Flood Vs Necromorphs

Flood Vs Necromorphs

For this match it takes place on a Halo ring planet, so there are plenty of creatures that can be used as hosts.

Looking over what both sides have to offer, I think the Necromorphs take this one.

What say you?

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237 Comments on "Flood Vs Necromorphs"

  1. Omega-88 February 21, 2010 at 7:43 am -      #1

    ahahahahahah haahashh!!!!!! the flood wins easily no arguments.

  2. i dunno February 21, 2010 at 10:51 am -      #2

    just a query about the necromorphs

    is it ever explained if the host of a necromorph is still self aware?

  3. Orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 10:56 am -      #3

    I highky doubt if a host of a necro-morph is still aware, considering the significant mutations you see in the game.

  4. Orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 10:56 am -      #4

    I highly doubt if a host of a necromorph is still aware, considering the significant mutations you see in the game.

  5. _1538 February 21, 2010 at 10:59 am -      #5

    @Omega-88

    don’t just sit there and laugh, tell us how?

  6. Belisaurius February 21, 2010 at 11:09 am -      #6

    So, do necromorphs actually die? As far as I was aware, dropping them into the sun was the only way to kill them permenantly.

  7. i dunno February 21, 2010 at 11:19 am -      #7

    with the host no longer self aware, suddenly a lot less nightmare fuel flows with their blood…

  8. Orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 11:34 am -      #8

    For the necro morphs to actually die it requires you to amputate their limbs.
    I doubt that the necromorphs also have any way to permanetly kill the flood.

    @ admin
    What exactly are the creatures that are inhabiting halo.

  9. Belisaurius February 21, 2010 at 11:50 am -      #9

    @Orpheus
    Huh,
    I though amputating limbs only rendered them harmless.

  10. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 12:08 pm -      #10

    this is actually a really interesting match, flood vs necromorphs…..
    the flood swarm with infection forms to gain victims to assimilate, whereas the necromorphs drive creatures to insanity and causes them to kill themselves to assimilate.
    interesting…..
    big factor how is this match starting, like 1 flood spore, and one infecter?

    because its very possible for the flood to lose, because they need to accumulate biomass before the big thing start coming. but the necromorphs would have thier heavy hitter from the get go and would probably start with more infecters.

    the flood have proven themselves to be feared though. what i know about flood is that they are strong and can have numbers, but they are basically liquified inside so idk how much punishment a nonpure flood form can take, but necromorphs are greatly resistant to damage that doesnt remove limbs.

  11. i dunno February 21, 2010 at 12:24 pm -      #11

    do necromorphs have a central nervous system?

    wtf would happen if a flood infection form hit a necro…?

  12. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 12:46 pm -      #12

    its caused by a retrovirus i believe, it mutates the host, so they should still have a nervous system, just decayed and primal, under the control of the hive mind.

    “wtf would happen if a flood infection form hit a necro…?”
    well, hard to say i’d assume that since the flood assimilate biomass the infection form might take on the virus and be under the influence of the necromorphs.

  13. midnite marauder February 21, 2010 at 1:45 pm -      #13

    The necromorphs are created by an infector jammin its probe thing into dead creatures which change them into necromorphs fairly instantanly. They can technicaly over run the flood due to the rapid speed they are created. Couple that with the general superiority of their main combat forms compared to the flood and the inclusion of the heavier form of mutation and the match further goes to the necros. The only way I see the flood winning is if their armed with cutting weapons since bullets are generally useless as seen in the movie.

  14. theobserver February 21, 2010 at 2:16 pm -      #14

    Finally! I’ve been wanting to see this match for so long but I digress.

    The flood might have a slight advantage in that they can possibly have access to guns and other weapons but the necromorphs are unaffected by bullets and can keep going at you as long as they have something to kill you with. With the many different strains of Necromorphs that have tougher armors the flood infectors probably won’t even get to breach what’s underneath. Necromorphs have an instant conversion time and don’t have to worry about their victims “not having enough body mass”. This means that they’re not as picky as the flood infectors, who only possess bodies that have enough mass and flesh to create their warriors. I don’t even want to think about what would happen if the Necromorphs somehow had enough bodies gathered to make for the bosses seen in Dead Space.

  15. midnite marauder February 21, 2010 at 2:50 pm -      #15

    Exactly what observer said. They can use practically any piece of biomass to create a creature capable of ripping men apart from babies to severed heads. Nothing is to small or too big.

  16. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 2:51 pm -      #16

    when they jam the probe into dead bodies it releases a retro virus into the corpse reanimating it and rewriting dna.

    unless the flood get a hold of some plasma weapons or flamethrowers than they are gonna have a hard time, plus necromorph forms usually require a lot less mass and can tank alot more damage. not to mention that the infectors can create even more powerful variants of the same mutations at their own discretion, when needed.

  17. sonofhades February 21, 2010 at 3:48 pm -      #17

    once the flood enter the host they completely take control of the body thus rendering it to the flood, they also can use just about any weapon except for gravity hammers, energy swords and i think that’s about it. The flood come in many different forms not just as parasites, they also have mobile producers and giants egg sacks that release alot of the flood and if the necromorphs want to defeat the flood they need to find the gravemind and kill him. (Also flood usually lurk in the shadows most of the time but i bet the necromorphs do as well.)

  18. Orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 4:41 pm -      #18

    The flood have more than one way of infecting a creature, if an organism breathes in too much flood spores then they can turn into a combat form.
    Also if there is a large store of calcium then the flood are capable of creating pure forms.
    (I.e tank forms)

  19. theobserver February 21, 2010 at 4:54 pm -      #19

    “if an organism breathes in too much flood spores then they can turn into a combat form.”

