – time stop place foraore’s wind then hold a bomb next to sora’s face.
scenerio where sora time stops first – time stop, then use a second spell to follow up rather warping, crushing, or swap his life force. the warp link uses foraores wind again back in the battle and sora is outa magic or dosent have the card any more =P
“not seeing the problem with getting past it, the kingdom Key is a manifestation of the realm of lights power. the realm of light has spawned some 10-20 universes. the goddess made life and law on 1 planet. the realm of light has a bigger feat.”
im not sure what that means, so sora has a sword with light in it? so dose link. he cuts threw a barrier made of evil magic with one blow. so a flashy manifestation of light, or the sword of evil’s bane. last i checked every thing has evil in them the hole ying and yang thing, the keyblade wont be as effective against some one as pure of heart as link. while the master sword well be at full power so sword to sword both have a sword that is so/so effective against one-an-other. so far it is who ever gets the first hit and this is hard to figure out w/o an accualy test because both takeing less then a second to cast. so =/ kinda a stalemate.
Well, if Link casts Faeroe’s wind (spelling fail there) he can teleport back to a point from wherever. That problem is solved, and since Nayru’s love protects him from all damage, won’t matter where you teleport him.
“not seeing the problem with getting past it, the kingdom Key is a manifestation of the realm of lights power. the realm of light has spawned some 10-20 universes. the goddess made life and law on 1 planet. the realm of light has a bigger feat.”
You are going to need a LOT more actual proof than a vague claim like this. It’s a failed argument anyway. You are basically saying that if one man has built a city and another man has built a house that the man who has built the city is a better builder.
The Zelda Goddess are often associated with absolute omnipotence, in fact the complete triforce was even rumored to have been a “piece” of that omnipotence, but I personally disregard that as exaggeration. However, I see the Goddesses as omnipotent. Unless you can back that the this manifestation of the power of light being able to overwhelm an omnipotent being’s protective shell then that is for you to PROVE. You haven’t come close to proving that yet, so his shield remains in tact. With chateau romani, he’s infinite magic = infinite shield.
Additionally to this, Link has the magic shield which can reflect magic, what would happen if this teleportation spell occurred to sora himself? Would he die instantly having been put in the middle of nowhere in space? Sora wouldn’t know that the shield can reflect magic due to CIS so he very may well kill himself.
I read something here about polymorphing being a viable option for Link against Sora. With infinite magic, Link can keep casting it to keep the spell on Sora. This spell also autocasts. Sora is unable to dodge this spell no matter his speed. As for offense, he has the considerable thunder spell (although THUNDER is a dumb name!) which autotargets for him. Sora’s speed here is absolutely negligible. Din’s fire would be an acceptable aoe spell too if Sora came too close, but I doubt that it is very strong. Then you have the three AOE spells in aLttP that are also HUGE aoe.
As for damage on these… *shrugs* they tend to be controlled by game mechanics more than canon so I can’t put any numbers to the potency. I’ve always seen Link as the uber defensive warrior though. Link’s Defense>>offense.
Sora for FP Awards. Link is gana get PWN by Sora.
“proof or the existance of a teleportation song, and where it teleports him to. and the Magic mirror only teleports link from the dark world to the light world, or to back to the start of a dungeon.”What about Midna?(keyblade is self aware and can chose the user) So would it be possible for Midna to be in the fight?
“I know its stupid but the truth is the cards represent his memories. ”
Whoever thought of that should be beaten to a pulp srs.
“You are going to need a LOT more actual proof than a vague claim like this. It’s a failed argument anyway. You are basically saying that if one man has built a city and another man has built a house that the man who has built the city is a better builder.”
not as failed as you think it is when you deal with these imaginary people power and feats are all you have to go on. so in this situation it took the power or three gods to make 1 planet, whereas the realm of light spawned all of the game worlds execpt 2 plus thier entire universe, and set the barriers between them. it would be completely niave of you to not see the forces of the realm of light are surpassing the three goddesses.
“The Zelda Goddess are often associated with absolute omnipotence, in fact the complete triforce was even rumored to have been a “piece” of that omnipotence, but I personally disregard that as exaggeration. However, I see the Goddesses as omnipotent. Unless you can back that the this manifestation of the power of light being able to overwhelm an omnipotent being’s protective shell then that is for you to PROVE. You haven’t come close to proving that yet, so his shield remains in tact. With chateau romani, he’s infinite magic = infinite shield.”
the failure or your arguement is that you cant prove the power of the Goddesses so called omnipotent magic. omnipotence doesnt count for shit in Zelda and you can see this in the games. they may have absolute power(which we dont see) over that one world and any sub worlds of it, l but they are not universial forces. they didnt create the universe, they havent shown that kind of power. the Kingdom key is the realm of lights keyblade, it can tear down or repair the barriers between the universes, and seal corridors to other planes of existance. that barriers going down. and weve already went through how the barrier invincibility and infinite magic dont help.
