Star Wars Vs Halo

Star Wars Vs Halo

MAJOR universe match up here. With much discussion already happening in the Master Chief vs Darth Vader post, it’s very clear that this battle would be nothing short of epic.

With soo many variables such as The Force, The Forerunners and their technology, which of these universes would emerge victorious?

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  1. vicarious one August 30, 2008 at 8:43 am -      #1

    I believe the star wars universe would win, lasers are faster than plasma, one jedi can take on a spartan or a small team of elites, but might lose to brutes, star wars vehicles would own all fronts. But the rings would be a serious threat although I doubt the halo residents would use it because they want to win and live to tell about it.

  2. Mecha bob August 30, 2008 at 9:49 am -      #2

    I think it’s fairly even, and I’m not making a choice until I’ve heard other peoples arguments, but this is what I’ve thought of so far.

    The StarWars universe is much bigger (i.e. their army is larger), but the Halo universe’s technology is more powerful.

    Most ground battles will go to the Halo universe, as the bulk of the StarWars troops are stormtroopers, which everyone knows can’t aim, and can even be taken down by teddy bears.

    In a dogfight (small spaceship battle) if Banshees are the best the Halo forces have, then then they’ll lose (as even a Tie fighter can take them down)
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    As for the large ship battle, Halo ships will have an advantage with their AIs, but as StarWars has many more ships, Halo will have to fight very tactically to win (which I think, with their AIs, they can).

    Also,
    “lasers are faster than plasma”
    They don’t actually use lasers in StarWars either, there ‘blaster bolts’ are slow enough to see, and are probably comparable to covenant weapons anyway.
    If it’s just one on one with a Jedi/Sith, the Force user will win, but if it’s a group attacking a Jedi/Sith, all firing at the same time, and can actually aim (i.e. not storm troopers), then the Jedi/Sith is toast, as it would be impossible to lightsaber-defend against more than two shots at the same time, unless all the shots are in a line.
    And that’s just plasma, lightsaber-defending would be useless against grenades (you can’t block the explosion) or bullets (they’d just pass in to the lightsaber, melt and come out the other side as molten metal, and burn the Jedi/Sith’s face.
    Also, those Halo green-charge-shot weapons that can take a shield down with one shot, will take the lightsaber’s shield down, causing the plasma to spill out all over the Jedi/Sith, burning them badly.

  3. L-W August 30, 2008 at 10:22 am -      #3

    This one goes to Star Wars I’m afraid.

    The Halo universe is limited to a small series of surviving colonies spread across an extent of the galaxy in which there are currently only two sentient space-faring groups, the Covenant and Humans, a parasitic society and a species that went extinct long, long ago.

    If that were not so bad, both Human and Covenant have suffered through a brutal war. The Humans being resigned to a single, mostly demolished planet with practically no military presence; and the Covenant have been splintered by an internal civil war that fractured all remnants of their society and left them with little order and control within their own home colonies, killing potentially billions of sentient Covenant species.

    Whereas Star Wars has millions of habitable Planets and colonies spread over multiple Galaxies, with most of them containing some form of civilization or other.

    Millions of various Sentient species, most of whom communicate with other colonies and form vast trade networks over many lightyears of controlled space.

    A stable unified Galaxy with a senate formed of thousands of varying species and societies, each of which provide their own individual traits to the overall collectivism that is the Galactic Republic/Empire. Plus you have a large Military presence that holds a firm grip over much of the occupied space.

    As I stated, this one guys to Star Wars, heck, even a quarter of the Imperial Star Fleet could outnumber the combined strength of the of the Covenant and UNSC. And that does not include the various other Military factions that occupy the Star Wars Universe.

  4. guest August 30, 2008 at 1:48 pm -      #4

    A million dollars some idiot will say “they just use teh rnigs an kil everwon :twisted: lololololoololololololololol. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  5. mandalorian August 31, 2008 at 6:28 am -      #5

    The sith s have the force,spartans have good weapons.Siths are going to win against spartans because they have the force and the force si stronger than weapons.Darth revan push mc

  6. hotshot August 31, 2008 at 10:01 am -      #6

    Halo would win because,the flood have a big army they would spread over the sw galaxy and infect everybody so sw won’t stand a change against the flood.The forunners have the most advanced technololy of both star wars and halo universe.They would defeat star wars,light the rings and use theur super space ships.Mc his armor is type 2 and the armor of a forunner is type 18 ,that is a super armor.The forunner ships have very strong shields like .the forunner dreadnaughts shield was removed by the covies when the unsc atacked the dreadnaught ,the dreadnaught survived even without a shield it is strong.I think that the forunners ships have a big firepower.And the ground infantry of the unsc and the covenants are stronger than the sw infantry and have stronger ships.But sw has more races and armys ,but with the flood infected armys and the forunners technology halo would win.The only way sw can win are their super weapons,big armys and the force but jedi/ sith can’t use their force power outside the sw galaxy,so if sw atack halo that would be a great advantage for halo because they haven’t the force.

    halo wins

  7. guest August 31, 2008 at 4:06 pm -      #7

    Someone owes me a million dollars now. :grin:

  8. dui guy August 31, 2008 at 7:18 pm -      #8

    darn i should have taken that bet too :neutral:

  9. L-W September 1, 2008 at 12:08 am -      #9

    Apparently the phrase…

    “A long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far away”

    …Is far too difficult for people to comprehend these days. Are you quite possibly just acting stupid? Because with an act that convincing you should possibly consider a career in Showbusiness.

    It’s the same Universe. Duh.

  10. baumjoe September 1, 2008 at 2:29 am -      #10

    star wars would win they have better tech the star wars universe is about twenty thousand years ahead of the halo universe as far as tech goes an example of this is hyperspace technology they have had it for about ten thousand years where as the halo universe is about a few hundred. plus the yuuhanvong concord hundreds of race in a matter of days.

  11. bobdowling September 2, 2008 at 12:09 pm -      #11

    I’d say that the Halo Universe would win, even though the Star Wars universe is quite advanced they just wouldn’t be able to stop the Forerunners.

    Even if they could stop the Forerunners, and if we ARE taking everything in the prime of it’s life (ie: The Imperial Fleet in the prime of it’s times and the Covenant Empire in the prime of it’s time and the Forerunners still alive) then you still have to consider the Precursors.

    The Precursors would simply pown anything and everything, even the Forerunners view them as Gods and a “theoretical ceiling of technology”.

    And lets not forget the power of a single Forerunner dreadnought, but what about the 1,000 Forerunner dreadnought ships that the Forerunners gave Mendicant Bias to find and kill the Gravemind?

    Even if the battle was staged around the Death Star, the Empire, Rebel, CIS, Clones and even the other various fleets found throughout the Star Wars story just wouldn’t last long, the Death Star would probably take out even a Forerunner dreadnought, but it’s laser probably wouldn’t even scratch the lead Precursor ship (whatever ships they did have).

    Also! I do believe that a Forerunner dreadnought or “keyship” is approx 14km long and an Executor is about 19km long, even with the Executors bigger size (and most likely a vastly larger Firepower capability when facing the enemy dead-on) the Empire didn’t have much of these, and the Forerunners gave Mendicant Bias a total of 1,000 major ships like the Forerunner keyship/dreadnought to destroy the Gravemind and even then they had about 11,000 of these big ships waiting to defend against Mendicant Bias’ attack when he goes rampant and sides with the Gravemind.

    Could you really think how long the Star Wars Universe’s total Fleet size would last against this unstoppable onslaught? And even then you have the huge pre-schism Covenant Fleet and Covenant battleships have Energy projectiles which would probably gut and destroy a regular Imperial Star Destroyer in one-shot, and with a giant fleet (well over a thousand ships) firing these one-shot killer blows against the Star Wars fleet they would seriously take hits very quickly, and some of the Covenant ships could even sport about 7 of these projectors.

    I can see the ships focusing their fire on a single spot on the Death Stars shields and taking it out very quickly, and even if the Covenant ships couldn’t do this then the Forerunners ships most likely could.

    The Humans from the Halo universe wouldn’t be much use here, considering that their strongest ship to ship weapon was the Super MAC cannon, (although if they did use a prowler ship to secretly place a NOVA bomb near the Death Star then you’re seriously looking at a Death Star and probably a good portion of the Star Wars fleet about to say “bye-bye”.

    The Humans may not be a match for the Star Wars universe in terms of technological advancement, but the Covenant would pose a serious threat, and if not the Covenant then the Forerunners alone would seriously keep the entire Star Wars fleet up against a wall and if the Forerunners couldn’t do it then the Precursors would, no doubt, eradicate the Star Wars fleet.

    As for planetary invasions, there wouldn’t be any. They’d probably overrun the few worlds they deemed useful while they glassed every single other planet to smithereens, and due to the fact that the Star Wars universe is so universally “cocky” about there being no-way that an outside force from another Galaxy could destroy them, they so blatantly make it easy for the Halo Universe to find most of the planets and easily destroy them.

