Forerunners Vs Galactic Empire

Forerunners Vs Galactic Empire

Suggested by TheSorrow

(This exact same request came in from hotshot a few days later as well)

While there is the epic Star Wars Vs Halo battle in which Star Wars won, here we are pitting the most intelligent race in the Halo universe against the Empire.

Not quite sure how this is going to turn out, but it makes for a great debate.

What say you?

UPDATE: (2.4.2011) Not that it should really matter, but for this battle both sides are at the height of their power.

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4,796 Comments on "Forerunners Vs Galactic Empire"

  1. Asger April 5, 2010 at 7:19 am -      #1

    Wellp, I’ll be in the bomb shelter if you need me…

  2. alfieboi13 April 5, 2010 at 7:29 am -      #2

    room for one more?

  3. Terror April 5, 2010 at 7:46 am -      #3

    I really wish we knew more about the ForeRunners tech. We have plenty of examples of the Empire, but know next to nothing about the ForeRunners other than the Halo, Ark, drones, etc.

  4. cyborg pirate ninja jesus April 5, 2010 at 7:49 am -      #4

    teh juzt axtivateS DAH HALOS!!!111!

  5. Omega-88 April 5, 2010 at 8:05 am -      #5

    ahhaahahhahaah good good admin!!!.

  6. Jwlynas April 5, 2010 at 8:06 am -      #6

    “teh juzt axtivateS DAH HALOS!!!111!”

    Given that there are few to no organics that we know of in the forerunner army (at least not that aren’t hidden in their oversized shield planets)l, that would be a viable, non-suicidal tactic.

  7. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 8:14 am -      #7

    True, but the Empire does have combat droids of it’s own, such as Dark Troopers.

  8. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 8:21 am -      #8

    The main problem with this debate is the lack of info on the forerunners which is undoubtably going to lead to a lot of speculation. In that case, I’ll be in the bunker with Asger and alfieboi13.

  9. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 8:31 am -      #9

    So, I have to just ask why is Grevious in this picture? He’s dead as we all know, and he was for the CIS winning the war, which completely opposed the Republic, which later on became the Empire.

  10. Jwlynas April 5, 2010 at 8:42 am -      #10

    “True, but the Empire does have combat droids of it’s own, such as Dark Troopers.”

    The Dark troopers are droids? I’ve always assumed they were like storm troopers, but with better armour and weaponry

  11. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 8:48 am -      #11

    Nope, their droids, just like the Empire made smaller star-fighters, and instead of putting pilots in them, they put the brains of pilots in them, kinda creepy huh?

  12. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 9:05 am -      #12

    Star Wars vs Entirety of Halo=Star Wars
    Star Wars vs Forerunners=Sodomy

  13. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 9:07 am -      #13

    Really we don’t know enough about the forerunners to have a debate other then they were destroyed by the flood. So we should wait a little bit to see what they reveal in Reach before we debate since its going to lead to a lot of dead ends.

  14. orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 9:57 am -      #14

    This match is a fail.
    We would have to wait for the forerunner trilogy, that bungie will hopefully publish.

  15. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 10:04 am -      #15

    Then we wait two months, in the meantime…

  16. orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 10:04 am -      #16

    This match is a fail.
    We would have to wait for the forerunner trilogy, that bungie will hopefully pubilsh.

  17. Jackson April 5, 2010 at 10:12 am -      #17

    Why the galactic empire got pics of Genral Grievous a magnaguard and a clone?

  18. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 10:14 am -      #18

    “Why the galactic empire got pics of Genral Grievous a magnaguard and a clone?”

    You forgot the Droid tri-fighter.

  19. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 10:15 am -      #19

    We can barely account for anything beyond what they built….. and thats it. Its just like the problem with debating Protoss fights…. increased by a factor of five.

  20. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 10:16 am -      #20

    Very true, we need more info on the Forerunners.

  21. Jackson April 5, 2010 at 10:18 am -      #21

    “You forgot the Droid tri-fighter”

    Actually I didn’t even notice it, lol.

  22. shaun182 April 5, 2010 at 10:20 am -      #22

    the forerunners lost to blobs of necrotized flesh, who gained weapons and ships through consuming forerunners, now the forerunners are up against one of the largest and well equppied armies in all fictions,

    who dont need to steal their dead enemies guns, they bring their own.

  23. Jackson April 5, 2010 at 10:53 am -      #23

    So, the match is over with the simple fact that not enough is known about the Forerunners?

  24. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 10:57 am -      #24

    There is quite a bit known about the Forerunners, see Nattuo’s argument in Star Wars Vs Halo, he uses only the stuff we know about the Forerunners.

