Star Trek Vs Star Wars

Star Trek Vs Star Wars

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Well here we have easily the two most popular science fiction universes finally matched up against each other. For this battle, all races and deities are available for each side. This fight splits the known universe equally down the middle with each side having their forces entirely on their half.

Which side wins?

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5,114 Comments on "Star Trek Vs Star Wars"

  1. hotshot December 25, 2009 at 1:45 pm -      #1

    Star wars wins with ease.

    -Yuuzhan vong,the force,galactic empire,star forge,….

  2. The Imperfect Man December 25, 2009 at 2:10 pm -      #2

    I see Star Wars winning this easily, unless someone can make a good argument
    for Star Trek like the Q.

  3. Kenny C. December 25, 2009 at 2:21 pm -      #3

    Oh god……fanboys unite!

  4. Omega-88 December 25, 2009 at 3:15 pm -      #4

    if star wars has won against halo then sw will win against st easily.

  5. Asger December 25, 2009 at 4:01 pm -      #5

    I’ve never watched Star Trek, but if it’s true that they have an entire species of reality warping beings, then I don’t think this is as clean-cut as you think.

  6. Master G December 25, 2009 at 4:22 pm -      #6

    Its seems that star wars takes it because of their size,diversity,and sear agresion. Not to mention the forces amazing abilitys and super star destroyers such as the Eclipse.

  7. Master G December 25, 2009 at 4:23 pm -      #7

    sorry wroung e-mail on that comment.use this one.

  8. Battra Boy December 25, 2009 at 5:05 pm -      #8

    You underestimate the Star Trek universe, for they do have an awful lot of races uniting;

    Aaamazzarite
    Acamarian
    Aenar
    Akaali
    Akritirian
    Aksani
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    And of course the awesomeness that is James.T.Kirk.

  9. The One Sin December 25, 2009 at 5:10 pm -      #9

    No…………we can’t do this here……….

  10. Battra Boy December 25, 2009 at 5:23 pm -      #10

    Why isn’t my mahussive comment about all the star trek races being posted!?

  11. Megaraptor18 December 25, 2009 at 6:16 pm -      #11

    All of those races but sadly for them the Empire alone is larger than all of them put to gather. Star Wars ships and weaponry for superior to ST.

  12. OriginalA December 25, 2009 at 6:30 pm -      #12

    The Q could potentially mess things up for Star Wars. I mean they are a near-omnipotent race that can travel through time with a mere hand gesture and they can teleport others half way accross the galaxy. That said for some reason they fear to Borg, so obviously they aren’t all powerful, and Voyager dumbed them down a bit to the point that the Voyager crew could mix it up with them and not get totally ROFLstomped. It might be possible for the Star Wars beings to take down the Q, but that might only be possible if the Q are total idiots, which knowning Trek, they probably will be.

  13. shaun182 December 25, 2009 at 6:36 pm -      #13

    ground and space combat goes to star wars, but the q snap their fingers and make every planet, ship and individual in SW side disappear or anything else they want.

  14. AHEM December 25, 2009 at 6:57 pm -      #14

    I give this one to Star Wars. Aside from the Q, there really isn’t anything in Star Trek that could stand up to the kind of firepower in the SW universe. The figures on the ships, such as Slave-I vs. Enterprise, clearly spell out a massive string of naval victories for Star Wars.

  15. L-W December 25, 2009 at 7:41 pm -      #15

    Since the Star Wars uber deities are mostly myth, conjecture or have only been witnessed a handful of times throughout the legacy, I have to give this to the side who can regularly field their own demigods on a near episodic basis.

    Although I would refrain from referring to Q as an omnipotent being.

  16. Locutus December 25, 2009 at 8:01 pm -      #16

    All races and deities are available for each side. – Admin

    Easy win for Star Trek. The Douwd get pissed off and instantly wipe out entire Star Wars species. Q puts the Star Wars side of the universe in a snow globe and lulz all the way home. Probably gives it to Picard as a gift to put on his ready room desk.

    “That said for some reason they fear to Borg, so obviously they aren’t all powerful, and Voyager dumbed them down a bit to the point that the Voyager crew could mix it up with them and not get totally ROFLstomped. It might be possible for the Star Wars beings to take down the Q”

    Wrong.

  17. Kenny C. December 25, 2009 at 10:55 pm -      #17

    This is why I hate fights with beings on godlike levels… oh well, at least I knew the outcome when I saw the match, Star Trek for the God win. Damnit.

