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EPIC.
Both sides have all available characters in any timeline, and at the height of their powers.
Which side would win?
Suggested by Deathwish5
EPIC.
Both sides have all available characters in any timeline, and at the height of their powers.
Which side would win?
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“@ Negative Zero
Anime from mangas aren’t included?
That will seriously handicap the anime side.”
I never said that. I was reffering to comic books. Ya know, like DC, Marvel, Darkhorse and Image.
Oh I wasn’t claiming them to be omnipotent in any sense of the word, just explaining to you why they lost to TTGL. Believe me, I hate it when the word omnipotent and ‘god’ gets thrown around in these debates (superman vs goku anyone?)
to throw insult to injury, VG side also has YVHV from shin megami tensei. He is omnipotent, and is constantly creating billions of universes a second.
I know you didn’t make that claim, John, but Orber did and you were the one to respond to my challanging of that claim. I assumed, incorrectly, that you agreed with him.
@darkx
Wasn’t Dante in that shin megami game
#BASED
“Wasn’t Dante in that shin megami game”
Isn’t the person that made that game also help make DMC’s art?
Dante was only in there as a promotion and cannot be held as canon for Dante.
Dante’s inclusion wouldn’t be DMC canon, but his inclusion is canon for Shin Megami. Since this is general Video Games, it would count as canon for that version of Dante, but not for DMC Dante, nor Viewtiful Joe Dante, nor Darkstalkers Dante, nor any other cameo varients that I may have missed.
@laharl
I don’t see why not Dante appearing in shin megamn isn’t canon it doesn’t mess up the timeline or storyline so I’d day it’s canon unless it fucks up the main timeline like the dmc 1 novel did
#BASED
Ignore post 10
#BASED
is anyone arguing for anime? if so beat this list on this lvl with the same number of characters
Below planet busting to continent lvl:
Sora
Xemnas
Kratos
Bayonetta
Fayt
Maria
Sophia
Cloud
Sephiroth
Link
Ganondorf
Don’t forget Dante and ryu hayabusa
“Sora
Xemnas
Kratos
Bayonetta
Fayt
Maria
Sophia
Cloud
Sephiroth
Link
Ganondorf”
Testuo
Lucy
Ichigo
Naruto(nine tails)
Luffy
Alucard
Z
Krillin
What about Philippine anime?
One show, Super Inggo, has real actors and actresses as characters.
“Sora
Xemnas
Kratos
Bayonetta
Fayt
Maria
Sophia
Cloud
Sephiroth
Link
Ganondorf”
“Testuo
Lucy
Ichigo
Naruto(nine tails)
Luffy
Alucard
Z
Krillin”
impressive match up.
Tetsuo, lucy, and krillin(aint he a planet busters?) are the big boys here for anime. and as for Z i hope you dont mean Z from tenchi hes easily a planet buster with universe lvl durability he pwns everyone on this list.
but other then that a good fight.
Naruto, ichigo, Luffy would lose to Fayt, maria, and sophia. xemnas could probably handle Lucy. and bayonettas time control plus Gigaton punch could end krillin. Sora will have to deal with tetsuo.
**goes back to watch the hot spring episode again, because that one is hilarious*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsi9y1SIsoY&feature=related
Memories indeed.
Regadring AS being omnipotent.
There are several hints towards it, 1 is the AS saying he has complete and utter control in his dimension (where they where fighting him).Maybe I just mistake total control for omnipotence, but let’s just say he is omnipotent in his universe he still is a limited omnipotent since he would only be so powerfull in his universe.Also Darry (girl with pink hair) calls the powers of the AS “in gods domain” but this isn’t anything with much substance as it might just be her being totally amazed and scared
*Good god please link me to this.*
Final battle of the series I believe.Tried to link you but wherever I go I only find:
-you are not allowed to watch this in your country due to violation of copywright claims
-this video has been taken down by company X due to copywright claims
etc etc.
Three things then I’m going to bed.
