Published on August 30, 2008, by admin - Posted in Universe
MAJOR universe match up here. With much discussion already happening in the Master Chief vs Darth Vader post, it’s very clear that this battle would be nothing short of epic.
With soo many variables such as The Force, The Forerunners and their technology, which of these universes would emerge victorious?
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From what I have read the Halos create some kind of wavefront that simply kills all living things in entire sectors of space. There is no defense against it except not being there (like being in the slipstream shelters or whatever they are called that the Forerunners made that in effect exist outside of reality). If the Halo grid is fired then it is a case of mutual total destruction so it is unlikely that it would be done any more than the Shawken Device would be used. “Everybody dies” is not really a winning strategy.
“There is no defense against it except not being there (like being in the slipstream shelters or whatever they are called that the Forerunners made that in effect exist outside of reality).”
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What about hyperspace?
” “There is no defense against it except not being there (like being in the slipstream shelters or whatever they are called that the Forerunners made that in effect exist outside of reality).”
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What about hyperspace? ”
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I am not sure about hyperspace, though they had some way of making sure infested ship crews did not just duck into slipspace to avoid it. It could be that the area remains deadly for a while after the initial pulse, or maybe it does a series of randomly timed pulses to kill things that emerge in normal space after the initial firing.
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Something in hyperspace may be safe (someone who knows more about Halo might be able to answer better), but if so how long could they stay there and what would they eat after their shipboard supplies ran out with the rest of the galaxy dead? Firing the rings would be as much of a disaster as the Shawken Device.
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Ship vs. ship Star Wars has the advantage in speed and firepower (though range could be a problem with the new figures). On the ground it may be a different story but with space superiority that can be overcome easily enough even to the point of blowing up a planet if necessary.
I guess the answer lies in whether hyperspace travel is through realspace in SW.
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What do you mean by new range figures?
Star Wars has droids. Droids are immune to the Halo energy wave.
SW Hyperspace is not in realspace.
Generally speaking. That said, there is one instance that I know where, with a damaged hyperdrive, a ship exited its hyperspace jump ~5000 years (and ~5000 lightyears) after it began, while those onboard experienced the ‘normal’ hyperspace transit.
“Star Wars has droids. Droids are immune to the Halo energy wave.
SW Hyperspace is not in realspace.
Generally speaking. That said, there is one instance that I know where, with a damaged hyperdrive, a ship exited its hyperspace jump ~5000 years (and ~5000 lightyears) after it began, while those onboard experienced the ‘normal’ hyperspace transit.”
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These were exactly my reasons in my head coming into this. Except I was told that the Halos can be “fine tuned” to be able to destroy anything, not just sentience.
Why does this still go on? Star Wars won, why does this thread continue?
Some people disagree, Halo 4 is coming out, new forerunner books are coming out, and the franchise is growing. May open possibilities for a rematch if Halo gets a lot stronger. (Don’t get me wrong, I think SW will win again if there ever is one)
Eh, I think Forerunners are the deciding factor in this fight, but that’s just me.
We go by current incarnations in this fight, so no Forerunners.
The match description clearly includes Forerunners….
“MAJOR universe match up here. With much discussion already happening in the Master Chief vs Darth Vader post, it’s very clear that this battle would be nothing short of epic.
With soo many variables such as The Force, The Forerunners and their technology, which of these universes would emerge victorious?”
The match description is very dated. You can ask any of us here. Current incarnations are the default scenario we turn to.
Oh, in that case…yeah, Star Wars wins by a long shot.
Oh, in that case…yeah, Star Wars wins by a long shot. If they had Forerunners though, they would win.
sorry for the double post
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That’s why I made the Forerunners vs Galactic Empire thread a few years back. The Forerunners won that one.
“Oh, in that case…yeah, Star Wars wins by a long shot. If they had Forerunners though, they would win.”
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Nah, not really. Star Wars has stronger factions than the GE. I think we already talked about what would happen if there were forerunners and precursors….Abeloth and Celestials pummel I think.
You guys want to bring out your so called deciding factors oh well i’m gonna bring out STARWARS ANCIENT SITH USERS (Yeah you fought with too much overrating) Darth scion or sion and Darth nihilius both of those are the most powerful asskicking capable siths besides nihilius can wipeout a civilization of whole planet with ease. :3
@ Listen to me
What use is there to ancient sith users if they get instantly killed by a Halo (assuming that’s the reason you bought them up) wave. Hell, I don’t even want to think of what would happen if the Flood was to infect a powerful jedi/sith.
Planet busting isn’t that big of a feat for the forerunners. Or precursors. Also precursors have wry limited info but from one thing I know they are galaxy travelers. And are apparently are immune to any physical attack. Though that info may be wrong since the forerunners managed to beat them. Also the flood are a major factor. Most of star wars universe is not immune besides droids though droids can be corrupted by the grave mind.
I thought it was established that the Precursors/Forerunners stomped the whole SW universe a while back…. In any case, Forerunner technology far exceeds the Star Wars universe, and since jedi/sith aren’t immune to a halo burst, Halo wins.
So, I think that maybe Star Wars would win against the covenant and Humans because they are not as powerful as the empire, however the covenant are very close to the empire.
But I’m sure that forerunner would easily win against all.
Now, fans of star wars say that a star destroyer had power around exaton because the second Technical journal says that it could melt the surface of a planet… but I also know that super star destroyer is the largest ship ever bult by the empire, second only to the Death Star: but I also read that the Empire also construct the Eclipse class: 30 km of diameter… contradiction?
From what I know there are over 25000 star destroyers around the galaxy and millions of other vessels including sun crusher, death star, super star destroyer and everything else. But then please explain me one thing: if a star destroyer can burn the atmosphere, so why in the movie don’t send a star destroyer on the rebels’s base to destroy everything instead of the death star? why after the destruction of the Death Star with 3 fighter is the fleet retired? and here another guys that have some doubts: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Turbolaser you must be very careful… and another thing: in star wars the clone wars three venator ship don’t be able to destroy the sperimental ship of General Greyevous: but if the venator has 8 cannon with power around gigatons, why can’t they destroy a 3 km ship??? In according to some fans of star wars, the last episode of star wars when the fighter destroys the Executor operations room , it took at least 70 megatons to pierce the glass. So when a fighter falls and explodes cause a nuclear explosion more strong of Nagasaki (50 megatons). So why use a firearm if camicaze blow up a city? bha really, its a contradiction… However these are only my doubts …
However, the Empire has dozens millions of worlds under his control and the Kuat Drive Yards, a giant ring around the planet where they build a star destroyer in 6 months (if I’m right) and, i think, many other similiar installation .
now, the Forerunner are a peaceful people and not belligerent, but when they encountered the humans empire made war, the Forerunner have managed to produce an unprecedented fleet that defeat human fleet battle after battle. The main ship ever built are the fortress starship ( 50 km ) for the transport of hundreds of thousands troops. With the flood threat, the Forerunner began to build the machines and monitors, and here we are:
1 – I never heard that the empire of Star Wars has the ability to build worlds, only to destroy but only with his super weapon.