    Well if that’s the only alternate way the flood can infect a host then the Necros take this one in for sure. Dead or alive if you get caught by the infector (then again this also applies to the flood), you’re dead and therefore have no need to breathe.

    “Also if there is a large store of calcium then the flood are capable of creating pure forms.”

    The battle takes place on a halo ring. In the first Halo the flood weren’t able to take in enough calcium to make pure forms so how would they gather enough to make any in this case?

  20. orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 5:18 pm -      #20

    “The battle takes place on a halo ring. In the first Halo the flood weren’t able to take in enough calcium to make pure forms so how would they gather enough to make any in this case?”

    Because they didn’t have as much freedom on the halo ring AND the halo had self-destructed.
    In halo 2 the flood were stuck in a Quarantine zone in which they had to fight both the massive amounts of the robotic sentinals and the small task force of covenant elites.
    Just look in high Charity, it’s smaller than Halo but, the flood turned it into a flood hive and created pure forms.
    In this match Admin, didn’t say anything about the sentinals or any other enemies other than the necromorphs.
    So the only thing you’ll get from this battle is a butch of corpses ripe for infecting and mutating.

  21. midnite marauder February 21, 2010 at 10:23 pm -      #21

    Your sort of missing the point. The flood won’t have time to gather any resources before they are swarmed. Once that probe thing is jammed into any form of dead tissue that piece of tissue is turned into a flesh rending killing machine within about 5 seconds of initial contact. That means 12 combat forms a minute from a single infector and man to man the necromorphs base combat unit is more powerful then the floods due to built in weaponry and superior durability. With 5 infection bat things the flood will be swarmed before they even get their army off the ground by combat forms ready for combat the moment they were poked. Couple that with their ability to merge to create bigger and more powerful forms and The Flood are screwed.

  22. orpheus12 February 21, 2010 at 10:44 pm -      #22

    @ MM
    I guess, anyways the flood don’t really have what it takes to properly kill the necromorphs.

  23. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 10:59 pm -      #23

    @sonofhades
    there will be no gravemind, flood advance in stages equal to the amount of biomass the have at their disposal and time, if they dont secure the resources they cant form a gravemind. whereas the necromorphs have the hive mind regardless of resources.
    the necromorphs have pregnants that release flesh corroding parasites upon bursting. not to mention the multiple forms the necromorphs have that are capable of launcing flesh shredding barbs.

  24. sonofhades February 21, 2010 at 11:29 pm -      #24

    The gravemind isn’t formed by multiple flood it’s the leader of the flood who is evil and really BIG. Also the flood have tentacle like extensions coming off of their body which could most likely tear away flesh as well.

  25. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 11:46 pm -      #25

    you seem to fail to realize that there isnt 1 gravemind. its a stage of the flood infection of an area. no resources no gravemind. however gravemind are telepathic, if this werent an isolated fight on a halo ring with no outside intervention then it would be possible for an outside gravemind to direct the flood but seeing as this is not the case they will need to gather resources and form a local gravemind or else they are stuck with primal instinct.

  26. sonofhades February 21, 2010 at 11:48 pm -      #26

    and you know this how first off? and if the flood do manage to get a gravemind how would it turn out for the necromorphs

  27. midnite marauder February 21, 2010 at 11:51 pm -      #27

    @Darkx-Not to mention they have those creepy, super fast combat forms that were enhanced due to the soldiers armour when the military intercepted that escape pod. Frankly the Necros got this.

  28. Darkbladex96 February 21, 2010 at 11:52 pm -      #28

    While only one Gravemind is ever seen in the games, it is only the title is given to the final stage of Flood evolution.

  29. sonofhades February 21, 2010 at 11:58 pm -      #29

    How did you manage to get that? And i still only know that it takes five seconds to infect somebody and that they can grow barbs to tear away flesh.

  30. Darkbladex96 February 22, 2010 at 12:04 am -      #30

    internet died while i was posting.

    well number 1 its in the book that comes with the collector editions of halo 3.
    and 2. umm read….halo.wikia.com/wiki/Gravemind

    and for the record. gravemind are merged corpses and flood biomass so again, no resources, no gravemind.

    this is an isolated fight they’ll need a new gravemind.

    the odds of them getting a gravemind are slim the time and resources necessary to form a proto-gravemind are large drains but then said proto-gravemind has to mature to critical mass requiring even more time and resources. and even then its rare. and even if they got a gravemind it wouldnt be that intelligent because it would only have the intellect of the creatures use to make it and it would be cut of from the other graveminds.

    the flood would do better not even attempting to make one.

  31. Darkbladex96 February 22, 2010 at 12:07 am -      #31

    @midnight
    ahhh i hated those things but they wont get em here. but they’ll have just about everything else.

  32. sonofhades February 22, 2010 at 12:07 am -      #32

    ………i still need more than two facts on the necromorphs.

  33. Darkbladex96 February 22, 2010 at 12:20 am -      #33

    Once infected, the transformation of a dead body into a Necromorph is extremely quick (with certain exceptions such as Leapers), typically happening in a matter of seconds (the transformation actually occurs in exactly 10 seconds, according to the game producers). This transformation is extremely gruesome and disturbing for observers. The body of the Necromorph host is forced into new twisted shapes to fit the function of the newly spawned creature. The actual type of Necromorph created stems entirely on the location and circumstances, as well as the host body’s current form. For example, Lurkers are created from any infant human. The bacterium responsible for the infection is also referred to as ‘The Corruption’ in background logs. All Necromorphs are extremely hardy and capable of surviving in lethal environments no human without appropriate protection could even venture into, such as the vacuum of space and being the main reason that they are reanimated undead organisms and do not need to rely on organs for respiration, and as experience shows, shooting them in the torso, let alone in the head is fruitless.