  25. alfieboi13 April 5, 2010 at 11:00 am -      #25

    @Jackson

    agreed. not enough is known to make another year long debate when the winner is decided in a week and the fanboys don’t give up

  26. Terror April 5, 2010 at 11:04 am -      #26

    the forerunners lost to blobs of necrotized flesh, who gained weapons and ships “through consuming forerunners, now the forerunners are up against one of the largest and well equppied armies in all fictions,

    who dont need to steal their dead enemies guns, they bring their own.”

    That’s really over-simplifying things quite a bit. Your statement ignores the fact that the Flood are near impossible to destroy. If even 1 molecule remains – They will reproduce, and come back – again – and again – and again. The more troops you throw at them, the more troops you supply them with.

    The Gravemind is also something of a super-being. Have you read Halo Evolutions yet? Gives a whole new perspective as to how the Flood takes over their enemy – It’s not by brute force. The Gravemind can mentally hack into even the most sophisticated of systems, and take over. (Across impossible distances no less)

    While controlling from the inside, he’s able to manipulate the battle into his favor without the enemy knowing anything is wrong until it’s too late. Quite the advantage don’t you think?

    Doesn’t really matter how big your guns are when the enemy controls your movement, and places you into situations where you’re taken by surprise, and soon feeding the flames with your own troops.

  27. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 11:05 am -      #27

    His argument in my opinion, was irrelevant, the debate was already over.

  28. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 11:07 am -      #28

    “His argument in my opinion, was irrelevant, the debate was already over.”

    “in my opinion, was irrelevant”

    AKA he beat you and you didn’t like that so you claimed he was wrong without any proof.

  29. alfieboi13 April 5, 2010 at 11:09 am -      #29

    *AKA he beat you and you didn’t like that so you claimed he was wrong without any proof.*

    lol. well done Swifterdeath

  30. Marche April 5, 2010 at 11:10 am -      #30

    “Star Wars vs Forerunners=Sodomy”
    Good thing its only the empire then.

  31. shaun182 April 5, 2010 at 11:11 am -      #31

    well its pretty good the empire is fighting the forerunners, not the flood than.

  32. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 11:17 am -      #32

    Uhh no, I was not wrong, I am just far too lazy to look it up, he came in after the fight was over, he was debating a battle which was already lost; if you had any common sense then you could obviously see that you imbecile.

  33. hotshot April 5, 2010 at 11:18 am -      #33

    Yea let’s wait till the books.

    Thread=reserved for that time

    thread closed for a moment

  34. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 11:20 am -      #34

    Swifter, I also did provide some proof, he claimed to know things about the Halo galaxy such as industries which provide weapons, and star-ships that they use in combat. Did he do so? No, he stated situations in which the major industrial outputs by the companies which did all the grunt work, were put to good use, such as the Battle of Harvest, or the Battle of Reach.

  35. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 11:27 am -      #35

    “Uhh no, I was not wrong, I am just far too lazy to look it up,”

    AKA you don’t have proof.

    “he came in after the fight was over, he was debating a battle which was already lost;”

    No he was debating a different battle.

    “if you had any common sense then you could obviously see that you imbecile.”

    According to my parents I have no common sense, but I have enough to know your an idiot…

    “Swifter, I also did provide some proof, he claimed to know things about the Halo galaxy such as industries which provide weapons, and star-ships that they use in combat.”

    Proof of such a claim? He was saying what we already know about the forerunners and using that.

    “No, he stated situations in which the major industrial outputs by the companies which did all the grunt work, were put to good use, such as the Battle of Harvest, or the Battle of Reach.”

    Last I checked his entire argument was ‘Forerunners sit in slipspace and attack from their’

  36. Spellca April 5, 2010 at 12:26 pm -      #36

    While I do believe that the Galactic Empire could curbstop the UNSC and even the Covenant…they cannot win against the Forerunners. The only downside to this fight is the only sentinal technology we have seen aside from their dreadnought is just temples, constructs and three types of Sentinal drones.

    I do believe in terms of technology, the Forerunners would be superior and would be victorious but to the lack of rock hard evidence to back this common assumption.,.I can only call it a badass fight and run to the nearest Cold War bomb shelter and hope part of the universe survives the engagement.

  37. Spellca April 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm -      #37

    * “Forerunner technology we have seen…”

  38. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 12:36 pm -      #38

    For once I agree with hotshot here I believe we should wait till the Forerunner Trilogy and Halo Reach come out and then revive this thread so this could actually be a debate. It wouldn’t really be a fair argument since no one knows the full technological capabilities of the forerunners at this time. I don’t know what they have to stand up to the technological might of the GE with their Star Destroyers, Siths, Androids, and Star Destroyers but hey they might surprise us.