1) Complete and utter control in his own dimension is only inclusive, and proven false as TTGL beats him there (although he was using self imposed limitations to inspire absolute dispair). Heck even total control over his own domain isn’t even omnipotence. Yes, anything he says goes as law (and when you can change and enforce the laws of reality that does go pretty far), but he hasn’t displayed something on the same level as creating a concept. For instance, despite everything the AS and the TTGL still faught in “real time” even while they were moving FTL and all that. This is indicative of a very liniar cause/effect existance. Were the AS omnipotent he could do away with time. Not just exist beyond, or attack through it, but destroy it totally and utterly. In effect this would make the universe static, which would have made the goal of the AS much more attainable because there would be no method in which another Spiral race could rise up to challenge them, because causality would have been destroyed; the state of everything would be unchanging because it could no longer be changed. PIS, I know, but still.
2) Limited omnipotence is not only oximorinical, but also self defeating. The whole point about omnipotence is that it has absolutely no limits within its area of relevence. The very best someone could manage against an omnipotent being is a draw, and that draw would be an eternal battle of “I beat you!” “No you didn’t, I beat you!” “Nuhah, I won” ect. because since they are omnipotent they could also win, but since they are omnipotent they can choose to never lose. The Anti-Spirals lost against the very thing they swore to fight against for the sake of the universe. I highly doubt that they would willingly choose to lose against that, and so, by implication of being defeatable, I doubt their omnipotence even within their own realm. Additionally, if they were only omnipotent within their realm than an omnipotent from beyond their realm could do as they wish with that realm because that realm would be inside of their own realm. The AS realm was within our universe, but (for sake of arguement) the Christian God (omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresant) exists beyond and throughout our universe, so He could do with the AS’s realm as He saw fit. I don’t see how it would be any differant from the Three Goddesses as they came from either nothingness or some nebula in the galaxy (since the statement that they came from nothingness is more recent I belive that one is more accurate). That would put their “realm” beyond that of any universes that they create.
3) We’ve been over this. Godlike is subjective. Friece Deity Link is “godlike” and I see no reason why someone like Samus or Darth Vader could not put him down with ease. The Light Spirits from TP were godlike, yet Zant could bitch slap them around. The Deku Tree was a lesser deity and Ganondorf killed him with a death curse even when he was just a man. Thor (DC) is by definition a god, yet he can be killed by bullets. Superman is in all but name a physical god; he has but to assume the title of god and he would be acknowledged as a deity. Heck you can look no farther than the GL series itself, when Simon, a mere man, kills the Anti-Spirals with nothing but a drill made of his own willpower.
What measure is a god?
As previously mentioned, I am rewatching the series. I’ll keep my ears open for any mention of omnipotence, and if there is one I’ll revise my challenge of it accordingly, but for now I still see no significant evidence.
“As previously mentioned, I am rewatching the series. I’ll keep my ears open for any mention of omnipotence, and if there is one I’ll revise my challenge of it accordingly, but for now I still see no significant evidence.”
The movies are also canon, although I have not seen either, so I cannot say what else is available because of them.
I forgot add kenshiro and can’t bayo only produce giga force with her hair demons
Are characters that are real persons considered omnipotent?
@ man
Care to elaborate? The only character I’m aware of that semi-transcends the boundary between the real and fictitious worlds is The One-Above-All.
The Philippine anime Super Inggo, where real Philippine actors and actresses appeared on the show.
Off topic:
Woody Woodpecker talks to Walter Lantz himself before every show. during the first few episodes of the Woody Woodpecker Show.
@ man
My guess is they wouldn’t be considered to be omnipotent unless they were shown intervening with in-show events from the real world. Even then they would only be considered all powerful in the Super Inggo universe. It’s all too subjective to use in such a battle imo.
Oh well, so much for the “omnipotent because they are real” argument.
Is Pokemon Anime or Video Game?
Video game. Digimon is anime though, I believe.
From an earlier post, they sid Digimon started as a video game.
It was released as a digital pet on June 26, 1997.
On March 7, 1999
An anime was produced, called Digimon Adventures.
@darkx
Nah I doubt anyone you’ve listed could handle Lucy. Lucy basically takes everyone you’ve mentioned on the battlefield considering her current self had a unqauntified amount of vectors at the At the end of the manga, Lucy’s Vectors are more or less Country Wreckers, able to bring about storms and hurricanes, wreck buildings, destroy jets, and lay waste to Japan and her vectors are lengths bordering on a planetary scale.
––Who’s the black private dick
That’s a sex machine to all the chicks?
Chuck!!
Ya damn right!
Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
Chuck!!
Can you dig it?