    Necromorphs do not suffer from the weaknesses of the bodies they are made from; their bodies need no oxygen to survive, and therefore no blood. Injuries that would kill an ordinary human, particularly the destruction of vital organs or severs lacerations, have little effect on them, and they will never cease an attack no matter how many bullets are fired into them. Countless have died due to not knowing the only true way to kill the Necromorphs: dismemberment. The only way to kill the creatures is to literally rip them to pieces; remove the head, arms, legs, and other appendages until the creature is killed.

    Each creature has its own strategies when it comes to dismemberment: some creatures will simply die after enough limbs have been removed, some creatures will die instantly if a specific limb is cut off, while some creatures will become even more of a threat if shot in the wrong place. Learning how to dismember creatures is mostly done through trial-and-error. However, dismemberment is the only way to stop the reanimated horrors in their tracks and is the best way to survive.

    Strangely enough, dismembering a Necromorph’s head doesn’t render them completely harmless and useless, and are somehow still able to attack you. How this is done is unknown, but it could be the Hive Mind and its telepathic powers, or some form of internal body sensor, or the Necromorphs have multiple eyes. It is also unknown how the bodies function without a brain. It could be that Necromorphs develop some kind of decentralized nervous system, and have some kind of brain-like structure elsewhere in their body (possibly several of them, in the case of the Divider Necromorph). This would explain why dismemberment is required to subdue them, as their brain has been relocated to their specific limbs. The origin of Dividers is unknown, and appear to be the reincarnation of a dismembered body. Slashers can be killed with one shot with the Plasma cutter if shot in the right place.

    dead space wikia.

  34. midnite marauder February 22, 2010 at 12:30 am -      #34

    I just went back and to the part where you first see someone infected(I think its the ships captain) and your right its 10 seconds. Still that extremely fast.

    Also too bad the necros can’t get Twitchers(my nickname for them). Those things were the most badass enemies in the game after that Regenerator boss thing. That fucker scared me the second time around when he crashed through the ceiling. Dead Space was the best horror game this gen.

  35. Darkbladex96 February 22, 2010 at 12:57 am -      #35

    yeah but towards the end it got less tense and more shooter, and i didnt like that plus it was short.

    but splitters and new things are possible because of the life forms on a halo ring. ahhhh splitters impossible mode nightmares.

  36. darnedvirus13 February 22, 2010 at 10:17 am -      #36

    @darkblade

    O.O, thank you for the info and i think my vote is gonna be safe with the necromorphs FTW.

  37. hotshot February 22, 2010 at 11:24 am -      #37

    A gravemind could communicate with floods on the other side of the galaxy

    The halo ring is enough for creating a flood hive,remeber how they quickly turned high charity into a flood hive while it was just a space station.

    The flood can create a proto gravemind very quickly as seen in the halo graphic novel.

    And the flood spores would infect the necros when they inhaled to lmuch

    The flood would win this

  38. sapper007 February 22, 2010 at 11:33 am -      #38

    do necromorphs breath?? being dead and all?

  39. Orpheus12 February 22, 2010 at 12:44 pm -      #39

    @ Sapper
    You obviously didn’t read the earlier comments.
    The necromorphs do not require oxygen, as seen in deadspace they are capable of surviving in the vacume of space.

  40. DarnedVirus13 February 22, 2010 at 7:17 pm -      #40

    O.O, now this is starting to change for me because of some acts…………this is an unnecessary comment to read.

  41. Darkbladex96 February 22, 2010 at 7:26 pm -      #41

    “A gravemind could communicate with floods on the other side of the galaxy

    The halo ring is enough for creating a flood hive,remeber how they quickly turned high charity into a flood hive while it was just a space station.

    The flood can create a proto gravemind very quickly as seen in the halo graphic novel.

    And the flood spores would infect the necros when they inhaled to lmuch

    The flood would win this”

    all of this is speculation. the flood have never had to compete over biomass like they will here. there are no other flood in existance just for the purpose of this fight so no intergalatic flood communication so a gravemind intellect is gonna be severely hampered. necromoprhs dont inhale. high charity was basically perferct for flood, all the biomass the wanted.

    how fast is fast? proto-graveminds are immobile sacs of corpses they dont do much of anything, full matue graveminds are so resource exhausting that there has only been at the most 2 since the extinction of the forerunners. then just the fact that necromorphs could kill flood and turn them into necromorphs and the flood have no means of mutating the necromorphs(or a method has yet to be proven)

    the necromorphs took out a space station in about 24 hrs.
    they took a mining colony, and mining ship within the same week.

    necromorphs forms come from necessity, flood forms come from stages. the necromorphs will have what they need when they need it. and they flood will have to fight for it so much harder.

  42. midnite marauder February 22, 2010 at 7:29 pm -      #42

    @hotshot-You obviously didn’t read any of the posts ahead of you but the Necros don’t breathe cause they’re dead already. The word Necro in their name should have given it away and if that didn’t the fact that they can operate in hard vacuum should have. Further more it doesn’t matter if a Gravemind can control them because in the time it takes to make one attack force for the flood the Necros would have had already overrun them. 10 second to create a unit capable of shredding yours man for man is too fast for them. one infecter can create 6 combat forms a minute. With just 5 infecters they’d have 30 combat forms a minute. In ten minutes they’d have 300 combat forms. They’d zerg rush the flood before they can even put up a proper defense. Necros for the win.

  43. DarnedVirus13 February 22, 2010 at 8:15 pm -      #43

    and this what i hate about fights.

  44. hotshot February 23, 2010 at 11:26 am -      #44

    Infection forms can infect someone in 5 seconds as seen in halo 3.

    Ok flood spores can’t infect the necros bu the spores can terraform an area in a flood hive.The halo environment contains enough fauna and flore,so the flood have no problem for reproducing.