  39. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 12:36 pm -      #39

    For once I agree with hotshot here I believe we should wait till the Forerunner Trilogy and Halo Reach come out and then revive this thread so this could actually be a debate. It wouldn’t really be a fair argument since no one knows the full technological capabilities of the forerunners at this time. I don’t know what they have to stand up to the technological might of the GE with their Star Destroyers, Siths, Androids, and Death Stars but hey they might surprise us.

  40. orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 1:35 pm -      #40

    Yeah they actuallly might.
    Unfortunatly they forerunners ultimatly lose to the flood in the war, but we would have to look into individual battles to know what REALLY took place and what the forerunners tried and how exactly did they lose.
    For all we know, anyone could say that the flood had gained teleportation technology, and teleported across the galaxy hitting planets and infecting ships before any proper response was made.
    Can’t call the forerunners retarded yet.

  41. Whacko April 5, 2010 at 1:38 pm -      #41

    “For once I agree with hotshot here I believe we should wait till the Forerunner Trilogy and Halo Reach come out and then revive this thread so this could actually be a debate. It wouldn’t really be a fair argument since no one knows the full technological capabilities of the forerunners at this time. I don’t know what they have to stand up to the technological might of the GE with their Star Destroyers, Siths, Androids, and Death Stars but hey they might surprise us.”

    Well, there’s always the possibility, but didn’t these guys run away like little girls when the flood came rolling? It doesn’t look too good for them in that case.

  42. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 1:46 pm -      #42

    No, they first flood battle had the flood attacking a Forerunner military blockage using captured civilian ships, so they probably used the civilian ships to get close and board the military ones. After that for quite a while the Forerunners (From what I have been reading) acted like the flood was a contamination or plague or something and tried to quarantine them, this failed miserably.

    So at this point the Flood already have Forerunner military ships, and because of their nature they don’t need to hold ground. So the Flood get to choose where they attack and when, while the forerunners can only hope they can defend the world being attacked.

    So obviously the Flood at even early stage of the war had a very good trick that the Forerunner’s couldn’t beat because they didn’t take the flood seriously, and because as Nattuo explained, they aren’t fighting some other space empire, they are fighting their own ships just piloted by the Flood.

    So by the time the Forerunners started taking the Flood seriously it was already to late.

  43. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 1:47 pm -      #43

    Damnit, ‘blockage’ is supposed to be Blockade, I misspelled the word and my Spellchecker didn’t understand what I was trying to spell -.-

  44. Spellca April 5, 2010 at 2:06 pm -      #44

    Be that as it may, the Flood was a hivemind organism hell-bent on assimilating organic matter to grow and continue its collective existance. The Forerunners reaction and demise at the hands of such an unorthadox enemy doesn’t prove or disprove anything when it comes to battling another galactic superpower like the Galactic Empire.

    It would come down to overall technology and how it is utilized. Taking the self-sacrifice of blasting everything to hell with the Halo relay (sorry fanboys), it would come down to what the Forerunners pack in a conventional war and how they use it. All the standard Halo expanded universe has shown us so far is the surviving relics of the great race and the weapons they used in their failed attempts to take out the Flood menace.

  45. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 2:15 pm -      #45

    “Be that as it may, the Flood was a hivemind organism hell-bent on assimilating organic matter to grow and continue its collective existance.”

    The Gravemind did not exist until about half way into the war.

    “The Forerunners reaction and demise at the hands of such an unorthadox”

    Because they treated it as a disease and not an enemy until it was to late.

    “doesn’t prove or disprove anything when it comes to battling another galactic superpower like the Galactic Empire. ”

    I was responding to Whacko saying that they ran from the flood.

    “It would come down to overall technology and how it is utilized.”

    Which would give the Forerunners the win.

    “Taking the self-sacrifice of blasting everything to hell with the Halo relay (sorry fanboys),”

    Why self sacrificing? they can just sit in Slipspace and send the rings out set them off in safety…. you know, what they did.

    “it would come down to what the Forerunners pack in a conventional war and how they use it.”

    No, it would come down to the Forerunners staying in Slipspace, that one place the GE can’t get them at? Yeah there.

    “All the standard Halo expanded universe has shown us so far is the surviving relics of the great race”

    Wrong, and even more wrong. The Terminals have given us info, Halo Legends: Origins has given us info. And what we have seen of their relics are very remarkable. The ability to bend space/time/gravity/slipspace is not something to take lightly.

    “and the weapons they used in their failed attempts to take out the Flood menace.”