“Additionally to this, Link has the magic shield which can reflect magic, what would happen if this teleportation spell occurred to sora himself? Would he die instantly having been put in the middle of nowhere in space? Sora wouldn’t know that the shield can reflect magic due to CIS so he very may well kill himself.”
geez its just a shield outside of game mechenics unless it makes a barrier AoE attacks are gonna ruin link, and proof that it reflects forced teleportation and other none projectile magic? otherwise im calling no limits. also the teleportation spell can only send him 2 possible places, the realm of light or the realm of darkness.
“I read something here about polymorphing being a viable option for Link against Sora. With infinite magic, Link can keep casting it to keep the spell on Sora. This spell also autocasts. Sora is unable to dodge this spell no matter his speed. As for offense, he has the considerable thunder spell (although THUNDER is a dumb name!) which autotargets for him. Sora’s speed here is absolutely negligible. Din’s fire would be an acceptable aoe spell too if Sora came too close, but I doubt that it is very strong. Then you have the three AOE spells in aLttP that are also HUGE aoe.”
its under debate since sora seems somewhat resistant to polymorphs, and his magics seem to facilitate a safe polymorphing. btw what does link change you into.
what do you mean by auto cast? im pretty sure that link has to DO something. sora literally doesnt have to dodge anything he can teleport. dematerialized sora=no spell target. as for the thunder spells how does auto targeting=speed not an issue? if its to dodge sora has reflect. and as for the other AoE spells….reflect.
“I’ve always seen Link as the uber defensive warrior though. Link’s Defense>>offense.”
everybody seems to think im underestamting link, but i am not in a fight where both characters have a time stop, and multiple large scale magic who gets the first move is a large factor. and with everything we know about sora…his speed in general is just on a diffenet lvl. and his most powerful invulnerability spells kills his ability to use magic and magic items and it doesnt stop status ailments like magnet, bind, stop, confuse and terror, and they dont stop physical forces, so he can still be knocked around. and if he cant get past it he just win via BFR.
and as i said before idk how to qualify it but sora has a move that allows him to never be insta killed. without time magics it would be an epic fight withem its just about who can do it first.
inside sourses confirm, sora cann’t win unless a key hole is pressent in the oppent jk =))
“everybody seems to think im underestamting link, but i am not in a fight where both characters have a time stop, and multiple large scale magic who gets the first move is a large factor. and with everything we know about sora…his speed in general is just on a diffenet lvl. and his most powerful invulnerability spells kills his ability to use magic and magic items and it doesnt stop status ailments like magnet, bind, stop, confuse and terror, and they dont stop physical forces, so he can still be knocked around. and if he cant get past it he just win via BFR.”
how is his links most powerful invunerablity spell his only one? he has armor that has the same effect and you can still use every thing at the cost of ruppees.
and as ive state above its who ever time stops first wins and there isn’t proof that either are faster at this point. and the simple fact that it is a magic spell.
its been a while sence ive used stopaga in KH but in the FF games it took longer because the “aga” spells took longer to focues on. while all link has to do is flip an hour glass.wich in manny cases link twirs his sword in the motion around his hand wich happens in bettween of links swords swings.
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I have some points that I’d like to make about Link’s abilities and items. I want to begin by reiterating what I said earlier about Nayru’s Love as some you don’t know how to read. This information comes directly from Zeldapedia. “During the effects of Nayru’s Love, Link is unable to use any other magical equipment or abilities. He cannot fire any magical arrows, nor can he use the Lens of Truth or any of the other magical spells until the effect has worn off. Additionally, his Spin Attack’s fire effect will be disabled.” So this means that use of this spell leaves Link with a crappy offense and the spell is temporary and must be cast again. After I stated this earlier one of you went on to say that Link has “Magic Armor” as well and that brings me to my next point. I will begin with a quote from Zeldapedia. “The Magic Armor is a complete set of golden-plated armor. It does indeed prevent Link from taking damage when equipped; however, it drains two Rupees a second whenever it is in use. Additionally, whenever Link is damaged, Rupees are drained instead of his health. When Link runs out of Rupees, the armor grows heavy, impeding Link’s movement, similar to when he is wearing the Iron Boots.” So this means that Sora can damage the armor to the point that Link will run out of Rupees thus causing the armor to become so heavy that it is a disadvantage to Link. Also, this armor is not connected to the Goddesses in any way shape or form therefore it is not indestructible which means that Sora can deal enough damage to the armor that it is unusable. Face it… the armor is not invincible… it can deteriorate from physical attacks and then break. My next point is Link’s invisibility. Link’s invisibility comes from a mask known as the Stone Mask. Link cannot be seen while he is wearing the Stone Mask but the mask has a flaw. The following is quoted from Zeldapedia. “Curiously, the mask’s effect is rendered null in