Suggested by orber
Perhaps one of the biggest universe battles of all time. For this match, we are using all characters from all Japanese Anime against all characters from “Western” companies such as Marvel, DC Comics, etc.
Let’s get ready to rumble!
Which side wins?
@Akuma
Excel killed her own writer.Just because it was animated because Excel saga was poorly funded doesn’t change that.
“-Living Tribunal is right below TOAA in power levels.”
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Still not Gurren Lagann levels.
@Lizard God
Considering how they may have had a hand in the trolloc summoning rituals as of late, I don’t think they’re listening, either!
Methinks its gonna take the Jurai Empire vs the Imperium of Man to get any attention warranted, I suspect!
@Akuma Gohan brought them back. No harm no fould right
That’s why Goku told him to go all out 
Goku solos 
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See
“Still not Gurren Lagann levels.”
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That being spirals and anti-spirals?
Don’t forget about Vegeta’s Big Bang Attack
“Still not Gurren Lagann levels.”
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Logic aside, the Living Tribunal is omnipotent, that is, he can do anything and everything he wants.
If we go by your assumptions the GL is omnipotent as well, then it’s a stalemate.
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What’s more, Meme Norris is on the animation side. He was on Family Guy with his fist-chin.
Deadlock for the Deadlock Gods!!!
Futurama also has the Brain Spawn. They can make everybody on the anime side into a bunch of dysfunctional idiots. Fry was the ONLY known person immune to the Brain Spawn because he lacked the Delta Brain Wave.
@Officer N.Z
Mind sharing more on that Delta Brain Wave stuff, sir?
Methinks the Anime side might have counters to that, though, so the answering of my question is a JIC ordeal!
According to the Brain Spawn, the Delta Brain Wave is given off by all living creatures, plants, and even robots. Fry is actually SO stupid though, that his Delta Brain Wave is non-existent. All of his other brain waves have taken it’s place to form a somewhat fuctioning brain. The Delta Brain Wave is what the Brain Spawn manipulate in order to make their victims drooling morons.
@Officer N.Z
Common sense dictates that Elemental Compatibility might show someone on the Anime side not getting brainwashed, though!
Problem is…any candidates worth noting?
“Problem is…any candidates worth noting?”
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No, the biggest issue is that there are so many characters with massive variety of powers and abilities in Anime that it becomes very difficult to think of any right off the bat.
“-Living Tribunal is right below TOAA in power levels.”
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Still not Gurren Lagann levels. ”
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What? No. Gurren Lagann isn’t even close to the Living Tribunal. The LT is present in every single multiverse, and has held a MEGAVERSE in each hand. He’s shown himself to be far above even the Infinity Gauntlet. It would me far more effort to crush an ant than it would for the LT to crush STTGL.
*It would take me far more effort.
Even if some Anime characters lack the Delta Brain Wave doesn’t mean it’ll give the anime side a win.
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The small majority left that can still function would be MASSIVELY overwhelmed and outnumbered by the Western Animation side.
Again, ignoring omnipotents because both sides have them, comics crush anime because of LT, Lucifer, Michael, etc. Even heavy hitters like Demonbane are insignificant compared to high tiers in comics.
We might need more people in there if we want to get anywhere, methinks!
Wait, don’t both sides have things that cancel each other out, left and right?
DC and Marvel are most likely the two powerhouses on the Western Animation’s side that will decide this fight. I really don’t know what the Anime side has to counter them.
@TheSorrow
Well that’s what we’re here to find out!
Its suspected the Anime side might also have FTLers already, that aren’t outright omnipotents either, and if they have all of Super Robot Wars on their side?
Yeah, needless to say that’s a lot of stuff to deal with, and that’s not even regarding what happens if the full brunt of Shin Megami Tensai’s involved, either!
“Its suspected the Anime side might also have FTLers already, that aren’t outright omnipotents either, and if they have all of Super Robot Wars on their side?
Yeah, needless to say that’s a lot of stuff to deal with, and that’s not even regarding what happens if the full brunt of Shin Megami Tensai’s involved, either!”
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Again, it doesn’t matter. There’s no non-omnipotent in anime/manga that even comes close to the Living Tribunal.
@TBC
No known non-omnipotent, so far!
We may have to await Orber to clarify some regards as ever, methinks, if the Lizard God doesn’t do that first!
“Still not Gurren Lagann levels.”
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What. The. Fuck.
@crusader: so, you just straight ignore anime omnipotents, but you can use the west omnipotents? How does that make sense?