2 – Star Wars has Death Star that can destroy a planet, but the rings burn life to 25000 light years. About the dimensions death star I is 160 km and the second 900 km; the first tipe of Halos are 10’000 km built by the first ark, but there are also another Halo of 30’000 built by the Big Ark. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(megastructure)
3 – Star Wars has the sun crusher which contains 11 quantistic missiles that cause a nuclear reaction that destroys a star. And so also the Forerunner Dreadnough has enough power to destroy a star. Only one thing: there is only one Sun Crusher in Star Wars, but the Forerunner Dreadnough are 20000+ … Notice the difference? other details: the Forerunner Dreadnough are carrying ships, not battleships. (i don’t remember where is written that the key ships are 20000, but i’m quite sure, if i find it, i will post as soon as possible): so, this is a speculation: but if the Key ship is a carryng ship, the capital ships are more and more powerful.
4- halofanforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1304267641_halo_ship_scale_chart_large_by_d4rkst0rm99-d39ffjw-SM.jpg
be careful to size: there are not super weapons, but vessels of precursors used in the wars in the first line.
5- Coruscant? awesome, even in the film. The Capital? the largest arc is 100,000 km lenght, and there are more arcs. This planet is also entirely artificial. www.halopedian.com/Capital
6- Kuat Drive Yards? great but i think is better the ark: 127000km: in Halo 3 343 Guildy Spark said that another Halo of 10’000 km was buit in 4 month by only the sentinels.
www.google.it/imgres?um=1&hl=it&tbm=isch&tbnid=mFzzn4_KSe6s5M:&imgrefurl=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/File:ArkScaleComparison.gif&docid=W7qfc5MtegYs4M&imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100718175623/halo/images/8/8e/ArkScaleComparison.gif&w=860&h=720&ei=zDwBUNzNN4TO4QTsi6G6CA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=879&vpy=349&dur=790&hovh=205&hovw=245&tx=126&ty=170&sig=114868670133887478003&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=174&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0,i:116&biw=1366&bih=667
7- Another factor to consider is the duration of wars: the empire lasted 20 years building a huge army with millions of warships, but it is also true that towards the end of its collapse one general said (in the movie) that they didn’t enough materials to finish the second death star and that they had problem to find it.
Forerunner have fought a war against humans and later the flood (this lasted 300 years of open conflict). the difference is that the Forerunner don’t have the conception of money, they have a quite different policy, which allows him to build whatever it takes regardless of the efforts: it is already evidence that possess a higher mentality.
The Empire will never have the ability to build worlds or structures in higher dimensions, mainly because it does not have the technology but also because its economic policy does not allow it to do that. Here all the souces: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_war
8- In the same site it’s written that before the activation of the Halos some forerunner were able to escape out of the Milky Way galaxy: so, i never heard ( except the Yuuzhan Vong) that the empire have the propulsion system enought powerfull to go out of the galaxy. And again: the two ark are out of the galaxy and so the forerunner have the tecnology to transport planet, in fact, in the centre of the first ark there are a forerunner planet used only for the construcion of the halos: www.google.it/imgres?q=halo+ark&um=1&hl=it&sa=N&biw=1680&bih=949&tbm=isch&tbnid=CkCzn5mxqQKIbM:&imgrefurl=http://gtxx1015.deviantart.com/art/halo-ARK-72298075&docid=pQJqk250LtCONM&imgurl=http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs24/i/2007/350/f/4/halo__ARK_by_gtxx1015.png&w=1024&h=576&ei=TeUBUMGHK6Gm4gTNnqmUCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=783&vpy=526&dur=2443&hovh=168&hovw=300&tx=177&ty=79&sig=113202701412191975975&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=187&start=0&ndsp=35&ved=1t:429,r:24,s:0,i:149
9- about the informatic system: in star wars i never seen IA more advance of the onboard computer of the star destroyer or D2 and C3PO. Here the Forerunner don’t have any problem: they have only in the Capital trillions of sentients IA and monitor with one IA class Metarch: it means that he controls all the system of the Capital (more that 100’000 km) and the entire forerunner fleet. so another details: each forerunner has a personal IA that depending on the power can do an informatic battle against a ship, a fleet, an entirely city or planet. Here you can get all the information: www.halopedian.com/Artificial_intelligence ( and also the personal AI of Bonstellar in Halo: Cryptum)
Some quotes from Halo: Cryptum about the Forerunners: (citation: ThePerson5 in bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=150269 )
Quote:
Pages 11 and 51
Twenty kilometers away, the central peak of Djamonkin
Crater rose through the blue-grey haze, its tip outlined in
ruddy gold by the last of the setting sun.
Page 51
The mining ship was an ugly thing, sullen, entirely
practical. Its belly was studded with unconcealed grap-
plers, lifters, cutters, churners. If the master of this craft so
desired, its engines could easily convert all of Djamonkin
Crater into a steaming tornado of whirling rock and ore, sift-
ing, lifting and storing whatever components it wished to
carry back.
Technological capabilities:
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Page 100
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,
move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of
entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other
spaces – slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-
detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.
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Page 143-144
The sensor images were impressive and strange. I had
never seen a quarantined steller system before. Such capa-
bilities were rarely displayed to young Builders. A planetary
system is mostly empty, even the greatest of worlds being lost
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in the immensity of billions of kilometers of space. Like their
former human allies, the San’Shyuum had evolved on a
water-rich world not far from a yellow star, within a temper-
ate zone that allowed only a narrow range of weather. Now,
however, ten thousand years after their defeat, the system
was surround by trillions of vigilants that constantly wove
in and out of space-time, sometimes so rapidly that they
seemed to shape a soild sphere. This sphere extended to a
distance of four hundred million kilometers from the star,
and thus did not encompass four impressive gas giants whose
orbit lay beyond that limit.
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Page 145
“They retired the Deep Reverence here,” he murmured.
A magnified image appeared and was enhanced by specifi-
cations and other data. The Deep Reverence was an impres-
sive fortress-class vessel, fifty kilometers in length, its incept
data before the human-San’Shyuum war.
Firepower:
Quote:
Page 197
The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and
fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were
mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects – darting
beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti-
nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and
then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen
anything like this – but the Didact had.
FTL Speed:
Quote:
Page 99
The display tracked our course. We were moving out-
ward along the great spiral arm that held both the Orion
complex and Erde-Tyrene – just a few tens of thousands of
light-years.
Hours at most would pass for us.
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Page 134
HOURS LATER, WE emerged. The effects passed more
slowly than usual, indicating we had gone a very
great distance indeed, perhaps beyond the range of
normal particle reconciliation. There might be dilation ef-
fects when we returned.
I stood alone in the command center, looking out across
the tremendous, dim whirlpool of a galaxy, and called up a
chart to see where we were. Spirals and grids spread quickly.
At least this was our home galaxy. The ship was in a long,
obscure orbit, high above the galactic plane, tens of thou-
sands of light years from any feasible destination.
Quote:
Halo: Cryptum page 314
The first fortress’s fighters moved in, surrounding one of the primed Halos and engaging its sentinels. Simultaneously, four cruisers sent white-hot beams to points around the targeted installation. Sentinels intercepted some of those beams, partially deflecting them but also absorbing and sacrificing. Other beams struck home, carving canyonlike gouges across the mottled inner surface and blowing blue-white plumes of debris and plasma from the edges. The interior spokes began to shimmer and fade. The Halo could not hold together against this onslaught. It bent inward, wobbled. Fascinated, I watched as huge sections of the ring twisted like ribbon, giving way to destructive nodes of resonance, then rippled in sinus waves—and separated with agonizing majesty.