  18. The Imperfect Man December 26, 2009 at 12:44 am -      #18

    Well, there are some rather unusual beings in Star Wars.
    Here’s the following with the links for more of their description.

    1. Waru: A trans-dimesional being, who could anything it wished and was key to
    a plot by an Imperial Dark-Jedi to know the full knowledge of the Force.
    Its true intentions were to return to its home.
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Waru

    2. The Celestials: Mysterious beings predating the Old Republic known to a created the Maw and shifted many planets to their current position. However, there is too little information to be
    described exactly. Perhaps, there are the Rakata, another precursor race from the famous KOTOR game.
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celestials

    3. The Abominor and the Silentium: extragalactic droid species known to be in war with each other
    until they were driven out by the galaxy’s organic species. Rumored to be from the Yuuzhan Vong’s galaxy and the source of their technophobia
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abominor
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Silentium

    4. Kwa: Heard Factpilers mention this races for their ability to use Infinity Gates.
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kwa

    5. Fate of the Jedi Force-sensitive groups or persons, in particular: Aing-Tii monk, Mind Walkers, Hidden Ones, Dathomiri Witches(mentioned a lot before the series), Abeloth, Lost Tribe of the Sith
    Note: Since the series is not yet finished, the full description of some of these beings has not yet
    come to light as well as the chance to show more beings.
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lost_Tribe_of_Sith
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mind_Walkers
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aing-Tii
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Witches_of_Dathomir
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Ones
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abeloth

    Note: This does not guarantee that this will cause any shifts in the debate; the purpose is to show
    there are beings the are indeed unique

  19. The Imperfect Man December 26, 2009 at 12:48 am -      #19

    Goddammit. My comment did not appear.
    I won’t bother doing the whole thing again; someone may counter it easily anyway.

  20. _1538 December 26, 2009 at 1:17 am -      #20

    wait, wait, if I remeber Star Trek lazers shoot longer and not in short burst like Star Wars lazers do and the hand held lazers of Star Trek can vaporize in one shot at full power.

    is Star Wars tech that much better?

  21. The Imperfect Man December 26, 2009 at 1:23 am -      #21

    Its unknown whether the Force itself is a sentient entity. At least, we know the Q are near-omniscient entities. However, Star Wars is known to be more mysterious, when comes to super-beings
    and deities. At least, we know the high beings of Star Trek and the deities of Warhammer exist.

  22. The Imperfect Man December 26, 2009 at 1:24 am -      #22

    If Star Wars is clearly confirmed to have deities, whole debates in Factpile would change significantly. But as of now, it is not the case.

  23. L-W December 26, 2009 at 2:07 am -      #23

    1) “wait, wait, if I remeber Star Trek lazers shoot longer and not in short burst”

    Duration does not count when quantifying output unless previously stated. In this case Phasers are known to produce less than kiloton levels of firepower for each second AT BEST, whereas even light turbolasers can produce one to ten megaton levels of energy in 1/15th second bursts (the larger turrets can produce anywhere between teratons to zettatons of destructive energy).

    2) “held lazers of Star Trek can vaporize in one shot at full power.”

    No they don’t.

    3) “is Star Wars tech that much better?”

    There’s generally a few Federation technologies that Imperial era Star Wars has yet to develop and understand (or simply cannot due to physical constraints); but they have plenty of other technologies that would cause the science officers of the Federation to have seizures, especially in the fields of FTL, communications, engineering, power generation, shielding, material science, gravitic fields, cloaking, planetary destruction and weaponry.

  24. Omega-88 December 26, 2009 at 10:43 am -      #24

    sw ships shoot too long lazers.SW WINS.

  25. Fooby December 27, 2009 at 2:47 pm -      #25

    FANBOYS UNITE!!!!
    starwars would win, though the borg may give the starwars galaxy some trouble

  26. Kenny C. December 27, 2009 at 3:19 pm -      #26

    The above two posts amuse me greatly.

  27. Megaraptor18 December 27, 2009 at 3:23 pm -      #27

    “though the borg may give the starwars galaxy some trouble”

    NO the Borg are weak when compared against the Empire. If we removed the Q than this would be a one sided fight in Star Wars’ favor.

  28. Megaraptor18 December 27, 2009 at 3:25 pm -      #28

    Edit

    No the Borg are weak when compared against the Empire so they want give anyone any trouble.

  29. Anti_Halo_Fan_Boy December 27, 2009 at 6:23 pm -      #29

    Admin when did Zach recommend this post?
    I also put forward the idea 4 months ago.