    A single NAV database would be the end for the Star Wars universe, and if they didn’t do what the Humans did when fighting the Covenant (basically hiding all the planets they had and desperately try and fight back against impossible odds) then they would be screwed.

    And the outside-force from another Galaxy is just how the Forerunners met their end in the Halo universe. They knew their galaxy very well and didn’t even suspect an attack from the outside, but when the Flood came and took them by surprise they perished. And I have no doubt that if the Flood took the Star Wars galaxy by surprise then it would only be a matter of time before you had 7/8ths of the Galaxy infected and the rest of the Galaxy trying to “hold” the line against the Flood and in the end losing bit by bit before they are totally overwhelmed.

    I say the Halo Universe wins hands down, they have the Flood, Forerunners and the Precursors too and while the Star Wars universe does have “numbers” that only makes it worse if the Flood take them by surprise, much, much worse…

  12. Mecha bob September 2, 2008 at 8:04 pm -      #12

    The forerunners are dead, so I don’t see they would be much help, but if you’re taking Halo forces from outside the canon-continuity (Halo to Halo3 and SWI to SWVI), then you’d have to also include the same for starwars, i.e. the EU, in which case, StarWars still wins.

    And I don’t see the forerunners being that powerful, if there entire species was wiped out by a threat (flood) that was taken care of by a single human (masterchief).

    And a fleet of only thousands isn’t going to last long, seeing as the Empire alone had a fleet of million (and with all the other races, empires and such, the SW universe has billions of ships).

  13. L-W September 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm -      #13

    Trillions if you count the Extra-Galactic forces of the Imperium.

  14. hotshot September 3, 2008 at 7:09 am -      #14

    MUAHAHH thats right star wars won’t stand a chance against the precurors,the forruners and the flood

  15. hotshot September 3, 2008 at 7:12 am -      #15

    SHUT UP anakin is dead to ,shut up halo wins.

  16. hotshot September 3, 2008 at 12:29 pm -      #16

    If you say that sw has better techno then halo,think about the forunners and Precursors

  17. L-W September 3, 2008 at 11:46 pm -      #17

    So? Your argument hinges on the availability of the Forerunner and Precursor species, one of which is utterly extinct (That tends to eat up most of your free time) and the other is a non-tertiary hyper sentient being that no longer exists within the physical realm of four dimensional space.

    What a line up you have there, care to throw out anymore gems Hotshot, or has those three sentences exhumed your intellectual potential?

    Without the Religious objectivity of the Rings, the Imperial Navy would have little trouble sterilizing the Flood from Orbit, who have no technological tier to speak of. They’re dependent on technology that must be procured in battle, with the Navys ability to destroy entire star systems from orbit, I doubt the Flood could gain a sufficient foothold.

    Notice that the Covenant, using Forerunner technology, are limited to merely glassing a Planet, the Empire is capable of wiping out entire Planets. Breaking them down to rock, vapour and sand.

  18. hotshot September 4, 2008 at 11:00 am -      #18

    the only known intellegent species of halo are those five and star wars has may.But sw has many primitive species like ewoks,… And the emprire could blow a planet,yes but a halo ring is better and i talk about those two species because they are the most advance are you jealous that halo has better techno and an unstopable infection species,why do you always ignore their power and always talkabout the covenant and unsc.The forunners and precursors are maybe dead but there are many species to in sw that are dead

    answer this question what will sw do if the flood atack their galaxy?

  19. hotshot September 4, 2008 at 11:02 am -      #19

    And the covenant techno is based on the forruner but most of the forunners culture,weapons,techno are lost so the covenant didn’t take all of their techno.

  20. hotshot September 4, 2008 at 11:04 am -      #20

    The battle stations of the empire can destroy one planet but the halos destroy everything,of the covenant has token all of the forruner thechno then the covies have super weapons like halo but they didn’t

  21. hotshot September 4, 2008 at 11:08 am -      #21

    And the covenant ships are stronger then emprire ships with their energy projectors.Did you forget that the super stardestroyer was destroyed by one single starfighter? So one enrgy projector is enogh to destroy a super stardestroyer but only on his weakest point and thats the bridge.The forunner dreadnaught wasn’t destoyed by the unsc withou a shield the dreadnaught is still powerfull

    Halo infantry are powerful the hunters would kick all droids and clones

  22. Mecha bob September 4, 2008 at 3:52 pm -      #22

    The problem with the Halo rings though, is that they’ll destroy all the Halo forces, so if they use them, then the best they can hope for is a draw.

    And there are more than 5 intelligent species in Halo, there are at least 7 different species in the covenant alone.

    If the flood invade the SW galaxy, what they’ll do is wipe them out. The flood are only really a problem in massive numbers on the ground, and maybe SW will lose a planet or two (but out of billions, it’s not much of a loss), but in space combat, they will just wipe out the flood with their vastly superior numbers, before the flood gain a sufficient foothold.
    And as the flood are incredibly weak minded, force telepathy and telepathic control would probably be no problem on them.

    As for halo infantry, the humans still use bullets, which is not only less high tech than starwars weapons, but it’s not even more advanced than current weapons technology, and the covenant weapons, only being able to do a similar level of damage as bullets, are just as lowtech (when compaired to starwars weaponry.)

  23. marche September 4, 2008 at 5:30 pm -      #23

    keep in mind that it only takes one flood spore to wipe out a species.
    the flood would sneak their way onboard a couple of ships and lose planets like you said.
    but if its at the time of the rebilion.they would grab as many ships as they can and spread out throughout the universe.

  24. L-W September 5, 2008 at 3:25 am -      #24

    So once again the entire argument hinges upon a species that (As I mentioned earlier) is totally Parasitic and holds no sway or alliance with either Universe and would CONSUME all life if given the chance.

    Wow. That argument is as bad as the Forerunner Rings, could you really not think any harder or did you stress yourselves coming up with that one? Which brings me onto…

    The Rings themselves. Although potentially destroying both creations in the process, it is limited to exterminating/sterilizing ONE Galaxy. The Star Wars universe expands over several Galaxies, with more intelligent species than one could ever hopefully count spreading over these multiple systems. With the activation of the Rings, the Halo universe LOSES on behalf of suicide, whereas the Star Wars universe will continue to thrive minues one galaxy.

    In regards to which, there are over 59 intelligent space faring species in the SW universe, all of them equal or above the Human level of technology exhibited by the Human Empire of the Halo universe.

    I look forward to the next rebuttal because…Well, let’s face it, it’s rare to see the opposition post anything of substance.

  25. hotshot September 5, 2008 at 11:44 am -      #25

    I don’t say that they use the rings in the halo universe but in the sw universe and humans have bullets but laser too like the spartan laser.And how will sw stop the flood?With space ships?No that would not help they would land on planets with pods ore use human and covenant ships like high charity.Eh no flood will work together with the entire halo universe and why would they not?Siths and jedi would team up to if they fight against halo nad flood can work together like they did in halo 3

  26. hotshot September 5, 2008 at 11:46 am -      #26

    I don’t talk only about their rings,thy also have super armor ,stronger than every armor in sw.Humans of the unsc are srronger than clones,they have willpower and fight better
    And the brutes and elites are large and strong and would kill many clones,wookies,mandies,..

  27. Neutral Dude September 6, 2008 at 5:02 pm -      #27

    Well if the sw weapons are like the covenant plasma weapons then without a doubt i think the flood (if they are in this war) would win cus if you were to use a cov. weapon vs a flood it would usually have no effect on the flood so if the sw weapons are like the covs. then yeah im all for halo winning if not then sw would probably win…

    And just out of curiosity how do like covenant reproduce?

  28. L-W September 6, 2008 at 9:28 pm -      #28

    Well, the Covenant are not one species, therefore there are a variety of different methods of reproduction over the Covenant hierarchy.

    Grunts and Brutes, for example, would reproduce in a manner quite similar to Mammals, with each pack, group or clan caring for the multiple litters. Brutes I should imagine would have only one to two infants per pregnancy, but would still be reliant upon small tribes and families.

    Whilst Hunters on the other hand are actually large clusters of tubular Worms connected through symbiosis, reproduction for them would most likely include any number of methods, such as hives, spores, nests or good old fashioned Mitosis.

    No doubt at all though the Prophets have manipulated the Covenant echelons to prevent most of their lower caste members (Grunts, Jackals etc.) from reproducing naturally, instead opting to use breeding farms for mass war production.

  29. hotshot September 7, 2008 at 6:02 am -      #29

    halo and star wars vs gears of wars and star trek

    halo and sw wins

  30. hotshot September 12, 2008 at 10:22 am -      #30

    ?nOBADY SOMETHING TO SAY

  31. That one dude September 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm -      #31

    Hmmm a wookie vs a brute hard decision on who would win…

  32. hotshot September 17, 2008 at 2:14 pm -      #32

    Brute wins because , brutes are larger ,heavier,smarter,more agressive ,stronger….