Sorry if my english is incorrect… I’m nor english!
The thing is, current incarnation put the halo universe after Halo 3 when the forerunners were apparently extinct .
read this:
from: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner-Flood_war
casualities of forerunner-flood war:
Incredibly heavy, many forerunner are killed by the activation of Halo Array while others survived to lead the reseeding effort and leave the galaxy.
So the forerunner are still living, they are for example on Requiem ( the prometeans shown with a halo 4 are one of the species) and others have left the galaxy. However, the power of their craft does not change.
And read another time this from HALO cryptum:
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds, move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other spaces – slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.
“I thought it was established that the Precursors/Forerunners stomped the whole SW universe a while back…. In any case, Forerunner technology far exceeds the Star Wars universe, and since jedi/sith aren’t immune to a halo burst, Halo wins.”
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Fucking bullshit. Firstly, take a look at this: lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/insanely-powerful-sith-wizard-with-stupendous-hax-148665/
Second, you probably didn’t know that SW has time travel did you?
Thirdly, Celestials and Abeloth overwhelm anything that Haloverse has.
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@Defiant Apollo
That’s great and all but everything SW that you mentioned doesn’t even begin the heavy hitters list. Composite Star Wars would rather easily handle composite Halo (star forge), but with current incarnation (post ROTJ) SW still wins via Celestials.
Some of the SW universe’s force users could just go intangible force ghost (after dying of course) then probably destroy the Haloverse on their own. Also, non-force users should be able to get inside mind prisms. So the rings don’t = win. Also, droids, and cloning after the rings are fired.
^Yeah, the only problem was somewhere it was quoted that the rings can be fine tuned to destroy anything, not just sentience.
But higher tier beings and factions do take this for SW.
OK i am going to end this i made a profile for this because i got tired of watching this
lets say star wars and halo had all their forces in existance all again and combined and working together. star wars has the death star death star 2 the eclipse ssd eclipse 2 ssd star forge which can creat thousand and thousand of ships in minitus which are operated by the driods it build the sun crusher which can distroy a entire solar sistem and nearly indestructible and even more very powerfull ships the eclipse has a death star laser on it capable of 1 shoting any ship like the death star but can not take out planets also darth nikicus who distroyed all life on a planit with the force but 1 thing cuss he wanted it. not to meantion darth revan who is much more powerfull and the emperor of that time. i could go on and on what is halo going to do blow every thing up? that would be considdered a loss for halo and it probably wouldnt kill every thing. also star wars has the exiled jedi(name is spacing me right now) who is the death in the force and could be used to kill all life and then star wars would still have droids what would halo have just about nothing. the flood may be able to take every thing very fast but we got the usang vong who can do the same they cancle each other out and not to meantiong the thousands apon thousands of jedi and sith. and the great ones like darth bane, plo koon,darth revan(meantiond already and he draws power from both the dark and light sides of the force),darth vader,mace windu….Ect,Ect.what is master chef going to do when alot of these sith could kill him in a thought or block bolets with their hands like vader or turn into a light saber himself like plo koon. halo fleet very small compared to the size of star wars and the size of star wars ships much bigger. their are ships that make the exicuter look like a star distroyer and star distroyers like fighters lol.you can try to retally halo fans but i can counter it and add to it. dont foget we have the republic commandos and dark troopers and the crimsion army and the mandalorians.
i am pulling content out of books, movies, games. just about every thing you can think off
adding to one coment by a user saying the super star distroyer(exicuter) is the biggest is completly and totaly worng have you read anything star wars!!! im not even going to go on about how many tipes of ssd and dreadnoughts and other ships there are.
“im not even going to go on about how many tipes of ssd and dreadnoughts and other ships there are.”
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Probably best you don’t. No one’s been really debating in Halo’s favor anyway, obvious stomp is obvious. Also you clearly don’t understand how Halos work if you think they “blow everything up”, seeing as all the Sentinels/Promethean AI survived.
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^My thoughts exactly.
@Distrocter
Post ROTJ Star Wars, not composite.
Halo 4 and TTW Spoiler ALERT!!! Do not read if you want to avoid…spoiler. The reasons I’m posting this is because it could have some impact on this match.
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There is a powerful weapon of sorts on requiem, which is the reasoning for the covenants’ appearance.
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The Didact is alive and kicking and the antagonist of Halo 4. (And MC battles him at some point)
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The Didact appears to have some form of telekinesis.
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/End spoiler
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This was revealed in the Halo 4: A Hero Awakens trailer and by Amazon: www.amazon.com/gp/product/076532394X/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=10EDT594YCRAR48TAWM0&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846#reader_076532394X
www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=41668030#post41668030
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Link for those who want to keep up to date with these.
I would not put too much faith in unique superweapons, both sides seem to put more emphasis on people over hardware and the heroes on both sides usually beat them while riding old junk hotrod freighters or old light cruisers with a few new weapons rigged up into the fray. Star Wars still has a big edge in overall tech level, it will take a while for the forerunner tech to go mainstream, and meanwhile the tried and true but still higher tech than Halo SW forces will be making serious inroads on the Halo forces.
5 years and the thread has not ended? Star Wars wins hands down. BTW, some guy called “L.W”? You’re amazing.
Halo why im pretty sure a Jedi or a sith as never stopped a bullet with the force
You’re a terrible troll and an embarrassment to debaters.
Knight, while blaster fire can be stopped by a lightsabre, bullets and rockets can be deflected with the Force.
halo’s do not target organics they target the nervous system so machines will be destroyed like the precursors invulnerable structures which outlasted wars and natural disasters
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is blaster fire a laser or directed energy?
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Knight one sith(i think) in the force unleashed brought down an entire super star destroyer from orbit
” is blaster fire a laser or directed energy? ”
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Actually “blaster” in Star Wars seems to be a kind of catchall term for any energy weapon that is not a laser or lightsaber. It can refer to a plasma weapon or a particle beam pulse weapon that uses particles that are not ions. Most clone war blasters were plasma weapons, on the other hand a lot of the late imperial era blasters (like the E11) are particle pulse weapons. It seems to be a case of fashion and how plentiful tibanna gas is at various times (plasma takes a lot more gas than the particle pulses apparently) since while there are differences in the two types they are both pretty much equally good at killing the target.
so they kill with energy?
” so they kill with energy? :
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Yes, energy weapons kill with energy. Of course projectile weapons use kinetic energy as part of their workings which is energy too, but kinetic strikes are generally thought of differently anyway.
so the particle beam pulse fires particles that kill with energy but not kinetic energy correct?
One thing I read the vong from Star Wars and flood from halo cancel each other out? False.