  30. Skrunks December 28, 2009 at 3:19 am -      #30

    “NO the Borg are weak when compared against the Empire. If we removed the Q than this would be a one sided fight in Star Wars’ favor.”

    It only takes 9 out of millions of Species 8472 Bioships to blow up a planet, with which they can fire at ranges of millions of kilometers with a charge time of only a few minutes. Bye bye Death Star. Bye bye Eclipse. Bye bye Executor. Bye Bye anything silly enough to be near a planet when they warp in. If I recall, in the end of Scoripion Part I, it takes a whole of a couple minutes for 8472 to open a singularity, appear, blast the planet into a bagillion pieces and disappear again. What’s that? Planetary shields you say? How bout stacking 100 of those planet busting beams on a single planet. Each beam would have to have an output of 2.2x10e32 joules, anything in their way would be pretty much boned.

    Or how bout the Sphere Builders? Capable of breaking down the laws of physics and reconfiguring the very space itself. And I’m sure V’Ger would turn the Star Wars Galaxy into a nice tasty digital recording.

  31. Axalon December 28, 2009 at 12:19 pm -      #31

    Star Trek would win this one easily. Most people, when they think of Wars vs Trek, think of the Empire vs the Federation. Good for them, but that’s the Galactic Empire vs the United Federation of Planets, and isn’t truly Star Wars vs Star Trek.

    But since this debate is about EVERYthing in both universes–stormtroopers, Darth Vader, AT-ATs, the Emperor, the Force–all lose if Q sneezed in their general direction. The closest thing Star Wars has that can touch Q is the Force, and even that really isn’t close to the power that a Q has.

    Time travel is just a snap away. Reality-warping? Snap. Transform Darth Vader from a crippled cyborg to a fully healed (and far less cool) human being again? Snap. Blow up the Death Star? Snap. Throw planets loose from their orbit? Snap.

    Star Trek wins on the virtue of Q alone.

  32. The Imperfect Man December 28, 2009 at 1:25 pm -      #32

    Ultimately, you have to consider all things that exist in both Star Wars and Star Trek. I do acknowledge the powers like Q, 8472, and any reality-bending forces, not to mention technological
    achievements that Star Trek has, while Star Wars doesn’t have. However, you take the whole of Star Wars mythos with little merit than it should be. If you really want to convince me, evaluate the whole of the Star Wars timeline to the pre-Republic civilizations tens of thousands of years ago to the Legacy era about a hundred years after the original trilogy. The Force is still a mysterious concept, especially when you consider the things that go on the EU. Don’t forget about comparing the themes, issues, philosophies, and lessons that come from both sides. I’m not belittling Star Trek, but people limit the whole thing to one reason, even though in truth, arguments and reasons will be debated for days until the whole thing can be clearly resolved.

  33. Corran_Star December 28, 2009 at 1:30 pm -      #33

    Star wars tech has similar technology. The Tenloss disruptor rifle vaporizes the target on an atomic level. Other weapons like the ion cannon can be effective against the Borg, as well as all the physical melee and slugthrower weapons available to the star wars universe. Against some problematic species, there is the Gun of Command, which makes a being infinitely cooperative for a reasonable amount of time.

  34. Battra Boy December 28, 2009 at 1:35 pm -      #34

    I see Species 8472 and the Borg working together, strengthening the other race’s shortcomings.

  35. The Imperfect Man December 28, 2009 at 2:06 pm -      #35

    I can’t see my comment here.

  36. Axalon December 28, 2009 at 2:34 pm -      #36

    “Ultimately, you have to consider all things that exist in both Star Wars and Star Trek.”

    I have, and Q stands above what the best of Star Wars has to offer because Star Wars doesn’t have anything to compare against it. Its most powerful Force users (Darth Revan, Anakin Skywalker, Galen Marek; to name a few) and deadliest superweapons (such as the Death Stars, Eclipse and Sun Crushers), while extremely powerful, are on a different level.

    “If you really want to convince me, evaluate the whole of the Star Wars timeline to the pre-Republic civilizations tens of thousands of years ago to the Legacy era about a hundred years after the original trilogy.”

    I’m not quite sure of the point you’re trying to make with this. Yes, Star Wars has a lengthy history, diverse races, all kinds of technologies ranging from bizarre to deadly, but nothing on the scale of Q. All this proves is that many people love Star Wars and keep adding their own ideas to the franchise, which is in no way a bad thing at all.

    “The Force is still a mysterious concept, especially when you consider the things that go on the EU.”