Who’s the cat that won’t cop out
When there’s danger all about?
Chuck!
Right On!
They say this cat Chuck is a bad mother
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I’m talkin’ ’bout Chuck
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!
He’s a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
CHUCK INGLISH!!!!
“The Light Spirits from TP were godlike, yet Zant could bitch slap them around. ”
That was just with a fraction of Ganondorf’s power too.
Lucy takes Xemnas easy, Maka and Soul take Gannon, Haru Glory( whatever the rave master is called) takes Link, Shonen Jump’s top 3 take on FF7 and Kratos, Al is Al, I belive Tetsuo is incorperal, Guyver Gigantic XD spams some black holes and city busters(low estimate), I geuss there’s more.
“Nah I doubt anyone you’ve listed could handle Lucy. Lucy basically takes everyone you’ve mentioned on the battlefield considering her current self had a unqauntified amount of vectors at the At the end of the manga, Lucy’s Vectors are more or less Country Wreckers, able to bring about storms and hurricanes, wreck buildings, destroy jets, and lay waste to Japan and her vectors are lengths bordering on a planetary scale.”
im sure they in fact can i can break down each fight:
Lucy vs Xemnas= Xemnas will just travel thru darkness until hes next to Lucy. and his speed is such that she couldnt get a lock to hit him with the vectors. if she could it wouldnt matter since unless she can remove the KH hearts from him he wont die, and he can surround himself in darkness making himself untouchable. fight ends with a laser to the face since she doesnt have the feats to block them.
“Haru Glory( whatever the rave master is called) takes Link”
Depends on which link.
“Shonen Jump’s top 3 take on FF7 and Kratos”
do you mean the universes of bleach, OP, and Naruto? if so the parameters need to be rised. GoW, FF7, StarOcean 3. star ocean solos them all. GoW solos Narutoverse, maybe bleach and everyone in OP except Kizaru falls as well. Holy and meteor are just icing.
Al….no counter, other then not dieng he isnt a treat to anyone.
Tetsuo inst incorporable last i checked just powerful.
Blackholes will meet etereal blasts and cease to be.
the executioners from SO:3 solo everyone in those lists.
They’re weren’t lasers as in literal lasers. They were lasers as in energy blasts that actually moved relatively slow
-––Who’s the black private dick
That’s a sex machine to all the chicks?
Chuck!!
Ya damn right!
Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
Chuck!!
Can you dig it?
Who’s the cat that won’t cop out
When there’s danger all about?
Chuck!
Right On!
They say this cat Chuck is a bad mother
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I’m talkin’ ’bout Chuck
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!
He’s a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
CHUCK INGLISH!!!!
So here is a problem, what happens when everyone dies from both universes except the invincible people? What happens when no one left has the ability to kill the opposing survivors? I vote tie for this reason.
“They’re weren’t lasers as in literal lasers. They were lasers as in energy blasts that actually moved relatively slow” Aren’t you a two sided itch.
You never accepted that claim for Dante when he was hit by something like that.
“You never accepted that claim for Dante when he was hit by something like that.”
No comment next question please!
Last time i checked testuo has lightspeed reation and can xenmas survive his head exploding or heal missing limbs
–––Who’s the black private dick
That’s a sex machine to all the chicks?
Chuck!!
Ya damn right!
Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
Chuck!!
Can you dig it?
Who’s the cat that won’t cop out
When there’s danger all about?
Chuck!
Right On!
They say this cat Chuck is a bad mother
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I’m talkin’ ’bout Chuck
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!
He’s a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
CHUCK INGLISH!!!!
@ Based God
I find it slightly and strangely funny and annoying that you have a longer signature than relevent post information.
“I find it slightly and strangely funny and annoying that you have a longer signature than relevent post information.”
I’m just talkin about Chuck
-–––Who’s the black private dick
That’s a sex machine to all the chicks?
Chuck!!
Ya damn right!
Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
Chuck!!
Can you dig it?
Who’s the cat that won’t cop out
When there’s danger all about?
Chuck!
Right On!
They say this cat Chuck is a bad mother
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I’m talkin’ ’bout Chuck
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!
He’s a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
CHUCK INGLISH!!!!
“Xemnas will just travel thru darkness until hes next to Lucy. and his speed is such that she couldnt get a lock to hit him with the vectors.”