    The weapons where very good, it’s just the flood had the very same weapons to fight back with.

  46. orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm -      #46

    It should also be noted that the forerunner ai…mendicant bias betrayed the forerunners and joined the flood army.
    Also the flood and the gravemind are able to interact and utilize technology and even be able to communicate with ai(plural) via flood super cell.

  47. orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 2:30 pm -      #47

    It should also be noted that the forerunner ai…mendicant bias betrayed the forerunners and joined the flood army.
    Also the flood and the gravemind are able to interact and utilize technology and even be able to communicate with ai(plural) via flood super cell.
    The flood could have had numerous advantages, the foreunners obviously had not been in any major conflicts in such a long time that they just were ignorant about the flood and wanted to reserch more about them.

  48. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 2:35 pm -      #48

    “It should also be noted that the forerunner ai…mendicant bias betrayed the forerunners and joined the flood army.”

    Because the Gravemind convinced/hacked him.

    “Also the flood and the gravemind are able to interact and utilize technology”

    No kidding?

    “and even be able to communicate with ai(plural) via flood super cell.”

    The Gravemind can ‘hack’ AI’s.

    “The flood could have had numerous advantages”

    The flood HAD numerous advantages.

    “the foreunners obviously had not been in any major conflicts in such a long time that they just were ignorant about the flood and wanted to reserch more about them.”

    No, they thought the Flood where a disease, not an enemy. It was no about researching your enemy or anything, it was that they didn’t even realize the Flood could fight them.

  49. Spellca April 5, 2010 at 2:38 pm -      #49

    I am not disagreeing with the fact of a Forerunner victory, I want you to understand that. But the fact is evidence for the Forerunners isn’t exactly in high supply…although very impressive. The Forerunners wouldn’t utilize the Halo rings against the Galactic Empire…it would be foolish and a genocidal waste of life in the galaxy.

    Also…moving forward. I never said the weapons were bad. I said that all we have seen is ruins, artifacts and Sentinals. The technological advantage is massive…but the hard evidence showing it to be a curbstomp isn’t there. One has to assume that for the Forerunners to have reached a level of such power and knowledge, that other space civilizations had to be crushed and used in paving the road to success. Therefore, as with the Empire, the Forerunners must have engaged in conventional warfare to gain power and remain there.

    It comes down to what we have have as hard evidence. Lets for the sake of argument look at the Halo 2 level Quarantine Zone which displays the two kinds of Sentinals seen in the Halo universe. The normal annoyances and the larger shielded ones with Heavy Needlers. Lets say that the Flood was terminated in that area as was the Covenant and Human forces present. That leaves the thousands of Sentinals. Now lets take Galactic Empire invasion force and send them into the Zone versing the only offensive force that we have proof the Forerunners utilized. The Imperials could scrap the flying bots.

    That is why although the technological advantage is obvious, more data is needed to prove that the Forerunners will truely win.

  50. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 2:55 pm -      #50

    @ swifterdeath
    I doubt some of some points you made were even necessary.
    The forerunners did in fact build research stations for the flood.
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Research_Facility

  51. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 2:56 pm -      #51

    “I am not disagreeing with the fact of a Forerunner victory”

    Ok

    “But the fact is evidence for the Forerunners isn’t exactly in high supply…although very impressive.”

    Which is the point, they have enough that we know of to win.

    “The Forerunners wouldn’t utilize the Halo rings against the Galactic Empire…it would be foolish and a genocidal waste of life in the galaxy. ”

    They don’t need to utilize them.

    “I said that all we have seen is ruins, artifacts and Sentinals.”

    Wrong. Again.

    Origins Part 1, shows Forerunner infantry weapons.

    “The technological advantage is massive…but the hard evidence showing it to be a curbstomp isn’t there.”

    Yes it is, read Nattuo’s argument on Star Wars Vs Halo. If you want I can re-post it here so that you don’t have to go looking for it there.

    “One has to assume that for the Forerunners to have reached a level of such power and knowledge, that other space civilizations had to be crushed and used in paving the road to success.”

    Unknown.

    “Therefore, as with the Empire, the Forerunners must have engaged in conventional warfare to gain power and remain there.”

    Actually I believe the forerunners based their technology on the Precursors.

    “It comes down to what we have have as hard evidence.”

    We have more then enough knowledge of the Forerunners to use Nattuo’s idea.

    “Lets for the sake of argument look at the Halo 2 level Quarantine Zone which displays the two kinds of Sentinals seen in the Halo universe.”

    Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. I really laughed at that. There are a lot of Sentinels seen in the Halo universe.
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Sentinel_Variant
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Onyx_Sentinel
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Strato-Sentinel

    And more.