  33. That one dude September 17, 2008 at 11:50 pm -      #33

    Yeah thats what i was thinking brutes also have their vehiles i’d like to see a wookie jump on one of them lol

  34. hotshot September 18, 2008 at 11:07 am -      #34

    Tartartus vs chewbacca
    without weapons ,close combat

    tartartus wins easy

  35. hotshot September 19, 2008 at 10:50 am -      #35

    And halo wins against sw easily,without the force jedis and sith are useless,losers

  36. That guy September 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm -      #36

    lets look at the sides
    human ships are built on an enourmous scale. Ive played that modded sandtrap and that ship is like…1/500th of a UNSC marathon class. I also believe that in a ship battle (which this will indefinantly be) The UNSC have Mac guns that will gut most star wars ships. IF they are both at the height of their power then Im sure the unsc would win. Here is a total breakdown. Spartan > jedi Lightsabres are used to deflect the slow moving lazers of a stormtrooper. In short the very notion that you can deflect a bullet is rediculous. Even in the star wars movies the jedi guys got killed by a few clones (later stormtroopers) Halo ships > Star wars ships The Piller of autumn with its tripple firing mac gun would overload the shields of most of the empires ships and finish them off with at least the last round. I laugh every time I think that a few punks with lazers BLEW UP the greatest empieralistic ship by shooting down an exhaust hatch Halo soldiers > star wars soldiers Last time I checked The marines I played along side werent as stupid as the AI in star wars battlefront two. However: the empire has a lot of people to waste.

  37. Just A Gamer September 22, 2008 at 1:10 am -      #37

    Alright first of all I would like to admit that the Halo universe has a very slim chance of winning. Both the humans and Covenant have been ravaged by war and reduced to shadows of there former power. However, the halo universe has at least one type of nearly undetectable ship used by the ONI. Now the Covenant posses technologically superior war ships. Yes I realize that’s a stretch for some Star Wars fans, but in the novel First Strike Master Chief commandeers a covenant destroyer and Cortana reprograms the ship to shoot the plasma in a beam rather than a pulse. Using this concentrated version of the weapon and skilled piloting she was able to destroy 3 other undamaged Covenant vessels. So if the Covenant used their force to create a diversion while this heavily cloaked ship made a run close to the planet and dropped off a few dozen Flood infection forms in a populated area, the Flood would quickly and easily kill off all the life on that planet, at which point the Covenant could glass the planet. Using this strategy the Halo universe could gain a lot of ground before the Empire could develop an effective counter measure.

    Another point I wanted to make is in Halo they guard there information very well and have lots of protocol to protect the location of their base planets and Earth. This may help to slow the Star Wars universes progression into the halo systems because they would have no idea where to look. Now The other possible effect here is, the Star Wars universe does not have such protocol. If so then after the humans or Covenant capture a ship or two they can use their navigation charts and not only know where all of their planets and bases are, but possibly where to strike for crippling attacks. For instance the facility where they grow there clone armies, or weapons depots and manufacturers, and ship building facilities. They could strategically strike these places. They could glass them with the covenant plasma, level them with incredibly powerful nukes, or simply overrun them with Flood then burn the remains to the ground. With their supplies cut off they would fall, just like in the battle front games. Attack there supplies and there infrastructure fails. Eventually they can no longer put up an effective fight. Some of these places they could even take over with enough ground troops. Brutes have a severely overpopulated planet, the Halo universe send hundreds of them in to take the facility by force then start using it to build their own ships or weapons. Using the humans AI’s and the Covenants Engineers they could quickly learn how to use their plants and technologies.

    Well I hope you guys actually read this and take it into consideration before your next post. I believe this is proof that if they play it smart enough the Halo Universe can win.

  38. hotshot September 22, 2008 at 2:14 pm -      #38

    Yes,thats true it will be difficult for star wars

  39. hotshot September 23, 2008 at 10:55 am -      #39

    Don’t forget the other advantages of halo like the nova bomb of the unsc that would destory a star wars fleet ore wipe out a planet

  40. Yoda September 24, 2008 at 10:00 am -      #40

    The force vanquish halo.

  41. Tartarus September 24, 2008 at 10:01 am -      #41

    You are a fool yoda, our armies are on our way to dagobah right now…

  42. Yoda September 24, 2008 at 10:03 am -      #42

    Vanquish you we will.

  43. Tartarus September 24, 2008 at 10:03 am -      #43

    Nonsence! We shall destroy you and the jedi!

  44. Master Cheif September 24, 2008 at 12:03 pm -      #44

    We have lightsabers of our own but we call them energy swords.

  45. Galen Marek September 24, 2008 at 2:14 pm -      #45

    All right guys this is pretty sad, Star Wars would win hands down.
    The Halo universe is outnumbered 100 to 1 easy. On top of that a Jedi or a Sith could take out multiple Spartans or Elites, and even easier the brutes. Especially if Starkiller (Darth Vaders Secret Apprentice) is in the mix here, the most powerful force user to ever exist. On top of that his Lightsaber skills are legendary, oh and one more thing for whoever said bullets would go through a Lightsaber you are stupid it would be disintigrated.

  46. Onesidedfight September 24, 2008 at 10:38 pm -      #46

    ok, any one who says halo forces are crippled is wrong. If star wars forces are nor, then nethier should halos. The ground fighters in halo have better aim, but mabye, mabye less powerful wepons. Jedi woudnt beat a spartien, but a sithwould ( because of deadly use of force). The flood could be able to help, but that would require luck so I will not count them. Humans where able to hold the covnet off 100+ years. So here’s how I see it. Humans are but in charge of defence and upgrading wepondery (which one smart AI could do in much less then a day) while the covnet attack. After fully upgrading wepondrey and defence, humans would start mass prouding spartins which would be sent to destory key places, like the death star, production plants, etc. Let’s not also forget that in a last ditch effort, they could use the rings and draw

  47. Onesidedfight September 24, 2008 at 10:39 pm -      #47

    Oh, and sorry for spelling.

  48. L-W September 25, 2008 at 1:12 am -      #48

    This is assuming that the Star Wars universe will do nothing and simply sit on its thumbs whilst potentially the entire collective Universe could potentially be on the Universe…

    …Right…

    Halo is outnumbered by an ever greater margin here than a mere 100 to 1. Even the most basic Space faring species of the SW universe (Such as the Mon Kalamari) are more than an equal match for the Human Empire of Halo when it was at its peak before the Covenant extermination. With several hundred recorded sentient species in the SW universe, with each one holding a substantial military, economical or ideological empire; things begin to look grim for Halo.

    We’re looking at a margin of a 1000 to 1. The Imperial Fleet alone has the resources and capacity to fight the Covenant a dozen times over. Without their stronger bretheren allying them, the Human colonies would defend themselves for as long as it takes for an Imperial gunship to arrive within Weapons range (Far greater than any MAC or Orbital gun) and bathe the Planet in super-heated Plasma.

  49. hotshot September 25, 2008 at 12:41 pm -      #49

    No thats not true :!: , it will be a advantage for the flood,there are many kind of species in star wars ,so good for the flood because :more species so more food for the flood they will infect them and will have a super flood armie,halo wins
    they will simply drop floods on every planet so they can infect that planet,floods infect places very fast,like high charity,there were not many flood on high charity maybe 100 floods when they atacked high charty but they had infect it very fast,that would happen is star wars everybody dead.

    the covenant wins against the empire ,the empire won’t stand a chance on ground because the covies ar stronger,one brute could kill 10 storm troopers ,they would defeat them like humans in halo 3,hunters are very large and would kill many stormtroppers with their melee atacks and can hold of many weapons and because stormtroopers are losers,the elites would drop many pods in the middle of a imperial army and wipe them out with energy swords
    and brutes would kick their vehicles with gravity hamers

    in space the covenant would have a problem with the death star but even a smal rebel army had defeated the second death star and the fleet
    so the covenant wins
    they would destroy all star destroyers with energy projectors and plasma torpedo

    and saying that a lightsaber blocks a bullet is the not true,go back to school were they learn you that metal melts with a high temperture

    spartans would kick their ass

    halos wipe out star wars and use the teleport gridge to teleport floods on nearby planets ore the death star

    and forunners are smarter than every species of the sw galaxy even the forunners clouldn’t hold of the flood massive outbreak,the flood outbreak in the falo games wasn’t so big thats why master chief could stop them

    even with they many species,the force and superweapons
    star wars would lose

  50. hotshot September 26, 2008 at 12:42 pm -      #50

    I don’t now if they would be able to defeat the flood
    answer is no :!:

  51. hotshot September 26, 2008 at 12:44 pm -      #51

    Tartarus would smash all jedis that come nearby with his hammer and defend himself with a shield

  52. Galen Marek September 26, 2008 at 5:57 pm -      #52

    Hey hotshot you arn’t very smart, the lightsaber would disintigrate the bullet.
    That is basically like saying oh if I leave a bullet in a building that gets nuked it will just melt. That mother f*cker will be gone along with the whole rest of the building it will instantly be disintigrated. Oh and btw Master Chief would suck balls too if you took off all his armor got rid of his enhancments too dumbass. That is like taking a Jedi’s force away. Just give up guys Halo is just inferior to Star Wars, I mean hell I am a Halo fan but Star Wars is just by far superior.