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The vong are purely biological and that’s exactly what the flood wants and needs. The flood take over anything biological. The vong are the exact opposite you want to send against the flood.
someone said the prometheans are a species forerunners is incorrect they are SPOILER forerunners and ancient humans the forerunners composed and were used to combat the flood being immune to infection. they have the memories of the person composed but do not have their emotions making them ruthless //end spoiler
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yo BC forerunners can build kilometer long warships in minutes and repair themselves well within seconds so they do not have to go mainstream.
just start a war and they you will be all you see, unsc and covenant forces will be few and far between while the forerunners push you back into a corner
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“ yo BC forerunners can build kilometer long warships in minutes and repair themselves well within seconds so they do not have to go mainstream.
just start a war and they you will be all you see, unsc and covenant forces will be few and far between while the forerunners push you back into a corner “
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The Star Forge could do something like that too (though usually it was used to make vast fleets of drone starfighters and stuff instead). The Forge itself was destroyed a long time ago by Revan using its self-destruct or something (I forget exactly what now, but it had to be done from the inside by someone with command authority it would recognize, which he had and why he was the only one who could do it available at the time), but it does show that the ancient races could do it. And that was Rakatan which was probably the least of the ancient empires in wonders and sheer power.
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Something is keeping the little Forerunner band in Halo4 from simply building overwhelming forces and taking over the Halo galaxy, I suspect t that whatever that is would likewise prevent them from doing it to the SW galaxy.
To be fair, in Halo 4/Spartan Ops, there was only one Forerunner, the Didact, and it’s believed that he’s dead, and blown up with his ship (a ship, mind you, that got blown up by a single Havok mine).
Admittedly, Spartan Ops introduces the possibility that the Librarian is still around, and on Requiem, in some kind of stasis/containment unit.
Everything else is Prometheans … also known as AI constructs forcibly derived from humans by way of the Composer (also blown up, by the same device that blew up the Didact’s ship).
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Also, if memory serves, there were at least two Rakatan remnants that were building their own mini-Star Forges – post-Fall, post-Revan’s destruction of the original.
it could be that the mine caused the composer to overload destroying the ship but it’s pure speculation
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can the Star Forges compete with every forerunner ship building facility that builds at that rate?
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if you are talkin ancient empires we can bring the precursors into this but since we now squat bout them cept they have materials invulnerable to everything star wars have cept time travel
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if you are talkin ancient empires we can bring the precursors into this but since we now squat bout them cept they have materials invulnerable to everything star wars have cept time travel ”
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I do not want to bring in the ancients, I was simply replying to your comment on the production rates of the forerunners with one of the known feats of their star wars equivalent that survived into the early old republic times.
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Star Wars has such a high population of planets and people that their normal production rates would be hard to match even if some Forerunner factory somewhere survived, and then there are the bits of stuff and little groups of Star Wars ancients that survive as well.
well the one in cryptum was an old one designed to only build one ship at a time imagine the production rates of shield worlds if fully activated
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well then those ancients will be the end of halo(unless some unknown info on precursors arrive to tip the scales)
Ever heard of the Yuuzhan Vong war?
similar to to covanent, but worse. the republic won the war in the end, and i belive they would win this war as well, death star, sun crusher, galaxy gun, eclipse class dreadnoughts, centerpoint station, the darksaber, eye of palpatine, mass shadow generator, the star forge, tons of world devastators and all the rest of the star wars weaponry. i think halo gets a good kick in the teeth. star wars FTW.
Pretty sure the Mass Shadow Generator was destroyed with Malachor V. The Star Forge was definitely destroyed. And the Republic wasn’t the only faction fighting the Yuuzhan Vong.
Assuming they don’t use the Rings (And why would they? It would kill them, too.) the Halo Universe would”t stand a chance. They are a fraction of the size of the Star Wars Universe and most of there technology is inferior. The only Saving Grace is the Covenant Supercarrier which is twice as large as the biggest Star Wars ship (I’m serious). But, there might not be enough to be go around. especially since the Empire has more individual Dreadnoughts and so can out number the Supercarriers and the Yuuzhan Vong have World Ships which are basically the most over powered ships ever.
You do know that size does not mean parity right, Jolttra? Aside from the fact that it could be argued that the Death Star is technically a space ship (it is FTL capable and fully mobile under its own power), size doesn’t matter. Hell, any capital ship from the Honor Harrington universe could 100% unquestionably destroy any and every UNSC ship ever made by simple fact that Honorverse particle shields (not their battle shields; these are their simple shields that keep asteroids from hurting the ships) would make them completely immune to all UNSC combat abilities up to and including ramming (within certain velocities). And their biggest ships are around the 1.3 km mark. Covenant supercarrier that nearly hits 29 km in length would get chewed up and spit out by simple point defenses from an Honorverse dreadnought.
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Size matters not.
People need to remember that AN ARK can translight a Halo ring ANYWHERE. They could just send on to the “Galaxy far, far away”.
“People need to remember that AN ARK can translight a Halo ring ANYWHERE.”
Quotes or some other proof please? Also, how fast is this process?
“People need to remember that AN ARK can translight a Halo ring ANYWHERE.”
The Star Wars side just has to use the Centerpoint Station and snipe the Arks from across the Galaxy.
Hey guys… Don’t forget, the UNSC has the Infinity now… It has all that super-advance Forerunner tech and has shown to be incredibly powe- oh wait no, it hasn’t. It’s pretty much useless. Sorry, I’m tired, drunk, and had to make a jab at it.
Heck, Galaxy Gun oneshots anything that we (I) have seen from Halo’s side. A Ring, the Ark; even if they aren’t outright destroyed, they will be crippled like Honey Boo-Boo’s childhood experience.
That little FP stamp over the Star Wars poster is there for a reason, ya know!
DefiantApollo I believe won this battle for the Halo Universe. I would have sided with Star Wars… but because of some unresolved hatred for Disney… and Disney now owning a certian Galaxy far far away. I’m just going to say Halo wins.
Anyone care to bring up actual arguments for Halo? Like maybe the great, glorious, and powerful Infinity?
“Like maybe the great, glorious, and powerful Infinity?”
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That thing is a piece of shit. It’s main guys are something like 40 megatons if the books are accurate and something like 2 kilotons if the games are accurate. And apparently Covenant ships can be shot down by heavy caliber point defense bullet guns (as in chemical propellants and not MACs), and the Infinity itself is this ass backwards beast of a ship that works more like a Carrier for cruisers instead of a Battleship, which is what it should be but it isn’t. God, I want that thing to die so fucking badly. This thing could have had MACs comparable to any UNSC capital ship and have had them lined up like cannons for a broadside; this would have allowed them to instantly kill multiple enemy ships with a single volley. This is allowed by the Infinity’s size dispairity over other UNSC ships (which are so much smaller they require to mount these MACs on their length instead of their width in order to get sufficient barrel length to achieve sufficient muzzle velocity). Instead they just put a single pair of SMACs (which are gross overkill for every purpose) in the front of this thing and waste tons of room so that they can land their capital ships inside it. IT IS SO FUCKING STUPID!!!
“That thing is a piece of shit. It’s main guys are something like 40 megatons if the books are accurate and something like 2 kilotons if the games are accurate. And apparently Covenant ships can be shot down by heavy caliber point defense bullet guns (as in chemical propellants and not MACs), and the Infinity itself is this ass backwards beast of a ship that works more like a Carrier for cruisers instead of a Battleship, which is what it should be but it isn’t. God, I want that thing to die so fucking badly. This thing could have had MACs comparable to any UNSC capital ship and have had them lined up like cannons for a broadside; this would have allowed them to instantly kill multiple enemy ships with a single volley. This is allowed by the Infinity’s size dispairity over other UNSC ships (which are so much smaller they require to mount these MACs on their length instead of their width in order to get sufficient barrel length to achieve sufficient muzzle velocity). Instead they just put a single pair of SMACs (which are gross overkill for every purpose) in the front of this thing and waste tons of room so that they can land their capital ships inside it. IT IS SO FUCKING STUPID!!!”