    And the best, most powerful examples of the Force throughout Star Wars history pale in comparison to the powers of Q. The most radical examples of Force usage include creating giant Force Storms, wiping a planet clean of life, being able to reappear as ghosts after death, or cheat death–for a time. And until something comes out in the Expanded Universe that puts the Force on par with Q’s ability to do anything he wants, then that’s all both sides have to work with.

    “Don’t forget about comparing the themes, issues, philosophies, and lessons that come from both sides.”

    But…it isn’t a philosophical debate over whose ideals are better or who best gets their message across to the audience. Its a “What if Star Wars and Star Trek were actively trying to kill each other?” type scenario.

  37. Skrunks December 28, 2009 at 7:22 pm -      #37

    “If you really want to convince me, evaluate the whole of the Star Wars timeline to the pre-Republic civilizations tens of thousands of years ago to the Legacy era about a hundred years after the original trilogy.”

    The higher tier Star Trek ancient civilizations far outstrip the achievements of the ancient Star Wars factions. The Tkon for example spanned the entire galaxy and were capable of constructing/destroying stars on a regular basis. Any Q are capable of traveling to the very beginning of the Universe, and could simply go to the beginning of any Star Wars race and hurl their planet into the nearest star. Star Wars just doesn’t have the punch to take the higher tier Star Trek civilizations.

  38. The Imperfect Man December 28, 2009 at 7:39 pm -      #38

    The Q alone isn’t answer to the debate. This includes all things in the quality of species, powers, characters, technology, etc. and are compared to see what is better than the other in the uniqueness of design, ability, origin, etc. The Q may win when it comes to power, but it is irrelevant, when the comparisons of everything else does not involve them. I see the debate as the battle of all the traits of both genres. Power alone is not the only factor that makes the mythos.

    “And until something comes out in the Expanded Universe that puts the Force on par with Q’s ability to do anything he wants, then that’s all both sides have to work with.”

    Yet, I see the Star Wars mythos has yet to finish completely. There are works yet to be finished to
    reveal the mysteries that are unanswered in the EU, so the finalization is uncertain.

  39. Locutus December 28, 2009 at 11:17 pm -      #39

    “The Q alone isn’t answer to the debate.”
    Yea they are. This debate isn’t about who has the coolest characters or best looking ships. This is one universe fighting another universe to the death. The Q give Star Trek an instant victory.

  40. Kenny C. December 28, 2009 at 11:54 pm -      #40

    T”he Q alone isn’t answer to the debate. This includes all things in the quality of species, powers, characters, technology, etc. and are compared to see what is better than the other in the uniqueness of design, ability, origin, etc. The Q may win when it comes to power, but it is irrelevant, when the comparisons of everything else does not involve them. I see the debate as the battle of all the traits of both genres. Power alone is not the only factor that makes the mythos.”

    – Listen… your new here, so I’ll explain it to ya’. This is a fight… not a debate over which side has a more compelling storyline, mythos, history, etc. Is a drag-out street-fight on a galatic scale, not a debate at a school function.

    The fact that the Q can basically snap their fingers to win the fight, means that Star Trek wins. Thats it. It doesn’t matter how illustrious your history is if a race of beings can erase your existance with a after-thought.

    Nice try though.

  41. The Imperfect Man December 29, 2009 at 12:39 am -      #41

    I apologize. I’ve been a former debater who knows the basics of debate. I never really got over the rules. I did ask for more to see the brawl between the two universes get interesting. I know the Q will win, since the Q’s nature and existance have been CLEARLY shown in Star Trek. I really can’t go arguing with someone with confirmed reality-warping powers, since Star Wars doesn’t really have any confirmed existing super-civilizations or deities except with myth or very little knowledge or evidence shown in canon, and that puts it in a disadvantage with many other sagas. Even though I’m a Star Wars fan, I know when to recognize defeat, especially if I don’t have anything on hand. It does not change my opinion on Star Wars, but I admit at the current events that Star Trek would win this brawl, especially with no plot devices. I’m not frustrated, since Web Rage or trolling would be the last thing I want to do. It’ll just make me more imperfect, as my name states.

  42. Zach January 15, 2010 at 8:47 am -      #42

    “Admin when did Zach recommend this post?
    I also put forward the idea 4 months ago.”

    . You can have some credit too.