  53. L-W September 26, 2008 at 8:40 pm -      #53

    Hotshot, you never struck me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    That opinion still hasn’t changed.

    The major advantage of the Empire is the Imperial fleet, which is far vaster and has far more Capital ships per populus than anything the Covenant can yield in any generation. Whilst the Covenant only occupy a single arm of the Orion belt, the Imperial Navy occupies the entire space of its own Galaxy…

    …From every arm to even the Core. They can even afford to deploy entire fleets within other Galaxies and the spaces inbetween.

    Just to help you understand, the combined fleets of both the separatists and the Republic seen over Coruscant in “Revenge of the Sith” would become the size of the standard battlegroup in the Imperial Navy. The Imperial Star Destroyer would never have to deploy Troops in the first place since the entire Covenant Armada would be razed in space before any sort of ground deployment would be seen.

    This is not any sort of biased upon my part, just factual observation. Based upon what I can observe upon available manpower and resources, the Empire vastly outranks anything the Covenant may have at its disposal in both numbers and firepower.

    “A small country cannot contend with a great; the few cannot contend with the many; the weak cannot contend with the strong” – Mencius

    The Covenant were never fans of ground combat (Judging from their efforts in Halo: Combat Evolved), they would forced further and further back by a superior Navy with multiple combat roles that specialise in almost all forms of warfare with tactical dedication.

    “and saying that a lightsaber blocks a bullet is the not true,go back to school were they learn you that metal melts with a high temperture”

    Ironically enough a lightsaber does produce an extremely high temperature at its core, it even ionizes the air surrounding it, which produces that Golden hue whenever it moves rapidly through the atmosphere. Even Tungsten rounds would shatter or melt upon contact with a lightsaber.

    How do you think Sabers cauterize wounds so rapidly upon contact? Or slice through starship compartment so quickly?

    “Tartarus would smash all jedis that come nearby with his hammer and defend himself with a shield”

    Oh please, now you’re just kidding yourself. Tartarus would never stand against ONE Jedi, the combined forces of the Sith and the Jedi would wipe out the Covenant with ease.

    So far the only substantial arguments you’ve offered ONLY prove to be suicidal for the Halo verse: Activating the Rings and arming and deploying the Flood with ships, a capacity for teleportation and allowing them to breed en masse. Do you honestly think the Flood would merely be selective in their targeting? They would turn on both parties for their own gain and literally wipe the Halo forces off the face of the Galaxy.

    At least Star Wars is spread over multiple Galaxies and could most likely delay the Flood infection, whereas even the Forerunners were limited to their arm of the Galaxy, they’d all be consumed faster than they could ever imagine thanks to you genius move of allowing the Flood tactical supremacy and GIVING them access to teleportation.

    Moron.

  54. Galen Marek September 27, 2008 at 2:23 am -      #54

    Thank you L-W someone else who actually has some common sense.
    I didn’t think about some of the last things you said, but everything you said is very true. Hotshot just seems to be another one of those fanboys that is going to bring stupid arguements in against us.

  55. mandalorian September 27, 2008 at 7:55 am -      #55

    The star forge wipe out the halo galaxy
    they would absorb the suns energy and gain power from the sun to deploy and fires to earth and destroys all planets and space ships of the unsc wouldn’t stand a change :mrgreen:

  56. hotshot September 27, 2008 at 8:16 am -      #56

    Even with their clonig techniques so they habe a much larger army then the covenant, the covenants wins on ground do you understand me!!!!!!And saying that all jedis would defeat tartarus?Even the clones defeat them
    And give me a reason why they would win on ground …AN d the covies would use boarding crafts to board their ships,there are billions of covenants on the planet
    and i don’t have a choice to talk only about forunners,covies,floods,….because they are the only know civilitions of halo ,and how would they defeat the flood
    100 floods vs high charity:floods wins
    big flood armys from the forunner-flood war ,the floods wins
    and the forunners are smarter than sw species because they can built planets and their super weapons could wipe out a galaxy and precursors are capable of going from the one galaxy to another
    the unsc would simply go in a unsc prowler with a spartan team and drop a nuclear boms and nova bombs on coruscant ore let the flood infect their planets
    i
    48 sentinel onyx could combine their power to destroy a ship,there are trillions of onyx sentinels they would destroy an imperial fleet

    and saying that the flood wouldn’t work together with halo is a
    sign is that you don’t know how to defeat the flood
    are you scary of the flood :?: that you even say that they would’t work together with halo?pffff if you say that ,then i could say that the jedi wouldn’t work together with siths,empire so ..only stupid peoples say that

    and if theywould activid halo ,they would save them self in the portal

    the halo AIs would crack all systems of sw like the death star and would control it

    covenants would defeat their empirial armys,the scarab gun destroys them,use the grunts as cannon fodders and elites are the same as spartans

    halo wins and you galen marek doesn’t have any arguments

  57. hotshot September 27, 2008 at 12:04 pm -      #57

    And the covenat army is strong enough to defeat an imperial army,everyone knows that stormtroopers can’t aim,one shot from a laser is enough to kill them even arrows from a ewok could kill a stormtrooper
    the drones with their swarms would kill many stormtroopers,the scarab is stronger than a AT-AT because it has a strong main cannon ,the brutes are larger than all stormtroppers and would kill them with their strong weapons like brute shot,elites are strong to they have a energy shield ,and a active camo they would wipe out the stormtroppers with energy swords,hunters are giants that can take many damage ,one melee atack is enough to kill 10 troopers in one melee, they would use like i said as cannon fodder but the grunts would kill stormtroopers to with their great numbers,the jackals would defend themself with the shields,engineers are very smart and repairs everyting and understand techno

    the main starships of the empire are the star destroyers and of the covenant the ccs-class battle cruiser,the covenat cruiser is stronger and larger than a star destroyer with his energy projector it would destroy the s destroyer with one shot and plasma torpedoes are very accurate,even if the empire would have maybe a larger army the covenant would win,AIs are very smart ,they would shut down the computer system of the death star

    you L_W ,you are a very jealous loser that knows that halo have a chance but doesn’t admit ,you always ignore their power ,who do you think you are :?:

    even the unsc troops would defeat the empire on ground but may lose in space but with their mac guns and nova bombs they would have a chance

    20 spartans are enough to defeat them,the droids have a army of quadrillion droids but they are stupid thats why the clones wins ,jedis aren’t so strong but siths are very strong ,a sith would defeat a spartan but jedi not remember order 66

    even with that halo would win,a forunner dreadnought is capable to smash a fleet
    like the war between elites and prophets

    the forunners have many of those ships,forunners would have many other ships they would simply destroy all combined fleets of sw

    the outer rims have no much defences they are easy to defeat,the star forge is a problem is would make many armys but halo would destroy it

  58. L-W September 27, 2008 at 10:35 pm -      #58

    Fortunately Hotshot, if you were more capable of debate I may take that insult to heart. Fortunately for me, you’re not…

    Once again basing your argument on null and void issues, such as the presence of a dead alien species just goes to show how far you’ve gone to grasp straws once again.

    The basis of all war has been and will always be this:

    “Bred and Fed”

    To fight a war (Without using Galactic superweapons that would kill your Galaxy in the process on a massive genocidal scale) you need manpower, warm bodies who can operate your war machine; and the resources to keep those warm bodies active for just that purpose.

    Bred and Fed.

    The Athenians learnt that, the Romans learnt that, the Palestines, Russians, English, Germans (every country in existence) and today even modern America is facing the issue of breeding and feeding. The winner usually is the opponent whose BF ratio is higher than that of the other.

    Forget all that cloning jazz, you’re just micromanaging your war now (Bad idea); in the vaster scale of the conflict. The Empire simply outranks the Covenant in terms of manpower, resources, capacity and operational duration. They can keep more ships, more men and more guns in space longer than the enemy can even hope to from their litlte corner of the Galaxy.

    “and saying that the flood wouldn’t work together with halo is a
    sign is that you don’t know how to defeat the flood”

    No sir, it’s a sign of your idiocy.