the room containing the Hookshot, as well as in the battle rooms with the Gerudo Guards. These Gerudo Pirates acknowledge that Link is wearing the mask though, proving that it may be due to years of training and careful concentration that they can see through the mysterious enchantments.” That being said, Sora has more than enough training and concentration to see through the mask’s magic and even if you still think that Sora can’t see Link while he is wearing it then I say to you that its just a flimsy mask that can be easily broken. I have a small point about Link’s bottles as well. I would like someone to tell me how many bottles this composite Link has and information to prove how many as well as what he has placed in each bottle. Link can only use fairies, milk, potions, and other similar items if they are placed in bottles and that means he has a limited amount of items of this type and I want to know how this Link has chosen to fill his limited number of bottles. My last point and probably my most valid and powerful point is about Link’s ability to stop time. I have reason to believe that he can’t do it all in this particular battle.This is because Link needs a Phantom Sphere in order to freeze time with the hour glass. I will continue my explanation with a quote from Zeldapedia. “Phantom Spheres are items from The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. They are yellow balls of energy created by Ciela. During the final battles against Bellum and Bellumbeck, Phantom Spheres are necessary in order to beat them. When Ciela hurls a Phantom Sphere at Link, he must touch it, causing a button to appear on the lower screen. When pressed, Link can draw an hourglass shape on the screen, which when done successfully slows down time, allowing Link to circle around to the back of Bellum or Bellumbeck and attack their weak points.” Ok so lets take some time to analyze this quote. This tells us two things about Phantom Spheres. One: They are necessary for Link to stop time. Two: They must be created and given to Link by Ciela. Correct me if I’m wrong but outside help in this battle is forbidden therefore Ceila isn’t there to create or give Phantom Spheres to Link in order for him to freeze time. This point proves that Link is not able to freeze time in this particular battle.
Face it… Sora wins
+ 1 nomination for Sora
link still has the magic armor from windwaker, this one relies on magic not rupees.
link also has a cape from a link to the past that makes him imvisable as well, so invisable that he can walk on spike (no sense but still) and even the player cant see him
link has everything from everygame so if he had the sphere at one point he has it in this battle, just like link has the triforce at the end of a link to the past as well, so link could simply wish for himself to win.
No offense towards you sheikx, but you should learn to spell. HAHA, the no topic man is back!!!! WOOT WOOT.
Sorry for the double, but I’ll get to the topic now, I’m not too much of a KH expert, or the same with Zelda. I know more about Zelda than i do KH, as I have played several Zelda’s, and only the first KH, and part of KH 2. But, from what I understand Sora gets much more powerful from his original weak pussy ass first game, so I’ll see how this plays out. And, what up envoy, and dark? Long time no see. Sorry for the shitty grammar.
no offense taken mr. no topic man XD
The cape also has a flaw. I will explain with a quote from Zeldapedia. “The Magic Cape is an item from The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. It is hidden in an underground chamber accessed by moving a headstone in the graveyard in northern Hyrule. When it is worn, Link becomes invisible; however, his shadow is still visible to the player.” Sora could still see Links shadow and once again. The cape is not indestructible and can easily be burned with a Fire Spell. And about the armor from Wind Waker. Quote from Zeldapedia “The Magic Armor is a purple, magical jewel that has the ability to make Link impervious to damage for a period of time, based on how much magic power he has.” It is a temporary spell and even with infinite magic Link has to cast it again to renew its effect which leaves a window of opportunity for Sora to attack and as proven by the posts of others Sora is quite fast and could have landed an attack on Link by moving faster than the eye can see and I think it would be kinda difficult for someone to cast a spell when being sliced to ribbons. Oh and about the Phantom Spheres. Link never actually obtains them. They have to present in order for him to freeze time. If Link never obtains the sphere then he can’t have them in this battle unless they are given to him by Ciela and that of course would be forbidden. Oh and you never answered my question about the bottles. That’s kind of important.
Oh and I forgot to say that seeing as the Wind Waker Armor is a jewel, it can easily be shattered and obviously made unusable.
I’m leaning more towards sora, although Link is much cooler.
acctually it says temporary under the idea that wind waker link doesnt have infinite magic, as long as he has magic its effect still lasts, personally im not a fan of because it eats away at your magic, but if i had infinate magic it be up all the time. and sora would be moving at 1/2 speed (to link anyway) link has a song called the inverted song of time that slows time down by half witch if you think about it everything will take twice as long.
but on the bottle, i dont see how their important, he can have potions, faries and bugs in the bottles, and with the exception of the bugs none of that will be necessary for link since hes not taking damage and has infinate magic
@sheikx
You also have the oppurtunity to become one of my “minions”, or “henchmen” so to speak.