    “The normal annoyances and the larger shielded ones with Heavy Needlers.”

    A Enforcer
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Enforcer

    “That leaves the thousands of Sentinals. Now lets take Galactic Empire invasion force and send them into the Zone versing the only offensive force that we have proof the Forerunners utilized. The Imperials could scrap the flying bots.”

    once again L-O-L. Why not dump an Onyx sentinel down their?

    “That is why although the technological advantage is obvious, more data is needed to prove that the Forerunners will truely win.”

    Would you like me to post Nattuo’s argument?

  52. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 2:58 pm -      #52

    “@ swifterdeath
    I doubt some of some points you made were even necessary.
    The forerunners did in fact build research stations for the flood.
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Research_Facility

    Of course they built research facility’s for the flood, why wouldn’t they? But they didn’t attempt to do this at first, at first they attempted to quarantine the flood.

  53. CRACKSHOT99 April 5, 2010 at 3:52 pm -      #53

    This would be a great match if more was know about the Forerunners but their is’nt, so we’ll have to conclude in Star Wars beating the Forerunners.

  54. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 3:57 pm -      #54

    “This would be a great match if more was know about the Forerunners but their is’nt, so we’ll have to conclude in Star Wars beating the Forerunners.”

    This comment is filled with so much fail I burst into laughter upon reading it.

  55. Overpowered April 5, 2010 at 4:29 pm -      #55

    I’m gonna go with Forerunners right now, but it most certainly wouldn’t be a curb-stomp either way. I’ll get more into this later, I have to go right now.

  56. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm -      #56

    “but it most certainly wouldn’t be a curb-stomp either way.”

    As of now it is a curbstomp, in favor of the Forerunners.

  57. shaun182 April 5, 2010 at 5:06 pm -      #57

    we can assume somethings like that the empire greatly outnumbers the forerunners, in that it is made up of millions of planets, where the forerunners only seemed to have dozens.

    normal slipspace drive is slower than hyperdrive, only the ark portal was shown to be faster but seemed to be a one off thing, probably requiring massive amounts of energy which only an installition like the Ark or portal generator on earth, can produce not everyship.

    forerunner sentinals, have been shown to be susceptible to human and covenant weapons, which both fall far under par of that used by the Empire.

    the empire is not without is own super weapons, death stars, sun crusher, galaxy gun, world devastator, eclipse, even if there not on the same level of the rings, their smaller destructive power, makes them far more useful in a war, not genocide

  58. TheSorrow April 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm -      #58

    Personally I thought at least one of the books in the Forerunner Trilogy would be out by now, but that might be do to my own impatience. Hopefully it will be soon though, that was the whole reason I put this fight up, because the books should be coming out this year.

  59. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 5:21 pm -      #59

    “Personally I thought at least one of the books in the Forerunner Trilogy would be out by now, but that might be do to my own impatience. Hopefully it will be soon though, that was the whole reason I put this fight up, because the books should be coming out this year.”

    Yeah first one this year.

    “we can assume somethings like that the empire greatly outnumbers the forerunners, in that it is made up of millions of planets, where the forerunners only seemed to have dozens.”

    You make me laugh. The Forerunners had 300 years of constant war where they where constantly losing planets. ‘dozens’ is not the correct word. They had most of the Milky way colonized.

    “normal slipspace drive is slower than hyperdrive”

    UNSC and Covenant sure. But the Forerunner Dreadnought is working at around 10% power and was able to easily outclass any other Covenant ship.

    What we have seen of Forerunner slipspace has been instant, which is the Ark Portal and teleportation grid.

    “only the ark portal was shown to be faster but seemed to be a one off thing, probably requiring massive amounts of energy which only an installition like the Ark or portal generator on earth, can produce not everyship.”

    Unknown. I am currently watching Halo Legends: Origins part 1 because I think there is a part about teleporting.

    “forerunner sentinals, have been shown to be susceptible to human and covenant weapons, which both fall far under par of that used by the Empire.”

    Or there are Onyx sentinels that take Anti-Tank mines, or combat Covenant ships in space.

    “the empire is not without is own super weapons, death stars, sun crusher, galaxy gun, world devastator, eclipse, even if there not on the same level of the rings, their smaller destructive power, makes them far more useful in a war, not genocide”

    Or the forerunners can just sit in Slipspace and say ‘Fuck you’ and teleport Anti-Matter into Star Wars ships without having to worry about any form of counter attack.

  60. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 5:39 pm -      #60

    @ shuan
    Your post is full of theory and speculation.
    For all we know they COULD be in another galaxy that exists within slipspace.
    But pure conjecture.