    “are you scary of the flood that you even say that they would’t work together with halo?pffff if you say that ,then i could say that the jedi wouldn’t work together with siths,empire so ..only stupid peoples say that”

    Each faction would have vested interests on their own behalf. The Empire would wish to crush and expand upon Halo territory, the Jedi would only wish to protect and guard the republic states and the innocents within and the Sith would want to take the Forerunner technology for themselves. Just because they’re working towards a similar goal, does not mean they have to work in cohesion or for the same purpose.

    Whereas the Flood has only one purpose, consumption. If given enough technology they would crash the whole Party themselves, they’re a mindless Parasitic entity with only one purpose. If given the oppertunity to spread I can GUARANTEE you that Halo would fall long before any part of the Star Wars universe could. Only a total idiot would ever dare arm the Flood with the technology to fight a Galactic war, only the dumbest of the dumb, the most moronic creature to ever cling from the tidal pool, the weakest of the genetic soup, the shallow end of the genetic spectrum. Which brings me onto my next point rather nicely…

    In future, Hotshot, I would appreciate a somewhat semi-coherent post on your behalf. Is english you first language? Because it takes some time to decipher what you post on most occasions.

  59. L-W September 27, 2008 at 11:16 pm -      #59

    As a side note (Something I realised later on), I thought I’d give you a list of the Star Wars Galactic weapons, for those of you with boners for big guns:

    Centre point Station: A giant tractor beam capable of generating enough gravitational power to either destroy or create worlds, see, they do have the ability to create worlds.

    Darksaber: The Death Star main gun without the Death Star.

    Death Star: As we all know it.

    Eye of Palpatine: An automated moon that is operated entirely by an internal AI without human assistance, similar to Onyx.

    Immune to the efects of the Rings.

    Galaxy Gun: A large Artillery based weapon capable of launching its ordinance into Hyperspace and impacting its target at speeds faster than light. Entire Covenant worlds would simply explode without forewarning thanks to this baby.

    Mass shadow generator: The mass shadow generator uses the gravity of a planet to generate a quantum singularity. The singularity is made to destabilize, creating a “gravitic implosion shockwave.”

    Star Forge: The Empire would have to deploy just ONE of these things and they could win a war without EVER losing so much as a single Storm Trooper. The Star Forge would tear up the Halo Universe like a Mother effer. Once this thing attaches itself to a star system,there is nothing in the Halo universe that could dislodge it. Not even the Rings themselves could ever hope to stop it.

    Sun Crusher: Designed and constructed within the Maw and overseen by Admiral Daala, the Sun Crusher has a nearly indestructible hull made of quantum-crystalline armor. The primary weapon is a torpedo launched into the heart of a star that causes it to go supernova, obliterating everything in the local solar system. This thing makes the Dreadnaught look like a Paper weight. Nothing in the Covenant Armada could ever hope to defeat the Sun Crusher. It would even be immune to the effects of the Ring.

    World Devastator: World Devastators consume the material of planet, using it in their internal factories to produce new war machines for the Empire. Such as the Star Forge. So one World Devastator consumes a planet, deploys a Star Forge which defeats another dozen planets defence systems, which the Devastator consumes to produce another dozen Forges…

    Also immune to the Rings.

    You can see where I’m coming from when I say that the Star Wars universe has the numbers, resources and manpower, right?

    Star Killer: A weapon designed to automate the Hyper drive systems of other ships, potentially any part of the Covenant armada could be dropped into a Black Hole upon request, without their knowledge.

    Immune to the Rings.

    Tarkin: A stealth laser weapon with a powerful Hyperdrive unit, the equivelant of a Planet sniping weapon which can fire from immense distances.

    Interplanetary Ion Cannon: Capable of targeting planets at interstellar ranges, and its ion beams could vaporize a terrestrial planet’s atmosphere.

    Infinity Wave: An Infinity Wave was a superweapon invented by the Kwa. Through the ‘power of the cosmos’ harnessed by the Kwa Infinity Gates, it was possible to direct enormous waves of energy presumably anywhere in the Galaxy. Such a wave was able to suck an entire planet, along with surrounding satellites, into infinity, presumably killing all life and destroying all matter. As a side-effect, hyperspace navigation in the entire sector where the Wave hit became impossible.

    Corsair: A ship similar to the Star Crusher, but far older and far more pwerful. Once again, would make the Dreadnaught look like a paper weight.

    The Eclipse: Was the first Eclipse-class Star Dreadnaught ever constructed and the lead ship and prototype of its class. It was built as a flagship for Emperor Palpatine, who used it after being reborn into one of his clone bodies. Both a powerful technological tool and a potent psychological weapon, the Eclipse boasted a planet’s worth of weaponry and was almost unstoppable. The Eclipse was equipped with a bevy of weapons and other technologies, including gravity well projectors, but chief among its weapons was an axial superlaser, capable of cracking a planet’s crust or destroying a capital ship in a single blow.

    Ion ring: A device used to create habitable Planets from available matter, a device used to create planets.

    The Mass Shadow Generator: MSG drew upon the natural mass shadows generated by planetary bodies. At Malachor V, the gravitation anomalies at work within the Malachor system allowed it to unleash catastrophic devastation upon anything within close proximity of the planet. The superweapon was designed to take advantage of the unique gravitational fields present at Malachor V, but it would later be speculated that the weapon could be modified to function within any star system. The Mass Shadow Generator was capable of gravely damaging or destroying any ships or space stations in orbit above the target world, but it also annihilated virtually everything upon the planet’s surface. Two activations of the weapon were enough to completely destroy a planet.

    So the Star Wars universe DOES have the capacity to build Planets. Weeeeell, I guess that throws another wrench in the Halo argument.

  60. AlphaCommando September 28, 2008 at 3:09 am -      #60

    Man L-G you got this nailed down like a mother, kudos for your repulsion of idiocy.

    Another note to add, the reason Stormtroopers are portrayed so negatively (IE suck at aiming and what not) is due to the movie’s use of character shields, stormtroopers have numbers, equipment, training, and as said before pure endurance on their side. If you noticed in the novels especially, stormtroopers have far heavier armor and dead-eye accuracy (somewhat) , a single Stormtrooper could murder a Brute minor before it even had a chance to close ranks to engage in melee (which I will admit a Brute would win hands down at). But then you have Dark Troopers, and the hundreds of enhanced Imperial infantry. Also in general comparing SW and Halo is like comparing the modern American military with what the Romans had, the tech and pure resources just doesn’t even register on the same chart….

    And the arguments for Halo always boil down to; the Flood a highly unpredictable “weapon”, who the Empire could actually pretty easily eliminate, the Forerunners (dead), and the Precursors (transentient beings that technically no longer exist)…

  61. AlphaCommando September 28, 2008 at 3:19 am -      #61

    PS; I am a huge Halo and SW fan (read just about every single novel and additional fact book for both), I just actually have my brain securely fastened inside my head.

  62. Galen Marek September 28, 2008 at 4:40 am -      #62

    Wow that is alot of weapons I didn’t know about, I knew about a few.
    Wow L-W where did you get all this info, I really wanna read up on it I am a big time Star wars fan. Oh and hotshot ground troop wise if Star Wars put out Sith and Jedi even a fraction of Darth Vader’s or Starkiller (Darth Vader’s Secret Apprentice and the most powerful force user to ever live, also a master of his own lightsaber style.) They could take out many many many Covenant, Brutes, or even Spartans. Oh and btw you wanna know something I garentee you the makers of Halo would get on their knees and lick George Lucas’s shoes if they had the opportunity, Star wars is the main reason alot of the games like Halo even exist out there.

  63. swifterdeath September 28, 2008 at 9:08 pm -      #63

    well as a fan of both halo and star wars at a first thought you would think BOOM halo is a goner…WRONG! grunts though cannon fodder would still rip threw storm troopers and rebels…because
    one:
    they reproduce really quickly!
    two: although at first you think there small and weak…yes there weak i guess…with bullets! the blasters…will take about two hits to kill and there not small…there 5′ feet tall as for hunters…they will rip threw anything for a while.

    on land i would have to say its a tie…if you go with hte covenant and them then they will more then likly win if its with hte human then id have to say they lose and the star wars guys just got a planet…

    now think of this scenario- the covenant has just attacked a planet 2 times and lost…ok so now you think ok star wars just one…WRONG!!! the covenant go in and glass the planet…problem solved…and what if you say “ok well the star wars guys will just shoot da covvy ships!” WRONG AGAIN! the human ships with there mac guns will blow the hell out of the enemy ships…but then again the oppisite thing could happen…as in the enemy ships are to large in number and go threw them…well then by then the covenant ships will have already probably glassed all or more of the planet.

    in a dog fight…you may think oh well all halo got is a banshee!…WRONG! they have many diffrent fighters…i guess like the covenant sarreph or seomthing like that….

    and the final decision maker…THE FLOOD! if everything else in the halo universe fails the flood will just kill all the others…this is the one thing i thought that tipped the battle…if hte flood where not in the halo universe then id have to say halo loses but the flood is in it so BOOM halo wins

  64. Onesidedfight September 28, 2008 at 10:16 pm -      #64

    L-W, your right. So far most facts I posted where unreashered. So here I will say halo has a slim chance of winning. But the flood should be on halos side, for there is one thing more importent then breeding, and that is suvrial. In halo 3 the flood temporilay help you to kill the probhit, the force that, at the time, seemed more darngours. The flood would quickley notices that alone, SW would kill the. Alone that is. They would join the halo halo army. It is true that stromtroopers are much better then how they appear in the movie, but I don’t think they = a elite. The SW army does outnumber halos army by alot (at least 100 to 1) but the covent outnumberd the humans to. Plus you should not count out the sentials in a defence plan, because there only goal is to defend halo. Another factor would be ewho is attacking who. If SW is attacking halo, the Jedi probley woud not help because it would be a unnessary lose of life. If being attacked, the Jedi would have no choice but to become involed. One after thought. Rember that slim chance of halo winning? Mc is extermly luckey, proven by all facts. So his lyck may come into play.
    Sorry for spelling, as always.