The Data Entity from Haruhi, Haruhi herself, Yuki being close
The goddesses from Tenchi Muyo, various angel and devil characters that are on par with those characters. There is plenty to draw from.
Just cause you want to ignore it, or make special limits for anime (that you won’t do for the west) doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Try harder.
““Still not Gurren Lagann levels.”
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What. The. Fuck.”
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Yeah Gurren Lagann gets a ton of wank. I’ve seen people claiming that STTGL can beat Lucifer.
“so, you just straight ignore anime omnipotents, but you can use the west omnipotents? How does that make sense?
The Data Entity from Haruhi, Haruhi herself, Yuki being close
The goddesses from Tenchi Muyo, various angel and devil characters that are on par with those characters. There is plenty to draw from.
Just cause you want to ignore it, or make special limits for anime (that you won’t do for the west) doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Try harder.”
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Try to actually read someone’s argument before criticizing it. We don’t argue omnipotents because a battle between two omnipotents is a stalemate. Since comics have omnipotents, and anime has omnipotents, we can effectively ignore both. So then we debate nigh-omnipotents.
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Try harder herp derp.
You kept bringing up the Living Tribunal, a character whose key power IS omnipotence, for your arguments.
But if you just wish to say that is just nigh-omnipotence, as in TOAA types are only true omnipotent characters, we can go that route, where the above mentioned examples match with LT, Lucifer, ect in the “nigh-omnipotent tier” characters.
All things considered, even cutting out the True God types at the top, suggests a draw/ no-contest.
Also, take a look into Gurren Laggans Anti-spiral, and the tengu tools gurren lagaan mecha.
You’ll see at the end of the series they are quite capable of creating and destroying universes, changing physics, time, reality, and pretty much are in the league of people like LT, Q, Beyonder, ect.
( auto correct messed up the spelling, sorry)
“The Data Entity from Haruhi, Haruhi herself, Yuki being close”
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lol nope, nothing in The melancholy of Haruhi is Omnipotent.
“Yeah Gurren Lagann gets a ton of wank. I’ve seen people claiming that STTGL can beat Lucifer.”
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What the fuck?
Haruhi is able to undo reality and just make up another universe because she didn’t like how the first one was turning out. She consistently rewrote physics, time and space for this, as in the first book.
In the next book, Sigh of Haruhi, she willed a laser cannon from a contact lenses without changing the lenses, gives a cat speach and intellegence, and creates working laser guns out of squirt guns by just wanting it to occur.
It’s stated several times in the books and series by Kozumi that she is God.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhi_Suzumiya_(character)#section_3
Look into it.
Go ahead and actually know what you are talking about first before you try to half heartedly refute on blind bias.
She demonstrated feats that well put her along side Beyonder, Q, very clearly in the omnipotent tier.
Give it another go. It’s sort of funny.
Yeah nothing there is omnipotent, just universal level really.
You guys keep bringing up Marvel and DC. It’s established that DBZ crushes them so I don’t see the point. But since we also have guys like Megaman and Gemini Saga here it’s almost not fair. Let’s not forget Dark Schneider and Train Heartnet. Anime solos
So anyway, what counters to the Brain Spawn could the anime side have?
@Officer N.Z
Barring the individualized cases, this is what we’re here to find out, unless you count a being like Kyubey from Madoka Magica recruiting females from the W.A side to turn them into Magical Girls if they aren’t already abnormal, to begin with!
Need me to cite out the Madoka Magica wikia that’s bleeding out citations?
@CC
I would like to know what Madokaverse is capable off.I heard it’s pretty powerfull but I really can’t bring myself to watch a magical girl show.
“You guys keep bringing up Marvel and DC. It’s established that DBZ crushes them so I don’t see the point. But since we also have guys like Megaman and Gemini Saga here it’s almost not fair. Let’s not forget Dark Schneider and Train Heartnet. Anime solos”
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Sigh.
@Orber
Its from the guy who directed the 1st Magical Lyrical Nanoha series, along with the guy who brought us Fate/Zero with Nasu’s consent(The latter goes by the name Gen Uroubachi, I believe ringing any bells actually!)
Meaning, its actually a dark deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre in general!
I can link to you the 1st two episodes of that series, your call if you wish to go afterward, because after the 2nd episode is when it takes a serious turn for the depressing, really!
So which languages if you plan to watch the 1st two episodes before making a verdict to watch the ones after that?
“I would like to know what Madokaverse is capable off.I heard it’s pretty powerfull but I really can’t bring myself to watch a magical girl show.”