  61. Spellca April 5, 2010 at 6:03 pm -      #61

    I will admit the mistake in regard to the varients of sentinels, I was in a rush and had only checked again once I had posted without time to make corrections.

  62. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 6:35 pm -      #62

    “I will admit the mistake in regard to the varients of sentinels, I was in a rush and had only checked again once I had posted without time to make corrections.”
    No worry all those varients are considered canon.
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinel

  63. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm -      #63

    So uhh… anyone else got anything to add? Or are you all going to just ‘not enough info’ it away so that the GE don’t lose?

  64. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm -      #64

    “So uhh… anyone else got anything to add? Or are you all going to just ‘not enough info’ it away so that the GE don’t lose?”
    eh…you don’t really have any evidence either, if you do could I take a look please ?

  65. Swifterdeath April 5, 2010 at 8:52 pm -      #65

    “eh…you don’t really have any evidence either, if you do could I take a look please ?”

    *Facepalm*

    www.factpile.com/star-wars-vs-halo.htm

    Nattuo’s argument (That goes back a bit before the 100 comments it shows you at the beginning)

  66. Dr.D April 5, 2010 at 9:24 pm -      #66

    if the setinals were so powerful then i wonder why they can be taken down by a pistol used by human.
    to my conclusion it’s practically the ancestor of human(forerunner) vs evolved humans of the future(galctic empire)
    i’ve also been wondering if the sentinels can take on the droid armys of the cis.

    …i’m not sticking around to see this battle and get killed by bombs or any deadly crap and asger let me into the bomb shelter please.

  67. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 9:27 pm -      #67

    “if the setinals were so powerful then i wonder why they can be taken down by a pistol used by human.”

    You’re forgetting the sentinels on Onyx, which were powerful enough in numbers to destroy a covenant fleet.

  68. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 9:32 pm -      #68

    Ok so what about the Sentinels? I missed alot, can someone give me the short version of what happened while I was gone? I’m sure I can find something to argue this.

  69. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm -      #69

    Just clarifying the types of sentinels present in the Haloverse.

  70. TheSorrow April 5, 2010 at 9:40 pm -      #70

    You know Ryushi it is so much easier for you to scroll up the page and read the comments yourself instead asking us.

  71. TheSorrow April 5, 2010 at 9:50 pm -      #71

    And before anyone starts talking about the effectiveness of Sentinels in combat, I must point out beforehand that the Forerunners refer to them as “our very basic countermeasures”. That leads me to assume that there are far stronger weapons at the Forerunners disposal.

    I believe most people are still thinking of the current incarnation of the Forerunners, where all that is left of them are a smattering of ruins here and there in the galaxy, though these type of fights usually have both sides at the height of their power. Don’t know if I am correct in assuming this, it’s just feeling I’m getting.

  72. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm -      #72

    Alright this has gone on long enough. There is a lot of assumptions just because some guy names Nattuo or whatever the fuck his name is came and started making claims. First off how do we know if their ability to teleport shit works through shielding? Second how do we know if they can teleport from slip-space? Your whole argument hinges on the ability to teleport yet I haven’t seen not a single link nor page number on this thread that backs up any of whats been said here. The only thing I saw were links to sentinel pages so stop making the outrageous claims without some outrageous evidence aka back your shit up or shut the fuck up.

  73. TheSorrow April 5, 2010 at 9:59 pm -      #73

    I do have my doubts on Forerunner teleportation capabilities as well. The only times I have ever seen them used was with MC popping up in the Library by 343 Guilty Spark and the activation of the portal to the Ark.

  74. Megaraptor18 April 5, 2010 at 10:02 pm -      #74

    Midnite has a point links or page numbers would be nice to see

  75. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 10:05 pm -      #75

    “Nattuo’s argument (That goes back a bit before the 100 comments it shows you at the beginning)”
    No that is not a fucking face palm you ass wipe, nattuo clearly made assumptions and the current status of the forerunners is unkown, ok will someone else prove to this guy that these are just not pieces of factual evidence, like what the hell !!!

  76. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 10:07 pm -      #76

    @Mega-Its like they forgot the rules of making people believe your story on the Interwebz. That rule is pics or it didn’t happen.

  77. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 10:08 pm -      #77

    @mm
    thank you and others

  78. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 10:12 pm -      #78

    And also not just pg numbers but direct quotes too. Any jackass can just put down random numbers knowing it more then likely won’t be checked by people who don’t have the book. Also your welcome Orpheus. Just trying to help maintain the order we all worked hard to attain on this site.