  65. Onesidedfight September 28, 2008 at 10:20 pm -      #65

    oh, here is the % break up:
    Sw winnin: 75%
    Tie: 5%
    Halo wining: 20%
    A tie would be a treaty or everyone dies.

  66. AlphaCommando September 29, 2008 at 12:25 am -      #66

    Problem with any “Grunts make cannon fodder” argument is that there are more Stormtroopers than Grunts…and a single Stormtrooper is worth far more than a Grunt, so that argument is nullified….plus you got AT-ATs, AT-STs, Centurion Tanks, Fighter tanks, The Grandfather gun, E-WEBs, Dark Troopers, Storm Commandos, the list goes on…most of it unit for unit worth than its Halo equivalent, and then there are more numbers on the Halo side by a considerable deal.

    As for space combat…well an Imperial battlegroup could probably suppress and entire Covenant fleet. The heaviest weapons on Covie ships is the energy projector, which has a range of 500,000 kilometers (which makes them more accurate and powerful than an MAC), and is able to drop the shields on another Covie destroyer (not a Capital ship) in one hit. Most ships can mount no more than say a dozen of them (even the biggest ships have only 12) and each shot drains the power of the ship considerably (to the point that you might get a shot off every minute, and the 12 emplacements are there only for coverage). Star Wars turbolasers (of which the Star Destroyers have a massive payload of, including 8 octuple heavy turbolasers) have a range in the light minutes (17,987,547 kilometers per LM) and while they may not do as much damage; typically have two barrels firing every one second….And Imperial shielding I’m sure could probably take several energy projector shots. And the MAC guns, and human weapons in general aren’t even worth stating; Humans weapons are far less than Covie weapons which are far less than Star Wars payloads. Also if we are assuming that humans and the Covies are working together, then the Rebels, Empire, Jedi, and even Sith are working together…this plugs the fighter thing full of holes and adds even more to the space engagements and land engagements one-sideness. TIE > Banshee, X-Wing > Seraph…..

    And as for the flood, even assuming that they where willing to help the Haloers instead of taking of advantage of the war to consume more bodies, they could be quarantined fairly fast by the Imperials or even the Rebels (there have been catastrophic virus outbreaks in Star wars before that consumed entire planets but where unable to get off world due to blockades).

    So in all: Without the Flood; Halo would be leveled in seconds; with the Flood, Halo would be leveled in seconds, then there would be a purge of infected worlds.

  67. L-W September 29, 2008 at 12:50 am -      #67

    “Never lose yourself to the winds of chance, lest you lose all your battles” – Sun Tzu

    “The SW army does outnumber halos army by alot (at least 100 to 1) but the covent outnumberd the humans to.”

    Nowhere near that ratio.

    The Covenant themselves are only a composition of several different species, each totaling to possibly just over several billion each, the Humans likewise are only good for another ten billion or so (Post Halo 3: Just over a billion).
    The Star Wars universe is composed of over a hundread sentient Imperial species, each inhabiting multiple Planets over the span of multiple galaxies, we’re talking about numbers in the hundreads of trillions, numbers that vastly outweigh ANYTHING in either the Human and Covenant empires.

    The Imperial Fleet ALONE (Not counting the other races or Empires in the multiple Galaxies) fields billions of Human Troops, with multiple classifications and troop designations. Millions of Spec-Ops units, a countless armada of Air and Heavy Armour units and billion more non-human species. Round this off with TRILLIONS of Droids and you have a non-conscripted Military (These are all professional hardcore troops, no militia) that already outnumbers the entire population of the entire Halo Civilian and Military population.

    The Empire ALONE. If full blow conscription ever became an option they could just as easily crush entire Planets by just all standing on its surface at the same time.

    This is what I mean by numbers and resources. It’s all well and good having Elites and Brutes do the fighting, but when the enemy can bring several Galaxies worth of resources to your doorstep, you’re toast.

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    -
    -

    Let me put this in perspective. The Combine covenant and Human Empires control a quarter (1/4) of the Orion Galactic arm, one of the seven arms in the Galaxy. We’re talking about a very minor percentage of the total space.

    The Galactic Empire alone controls by themselves an entire Galaxy. But there are mutliple other Galaxies out there under control by other species and Empires of the same Star Wars universe.

    That’s the logical equivelant of the entire US Armed forces fighting ONE kid with a rock. Sure, the kid might throw a stone and crack the windshield of a humvee, or hurt a single soldier with a rock to the face, but the Army has to only breathe and that little pesky kid is dead meat.

    “The flood would quickley notices that alone, SW would kill the. Alone that is. They would join the halo halo army”

    IF the best you can hope for is a hollow Phyrric victory, then you’ve just fought the wrong battle.

    “Another factor would be ewho is attacking who. If SW is attacking halo, the Jedi probley woud not help because it would be a unnessary lose of life. If being attacked, the Jedi would have no choice but to become involed.”

    The Jedi are an installed Military division, with the council being promoted as Generals in combat. They’ve been fighting wars for millenia and the minor issue of declaring war would not be a problem, since they’ve done it countless times before when necessary.

    “WRONG! grunts though cannon fodder would still rip threw storm troopers and rebels…because
    one:
    they reproduce really quickly!”

    And? The Star Forge Imperial factory can replicate Billions of Droids within several hours of each other. Several months to produce a Grunt litter does not compare to the thousand Droids produced every second. If your plan hinges on Grunts, then you’ve lost already, you just don’t know it yet.

    Heck, even Clone Troopers can be replicated with the speed of a Grunt and they are on average far superior combatants with instilled training. Your average Grunt runs away after hearing the first shot.

    Honestly Swifterdeath, you’ve made no real points. When you wish to discuss in future please validate your ‘points’ with evidence or at least some coherency.

  68. AlphaCommando September 29, 2008 at 2:08 am -      #68

    Haven’t you noticed that most of the people arguing for Halo; have horrible spelling, grammar, and put no facts toward their cause? Maybe there is a connection with that….

    Anyway, this argument is hopeless for the Haloers, it’s basic strategic math….

  69. hotshot September 29, 2008 at 11:08 am -      #69

    and now about the battle ,it’s indeed true that the star forge can produce billions of droids it’s a very big advantage but don’t forget the sentinels on halo ore other forunner planets,the forunners produce many sentinels ,on the planet onyx there are trillions of them ,and now a question someon told me that the star forge could change time but i don’t believe it ,i checked wookiepedia and it does not prove to be .

    A longsword fighter would defeat an x-wing

    Before the human-covenat war the complete galaxy is under control of the forunners , like the empire .The empire has rulled the galaxy like the old roman empire .The forunners even had t

  70. hotshot September 29, 2008 at 11:19 am -      #70

    O h sorry

    The forunners even might have expaned their empire outside the galaxy because the ark is outside the galaxy and before the activation of the ring there were other civilions before being killed by the flood.And the forunners had a massive army without counting the sentinels.In a ground battle with star wars armys,the flood would infect troopers and they are going to be combat forms so the flood armys always grow and grow

  71. hitman8 September 29, 2008 at 4:45 pm -      #71

    ok fackpile admin :arrow: . you need to say if the fight is as if all the species are at their prime or as the universe is now story wise if you can tell us it would make the arguements go alot better and quicker and i think you should just put all posts in a list and not include pictures it would be a lot better navagation wise and alot easyer to get to some thing lets say if your computer is slow like mine. please respond. :mrgreen:

  72. Onesidedfight September 29, 2008 at 5:27 pm -      #72

    You are right L-W, but then avian, the siths would help, but do you think that they would not think ahead, thinking “if I don’t help as much as them, I won’t die, and then I can kill the rest” this is basically what the flood would think, but the covent could glass infected worlds, or basiclley avodie them all together. And the flood are actually very stealh based in there take overs, intill they don’t need to be how ever. And yes, true the covenet didn’t have 100 to 1 odds, but had better wepones and ships by alot. Plus, an elite is suppoed to be as strong, if not stronger then an elite. Another thing. Cortna was able to upgrad a covenet ship’s guns in a short amount of time, so what saying that they coud not upgrad everything. Don’t get me worng, SW probley would win, but halo has a chance.
    P.S my spelling sucks because I have to use my ithouch to type because my cp broke

  73. admin September 29, 2008 at 5:31 pm -      #73

    For this discussion, all cannon can be used – books, movies, games, whatever!