Reaches into space within seconds, and its too much to say she catches Xemnas less than a few feet away, sense has been made.
” if she could it wouldnt matter since unless she can remove the KH hearts from him he wont die”
That was never a necessity for killing him or any nobody, all you need to do is destroy the body, however you can.
“Tetsuo inst incorporable last i checked just powerful.”
As long as he has the power, his body is only a medium for him to contact others.
“Al….no counter, other then not dieng he isnt a treat to anyone.’
Because they can’t die right?
“do you mean the universes of bleach, OP, and Naruto?”
No.
“the executioners from SO:3 solo everyone in those lists.”
Setting up straw men? Excellent.
“is anyone arguing for anime? if so beat this list on this lvl with the same number of characters
Below planet busting to continent lvl:
Sora
Xemnas
Kratos
Bayonetta
Fayt
Maria
Sophia
Cloud
Sephiroth
Link
Ganondorf”
Theres still the omnipotents on the video game side to deal with.
So video games for the factpile award then?
Both sides are too vast, with too many omnipotents and high end characters to judge. Video games has the edge at the moment, but only because most of us here are more well informed on them.
It’s not like Nintendo vs Warhammer where we could at least create some viable strategy for each side, we’ve probably barely scratched the surface of either party.
“we’ve probably barely scratched the surface of either party.”
It also doesn’t help that new animes and video games are constantly being created huh?
“It also doesn’t help that new animes and video games are constantly being created huh?” or that anime doesn’t have the same limits as videogames.
Anime doesn’t have to deal with the damn ratings board.
Sora vs Naruto and Luffy = Sora wins!!!
Cloud vs Ichigo = Cloud wins!!!
Link(Any Link whit all his items) vs Ben Tennyson = Link wins!!!
(DBZ games count like games, so there are in the video games team so) Future Trunks vs the Bleach universe = Future Trunks wins!!!!
Resident Evil vs Naruto Shippuden = Resident Evil wins!!!
Snake vs Ash Ketchup = Snake wins!!!
So Video Games for the FP awards.
“(DBZ games count like games, so there are in the video games team so)”
No thier not!!! They were an anime before they made video games so thier on the anime side.
“Ash Ketchup”
Pretty sure it was Katchum. I HATE Pokemon and even I knew what that twat’s name was.
We should wait.
New anime and video games are being created left and right.
Or until some franchise from either side pops up with ridiculously overpowered characters that nobody dares compare them.
“Video games has the edge at the moment, but only because most of us here are more well informed on them. ”
This.
“Link(Any Link whit all his items) vs Ben Tennyson = Link wins!!!”
So you give Link everything, but not Ben? That is hardly fair, give Ben the master code at least.
‘Resident Evil vs Naruto Shippuden = Resident Evil wins!!!”
The spiritual monsters like to say otherwise….
“Cloud vs Ichigo = Cloud wins!!”
PFFT okay.
“Snake vs Ash Ketchup = Snake wins!!!”
I know very little about Snake, but I don’t see him taking to the boulder-melting flames of Charizard very well.
Or to the legendary pokemon friends Ash met.
And it’s Ketchum.
‘I know very little about Snake, but I don’t see him taking to the boulder-melting flames of Charizard very well.’
Can’t he just shoot him from afar with a railgun, 50 caliber sniper, AR, etc? I don’t remember Charizard being capable of surviving bullets or railgun rounds.
It’s been awhile since I even touched or saw anything Pokemon…
@Soldier’s Shadow
Meh, Charizard could probably be gunned down yeah. Pokemon can take very high powered attacks with the best of ‘em, but of course, we’ve never been shown any of the cute little creatures getting shot before.
I’m also assuming all of Ash’s Pokemon would be present however. That’s a mouse that can summon lightning bolts, a superpowered insect, supersonic giant tornado-causing birds, a giant sumo-cat that can cause earthquakes, summon walls of ice etc etc.
Anyhoo, Pokemon is on the video game side.
“Snake vs Ash Ketchup = Snake wins!!!”
Sorry for being a nerd but I belive this is a refference to the episode where Ash made a fake name while dealing with some local gangs….or was it “Tom Atao”
“Meh, Charizard could probably be gunned down yeah. Pokemon can take very high powered attacks with the best of ‘em, but of course, we’ve never been shown any of the cute little creatures getting shot before. ”
Though, taking earthquakes to the face and attacks that reshape the world should count, sometimes I’m at a loss when dealing with pokemon.