  79. Ryushi April 5, 2010 at 10:22 pm -      #79

    I agree with Midnite all the way, but I’m one of those guys who won’t lie about the stuff I’m talking about, and I get sick when people accuse me of it, I hardly saw any links from the idiot known as Nattuo.

  80. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 10:23 pm -      #80

    ” And also not just pg numbers but direct quotes too.”

    - As I’ve learned the hard way……. damn Halotics…….among others……

  81. Orpheus12 April 5, 2010 at 10:24 pm -      #81

    ““eh…you don’t really have any evidence either, if you do could I take a look please ?”

    *Facepalm*

    www.factpile.com/star-wars-vs-halo.htm

    Nattuo’s argument (That goes back a bit before the 100 comments it shows you at the beginning)”

    See,Swifterdeath you got pwned.
    You deserve a major facepalm for what you said, but I’m a nice guy so …you just got served.

  82. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 10:27 pm -      #82

    ” idiot known as Nattuo.”

    - And so begans the bastard offspring of the Halo and Star Wars thread – filled with mud slinging, second guessing, and enough assumptions to make the politics of Eastern Europe look tame.

    Hoo-fething-ray.

  83. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 10:30 pm -      #83

    ” believe your story on the Interwebz”
    - YES! Another of the words I coined is continueing to spread – need to add that to the article I’m writing.

  84. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 10:31 pm -      #84

    I’m going back to the bunker, who’s with me?

  85. Marche April 5, 2010 at 10:32 pm -      #85

    What word?you mean Interwebz?

  86. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 10:35 pm -      #86

    I just did a word search…. someone beat me to it…. damn….. deleting from article.

  87. midnite marauder April 5, 2010 at 10:38 pm -      #87

    @Kenny, Ryushi, & Orphues-As far as I’m concerned this Nattuo guy can get the fuck off with bogus claims and he can take Swifterdeath and anyone else dumb enough to believe a random block of text with no evidence behind it with him. That’s why I respect hotshot. He may be a rabid fanboy but at least he backs up hat he says with links and pg numbers. He may be wrong when it comes to other verse but he’s basically right when it comes to Halo. Not like these guys though who think they can just tell me something with know evidence behind it and call whoever doesn’t believe them a dumbass. They are worse then politicians and Steve Jobs.

  88. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 10:47 pm -      #88

    Just checked some of the books, no where does it state that the Forerunner are able to “hide in slipspace and teleport antimatter”. So I have no idea where this fan wank comes from.

  89. Kenny C. April 5, 2010 at 11:04 pm -      #89

    Another thing to consider is some things I gained from Halopedia (for those who are beganing to bleed from your eyes or about to yell at me for using such a heretic text…. bear with me.)

    - Apparently the war lasted 931 years……. which… is confusing considering the speeds given for Forerunner tech and Flood infestation times…. but… whatever.

    ” Following the 300 years of devastating warfare between the Flood and the Forerunners…………. Forerunner military forces were ordered to don heavy armor and other personnel were ordered into protective stasis. Flood were taken into M-type Forerunner installations and studied in an effort to find yet another countermeasure”

    - Let me get this straight….. after 300 hundred years of warfare…. with an enemy that favors using close combat and infection…… you finally decided that wearing heavy armor was a good idea…………………………………………………………………. I’m I reading this right? Please tell me this is actually an assumption…. not written fact.

    - I’m also looking into build times for the Halos and the other notable Forerunner creations for a comparsion to the Empire’s ability to basically recreate a Deathstar in two to your years.

  90. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 11:14 pm -      #90

    Installation 04 was destroyed in late September of 2552. The replacement Installation 04 was “ready to fire in just a few more days” in December of that same year.

    (Nabbed from the official Halo website timeline)

  91. Cargo April 5, 2010 at 11:37 pm -      #91

    I would just like to add that the replacement Installation 04 was probably the only thing under construction at time by the Ark.

  92. Zervziel April 6, 2010 at 2:13 am -      #92

    I could say that until we know more about the Forerunner we can’t really tell, but then again, we don’t need to. Mostly because the Forerunners were phenomenal idiots, taking something like 250 years to respond to the Flood.

    Anyway to speed things along, we could always get someone who’s got a good brain in their head to figure out just how powerful the Pillar of Autumns explosion was we could get an idea of the power needed to destroy the Forerunner’s megastructures. Also don’t forget, the Sentinels can be destroyed without too much work with the weapons in Halo, so SW grade weaponry will….rape those robots.

  93. orpheus12 April 6, 2010 at 5:16 am -      #93

    @z
    Shut up…there are many types of sentinals….some strong enough to destroy covenant warships when brought together.
    Such as the sentinals of oynx.
    In which case these sentinals are invulnurable to the firearms in the halo universe.