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I couldn’t have said it better myself.
well proof for the instant transport does not exist as far as i recall only extremely fast transport through the forerunner portal system
@OriginalA, Are you a complete idiot, Because it’s not like their a buch of pirate ships sailing the atlantic
ocean. Space combat is three dimensional, Lining them up on one side would be be useless if the enemys were say above them or below them. And seeing as MAC’s talk a awful lot of calculation in order to aim them and covenant ships don’t have to be facing any particular direction in order to line up a shot (thanks to plasma torp’s) Unless the enemy ships were directly facing that perticular side of the Infinity those MACs would be usless.
News flash Star Wars has dozens of planet busting and more superweapons. Palpatine and other high tier Sith can wipe out fleets from across the galxy and raze planets to nothing the same way. Jedi can speedblitze as can Sith, and rip through Spartans like MC like paper.
I don’t care what Halo 4 has in it. I don’t care if MC managed to tank a nuke that was shoved up his ass. He can’t tank a starbusting attack. Nothing in Halo can. Star Wars got the award for these reasons. MC is an overrated idiot in some cheap armor take away his genetic boost and his armor and his low tier weapons and he’s a normal human same with all the Spartans. I’m honestly surprised Star Wars doesn’t stomp.
Star Wars won, Halo has nothing that compares to Centerpoint Station, they have nothing that touches Abeloth. Maybe Infinity does something, maybe its too much for the Ewoks, but if they can’t stop Halo you can be damn sure they’ll be avenged.
@UnauditedCloud: Are YOU a complete idiot?
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The UNSC mount their MAC weapons facing in exactly 1 dimension: forward. If they used my design they would have A) more guns, which they never had enough of and exactly why they had to use multiple ships in order to get parity in space combat, B) the ability to cover the port, starboard, and even potentially the “up” and “down” axises all at the same time.
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Tell me, if you are fighting an enemy that can move in 3D do you want your guns pointing in one direction or four? Do you want the ability to kill one enemy per volley or several? The design they went with does the former; my design does the latter.
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Hell, if you went extreme enough you could still easily mount a couple normal sized ship MACs in the front too so with my design you could have up to 5 of the 6 faces of the ship covered in guns and ready to fire. Instead they opt for the thing to be able to carry capital ships that have their own FTL drives; this is a huge waste of space and redundant since those crews would either be aboard the Infinity when their cruiser is docked or they would be aboard their cruiser sitting around doing nothing. The former means it is a huge drain on the Infinities personal housing and food supplies; these things are in high demand in a space ship and are completely redundant and is an unneeded waste of space and supplies since their cruisers should have enough for them as well.
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Now if you put guns there you increase your lethality, increase the longevity of your supplies (by reducing the crew), waste less space (by removing the several capital ships that are just sitting around doing jack shit in your hanger bay), and provide better protection for yourself and your fleet (by having more guns that are equal to the other ships own guns pointed in other directions that allow you to target and kill enemies faster than any other singular ship in your fleet can).
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No. I’m not an idiot. As it happens having broadside weapons just so happens to be a good idea. If your not using guided munitions for your primary weapons (and they aren’t since they use MACs for this role) then you are going to want to mount as many of them as you can to increase your rate of fire.
So would you want Ten stationary MACs rather than Ten mobile MACs? Just because their pointed in different directions does not make them any less useless if they can’t move, which they can’t. MAC’s are built into the frame of the ship, there for the ship has to aline itself with its oponent in order to hit it. Thats why rather than spend time installing a large amount of LINEAR mac systems, the Infinity boasts a significant missile network that can be implemented for ship-to-ship combat, and anti-air defense, orbital gunfire support for Marine forces, among other uses. Emplaced throughout the ship are 1,100 missile pods of three types: Archer, Rapier, and Howler. The M42 Archer missile provides secondary armament for Infinity with 350 pods that can launch 24 missiles simultaneously. Additional missiles include the M75 Rapier (250×30 missiles) and the M96 Howler (500×20 missiles). Close-in defense against enemy missiles, fighters, and boarding craft is the primary mission of the M965 Fortress point defense network, a series of 830 70mm automatic cannons. Infinity is also equipped with a network of smaller MACs, (similar to the Mark 2488 Onager), and a battery of additional missile pods, mounted on the dorsal.
“So would you want Ten stationary MACs rather than Ten mobile MACs?”
Just throwing it out there, that’s not what he said at all.
See, your entire missile argument would be valid if it weren’t for the fact that the MAC weapon system is their PRIMARY SHIP KILLING WEAPON SYSTEM. This is stated, REPEATEDLY, over several novels and games. Their missiles simply do not deliver enough damage to mission kill enemy ships with any amount of reliable consistency. This is the very reason why they use MACs.
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Nor did I ever mention replacing supplementary missile systems. I never mentioned that… at all. I talked about getting rid of those god damn retarded hangers that can fit a fucking fleet of capital ships inside of the Infinity. Gut out that waste of space and put MACs there.
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Hell, lets redesign my own redesign.
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Forget everything and go back to the regular Infinity instead of my supped up version of it.
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Let’s take a look at the cruisers that the Infinity can hold inside it.
1) This are capital ships in their own right.
2) They carry their own weapons that are capable of mission killing enemy capital ships when deployed at 3:1 numbers.
3) The Infinity can hold more than three of these ships.
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Here’s what you do. You can leave the fuck-off needlessly huge guns that are the lateral mounts of the Infinity (that are rated as equal to an SMAC, which is about an order of magnitude of overkill in the Haloverse due to defense tech not yet catching up to them). Just replace the hangers and line that area with normal MACs. It is obviously big enough to hold a normal MAC since the multiple ships it holds there each have one normal MAC in their lengths. Ditch those ships and make them use their own damn engines; they are capital ships not jet fighters. They don’t need to be brought to a battlefield inside of a bigger ship since they can get their on their own (as evidenced by the Infinity actually having an escort fleet that contains these types of ships in addition to these ships that it carries around). Gut those hangers and line them with MACs.
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You don’t “lose” the “mobile MACs” because those “mobile MACs” are capital ships that are attached to your escort fleet; a fleet that the Infinity has under normal operating conditions so it does not require this mini-fleet of capital ships inside its hull. What you GAIN is additional weaponry that can be used to mission kill enemy ships with a fraction of the time it takes to fire the main SMACs of the Infinity. The hanger area is obviously large enough to contain a MAC and a power planet sufficient in size to supply it sufficient power since the ships contained inside the hanger has just that. Gut the engines, gut the armor, gut the crew quarters, gut the bridge, gut the sensors, gut those capital ships down to their power plants and MACs (their most powerful weapon). Now fill in all the new extra space you’ve acquired by putting in as many other MACs, power plants, effective outer armor (because you stripped away all of the armor on the ships that are INSIDE your ship you can now fill that space by thickening the armor on the OUTSIDE of your ship…. you know, where it will be USEFUL), ….