Ever read or watched Card Captor Sakura?
@Lieutenant
I did.
Madoka Magica Deconstructs a lot of the stuff shown in Magical Girl shows, pretty much!
But what does CCS do, again?
So being able to undo a universe and just create a new one, destroy and create realities and dimensions is only a universal power?
Last I checked, being able to unmake and create existance as you see fit is the standard feat for being considered omnipotent.
Anyway, Brain Spawn could get stomped good by all sorts of anime characters. Various Gods, the Chousen, Kami Tenchi, anti-spiral, all could make quick work of them.
If your looking for a fair match, there are all sorts of very old civilizations, powerful civilizations that could give the brain spawn a good fight.
Also, as far as the actually match up, its a draw/ no-contest in the overall, and even if we go tier by tier by tier the outcome still looks to be a draw.
@CC
Hmm I guess at the very least I should give it a try then, before I mouth it off.Going to marathon atleast 3-4 eps this weekend then because I got the time.Will report back later.
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*Ever read or watched Card Captor Sakura?*
Nope.Should I?
@Tech/Mana
I am trying to apply the fact that this match is a stalemate, no other way around it, best bet is to go about it bit by bit, I am not sure its actually working!
Do these people want Terumi Hazama(BlazBlue) vs Darth Sideous to happen, already?
@ Commander
Card Captor Sakura.
It’s a magical girl show/manga. That manga skyrocketed the popularity of the magical girl genre.
And it’s a good one actually.
The manga was created by the manga artist group CLAMP, which also created the Tsubasa Chronicle and xxxHolic.
I’m not showing any spoilers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardcaptor_Sakura
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Sakura’s cards are quite powerful, I can go ahead and say she can go toe to toe with Yugi Muto unless the King of Games pulls out Egyptian god level cards and above..
@Lieutenant
Care to have her against Lucy Heartfila of Fairy Tail, then?
Although I’d kid you not on Terumi Hazama vs Darth Sideous, really!
www.factpiletopia.com/viewforum.php?f=99
@Lieutenant
Anywho, care to get to the 3 threads I just made so we could get your help?
“Although I’d kid you not on Terumi Hazama vs Darth Sideous, really!”
Don’t know about the two. Don’t care.
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“Care to have her against Lucy Heartfila of Fairy Tail, then?”
Lucy’s summons are too weak. The only way Lucy can beat Sakura is by Urano Metrea, and even that can be countered by Sakura’s cards.
sdb.drshnaps.com/objects/7/932/Sprite/CCS-ClowCards.png
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Let me give you a few examples.
The Windy, allows Sakura to control wind
The Watery, The Earth, The Fiery, same ability to control elements.
The Create, allows Sakura to simply write something on a book, the books makes that thing real, like a dragon.
The Fight, makes Sakura become a skilled fighter
The Sword, gives a sword that can cut through anything
The Shield, gives a shield that can protect against any attacks save for those coming from The Sword
The Little, makes a target tiny
The Big, opposite of The Little
The Light, covers everything in light
The Dark, covers everything in dark.
The Maze, a near unnavigable maze erupts from the ground
The Time, creates a time loop
The Return, takes you to the past
The Dash, gives super speed
The Erase, erases you from existence
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You can find other cards here.
ccs.wikia.com/wiki/Clow_Cards#The_Erase_.28.E6.B6.88.29
@Lieutenant
Sideous is the wuss who got slain by Kid Buu in his match, as the only two viable ways he could hope to kill Kid Buu is via a MAD tactic or playing the long game for however long the latter would last, and Terumi Hazama is basically a very negative entity in the BlazBlue universe who just won’t stay dead at all, considering that negative emotions makes him more powerful!
Sakura’s cards make her hilariously powerful.
If only because of her slow reaction time, (she’s an elementary kid for crying out loud!, she can probably beat MC.
See my examples from above.
@Lieutenant
Not too shabby, her vs MC has potential to be Badass if done right.
Although if its otherwise a stomp-fest in her favor, you might want to hand MC at least one Scarab Gun, JIC, alright?
“So being able to undo a universe and just create a new one, destroy and create realities and dimensions is only a universal power?
Last I checked, being able to unmake and create existance as you see fit is the standard feat for being considered omnipotent.”
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What? You must be new here. Universal level feats are never enough for omnipotence. the LT or any Marvel High-tiers should stomp her, and they’re not Omnipotent. Omnipotent, means that you cannot be beaten in anyway whatsoever. Recreating reality is just extremely high level Reality warping, not omnipotence. LT could do that if he wanted, but he’s not omnipotent. Thanos with the HotU could do that, yet he is not omnipotent. Universe is her limit unless she shows more, that means that she can’t affect the multiverse. Any abstract level being worth their salt could do what she could, and probably much better as well.