  94. hotshot April 6, 2010 at 6:01 am -      #94

    The first book comes in 2011,not 2010 anymore.

    carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=968744

  95. Anti_Halo_Fan_Boy April 6, 2010 at 6:14 am -      #95

    Anything in Halo that can take out the starforge?

    Linked question, so can the sentinels go into close proximity with the sun?

  96. Siggymansz April 6, 2010 at 6:43 am -      #96

    @AHFB
    we don’t know wait 3 months or so and find out

  97. Overpowered April 6, 2010 at 7:53 am -      #97

    @Zervziel:

    Try actually knowing what you’re talking about. The Forerunners tried “every possibly solution” before firing the Halo’s. Idiot.

  98. Ryushi April 6, 2010 at 8:28 am -      #98

    @People voting for the Sentinels, I say those things are worthless, I mean really look at guys like the dark troopers, they could take most forms on easily, if one human with a hyped space suit could do that, dark troopers were bred to fight, SPARTANS were raised to fight, not born to fight.

  99. hotshot April 6, 2010 at 9:17 am -      #99

    @ryusi

    Sentinels aren’t worthless,they have different roles.

    Onyx sentinels can dig:

    goO pg 267

    “The motion came from a collection of thirty interlaced sentinels,their booms and center spheres assembled into an oblong shape,and through it’s center traveled a contrinuous stream of stone.To Kurt it looked like a mechanical worm regurgitating over the mountainside”

    ……

    “Sticks and flat round connectors.These may be the forerunners counterpart.They reconfigure to accomplish various tasks,having all required basic components:antigravity units,force field generators,energy projector weaponry.It is the equivelant,i suspect,of the simple machines that comprise our technology:the wheel,the ramp,lever,pulley and screw.”

    They can go in slipspace by tapping in a covenant ship

    p282

    “Above the north pole three new octaheradral formations of alien ships materialized in the glow of the slipstream exit field
    They can jump?Voro whispered.”

    Onyx sentinels are seen absorbing plasma weapons and using it back against the covenant ship.The first battle in space was lost by the sentinels,but they are adaptive and learned how to defeat the covenant easilty in space,they created something named “plasma capture”
    p298:

    Lateral lines heated and plasma barrages arced toward the approaching alien formations.Fire drained upon the leading eight sided construction and an energy shield coalesced that looked like gold-dapped water.The plasma hesitaded there as if caught in a magnetic field.It heated to yellow,white-hot,and tinged blue and ultraviolet.The plasma melted throug the shield,and then passed harmlessly inside the formation.
    “Plasma capture”?Waters whispered in awe.”That’s a hell of a trick.”

    Later in the battle,the sentinels fired the torpedos back.You see what tiny sentinels of 3 meters could do,i never saw dark troopers doing that.

    They are fast;

    p261:

    “the diving sentinels accelerated to 200 kilometers an hour.

    It is also very adaptive, each Sentinel transmitting its combat footage to an unknown intelligence that continually upgrades Onyx Sentinel combat algorithms.

    p251

    “The combined sentinel wasn’t his biggest worry,though.It was the one on overwatch.The sentinels
    patrolled in threes now:two at mid ground level,and another two to three thousand meters in the air
    watching everything,reporting their tactics,and learning”

    p251:

    “It seemed all their engagements with the sentinels were doing was teaching them how
    to be more effective in combat. ”

    When combining they become stronger:

    pg 174:

    “The drones can combine,Kurt told her”giving them cumulative power to their weapon systems,thrust,and shield capablilities”

    12 of them have megaton power weapons:

    pg 119

    “There were a dozen of them”

    ….

    “They wouldn’t be testing a megaton worth of destructive force while we were so close”Ash countered”

    Jurt saw that “megaton explosion from a distance

    pg 127

    “An explosion darkened the horizon with a mushroom cloud of fire and dust,and the holographic page dissolved before Kurt….”

    The sentinel can be destroyed by a grenade,but it’s very adaptive that even slow moving grenades can’t kill it anymore.

    pg 137

    “We’ve neutralized 2 drones with grenades.They have shields and deflect assault and sniper rounds.Slower projectiles are not deflected”.

    But later the sentinel learned how to deflect slow moving objects

    pg 319:

    “The grenade bounced off their shields,and harmlessly detonated in the air”

    The sentinel of onyx is far better then the dark troopers

  100. Kenny C. April 6, 2010 at 9:31 am -      #100

    I don’t actually see the Sentinels as a problem because we’ve only seen them in a couple places……. and the Empire has the Sun Crusher…. so……………..

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