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Seriously, if you don’t understand why it is a bad idea for a capital ship to be a carrier for other capital ships by this point then your just an idiot. Besides, aiming a broadside isn’t nearly as hard as you would think. At the combat ranges they deal with they just have to rotate their ship a little bit to go from pointing their four big front fuck-off SMACs at the enemy to pointing a row of say 15 normal MACs. Now the 4 frontal SMACs have a fire rate of about 15 seconds (as per the fire rate of the SMACs seen in Halo 2). The 15 or so normal MACs are going to have a fire rate of about 5 seconds as well (as per the Reach showing a Destroyer shoot 6 times in 30 seconds).
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So. We know that the 4 super MACs can instantly kill any effective target within the Haloverse, and the 15 normal MACs take three shots to effectively kill anything in the Haloverse.
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You got 60 seconds per minute, a recharge rate of 15 seconds, and four guns, so 60/15*4= 16 rounds per minute, so 16 kills.
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60/5*15=180 rounds per minute. Now divide by 3 to get an effective kill potential and… I just killed SIXTY ships inside of a minute.
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Yeah, my design in better.
This shit still going on?
@StealthRanger Yeah, and now OriginalA thinks this this superior being who thinks his a genius when it comes to theoretical space combat.
He’s just utilizing the one thing Halo fails to gain in every new installment; practicality.
“This shit still going on?”
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Its more of just me bitching about Halo being assbackwards.
“They don’t need to be brought to a battlefield inside of a bigger ship since they can get their on their own (as evidenced by the Infinity actually having an escort fleet that contains these types of ships in addition to these ships that it carries around).”
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Wait, so what your saying is that they put ships that can hold smaller ship in thier big ass ship.
Like… Nesting dolls?
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Halo made nesting ships?
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Alternatively
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@Soldier’s Shadow at #2778
Unless I’m off the mark in any way, shape or form, I hope that Halo 4 seems to be improving about Practicality in comparison to the earlier installments, it wouldn’t be enough to be of help in this particular fight, but maybe in future wars if anything in the long run, perhaps?
“Halo made nesting ships?”
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Yep.
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The Infinity is the UNSC’s largest ship. It is so large that it can carry up to 10 Frigates, which themselves are capital ships (on the small side, but still). Those Frigates can each carry several Longsword fighter/bombers. You could equate a Longsword to a jet in terms of combat roles; it is a space ship designed for dog fights and bombing runs. The Frigates, that can launch these Longswords, are primarily escort vessels or the orbital base of operations for ground troops (where it would gather intel from orbit, send orders, send down drop ships, and as seen in Halo 3 even go so far as to land to directly drop equipment to the surface). The Infinity is this huge ass fucking super carrier that can carry a sizable portion of its escort fleet inside of itself. This is completely useless since the escort fleet has its own FTL drives and can keep pace with the Infinity (as seen with the intro to Spartan Ops where the Infinity + escort fleet make an FTL jump and all arrive roughly at the same time at which point the Infinity then starts dropping Frigates just cause).
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The Frigates being used as a carrier for the Longswords makes sense. Longswords are not FTL capable. And that is the purpose of a carrier; to get things to places that it normally cannot go as well as supply them with the stuff they require to operate. The Frigates, however, have no business being carried inside the Infinity since they are quite capable of self contained operations (and have been for the previous several years in-universe) as seen with the Forward Unto Dawn from Halo 3 and the In Amber Clad from Halo 2-3.
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I argue that it would be better to just keep those Frigates as part of the Escort Fleet (and as such still “attached” to the Infinity for mission purposes), and use the internal space for more guns. They waste a lot of room parking those ships inside the Infinity instead of making just more systems.
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Mind you, I’m not arguing about getting rid of the several smaller hangers that the Infinity has to launch its own non-FTL capable ships; just the super large hangers that carry capital ships.
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@C.C. Nope. Halo 4 made this worse. It absolutely killed the Forrunner’s lethality on the ground (no surprise there) changing them from easily being able to dominate a world population to … well, modern day soldiers could fight them with moderate success (not as much as the UNSC anymore since now they have Spartan 4s who are all better all round compared to baseline soldiers so that is a plus). But for the most part Halo 4 seems to be dead set in running what passed for credibility in the Haloverse into the ground.
@Messenger OriginalA at #2782
I just had to hope for nice things to happen and the exact opposite becomes true. T_T
This is the kind of situation that I’d be very legitimately worried about whenever I try to count sheep, I won’t lie.
This is gonna affect the odds back at Mass Effect vs Halo, isn’t it?
Although…Spectre units vs Spartan 4s+ could be fun to watch, potentially unless the former side has too many Biotics for the Spartans to fight, right?
““Everybody dies” is not really a winning strategy.”
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You obviously haven’t met any suicide grunts….
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“Ditch those ships and make them use their own damn engines;”
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You can’t do that! You’d ruin the perfect “Yo Dawg” moment.
“Yo Dawg, I heard you like spaceships…”
“You can’t do that! You’d ruin the perfect “Yo Dawg” moment. “Yo Dawg, I heard you like spaceships…”"
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He’s right. I mean one rarely ever gets the chance to put down “So you can spaceship while you spaceship” nowadays.
Yeah, and now OriginalA thinks this this superior being who thinks his a genius when it comes to theoretical space combat.
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You need to know when to call it quits, if you don’t have a retort, don’t run your mouth like you actually have something relevant to say.
“You obviously haven’t met any suicide grunts….”
He said *winning* strategy.
“This shit still going on?”
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Nah, it’s just pointing out haw terrible Halo is at designing anything competently. The Infinity is really a non-factor. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DP20_frigate
That little guy could probably take the Infinity and it’s full compliment of ships.
@OriginalA
Wow calm down dude. Take a chill pill.
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So the UNSC is still stupid and badly designed. Big whoop.
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Now can you shut up and keep your whining to yourself? I mean this is a fucking video game where you play as a 7 feet super soldier shooting space grunts in pope hats while party steamers fly and children cheer. Anybody and everybody who knows anything about halo knows that this is not a game to be taken seriously. This is a game which allows me to switch off my brain for a few hours with my friends and blast grunts in the face. This is not a game which I come for the lore, a deep and complex story and where people actually use their brains. If you want that go play mass effect or spec ops:the line or any one of hundreds of media be it books, video games…..
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Halo is basically AMERICA IN SPACE WITH GUNS AND EXPLOSIONS AND SHIT. If you don’t like that then fine there are hundreds of other games that you’re free to spent your money on that may satisfy your need for competent and intelligent leadership and story and design. I’m not the kind of person that sees the Infinity and goes ‘Wow that’s a really retarded ship goes on and on…’
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So, my question is… Why do you bother? If you really hate halo that much why bother to write a thousand word essay on it’s shortcomings and failings? I hate a few thousands things in my daily life with a passion too but I don’t write a thousand word essay on them on a site where nobody who can actually help me with what I don’t like about the product will ever see. For example, I really hate the toilet paper I currently use. And you know what I’ll do? Just buy a different brand of toilet paper and avoid this brand like the plague. Not write a thousand word essay on why the toilet paper is so rough on my bare behind even though it was the cheapest brand I could find ‘whining and crying’
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So why are you here? Investing so much time, effort and though on a franchise you so obviously hate? Especially when this effort will never change anything and just shows how much of a whiner you are and just how much free time you have.
Side note
Forerunners still stomp star wars if they still in this match up….
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I smell a match incoming.