    The proto gravemind in the halo graphics novel and halo evolutions was created in a few hours.

    That infector should first infect someone before creating a combat form

    There are some large flood buildings that can’t be killed and will regenerate,they reproduce lots of flood forms.

    Flood infection forms can fly as seen in halo legends

  45. Darkbladex96 February 23, 2010 at 11:56 am -      #45

    “Infection forms can infect someone in 5 seconds as seen in halo 3.”

    does it ever happen that fast in novel because as u know you get pissed on around here for using gameplay especially from halo.

    Ok flood spores can’t infect the necros bu the spores can terraform an area in a flood hive.The halo environment contains enough fauna and flore,so the flood have no problem for reproducing.”

    yep same can be said for the necros but they can infect the flood.

    “The proto gravemind in the halo graphics novel and halo evolutions was created in a few hours.”

    a protograve mind is immobile, and has limited intelligence, hence a target if it doesnt mature then its worthless.

    “That infector should first infect someone before creating a combat form”

    the thing with the necros is that an infector isnt need to make combat forms direct contact with the virus is enough as well. so both parties have physical and airborne infection

    “There are some large flood buildings that can’t be killed and will regenerate,they reproduce lots of flood forms.”

    necros also corrupt the area in a similar manner

    “Flood infection forms can fly as seen in halo legends”

    so can infectors

  46. sonofhades February 23, 2010 at 5:12 pm -      #46

    processing new facts into opinion and will see what happens next.

  47. midnite marauder February 23, 2010 at 5:24 pm -      #47

    I don’t take Halo: Legends to be canon cause some of the things shown in those episodes were completely ridiculous. For example that Dragon Ball Z style episode, that Gundam style episode, and that retarded looking water colored episode. And since I never ran into flying flood in the games nor were they mentioned in the novels your going to have to present evidence.

    Further more The Flood Transformation takes many minutes in actual canon then the newly infected form has to learn how to use their new body so that takes more time.

  48. sonofhades February 23, 2010 at 5:47 pm -      #48

    sucky fight, sucky fight, still bringing in new facts.

  49. Darkbladex96 February 23, 2010 at 6:19 pm -      #49

    @ sonofhades

    really……..,. stop that its really annoying to try and read relevant post to gather an understanding of the arguement with you posting your complaints about this fight. Whats the problem with this fight? huh?

  50. sonofhades February 23, 2010 at 8:47 pm -      #50

    @Darkbladex96

    no matter what happens it seems that the necromorphs always have the advantage over what the flood have so that’s y i posted “sucky fight, sucky fight.”

  51. cyborg pirate ninja jesus February 24, 2010 at 5:03 am -      #51

    i dont know who the necromorphs are but they will meet their doom at the hands of that freaky chicken flood thing on the pic….nothing could beat that

  52. sapper007 February 24, 2010 at 9:12 am -      #52

    “sucky fight, sucky fight, still bringing in new facts.”

    well sounds like you need to up your debate game and stop being so fucking worthless…

  53. hotshot February 24, 2010 at 9:33 am -      #53

    “does it ever happen that fast in novel because as u know you get pissed on around here for using gameplay especially from halo.”

    Yes,jenkins transformed in a combat forms in seconds,seen in halo:the flood

    But still game canon>books,except game mechanics

    “necros also corrupt the area in a similar manner”

    What kind?

    “I don’t take Halo: Legends to be canon cause some of the things shown in those episodes were completely ridiculous. For example that Dragon Ball Z style episode, that Gundam style episode, and that retarded looking water colored episode. And since I never ran into flying flood in the games nor were they mentioned in the novels your going to have to present evidence.”

    That dragonball z style is said to be non-canon,the rest is canon.What ridiculous things?

    Halo wars had flying floods

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Swarms

    halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Bomber_Form

    The flying infection forms were seen in the episode origins

    “Further more The Flood Transformation takes many minutes in actual canon then the newly infected form has to learn how to use their new body so that takes more time.”

    No it takes some seconds,
    games>>>books

  54. darnedvirus13 February 24, 2010 at 11:59 am -      #54

    @sapper007

    Look at the 18th post because that’s my reason for why I’m not posting anything else and also i only know that the necromorphs are a better version than the flood and that they don’t breathe.

  55. midnite marauder February 24, 2010 at 1:57 pm -      #55

    hotshot those are some pretty outrageous claims. I hope you have canon evidence to back up those claims. Basically what I’m saying is go fetch the urls to the sites where it proves you correct. Meaning documented evidence.

  56. OriginalA February 24, 2010 at 2:25 pm -      #56

    “Mid7night: Where in the gradient of Halo “cannon” will this fall? In the realm of the current-released books, or more like “published fan-fiction” ? (Posted 7/24/09 5:26 pm)
    Frankie: It’s canon, like books. Except for Toei. But there IS interpretation – armor styling etc. It’s art, after al. (Posted 7/24/09 5:42 pm)”

    From the Bungie.org forums.

    Frankie is pretty much the word of god for the halo series. Halo Legends (except episode Odd one out with spartan 1337) is canon.

  57. midnite marauder February 24, 2010 at 2:43 pm -      #57

    Thanks Original that clears that up. But hotshot still hasn’t proven the transformation time of a flood combat unit in comparison to the 10 seconds required for the Necros.

  58. OriginalA February 24, 2010 at 2:46 pm -      #58

    www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33630397

    To paraphrase.

    Game is top canon
    Then Books & other mediums
    Then ads

    So if the games say the flood can infect in seconds then he is right.

  59. orpheus12 February 24, 2010 at 2:51 pm -      #59

    “I don’t take Halo: Legends to be canon cause some of the things shown in those episodes were completely ridiculous. For example that Dragon Ball Z style episode, that Gundam style episode, and that retarded looking water colored episode. And since I never ran into flying flood in the games nor were they mentioned in the novels your going to have to present evidence.”
    Yeah…All of that was cannon except “THE ODD ONE OUT”.