  74. AlphaCommando September 29, 2008 at 6:29 pm -      #74

    A longsword is a clunky, oversized fighter that makes a huge target and is far less nimble than an X-Wing, combined with the fact that is has no shielding and can be taken down by banshees in a few bursts of their plasma cannons make it woefully worse than an X-wing….

    And yet again with “teh fl00d infectzors everything!”, ever heard of quarantine? Sure you may loose a planet or a few, but if you do you burn them down to the last atom, there are no more flood. You’re assuming that not only do the flood start out on the ground, but also that they start out on multiple planets, all you would need to do is pop an Interdictior Cruiser in orbit, then bathe said planet in turbolaser strikes. And that is with a Gravemind, pre-Gravemind flood are pitiful simpletons incapable of a major threat on a galactic scale. And if a Gravemind became a serious enough threat I’m sure that the Empire would have it neutralized.

    I won’t say that Halo has a chance because it just can’t compare on a resource level, however; it has a chance to crack a few heads, just that there about a trillion more heads….And if we are talking all cannon then you might be able to throw in some of the Forunners machines, but you still loose even worse because then you can throw all forces in Star Wars that ever existed, The Sith Empire, Imperials, The Legacy era Imperials, Old Republic (the old , old stuff), New Republic, Rebels, Jedi Orders (all the ones ever), The New Sith Order (all that Darth Karyt stuff), The Grand Army of the Republic, The CIS, The Hapan Consortium, The Yuuzhan Vong, Imperial Remnant, The Infinite Empire,The Kwa, and the countless self defense systems of every other small empire, company, and planetary system to have ever existed….and I’m sure I forgot some stuff in there somewhere. All the Halo Universe has in one Empire, a mindless parasite, the human UNSC, and the Covenant (the last two of which occupy one percent of total Star Wars territory).

    In other words complete raep….

  75. L-W September 29, 2008 at 10:40 pm -      #75

    “You are right L-W, but then avian, the siths would help, but do you think that they would not think ahead, thinking “if I don’t help as much as them, I won’t die, and then I can kill the rest” this is basically what the flood would think, but the covent could glass infected worlds, or basiclley avodie them all together.”

    There is a difference between the sith and the Flood, a VAST difference. Whereas the Sith are a naturally violent people, they still maintain order and delegation; Sith society is still just that, a society. They have rules, order, economy and a functioning Government. If the Sith ever seized control after the war in a coup de tate, the only difference would be the absence of the Jedi and the Republic.

    Whereas the Flood race is a demonic parasite, their only purpose is to mindlessly consume everything in their path, Organic or otherwise. They have no limitations and a Flood victory, however unlikely, would kill everything else in the Halo universe:

    Everything. That’s the definition of a Pyhrric victory.

    “Plus, an elite is suppoed to be as strong, if not stronger then an elite.”

    What?

    “but had better wepones and ships by alot”

    Nope, despite appearing archaic in comparison to their more Aesthetic Covenant counterparts, the Imperial Cruiser is a far more powerful vessel, with advanced energy shielding that nullifies energy based attacks and a full arsenal of Chemical, nuclear, fusion and kinetic based ordinance. A single salvo from the Proton canon of an Imperial Cruiser is enough to destroy the surface of a Planet in a single shot, or crack a ship in half in one clean hit. Which is why they have no need to engage in ground combat. Heck, they could wipe out entire Planets without never even seeing it first.

    Plus the Covenant method of glassing is incredibly slow, taking several hours and requiring a fleet to accomplish. A single Star Destroyer could glass a Planet with a single burst of Plasma from great distances. They could even ignite entire star systems by causing the sun to go Supernova with a single nova bomb. The Covenant technology is in comparison, primitive to what SW yields.

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    Why are so many people here convinced that there will be ground engagements? There is nothing in the Halo galaxy that the SW troops need, there are no points of interest or any specific terrestrial targets that the Imperial troops need to capture intact.

    The only thing they’ll be concerned with is consuming Planets for resources; and that can be done when they’ve scoured the Planet of all life from orbit berforehand. Everything else will be naval engagements, with the inferior Covenant fleet constantly losing ground.

  76. Onesidedfight September 29, 2008 at 10:42 pm -      #76

    OMG did adiam just post, or was that someone else?

  77. AlphaCommando September 30, 2008 at 5:43 am -      #77

    Wait, L-W, wasn’t the Proton beam mounted only on the Accuser prototype? And even this is was strictly anti-capital ship, not an uber beam…..And the Imperial Cruiser was another name for the smaller SSD, so there where only a few built during the Imperial reign….None the less, SW weapon payloads would whip a Covie Assault Carrier to scrap in a few short minutes…And you still have the hundred other SD variants, including my personal favorite; The Allegiance Class SSD, it’s so cool looking with that sloped armor…..

  78. L-W October 1, 2008 at 12:51 am -      #78

    You are very right AlphaCommando, thank you for reminding me.

    Either way, the standard ordinance of the Imperial Battleship is extremely potent; and can devastate anything from a Capital Ship to a Planet. Even an amassed Halo fleet would be scorched by Huperdrive rounds, rounds that can be fired into Hyperspace and hit almost any target with unwavering accuracy.

  79. Onesidedfight October 1, 2008 at 3:46 pm -      #79

    ok L-W here is what I ment:
    An elite is as strong or stronger then a spartin.
    I ment the covenet had stronger wepones then the humans in halo.
    And my flood statment was flawed, but I still think halo could just avoid that part of the gaxley, and come back later to glass the plant. Or the flood would eat themselfs to death.

  80. L-W October 1, 2008 at 8:51 pm -      #80

    But the Flood are known for amassing and adapting foreign technology on their own behalf. If the Flood had access to weapons, they take them and use them. If they had access to Transport, they ride it. And if the Flood were given access to Star Ships, they’ll fly them to the next Planetary body.

    If the Flood were to take over the SW universe (Not that I’m saying they can), they would have enough Hosts, Weapons and Ship Transports to invade every part of the Halo Galaxy and more with extreme prejudice. There is no way the Halo universe could survive that assault in any way shape or form.

    But when it comes to glassing, the SW universe wins out here.

  81. hotshot October 2, 2008 at 10:41 am -      #81

    But if the flood would atack the sw universe with a fleet like in the forunner-flood war,than the same would happen

  82. AlphaCommando October 2, 2008 at 3:19 pm -      #82

    However, that is assuming that they start with that fleet and with the current “rules” of the debate, they wouldn’t.

    And actually one of the only reasons that the Forerunners had to activate the rungs was because Bias became a traitor, he was designed to out-smart and destroy the flood fleets; something which I’m sure he would have done). And the SW universe is probably much more militarized than what the Forunners where at, millennia of near non-stop warfare (with enough recovery periods) has a tendency to make you more powerful than an unchallenged super empire….And then it comes down to that if the Flood get their fleet, then the SW universe gets every army to have existed and that goes back up to my list a few posts above (which is absolutely massive to the point of ludicrously)

  83. hotshot October 3, 2008 at 4:01 am -      #83

    On the ground the flood would defently win but sw would hold them of in space but the floods would overwhelm them

  84. hotshot October 3, 2008 at 4:04 am -      #84

    On high charity when it became a flood hive,there where billions of floods,imagin a galaxy full of floods

  85. hotshot October 3, 2008 at 4:05 am -      #85

    They would simply overwhelm the sw galaxy

  86. hotshot October 3, 2008 at 4:51 am -      #86

    When an infection form gain control over a host, an example a imperial officer ,the infection form would receive all information of the infected person, like the location of sw planets locations, techonlogi,plans,weapons….The flood would know everyting about sw even maybe the force like a combat form of a jedi

  87. mandalorian October 3, 2008 at 9:02 am -      #87

    the starforge drain the rings endt the floods ar deadt :twisted:

  88. AlphaCommando October 3, 2008 at 7:26 pm -      #88

    Yet again, the Forerunners only lost because Bias defected, and since the Imperials are as powerful or even moreso than the Forerunner empire….the Imperials would emerge victorious. And while knowledge is absorbed by the flood it is roughly incomplete, I never remember the flood constructing plasma weapons, they merely know how to use stuff, not real deeply about how it works. And the gratuitous amount of droid infantry in the SW universe would also be a blow to the floods fighting abilities…

  89. L-W October 3, 2008 at 9:52 pm -      #89

    Exactly, the Flood only attain a basic understanding of tool usage; and that usually devovlves itself to the point of simply pointing and clicking. They seem to lack the finesse of accuracy, marksmanship or maintaining the relative combat effectiveness of that tool in question.