“Not too shabby, her vs MC has potential to be Badass if done right.”
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No it won’t.
MC shoots her in the head before she can do anything.
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Better be her against Yugi Mutou.
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Good night.
@Lieutenant
Not if she got some kind of indestructible helmet.
So her vs Yugi’s better?
“No it won’t.
MC shoots her in the head before she can do anything.”
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I should probably rephrase this”
MC shoots her in the head before she can do anything. Otherwise, the moment she pulls out any of her more powerful cards cards, it’s game over for the Chief.
@Lieutenant
You mean Quick-Draw session?
Aww man!!!!
Why not her vs Eragon?
“-Living Tribunal is right below TOAA in power levels.”
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Still not Gurren Lagann levels.
Err? What?
TTGL and STTGL has the power to destroy one universe, may be two when going all out. Plus the ability to reality warp
LT casually stomped characters that can destroy and reality warp infinite universes
unless animation LT is much weaker than the comic.
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Anyway, has TOAA ever appeared in Western animation?
If not, I’m going to say anime
It has Tenchi Muyo, which has Kami Tenchi, whose avatar awakening almost destroy all of realities.
Tenchi Muyo realities include
- infinite universes parallel to 3D universe (the regular universe, since time was not counted as a dimension back then)
-Infinite universes parallel to 4D universe, each 4D universe is infinitely larger and more complex than a 3D universe.
-Infinite universes parallel to 5D universe, each 5D universe is infinitely larger and more complex than a 4D universe.
Rinse and repeat, for how many time I don’t know.
“Sigh.”
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I have that affect on people
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Anyway Goku solos
@River
Great to see you here as well!
This is already enough of a deadlock as it is, I wonder how to get the point to come across, exactly.
@Riverlia we get to use comic books and manga as well.
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“You kept bringing up the Living Tribunal, a character whose key power IS omnipotence, for your arguments. ”
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No… Living Tribunal is not omnipotent. He is below TOAA, and was defeated by Thanos with HOTU.
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“Also, take a look into Gurren Laggans Anti-spiral, and the tengu tools gurren lagaan mecha. You’ll see at the end of the series they are quite capable of creating and destroying universes, changing physics, time, reality, and pretty much are in the league of people like LT, Q, Beyonder, ect.”
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LOL. It’s been said before, but STTGL is no where near LT. STTGL hasn’t even destroyed a multiverse. LT is omniversal. Saying STTGL is close to Pre-retcon Beyonder is just insane wank.
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@Cross:
It is supposed to be a dead lock if we are using comic
Because in the end, it’s just literally Omnipotent character vs literally Omnipotent character, which mean clash of paradoxes. A literal Omnipotent character, after all, cannot lose by definition.
Even if we don’t believe in literal Omnipotent, the sheer amount of ‘infinity’ involved is too insane to debate.
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The only reason I’m bothering to hurt my brain here is because it’s not comic/animation vs anime manga, but just Western animation, which I haven’t seen much, and AFAIK, is much weaker than comic counter-part.
That’s why Anime stomps hard
*@Riverlia we get to use comic books and manga as well.*
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Holy*$#Q^*
I’m high-tailing outta here.
I’ve tried it on other sites before, but you can only debate infinity of infinity of infinity of…. of infinity for so long.
That’s why ANime stomps hard
wHy iS tHAt So harD to beLieVe? 
@River
I fear most of the others save Tech/Mana and the Lizard God aren’t listening, much to my dismay.
Common sense dictates it’d be much easier to plot out the Ministry of Magic(from the Potter-world) vs CC Corp(dot.hack universe) than to try to resolve this matter completely, in relative comparison!(Even that part requires precision to get right, one wrong move and all the entertainment could go down the drain!)
Then again…I haven’t always been the sharpest tool in the factpile shed, so I may not be the best to ordain whether or not it could work well, anywho! T_T
^True. I doubt that would help at all (just saiyan) Doing a Goku vs Superman debate here would help more. Just to crank this up a couple hundred posts
Why not MoM vs CC Corp, provided anyone would be willing to assist with it?
Or even Terumi Hazama vs Darth Sideous, let alone Batman vs Freeza?