  60. Orpheus12 February 24, 2010 at 3:01 pm -      #60

    ” Flood infection is a rapid and efficient biological process, which can take under a minute in extreme cases”
    (halopedia)
    So…it can take under a minute at most.

  61. midnite marauder February 24, 2010 at 3:21 pm -      #61

    But can it compete with ten seconds?

  62. Darkbladex96 February 24, 2010 at 7:56 pm -      #62

    @hotshot
    “necros also corrupt the area in a similar manner”

    “What kind?”

    walls covered in dead matter, creatures on walls that create other creatures, massive tendrils running throughout super structures, that sorta thing.

  63. OriginalA February 24, 2010 at 8:20 pm -      #63

    www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=33630397

    Basically: Games>published material>ads

    In Halo 3 the Flood can fully convert a target (such as an Elite or a human) in under 10 seconds.

  64. Darkbladex96 February 26, 2010 at 10:59 pm -      #64

    nice 2 fast spreading highly dangerous races.

  65. the_man_with The_Answers February 28, 2010 at 8:35 pm -      #65

    Halo Legends is not canon. Lets look at all the errors.
    Origins-
    The flood came after the discovery of the halo rings
    The UNSC and covenant never joined up
    Cortana can’t leap off of a hologram projector and wipe frost from a cryo-tube

    Homeoming-
    No SPARTAN escaped from Reach, went back to their home planet and saw their clones.
    No SPARTAN looked down on the project
    That SPARTAN was horribly slow
    Needler shots penetrated her armour
    The C.Q.C. suit didn’t even exist yet
    They don’t make armour in red

    The duel
    elites don’t chat about their social lives with there wives
    arbiters don’t have social lives
    Elites don’t were japanese clothes and armour
    Hunters arn’t 30 ft tall

    Proto-Type
    When they evacuated, the went to heart of the Midlothian, which didn’t even make it to the planet, it got intercepted if you read Halo-evolutions

    The one with S-1337
    facepalm

    The one with ODSTs
    SPARTANs don’t have long hair
    SPARTANs have taken harder hits than the one that killed her

    The Pakage
    Never happened
    The flyers don’t exist
    2 SPARTANs don’t exist
    MC first encountered elites at the fall of reach
    seraph fighters are messed up and way to weak

    Overall it sucked. plus the deaths don’t match up. Only 3 S-IIs died until the fall of Reach. Only 3 died Sam and Kurt(who everyone thought was dead) like 5 SPARTANs died in that movie. It doesn’t make any sense.

  66. OriginalA February 28, 2010 at 8:52 pm -      #66

    “elites don’t chat about their social lives with there wives
    arbiters don’t have social lives
    Elites don’t were japanese clothes and armour
    Hunters arn’t 30 ft tall”

    I’m sorry but what makes you an expert about alien culter from some thousand years past? Did it not occure to you that maybe their culter had been altered when they entered the Covenent (which was what the whole Duel episode was about).

    “The one with S-1337
    facepalm”
    Is stated to be non-canon.

    “2 SPARTANs don’t exist”
    Oh, so you know the names and numbers of every spartan that ever existed now?

    But above all the creator of the Halo Legends series, and the current franchies development director for the entire halo series, says it is canon. How the fuck do you despute that?

    What 343 Industies says is canon to halo is canon to halo, and they say that Legends (except Odd One Out with Spartan 1337) is canon. What you are saying is the equivilant of saying that Goerge Lucas doesn’t have canon control over the star wars universe. It is rediculous.

  67. the_man_with The_Answers March 1, 2010 at 7:49 pm -      #67

    Sorry, what I meant was those specific parts shouldn’t be considered canon. Seriously though, look at some of those mistakes. Needler shots that penetrated a SPARTAN’s armour? Needler shots pinged off of Maste Chief’s suit in The Fall of Reach. Have you read the Cole Protocol? From what I read, Elites don’t act anything close to how they acted. The reason the S-IIs didn’t exist was because they clearly died in the movie, but a total of 3 have died before the fall of reach. Sam and Kurt makes 2(though kurt was actually alive, he needed to seem dead). THey also seemed to be part of blue team, which was actually John,Kelly,Fred,Linda, and James. I’m not quite sure but I think they got Fred’s hair wrong as well.

    Lets bring George Lucas into this. You agree that the star wars movies are canon right? Remember when a snowspeeder crashed into the AT-AT? It took it down right? When people brought that up you(Not you personally) simply dissmissed it. My whole piont is that we shouldn’t really be using examples from Legends to back up or disprove anything, unless the example clearly makes sense and doesn’t really contradict previous canon.

  68. hotshot March 9, 2010 at 11:05 am -      #68

    “The flood came after the discovery of the halo rings”

    The flood are an extragalactic species and they fought the forerunners and other before.

    “The UNSC and covenant never joined up”

    The elites joined the UNSC.But indeed the brutes hnever did,ithey maybe showed that for drama

    “Cortana can’t leap off of a hologram projector and wipe frost from a cryo-tube”

    Maybe she got some forerunner powers as she absorbed lots of info from the alpha halo control room,remember in halo the flood,she just waved her hands and spark fell out of the air.

    “No SPARTAN escaped from Reach, went back to their home planet and saw their clones.”

    There is no proof of your statement

    “No SPARTAN looked down on the project”

    Some mebers of grey team did the same,trying to escape

    “That SPARTAN was horribly slow”

    Mistake of the anime magic

    “Needler shots penetrated her armour”

    Those needlers exploded

    “The C.Q.C. suit didn’t even exist yet”

    There is no proof,it did exist,there are mark IV,V and VI variants of that.
    Like the EVA

    “They don’t make armour in red”

    Spartans can customize their armor like noble team did in halo reach,they jhave the freedom.