“Though, taking earthquakes to the face and attacks that reshape the world should count, sometimes I’m at a loss when dealing with pokemon.”
That’s the mind-numbing power of Nintendo.
“That’s the mind-numbing power of Nintendo.”
Seems that it’s…..Super Effective.
“That was never a necessity for killing him or any nobody, all you need to do is destroy the body, however you can.”
true, i took his word as fact instead of everyone makes mistakes.
“Reaches into space within seconds, and its too much to say she catches Xemnas less than a few feet away, sense has been made.”
dont quite understand, are you saying she can catch him or she cant? if youre saying she cant…agreed, if youre saying she can, i doubt it since Xemnas constantly blitzed sora during the fight, the same fight where sora proved to have light speed reflexes.
“Because they can’t die right?”
you know what i mean, quasi omnipresence only keeps him alive for the long haul, he will wipe the floor with the lower characters, but once you get to people in his teir that are mentally stable, and highly damage resistant hes not going to be a threat anymore…unless he can show from your thoughts?????
“As long as he has the power, his body is only a medium for him to contact others.”
mmm so what happens if you….ya know kill him?
“Setting up straw men? Excellent.”
not quite, more like provoking the conversation my objective was make a low tier list, had a quick conversation about it…then toss in someone who solos it in hopes that someone brings up a character to fight that character. that way we systematically run through characters.
Not many people are going to get this, but Ahem would if he saw this. The Wheel of Time was a PC game back in the 90′s, and the book series had some Creation-busting PEOPLE in it, so that should help the Video Game side, even if it doesn’t need it.
@ Aelfinn
only series that were originally video games are on the VG side, and only series that were originally anime, or manga then made into anime are allowed of the anime side. So, no WoT for VG side.
Donkey Kong and Pacman for the win.
…Yep…
“Donkey Kong and Pacman for the win.
…Yep…”
Rolling barrels and Power Pellets for the win!!!
I just realized that the video game side also has the Great Mighty Poo. Even if he gets killed I’ll bet that stench will linger forever.
How does Pac-Man fit into the equation? Could he simply eat everyone?
“How does Pac-Man fit into the equation?”
Hes a video game.
“Could he simply eat everyone?”
Mabey.
Sora can summon the Gene and wish for the win for the Videogames team.
“Sora can summon the Gene and wish for the win for the Videogames team.”
The Star Rod or Triforce would be better though.
I agree with Negative Zero here.
Well OriginalA convinced me a bit about the Zelda goddesses.
But I say this fight is overall a tie, although I still think Kami-Tenchi, Lord of Nightmares, the Chousin, and a few toonforcers like nabeshin and bobobobo and if manga is included, Manga God from Sakuratetsu Taiwahen (he could just retcon the video game-verse out of existence permanently) would be a gamechanger in this fight.
I don’t really no how many bullets pac-man can take or what a ghost could since he can kill by simply touching you.
There is way to much information,characters, and powers to decide who would win.
Yeah, I have to admit, for all we know one side has the ultimate character that can give the win for that side, like Deus Ex Machina, and the winners Yuno and Yukki from Mirai Nikki. Deus is the the lord of time and space, Yuno and Yukki are people who inherited that title, in order to fully understand you’d have to read the manga, it’s a twisted thing, real demented, but interesting.
2 words: Dante pwns
what about warcrafts sargeras and deathwing
This is a messed-up stalemate in scale and scope.
I can clearly agree on how arguing the Big N multi-verse vs Warhammer 40K is much easier, mainly because the former had to go with last-ditch options just to even fight off the Dark Eldar, the C’Tan, and the Tyranids, all at the same time.
Words would not be enough to describe the desperation in the options selected on either side.
This match is just to freaking huge
Nobody’s going to win this until some random video game or anime debuts with characters that are so overpowered, the other side cannot hope to gain a victory.
Bass and Dante solo. /thread
Kratos
“Zeus your son has returned. I bring the destruction of ANIME !
Helios
“The video games will fail again .
Trolol
Its very hard as most games and anime have characters from there own side. You would have to know all of them to deside hoo would win, but I say anime, there is a lot of anime and they all have some crazy stuf up there sleaves.