“Forerunners still stomp star wars if they still in this match up….”
1) They’re not.
2) They don’t. The Empire gave them a run for their money (and despite the fact that I still disagree with the award, I don’t want to beat a dead horse), but the Empire is actually just a mid-tier power in Star Wars. The Rakatan Infinite Empire, the Celestials, Abeloth, and the maybe Kwa all eat the Forerunners for breakfast and burp out their bones individually, let alone all together. Let alone something like the Bedlam Spirits.
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“I smell a match incoming.”
That’s because you apparently don’t know anything about Star Wars.
@Zazax
Good thing that the forerunners totally stomped the the empire then.
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And the fact that you have to pull the Celestials and Abeloth out of your ass to even give star wars a chance of winning says everything.
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If you are forced to use omnipotents or near-omnipotent in order to win a match then you have already lost.
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Hey I can do it too.
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Star wars vs 21st century Earth
Earth has god which can whoops star wars ass 1110101010x cuz it’s THE one true GOD therefore it’s omnipotent.
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Star trek vs star wars
Q wins cuz he’s omnipotent and wishes star wars away.
“And the fact that you have to pull the Celestials and Abeloth out of your ass to even give star wars a chance of winning says everything.
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If you are forced to use omnipotents or near-omnipotent in order to win a match then you have already lost.”
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lulz, they were some of many he mentioned. Abeloth is not even close to omnipotent either. I digress though, the Rakata, and Kwa can as well, so what’s your excuse for them?
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“Star wars vs 21st century Earth
Earth has god which can whoops star wars ass 1110101010x cuz it’s THE one true GOD therefore it’s omnipotent.”
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Here on Factpile, we debate with feats… He has none.
‘Here on Factpile, we debate with feats… He has none.’
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He created the universe and is omnipotent. Source:The bible.
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‘ I digress though, the Rakata, and Kwa can as well, so what’s your excuse for them’
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That’s why I’m suggesting a match between the forerunner vs star wars or forerunners+flood vs star wars so this things can be discussed properly instead of ‘NOPE Celestials stomp everything cuz near omnipotent+near total lack of feats.’ Of course I don’t know anything about the Rakatas and Kwas so enlighten me please.
@IamTaco Thats how it pretty much is with OA. This is the same stuff he does on the MEvsHalo tread too. He seems to have some undying hatred for Halo and will take any chance he gets to point out its flaws.
“Good thing that the forerunners totally stomped the the empire then.”
Except they didn’t. I’m not even sure why they were given an award, the match was nowhere near over. The Forerunners didn’t even have any feats at the time except for the Halos themselves, Onyx, and a few vague occurances in Cryptum that put them nowhere near the Empire in terms of shields or firepower.
If memory serves some halotard in the match went over everyone else’s head and contacted admin for an award while everyone was waiting for Primordium.
On that topic, every subsequent release including the Forerunners (looking at you, Halo 4) has nerfed them further.
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“And the fact that you have to pull the Celestials and Abeloth out of your ass to even give star wars a chance of winning says everything.”
Exactly the same thing could be said of Halo and the Foreruners/Precursors. Literally the first thing out of any Halotard’s mouth (er… hands…) whenever the Haloverse loses a match is “but teh 4runerz and Prekerserz wud stil win, lolz”. The very fact that you started this with “Forerunners still stomp star wars if they still in this match up….” speaks volumes.
What? Is Star Wars not allowed to use its super-powerful ancient extinct empires and Halo is? Or are you just butthurt that your fanboy-favourite franchise gets its ass whupped in any even scenario?
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“If you are forced to use omnipotents or near-omnipotent in order to win a match then you have already lost.”
Since when are any of the four factions I mentioned ‘near-omnipotent’, let alone fully so? I’ll give you the Bedlam Spirits, but I left them apart from the rest for a reason.
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“Earth has god which can whoops star wars ass 1110101010x cuz it’s THE one true GOD therefore it’s omnipotent.”
I’m an atheist. Your argument is invalid. Try again.
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“Q wins cuz he’s omnipotent and wishes star wars away.”
Yes, this has been acknowledged on just about every debate site ever. I even said pretty much exactly this over on ST vs SW here on FP just the other day.
… I get the feeling that you thought that would rile me up. D’awww. That’s so cute!
Look everyone, he thinks he’s people.
‘If memory serves some halotard in the match went over everyone else’s head and contacted admin for an award while everyone was waiting for Primordium.’
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Very funny cuz if I recall a bunch of idiots were at that thread whining about ‘forerunner wank’ with no proof whatsoever of said wank.
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‘Except they didn’t. I’m not even sure why they were given an award, the match was nowhere near over.’
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Trillions of ships, gigaton firepower minimal, insane industrial power, capable of stopping/inducing a supernova, a super weapon capable of wiping out all sentient life across the entire galaxy and undetectable and impregnable shields world of which hundreds were made and of which just one will be able to fit the entire forerunner population. So tell me? How can the Empire win again. Cuz at the forerunner vs Empire thread you were just whining at the forerunner wank and not actually debating/giving a clear and precise argument for how the Empire was supposed to win the match.
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So to be clear
Calling out forerunner wank=Empire winning. Love your logic.
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‘The Forerunners didn’t even have any feats at the time except for the Halos themselves, Onyx, and a few vague occurances in Cryptum that put them nowhere near the Empire in terms of shields or firepower.’
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Gigaton/teraton firepower/shielding? Trillions of ships in a single fleet? 10 meter mechs that are capable of megaton/gigaton firepower? 1km ships capable of said gigaton/teraton firepower being grown in seconds?
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‘Exactly the same thing could be said of Halo and the Foreruners/Precursors. Literally the first thing out of any Halotard’s mouth (er… hands…) whenever the Haloverse loses a match is “but teh 4runerz and Prekerserz wud stil win, lolz”’
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So you’re comparing yourself with those halotards? Good comparison I say.
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The very fact that you started this with “Forerunners still stomp star wars if they still in this match up….” speaks volumes.
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‘What? Is Star Wars not allowed to use its super-powerful ancient extinct empires and Halo is? Or are you just butthurt that your fanboy-favourite franchise gets its ass whupped in any even scenario?’
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Only that the forerunners are actually quite a generic sci-fi race that still fight with LOLazers with a few useable feats compare that with the Celestials who have almost no useable feats and who merged themselves with the universe to become omnipotents or near-omnipotent.
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Which is worse you tell me? Also the fact is that Star Wars crushes Halo badly. Like a ant against a abrams. The fact that it got so many comments is sad and we have comments like’I don’t care what Halo 4 has in it. I don’t care if MC managed to tank a nuke that was shoved up his ass. He can’t tank a starbusting attack. Nothing in Halo can. Star Wars got the award for these reasons. MC is an overrated idiot in some cheap armor take away his genetic boost and his armor and his low tier weapons and he’s a normal human same with all the Spartans. I’m honestly surprised Star Wars doesn’t stomp.
Star Wars won, Halo has nothing that compares to Centerpoint Station, they have nothing that touches Abeloth. Maybe Infinity does something, maybe its too much for the Ewoks, but if they can’t stop Halo you can be damn sure they’ll be avenged.’
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So here I am, trying to suggest a better fairer match where one side doesn’t instantly stomped and I got called a fanboy over it? What’s wrong? You like curb-stomp matches like this? For your daily jerk off maybe?