    “elites don’t chat about their social lives with there wives”

    Why not?There is no source that denied that

    “arbiters don’t have social lives”

    The arbiter rank in that time was given as a honor,but because fal betrayed the covenant then the prophet changed the rank inot a suicide rank.

    “Elites don’t were japanese clothes and armour”

    That’s their traditional armor ,their cultureThe cole protocol novel confirmed it.

    “Hunters arn’t 30 ft tall”

    They can take any sizes they want,frank o connor said that.

    “When they evacuated, the went to heart of the Midlothian, which didn’t even make it to the planet, it got intercepted if you read Halo-evolutions”

    That UNSC frigate was gonna link up with the mitlothian,but that destroyer ship is destroyed.I can’t see any wrong thing,you are just confused.

    “The one with S-1337″

    It’s confirmed to be a non canon episode,so don’t worry.

    “SPARTANs don’t have long hair”

    Ash from gamma company had

    “SPARTANs have taken harder hits than the one that killed her”

    It’s a gravity hammer,it’s very powerful.

    “Never happened”

    ????,Why not?The chief fought in more then 200 missions against the covies,the package mission is one of them.If you disagree,then you can probably list all those 200+ missions.

    “The flyers don’t exist”

    Do you really think that bungie gave us all information of the entire halo universe?You are acting like you know that all.

    “2 SPARTANs don’t exist”

    The halo creators never gave us all spartan names that ever existed,so you are wrong.

    “MC first encountered elites at the fall of reach”

    That’s old canon,really?Why wouldn’t the chief never see any elite?They are the leaders of the covenant military.

    “seraph fighters are messed up and way to weak”

    There is nothing wrong with and those shields are down.

    “Overall it sucked. plus the deaths don’t match up. Only 3 S-IIs died until the fall of Reach. Only 3 died Sam and Kurt(who everyone thought was dead) like 5 SPARTANs died in that movie. It doesn’t make any sense.”

    The number of spartans are messed up since first strike.There are more spartans then we know,you are acting like you know everything.

    Your complains are useless,you really think you have the entire halo bible in your hands.Relax,it’s canon and they said the spartans numbers will grow and become more ridiculous,i’m not worried as they know what they are doing.

    Back on topic the flood would win

  69. Darkbladex96 March 9, 2010 at 11:53 am -      #69

    so how about some more proof of why theyd win it seems pretty even to me.

  70. hotshot March 9, 2010 at 12:41 pm -      #70

    Stronger flood forms

  71. midnite marauder March 9, 2010 at 12:48 pm -      #71

    Care to elaborate on that hotshot like posting the forms and their strengths from canon sources so i can rip them apart.

  72. Darkbladex96 March 9, 2010 at 12:53 pm -      #72

    after aquistion of necessary biomass required to create and maintain more powerful forms. besides necromorphs have more powerful forms also.

    this is a very even match.

  73. hotshot March 9, 2010 at 12:59 pm -      #73

    Oke midnite,but not now.Haven’t much time

  74. Omega-88 March 9, 2010 at 2:05 pm -      #75

    HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOTSHOT YOU TAKE MY PICTURE AGAIN AND AGAIN !!!!
    HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOTSHOT YOU TAKE MY PICTURE AGAIN AND AGAIN !!!!
    THE SITH LORD PICTURE IS MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NOT YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    YOU PICTURE IS THE ELTE PICTURE NOT THE SITH PICTURE!!!!!!! DUMBASS!!!!!!

  75. Darkbladex96 March 9, 2010 at 2:14 pm -      #76

    originally i had every necromorph link but that one wouldnt post
    so heres the link to the necromorphs

    deadspace.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Necromorphs

  76. orpheus12 March 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm -      #77

    “When they evacuated, the went to heart of the Midlothian, which didn’t even make it to the planet, it got intercepted if you read Halo-evolutions”

    Idiot…..they went to the ship before The Heart of the Midlothian was intercepted by the covenant strike team.

  77. orpheus12 March 9, 2010 at 3:13 pm -      #78

    Flood combat forms don’t breath either.

  78. hotshot March 13, 2010 at 5:43 am -      #79

    WTF?My post is somehow removed???????

    Infection form:

    They infect lifeforms,there are other variants of them capable of flying.seen in origins

    Combat forms:

    Are infected species

    Carrier forms:

    They transport infection forms and create them.They explode when being hit.
    The explosion is very dangerous

    Flood spores:

    They can create hive and can infect species when being inhaled.

    Stalker form:

    It is specialized in stealth and agility.It attacks someone with melee attacks

    Ranged form:

    It can stick into a wall and starts firing spikes.It can curl into a ball for protection

    Tank form:

    A large flood form attacking it’s enemies with powerful melle attacks.It also ejects infection forms from it’s mouth.

    Proto gravemind:

    Evolves into a gravemind,it stores lots of information from dead bodies.It can’t move or attack.

    Flood growth pods:

    Spherical pods creating infection forms inside.Are created in flood areas.

    Flood dispersal pods:

    The flood equivelant of the HEV pod and covie pod.They use it to quickly infect a large area.

    Infector form:

    It fires flood spores and is capable of regenerating.

    Transport form:

    It’s capable fo carrying 6 other combat forms into a destination.It recycles flood biomass

    Stealth form:

    Like it name says,very good at stealth and has 4 tentacles capable of firing 4 weapons.

    Juggernaut:

    large flood form and powerful,could jump very far and high.Ita attacks with 2 powerful tentacles.

    Flood launcher:

    A flood tower,fires long range flood biomass,it’s powerful and it also released spores.

    Swarms:

    Flying flood forms firing barb projectiles,they attack in large packs.