  43. The Booker Smith January 18, 2010 at 6:35 pm -      #43

    Ok, so I don’t get yelled at, Q’s kill all SW opponents within 5 minutes. there. now, the real problem I have is “star wars tech is superior to star trek’s”. how do you get that? even star detroyers have blaster thingys, and an older photon torpedo is approximately 50 megatons, and focused to a small area. also, given the massive st universe, and their inventiveness, this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCBwob65Nw doesn’t even give an accurate picture of how the SHIPS own sw ship. also, if I’m not supposed to link to videos, sorry, I didn’t know

  44. Axalon January 18, 2010 at 9:04 pm -      #44

    I hereby nominate Star Trek for the factpile award.

  45. Locutus January 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm -      #45

    That video is great.

    “Is there any nudity? Any nu- aww.”

  46. Corran_Star March 2, 2010 at 12:37 pm -      #46

    I do think that Q gives the Star Trek side an obvious advantage. But you don’t combat him in terms of powers. For beings like that, you attack their mind. You break his mind with Force Spirits, Dark Side ghosts, still living Jedi, Sith who excel at mind manipulation, and the Guns of Command. I would like to see if any (or all of these combined) would bring Q to his knees, and breath life into this debate again.

  47. Omega-88 March 2, 2010 at 1:10 pm -      #47

    Malachors (sry spelling)
    Troemeventien (sry spelling)
    Yuuzhan Vong
    Kwa
    Abominor
    Silentium
    these are extra-galactic species they will kille the powerful empires of st!!

  48. Locutus March 3, 2010 at 8:13 am -      #48

    “I would like to see if any (or all of these combined) would bring Q to his knees”

    I highly doubt a being with an IQ of 2005 would be affected. Either way, there is an entire race of Q, not just one. Star Wars loses.

  49. shaun182 March 3, 2010 at 8:29 am -      #49

    “For beings like that, you attack their mind.”

    the mind of Q is beyond, lower lifeforms comprehension, we can only understand their realm as endless road, so it would be like ant drone trying to attack the mind of human uttely pointless,

    the Q wouldnt even notice the attack if they did, they would think it was funny or sad.

  50. wildcard March 7, 2010 at 4:39 pm -      #50

    This argument is like the marvel/dc fight, not fun. You forget everything else that each of the universes have to offer and why we are fans of it. It’s always easy to say that our god kicks your gods ass. The Force is stronger than Q or the other way around. It doesnt take much thought coming up with an all powerful being. A company just has to say we need an entity that can do anything and everything and throw it into story lines here and there, just so we can say we have the baddest guy in all universes. Don’t care if there is an all powerful being that can fart universes away in a second. Should have a second category for them or just not start this debate. What I want to see and probably what was intended when this comparison came up is everyone having their favorite army on either side and letting the pieces go at it. Borg against Sith,Klingon vs Jedi, star destroyer against bird of prey in one all out super universe battle.

  51. Jubjub March 18, 2010 at 12:30 pm -      #51

    Just because the universes are fighting doesnt mean that the Q would give a crap, i think they’d just sit there and let things work themselves out

  52. Locutus March 18, 2010 at 1:20 pm -      #52

    That’s not how it works. This is all of Star Trek vs all of Star Wars. Q are involved.
    Star Trek has many powerful beings, not just Q. The Douwd can kill entire space-faring species with a thought.

  53. Kitt April 14, 2010 at 5:43 pm -      #53

    Don’t forget the big advantage Trek has over Wars – Star Wars hasn’t seen any real technological advancement in years. Sure, they build bigger ships with, logically, bigger and more potent weapons, but that isn’t true advancement. That’s just upscale.

    Look at the USS Defiant – it packs more power than a Galaxy Class starship into something far more agile, easy to mass produce, and can run with, literally, a five man crew. Throw in the advantage of Ablative Armor Generators, Trans-Phasic Torpedoes, and Transwarp Drive (ala Voyager-Endgame) and you have a ship 1/100th the size of a Star Destroyer that can, quite literally, poke a hole in said SD and fly through said hole before the SD knows wtf hit it.

    Trek is the king of adaptation and of modifying technology to fit their needs – the Rebels come close, and if both sides act as they normally do, you’d have a matchup something like this:

    Rebels, Federation, Romulans, Klingons, Gorn, Cardassians, Ferengi, Hydrans, Lyrans, Andorians, + other allies to the Federation

    vs

    Empire

    vs

    Borg (wildcard)

    vs

    8472

    vs

    ‘Vong

    I mean, hell, SW main advantages lie in their ability to rapidly build ships (and I hate to say it, but they do build ships hella fast)… but imagine if, say, 50 of the best Federation Marines beamed onto the Starforge and captured it… lol! Can you imagine what would happen with Sovereign, Akira, Prometheus, and Defiant class starships pouring out of it daily would do?