    Forget deploying Droids, they could simply activate the Kwa gates and launch the entire Flood infection into infinity. Good luck trying to infect other Planets when you’ve been bansihed into nothingness.

    Unlike the Forerunners, there would be few willing to kill themselves to defeat the Flood. Heck, just your standard trade blockade would be enough to starve out the Flood; and don’t even get me started on the area denial weapons such as Hyperdrive dampeners or the Gravity beam. Once the Flood have landed on a Planet the Imperial Navy have a nearly limitless set of options when it comes to removing them…

    …And in Space, the Flood would be nothing more than good target practice.

  90. AlphaCommando October 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm -      #90

    Very, very true. All good points. The warlike SW universe just has more options than the peaceful universe the Forerunners lived in ever had.

  91. mandalorian October 4, 2008 at 5:35 am -      #91

    I have a question L-W ,mandalorian says that the star forge would take energy from the rings in order to take over the power of a halo ring but thats impossible you need an index to activat and halo isn’t a star

  92. L-W October 4, 2008 at 8:19 pm -      #92

    All matter contains energy, whether stored, potential or chemical; the atom is basically just a conduit for electro-magnetism which maintains the structure of the Proton and Electron particles found in all matter that orbit the nucleus.

    Whether or not the Halo requires activation is null and void, the fact that the Ring CAN generate so much energy just displays how much potential fissile material is in the Ring; and can be potentially absorbed and broken down. Take the Forerunner constructs for example, the cores of energy that are regularly launched into the centre of the Ring world, what of the Sentinel bases where vast Armies of AI’s operate daily? What of the self-repairing facilities?

    It is apparent that there is already energy existent inside the Halo, the Star Forge merely has to break down the solid material of the Halo and begin chewing it up. Do you honestly think the Halo could function without some power source maintaining it?

  93. Just A Gamer October 5, 2008 at 12:24 pm -      #93

    Ok, well I’ve been gone for a week on a cruise, so I’m still catching up, but I just read a comment that said a Banshee could take out a Longsword fighter. I don’t know where your heard this, but you are sorely mistaken. It is a nimble, sleek, and incredibly fast ship, not to mention the fact that its armed with multiple homing nuclear weapons. It would have no problem handling an attack from a squad of X-wings and Tie fighters. Sorry to burst your bubble there bub Not even a Seraph *the covenant equivalent* could take out a Longsword one on one.

  94. L-W October 5, 2008 at 10:15 pm -      #94

    And as we’ve addressed the Covenant are inferior to Empire forces.

    I’m looking at the C709 Longsword schematics at this very second and to be honest, from the point of view of an engineer, it meets none of the criteria that you mention. I would say that it makes an excellent long range fighter; and it certainly fits the bill as a high speed stealth bomber (With the B2 Stealth Bomber wingtip), but it sleek and nimble? Not likely.

    Notice the VTOL lift capacity and the thickness of the aft wings in comparison to the Cockpit which lies directly in the centre, this is exactly what prevents high speed turns in combat and why it would not make a great multi-purpose fighter. Bomber, yes, fighter, no. Also the wingtip for some reason arcs upwards from back to front at a ridiculous angle, this ultimately only goes to slow down the entire craft and any high speed manuvers would put unecessary stress on the hull of the ship, perhaps even splitting it down the uneven keel (Which is a lot thinner than along the cockpit).

    Also with the MASSIVE 79 metre wingspan this thing is one giant flying target, with no apparent means of generating chaff or other Anti-Aerial counter measures this thing would be prone to homing devices, such as the aft proton guns of the X-Wings or Imperial Tie-fighter, that can turn corners mid-flight. This thing was designed to engage large craft such as the Seraph (Approx 35 metres in length) where large guided ordinance makes a difference, it is not to be denied that this thing would make for a formidable bomber.

    It certainly looks impressive, but the sheer surface area of this craft would simply go against it in combat against more nimble combat platforms. The tiny 5 metre TIE Fighter, with the ability to perform intra atmospheric VTOL manuveres without losing inertia and even halt totally in mid-flight without damaging the hull is simply too nimble. It can even exceed Mach 5 and bypass the Prandtl-Glauert singularity effect that prevents most ships from bypassing the sound barrier safely without suffering the ill effects or extreme turbulence.

    Combine this with the Hyperdrive unit and the TIE Fighter proves what a true nimble fighting platform is. Just one TIE is enough to probably confuse a heck of a lot of the clumsier Longswords in a dog fight. This is like a C-130 Super Fortress Dog Fighting with an F-22 Raptor, sure the C-130 has a lot of Firepower, but when it comes to speed and maneuver room the smaller F-22 simply outperforms.

    This is exactly like the Battle of Britain; despite being outnumbered and outgunned by the larger and more aggressive firepower of the German ME 109, the Spitfire was smaller and faster, it could pull turns that the German Pilots would be killed trying. It never needed the bombs in the fuselage or the Anti-Ship capabilities of the BF 109′s, it only needed to be a long range fighter; and that’s why it succeeded.

    But I will admit that the X-Wing is a poor combat platform. Which is why only the underfunded Rebel forces use them in comabt, which only represents 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001^2% of the total margin of Star Wars interceptors and fighters.

  95. AlphaCommando October 6, 2008 at 12:00 am -      #95

    The Longsword can be armed with one Shiva nuke, and even then the ship can’t escape the blast of the weapon and thus is used as a kamikaze. The Seraph is considered superior except in the case of a veteran pilot in the Longsword where it might stand a chance one-on-one. And arguably with the superior tech of the SW universe, the Longsword would be outclassed in virtually every way except frontal armament, and the large fighter would be severely crippled against the tiny, fast fighters of the SW universe, who; with shields would arguably have superior “armor”…

  96. AlphaCommando October 6, 2008 at 1:22 am -      #96

    And now that I see L-Ws post he just explained it out like a mother. And as an engineering grad student, I have to agree with everything he has just said, added with my statements above. However; the X-Wing is meant to have the same relative abilities as the TIE, just slightly slower and less maneuverable, but has far, far heavier armor, torpedoes, shields and a personal hyperdrive….It don’t understand why you say it is a poor platform, sure its not perfect but it was derived from an advanced prototype that was so good that the empire was very angry when it fell into the hands of the Rebels. Also, the TIE and X-Wing don’t have aft guns…

    I was gonna say something else but i forgot…ah well….

  97. Galen Marek October 6, 2008 at 1:52 am -      #97

    Hey everyone I have a question for all of you, Who do you think would win the fight . Starkiller(Darth Vader’s Secret Apprentice) vs MC, I really want to find out but I don’t think many people have even noticed that the battle between them is all ready underway. Can you guys look into that, I think that would be a good fight and a great discussion.

  98. L-W October 6, 2008 at 4:07 am -      #98

    I was just thinking aloud about the old Mark II’s. Those things were terrible atmospheric fighters as the distance from the nose cone to the cockpit was too far, meaning the platform would go nuts at the sharpest of turns.

    But now that I think about the modified Rebel X-Wing, you are right, they shortened the distance giving it more control in atmospheric combat and allowing the pilot to retain inertia in dog fights. Also I should have mentioned the modified fuselage mentioned in the novels that gave both fighters the added aft guns I neglected to detail in my previous post. Although neither upgrade was mass produced therefore contributing little to the overall war effort, I just thought it was worth mentioning.

    Although I’m rather hesitant about the role of the Rebellion in this affair; they may be scrappy and tough as nails, but the Empire alone can contribute all the manpower themselves to win this war. I just feel they may get a little left out once the Empire drops a searing mass tonnage of Plasma upon every Halo planet and installation within the space of a few hours. In fact I fear the Empire would have all the fun in this one, racing to every other Planet whilst leaving a scorch mark on every nearby moon that reads:

    “Sorry there guys, too slow”

  99. L-W October 6, 2008 at 4:19 am -      #99

    I’d just thought I’d add from the previous post something I thought was pretty funny.

    Can you imagine a small group of TIE fighters playing cat and mouse with the Longsword formations? The only thing they could hope to do is perhaps lodge one of the TIE fighters in the Exhaust port and crush it, because there is certainly no way they could hit one whilst it runs circles around it out of weapons range.

    They would have better luck landing and taking shots at the Imperials with their sidearms ;)

    Think of a Swarm of Hornets attacking a blind, limbless man. That’s how I percieve it to act out.

  100. hotshot October 6, 2008 at 11:46 am -      #100

    Well it’s indeed an easy target and has no shields but it has many firepower,like dropping bombs

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