    Flood dent:

    A large building capable of creating many flood forms,it can’t be destroyed by any conventional weapons.It will go in dormant state when sustainig enough damage.

    Bomber form:

    Flying flood forms,strong and bombard their enemies with pods full of infection forms.

    Trasher form:

    Lagrer then a tank form,it attacks with melee attacks.

    Flood stalks:

    A tree like structure with growth pods.

    Flood vent:

    A building that creates bomber forms,it can’t be killed.

    Flood colonys:

    Can’t be destroyed but can’t attack either.
    It gives power to the proto gravemind

    Flood root:

    A large tentacle that grapes and throws it’s enemies.

    Many undentified flood forms in rorigins,,some are the size of space ships.

  79. Cargo March 13, 2010 at 5:51 am -      #80

    Not that I know of.

  80. omega-88 March 18, 2010 at 2:57 pm -      #81

    The flood wins ahahahah

  81. omega-88 March 18, 2010 at 2:58 pm -      #82

    AHAHA the flood win

  82. hotshot March 19, 2010 at 1:14 pm -      #83

    Yup,the flood for the award

  83. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 8:00 pm -      #84

    Bullshit….Necros for the win.

  84. Darkbladex96 May 24, 2010 at 8:01 pm -      #85

    you cant jump in make a list and claim victory……….fucking retard.

    no damn proof.

  85. quietrunner13 June 28, 2010 at 10:02 pm -      #86

    arent you forgetting about the Corruption?

  86. hotshot July 18, 2010 at 12:38 pm -      #87

    “Bullshit….Necros for the win.”

    No proof?

    “you cant jump in make a list and claim victory……….fucking retard.”

    1.That’s because midnite asked me
    2.Look at yourself,you claimed that the necros will win this without giving a single proof,you have won the award of retards congratiolations

    “no damn proof.”

    So did you
    C’mon prove me how those necros are gonna dflood forms that can’t be killed and can spit lots of flood forms

  87. chuckforest July 23, 2010 at 2:20 am -      #88

    Think of it like this the flood conquered the second most advanced race in halo and in order to be stopped had to have all sentient life in the GALAXY obliterated and they still lived compared with the necromorphs who were failing to get at your character the miner (although he did have a shitload of plot-shielding)

  88. hotshot July 23, 2010 at 4:09 am -      #89

    Not only that,they conquered many other galaxies

  89. Imperfectly Perfect Symmetry July 23, 2010 at 5:02 am -      #90

    lmfao!!
    I have been waiting and watching to see when this match would come up!! :D
    I love both of these species…and each is completely OMGWTFPWN in their own area’s of expertise. This is just basically a race. The flood have the ability to take this as a win, but they would be hard pressed. Just as The Flood can Terraform an area, the Necro’s have been shown to do the same, just no way near as large on a scale as The Flood. That might be the key to victory. The Flood itself is a Flood Supercell. Each one intelligent and capable to communicate with electronics. Also, if enough are present, they can make any organ they want, or structure, or hell…perhaps even entity.
    halo.wikia.com/wiki/LF.Xx.3273_Flood_Super_Cell

  90. Mortified Incite July 24, 2010 at 12:43 pm -      #91

    Another one? Here is my list of pros/cons, it was a close fight mind you.

    PROS:
    NECROMORPHS:
    Tough,
    Stealth oriented,
    biological weapons,
    scarier,
    Dexterity,
    FLOOD:
    Swarm oriented,
    able to operate weapons,
    very fast spreading,
    able to infect many necromorph types,
    huge hive leader (thousands of miles of tentacles every direction)
    Very efficient at recycling bodies (took hours to turn High Charity into a hive, a planet sized ship),
    In back stories Flood are able to reused dismembered forms (immediatly reused),
    CONS:
    NECROMORPHS:
    able to be infected by the Flood,
    unable to have many long range weapons,
    slower spreading rate,
    plays dead (inefective against Flood),
    smaller Hive Leader,
    Not as efficient at recycling bodies (days to turn the Ishimura, a planetoid sized ship),
    Dies when dismembered (eventually recycled),
    FLOOD:
    Weak,
    Bio Weapon isn’t as efficient as Necromorph’s,
    Not stealthy,
    Brutes/dividers and other types can’t be infected,
    Humerous looking,
    Not as dexterious as Necromorphs,

    The Flood has more going towards it. Personally I find it distasteful that The Flood was able to beat the Necromorphs, but facts don’t lie.

  91. Matt July 26, 2010 at 5:25 pm -      #92

    Well, seeing how an engineer with power tools fought the necromorphs by himself and killed their hivemind, while an intergalactic empire fought the flood for 300 years and only managed a stalemate I would have to say the flood is better.

  92. chuckforest July 27, 2010 at 4:42 pm -      #93

    @ Matt I sure didn’t say that a couple posts ago… (whistles)

  93. CIDE August 1, 2010 at 8:11 pm -      #94

    In the first battle between the two with a straight up struggle Flood would win. They infect and mutate faster and are considerably stronger and faster than many of the necromorph creatures.

    However the necromorph as a virus rather than a parasite can infect the corpses of both flood and their hosts. That said it can even infect still living flood and their hosts. Ultimately it would go to the necromorph.

    It would take a very long time but it’s a far more resilient species.

  94. unsc freak August 7, 2010 at 11:34 pm -      #95

    flood, they took over a planet with a population of 220 billion in under 36 hours.