Because it won’t solve the debate considering Superman and Goku solo those guys. We neEd a GOKU vs superman deBaTe. SeE wHo’S sTrOnGeR oNcE aNd foR aLL
Superman or Thor vs Goku won’t exactly solve this matter at all, either, it’d just be another side-story in the relative weaving of this match as a whole!
Quicker you realize this is the quicker we can get back to plans at hand!
Face it, Potter-world Ministry of Magic vs CC Corp is long overdue in relative comparison, best you can hope for is to get a rematch between Goku and Superman posted up! T_T
BuT I doNt caRe abOut PoTTer worLd or Cc. GoKu vs SuPermanN is morre intarestiNg in comPariSON. Alsoo GoKKu is mmore poowerulll thhhan PoTTeR worLd annnd Cc combinedde
So is it safe to say that Dr. Strange auto-solos him, considering that I can’t read the above-mentioned text and we gotta get back to the Ministry of Magic vs CC Corp to discuss?
wHye cAant uuuyou Red lAsT pOsT
Goku solos Strange. 
SaFe JoURrnEeys
@reager
Superman vs goku already exsists on this site and superman won
@Orber It was a lucky shot. They forgot about Solar System Busting and FTL travel. Goku stomps Superman hard. mAn oF sTEEl hadz nO cHAnc gAinst gOOOKu
guys honestly ill go with the multiverse busting,omniscient and massively FTL futurama universe.
yOu forGt dAT GoKU solOs
@Orber
Would you agree that we’re better off discussing the Ministry of Magic vs the CC Corporation?
Speaking of that match idea, I have the VMA thread dedicated to planning out discussions, but if you have a topia account by now, I feel I could use a hand or two in here!
nOt quiTe. It wOulD aLmoSt seeM oFf toPic. WoUldN’t yO AgrE
@Orber
Even the above post that I didn’t read would agree that the MoM vs CC Corp has Badassery Potential right there!
So in other words, I’m not alone in this, either!
wHy dIdNT U rEd iT. I doNt agReEeE aT aLl. NotHiNG baD— aBOut itT fOOr Me.
@CC You Rt aLOne iN thAt
Translation: I agree, it would be a Badass fight for the site itself!
I am glad you think so, too.
WHat r yOu tALKiNg bOut Cc. YoU trOLliN. I tHouGht beTtEr of YouU. GueSS I wAs wrOngG
Actually, legitimacy’s case says it ain’t no trolling in the site, so much as its trying hard-tonic translations for those who can’t read this language.
So in that case, I solo.
Actually You Fail at translating then
Tell that to those who acknowledge that this match is a deadlock, already(like Orber, Tech/Mana, Riverla or Lizard God!) then.
@Orber + Riverla
You did recall the question regarding the Ministry of Magic vs CC Corp, right?
Uh huh. Keep telling yourself that CC
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AnYwAy beFoRe CC HiJaCKed tEh thReD wE wAs diScusSinG whEder GoKu coULd beT SuPeS or NoT
western animation…..thety have toonforce
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And so, with that said, as more of the forces for both sides continue to cancel each other out left and right all over the place, the Eds go on an epic warpath against High School of the Dead Zombies, only stalemating their massive numbers due to superior physical prowess and more uber firepower!
We hAZ SolaR sYSteM bUStIGN AnD StufF
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So with that, Unicron and the Devil Gundam are too busy fighting to a standstill to get any real results for either side accomplished!
All that’s clear is that if Terumi Hazama doesn’t kill Darth Sideous 1st, Cubia sure as Tartarus will do the job just fine!
GOKU sOlOs anD sTuFF
Solo Sauron?
Maybe.
Solo Pyramid Head, absolutely not!!!
Meanwhile, after the Peach Creek Gang get enhanced with Chemical X, they go to wage war against the Naruto-verse in epic kombat!
i nominate this thread gets locked……
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when users spam the same evidence, and other say a “god” who gets beat by beer solo’s you know the thread went down the tubes….
The thread is going down the tubes Gendrons. I blame it on CC. S/He keeps exaggerating certain pyramid heads. It’s sad. Goku solos……wait that scan thing wasn’t aimed at me was it
Its he, and as a matter of fact its also aimed at you, pretty much, so you’re not quite a saint in those regards, either!
Think so CC Though thanks for clearing that up
Either way Goku solos 
None us are saints in the long run 
@Commander Cross
pyrimid heads a watered down version of the butcher(origins) the only redeemable quality was the great knife which i used for the rest of my play through.
@Gendrons Stop pwning us effortlessly!
Then why is Pyramid Head stalemating Sauron on his own?