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So a race that can actually be debated vs a race of omnipotents or near-omnipotents with no useable feats whose only argument will be “They wish the forerunners away cuz omnipotent beings are cool like that.
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As for the other races you mentioned, yeah they not omnipotents but can you give me an argument/debate where they win over the forerunners? This is why I suggested a match where this factors can be debated over. But this is obviously too much for you whose only argument seems to be whining about wank. So you insult me and rabble on about how star wars stomps halo without providing an argument and attempt to defer any match between them.
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‘Since when are any of the four factions I mentioned ‘near-omnipotent’, let alone fully so?’
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LOL. Did you give me an argument about how they win? Cuz that’s how near-omnipotent/omnipotents are u sally argued. You provided no argument whatsoever and basically just went ‘THEY STOMP THE FORERUNNERS CUZ I SAID SO’ sounds like ‘LET THERE BE LIGHT’ or what a omnipotent might say/do. That’s why I suggest that this be made into a match so that those races can be matched fair and square but you went ‘LOL NOPE FORERUNNERS GET STOMPED CUZ I SAID SO’
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Also how are the Celestials not omnipotent or near to it? Didn’t they merge with the universe/the force ir something?
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‘I’m an atheist. Your argument is invalid. Try again.’
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What a dumb ass. You think that god isn’t real. Guess what? Star Wars isn’t real either! So you’re saying that only things that are ‘real’ are allowed in matches? HOLY SHIT. Get the admin on the phone, delete every single match that has anything fictional in it. Code black, code black…..
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‘I get the feeling that you thought that would rile me up. D’awww. That’s so cute!
Look everyone, he thinks he’s people.’
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Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
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Try harder.
“Earth has god which can whoops star wars ass 1110101010x cuz it’s THE one true GOD therefore it’s omnipotent.”
Okay I’m a Christian, I believe in God in our universe, but it’s not that set in stone in fictional universes, if God is not actively shown in the universe during the events of the story he’s not considered to be in it. By actively in it I mean Hand of God pimp smacks and Angels of Heaven under orders from God kicking ass and taking names.
Just because the religion is there does not mean the diety is.
@Admiral at #2798
Otherwise it’d be like the gods of Olympus having Physical form and appearing directly in 300, wouldn’t it?
I just thought I should point out that I’m going to ignore your trash talk in this response, because, quite frankly, it’s far more hilarious than it is insulting. I got a good laugh, so thanks.
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“Very funny cuz if I recall a bunch of idiots were at that thread whining about ‘forerunner wank’ with no proof whatsoever of said wank.”
A valid claim when one of the pieces of ‘evidence’ brought up halfway through the debate was War Sphinxes tossing around capital ships like ragdolls. I shouldn’t need to explain to you how absurb that is.
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“Trillions of ships”
PrI’ll get back to this below.
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“gigaton firepower minimal”
Which is thousands of times too low to even dent the Empire’s shields.
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“insane industrial power”
Empire aren’t slouches in that department either.
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” capable of stopping/inducing a supernova”
Both sides could do that. What’s your point?
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“a super weapon capable of wiping out all sentient life across the entire galaxy”
Which is both against their PIS to use and also indiscriminate. It’s a murder-suicide button.
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“and undetectable and impregnable shields world”
NLF.
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“which hundreds were made”
Oh yeah. You got proof of that? We’ve only ever seen two. And at least one was unfinished (not sure about Onyx, been a while since I read it).
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“So tell me? How can the Empire win again. Cuz at the forerunner vs Empire thread you were just whining at the forerunner wank and not actually debating/giving a clear and precise argument for how the Empire was supposed to win the match.”
It’s really hard to argue against something that has no feats. It’s like being asked ‘could you beat Person X in a fight’ without knowing anything else about them.
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“So to be clear
Calling out forerunner wank=Empire winning. Love your logic.”
I never said the Empire won. I said the match wasn’t over because the Forerunners had no feats. Reading comprehension.
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“Gigaton/teraton firepower/shielding?”
An insufficient feat, and a vague one at that. It could have easily been much lower.
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“Trillions of ships in a single fleet?”
Still vague. Is that a trillion capital ships? Or does it include fighters, support craft, shuttles, and such? There’s a *huge* difference there.
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“10 meter mechs that are capable of megaton/gigaton firepower?”
Bullshit.
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“1km ships capable of said gigaton/teraton firepower being grown in seconds?”
It’s all fine and dandy to make grandiose claims, but you need to, you know, actually show feats for them.
But this isn’t the place to do it.
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“So you’re comparing yourself with those halotards? Good comparison I say.”
Once again, reading comprehension. You’ll note it was nowhere near the first thing I said, and it wasn’t in response to Star Wars losing (rather, as a counterpoint to your ridiculous scenario of including the Forerunners just because Halo gets spanked). It was meant as a demonstration. Apparently it missed its mark.
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“Only that the forerunners are actually quite a generic sci-fi race”
I’m glad we agree on something.
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“So here I am, trying to suggest a better fairer match where one side doesn’t instantly stomped and I got called a fanboy over it? ”
The problem is you seem to have a warped definition of the word ‘fair’. Fair does not mean ‘even’. Even means both sides are equal, fair means neither side has an out-of-context advantage.
For example, in sports, an ‘even’ game would end in a tie every time, since both sides are at exactly the same strength. A fair match is one where one side doesn’t have jetpacks and lasers (provided said sport does not already include them), or, to keep the metaphor relevant to this debate, extra players.
The issue here is that the original match was ‘Star Wars vs Halo’ with standard rules, and Halo was defeated fair and square. Now, you’re proposing we add the Forerunners (an out-of-context advantage) to give your supported side an advantage. In keeping with the sports metaphor, this is like a referee allowing one team to field additional players because their opponent is beating them badly. It’s a ridiculous notion.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism or Halo-hate. I’ve argued for Halo and against Star Wars several times on FP. This is about bad debate practice.
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“Did you give me an argument about how they win? Cuz that’s how near-omnipotent/omnipotents are u sally argued.”
I didn’t give arguments for the Rakatan, Abeloth, or Celestials because it should be obvious. I didn’t give arguments for the Kwa because I only know a little bit about them (hence why I clarified with ‘maybe’).
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“Also how are the Celestials not omnipotent or near to it? Didn’t they merge with the universe/the force ir something?”
I sort of assumed we’d include them like we did the Ancients in Ancients vs Forerunners, where we used pre-ascension Ancients.
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“What a dumb ass. You think that god isn’t real.”
Just pointing this out, but I think this is the first time I’ve seen these two prhases adjacent to each other in this context outside arguments with fundamental religious people. Who says you there’s nothing new under the sun?
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“Guess what? Star Wars isn’t real either!”
Guess what? Context is important! Unicorns aren’t real in the context of Star Wars so Unicorns aren’t in Star Wars matches, but the Force, or Star Destroyers, are. As an atheist, I do not see God as real within the context of real life, so he wouldn’t be included in such a match, but if it’s, say, a match involving the world as described by the Bible (as opposed to how the world actually is) then he’d most definitely be included.
Seriously. I know I just said this, but context, dude.
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Also, simmer down a bit. I know I can be a bit sarcastic, but if you can’t handle sarcasm on the internet…
Let’s keep things civil.