  95. DoubleU132092020920 August 16, 2010 at 12:19 pm -      #96

    The flood have it as only one spore can infec one person while the infectors for necromorphs can infect many more; also remaining on the infectors point of veiw you’ll have to shoot the necromorph infector multiple times before it falls and the flood you only have to hit it once and even if they are in a group they will send off a chain reaction when you hit one and they deep poping like balloons. I beleive that they still remain intaked with they’re bodies intill they die for both the flood and the necromorphs; for the flood though you only know that they have conciousness through the book it never clarifies in the game or give hint to it, while the necromorphs I know that they have concious because of the slight hints they gave in through the games movieand the comicbook; we all know the story of them haveing a first hand veiw of the floods point of veiw in the halo book so easy enough said there, the necromorphs though give hints to that of people with the possibility to have they’re mind in tacked to the body, you see this in the first game of the precher as he thinks he is sending people off to the good of the church because of the stone which was making him go insane and not think throughly right; then to the movie it took into acord of all the people who worshiped the rock because it called out to them, to the people of the ships security and how the rock made the men seem like they were going insane, to Iorns the big belleid guy how talked to the rock worshipers as he even though could probably continue fighting (you have also seen him strugleing to remain focus through out the whole film) fell to his knees and started praying hoping his flesh would deem him worthy of serving they’re will; then to the wii game this I think gave us some of the biggest hints; the man in the first chapter seems to be an ordinary guy in the beggining and he is an enginner and is called to lift the rock for transport you hear a ring and he continues to do his work to what his boss told him to do(… yadey blah blah story continues) he is then faced with people who are acting weird people killing others (fast forrward things intice) you get to the point where Logan goes “insane” right here is where your first hint is (the flash and the jumping screen) your guy seems completly normal and is doing just what you think you might be doing (continue he hears voices kills more enimes blah blah blah kills other employee he came in with, starts yelling for help to the comming down elevator as the “enimees” (run at him to attack and kill him)) you get further on the elevator hits he freaks out seeing more insane people come off of it and is shot only then does he see that they were not enimees and dies in confusion, latter on you start seeing lights and sounds and voices and you see people killing others as you run by them (blah blah blah), the team you are with falls appart do to lossing they’re minds and dieing, Lexine falls into the water being eatten by the swarmers and you don’t find her, doctor lady starts going insane as you hear her words in the begining, claiming that she did not know what happened where she was and what she was doing till she found Lexine in a complette other location where she healed her and fought a brute then secured her in the area with Eggheart where he allows the drag tentacle to get her, so with this if Isac could see Nichole maybe because he was going insane then maybe the other guys where seeing her because they were going insane too; the comic book was helpful by taking place of the doctor and his coruption already and it changing to a greater greed of his own, to the guy in the cell writing gibberish to all, to the mass suicide in the main district hall; so I think that necromorphs have they’re human mind like the flood do but they see things as something completly differnet, the game shows the people seeing necromorphs but maybe they may be seeing something else something that is more of a hate and a must and they just lose they’re fear. The varity to the necromorphs and the flood is probably a tie, I’m sure that Halo mint this but they never had shown this and also that Dead Space ment this that the infection forms can act on all tissue able to support life however it does state for the flood they host off of dead tissue and with the necromorphs though the most common way of them getting the supports is by dead as well they can make it off living tissue as well. The flood are more appted to slaugher by heat and main points on the body and will morph the body not as great as the necromorphs, but they more of stretch the skin with the muscle fibers to form a more apptable host, they also consist of a liquidy substance more like tar then mucus making certain attacks useless towards them; the necromorphs on the other hand live more on the will power of that they hold intwined with the artifact rock, this in making them able to run without blood and vital organs, the bodies however are mutated greatly stretching bones and muscles fusion of others together and of they’re own physical and mental states, the positives to them is this makes them more powerful and able to run against your flairing gun without the thought of pain and extents to the multitude of attacks and strength atribuations, the down side to this is the skin is stretched out of propoortion breaking it and sending it in rips to the ground exposing tender joints of which can now be dismembered easier for the most, but as theyr’s bodies run on they’re own will power even against impossible odds they will not die till they’re life time has served it’s own course of the decay of they’re own flesh. They are equal and simular in the ways that they breed and co-inherent with other life forms and inanimated objects with the spread of the infectious ground that serves as a great breading place for them and for the young where if the infection gets deep enough it can suck you down and consune you. The ability to run on attack and sheer willpower as the life support and ability to change more bodies with one creature makes it clear that necromorphs are the more dominiant race of the two. [I probably missed several things so write back if something is not clear to you... and you don't have to look at my annylasis or even bring that into the picture if you want to have yours' said as the flood though that is not what I would agree to.]

  96. overlord August 21, 2010 at 8:47 am -      #97

    Are Forerunner tech availible to both sides? If so, the flood who actually know how to use it clearly win.

  97. Matt August 23, 2010 at 12:45 am -      #98

    @chuckforest It happens

  98. Mortified Incite August 27, 2010 at 12:07 am -      #99

    @DoubleU
    You are confussing a spor for an infection, and hypothetically yes an infection Flood is weaker, but a spore is a very small object that can infect also, and the gravemind spews billions of spores.

  99. @Mortified Incite August 27, 2010 at 10:49 am -      #100

    The flood spores may be many and yes they are but they are about the same size as a persons head they are just made of some sort of liquid substance. And Sorry for the long message it was a long day so I did some cmparisons and answered to the most degree of things. Now onto the Grave Mind he is of one while for the Necromorphs there is 5, likely named: The Hive Mind, The Leviathan, The Urchin, The Slug and The Spider. Even if The Grave Mind was the stronger of them all with the numbers he would be taken down most likely. Again sorry for the long read but actually thanks for reading the whole thing. Oh and along with the fore-runners technologies; if the flood used them it would only kill them because it kills there food source while Necromorphs don’t have have a food source they just multiply and kill making them the upper hand. It states that it actually kills all living things which Necromorphs are not living they are just possessed by an artifact that will effect all living things any way after being expossed to it for a certain amount of time.

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