  54. Will April 29, 2010 at 11:55 am -      #54

    Using actual canon…star wars loses badly

    Wars ships aren’t fully shielded (at least the larger ones), since everything star destroyer size seems to let fighters right past whatever supposed deflectors they have…and destroy something important. Examples, Ep1 Ani flies right into the hanger of the Droid control ship. Ep3, Ani shoots the unprotected hanger shield generator. Star Wars, the rebel fighters fly right to the Death Star surface. Empire, the Falcon attaches to the star destroyer bridge tower when deflectors are up. Jedi, Awings destroy the Executor shield generator, deflectors come down and the bridge is vulnerable (logical progression of events)

    Wars ships have less range than modern day warships: every battle is “point blank range” even when it’d be logical not to fight at close range, aka in Empire destroying asteroids from long range or you know, in Jedi showing the capital ships shooting at each other before they get into “point blank” range.

    Wars power levels, well since fighters are a threat to capital ships, all the guild books that say otherwise have bad info. So those can be thrown out the window. We’re left with the asteroid scenes from Empire which are highly debatable but give no weapon power advantage to Wars.

    So, Trek ships have better shield coverage, longer weapon range, and weapon power is about equal. Examples: coverage- Nemesis: the Enterprise-E has full shield coverage during battle, weapon range; Range-TNG Ep: The Wounded, Phoenix has a range of more than 100 meters; power-logic is below:

    Equal because sense of destruction is about the same and basically only different for plot devices (also because writers are people that are trying to write a relatable story). Also any additional resources like handbooks really aren’t part of the story so aren’t Canon…so says CBS and Lucas.

    Numbers, well, Wars doesn’t show many ships in Jedi and neither does Trek in say First Contact neither franchise gets a numerical advantage. We know number of planets in either side don’t matter since in Wars, back in the republic days they had no stranding army, or apparently any infrastructure to make one.

    Ships speeds from both sides are plot reliant, so since the plot here is Fight!, they might as well be equal.

    Anyway in reference canon Trek is going to win.

    In my own personal canon where I try to logically make sense of Wars tech…Wars would win

    Of course all the above is sort of redundant as Trek have Q so they win anyway.

  55. Corran_Star May 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm -      #55

    The canon fight again? Honestly, this has been done tens of times. CBS has little say, and Lucas, while the inventor, his opinion as the writer is not as heavy as the official stance taken. The official stance is that all the certified material from Lucas Licensing and in the Continuum holocron is canon. It’s true (and no secret) that Lucas doesn’t like most EU material, but that isn’t the official stance.

    Also, Particle shielding is different from that of ray shielding. Larger objects, like the the Death Star, didn’t have particle shielding, so yeah, you can fly into its surface. But other ships would. And most ships are energy shielded. There is plenty of material to describe it.

    In addition, SW tech does evolve. It went from the frozen blaster all the way to the lightsaber. To the dual phase lightsaber. It went from Generation ships and carbonite subspace travel to the tumbler drive to the Hyper drive. The Star Forge is also a Force Entity and I doubt it would listen to a non-force user. Tech does evolve. The Sun Crusher is a relatively new invention that can ram through the bridge of a star destroyer and fly around undaunted. That triple ply quadranium armor is pretty fancy. And they YVH war droids? That’s a nice scary droid I wouldn’t want to face, what with all its enhancements. Self repairing armor? Yes please. As for the idea that tech was reduced to the Defiant class scale, SW has something similar. The Imperial Fast Frigate has the punch of a victory class star destroyer with the size of a frigate, and the straight-line speed of an X-wing. It’s advanced Tech. Thanks for listening.

  56. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 2:05 am -      #56

    @ Kitt

    LOL

    If you wan’t to compare smaller ships…Defiant vs Suncrusher. PWNED.

    SW tech has gone between using stars to power them, to producing more than stars can in millenia. PWNED.

    LOL 50 feddies in their space jammies? They would get slaughtered, nevermind that said object can defend itself,and needs a force user to operate it. FAIL.

    @Will

    According to Lucasfilm’s canon The empire controls 1.75 million worlds and has millions of colonies, they have an armada of millions of ships at least 25,000 of those are ISD’s. Said ships can cross distances of 120,000 lightyears at their slowest.

    The federation only controls 150 worlds and has thousands of colonies, at their fastest they can cross 75,000 lightyears in 70 years. LOL

    As for the Whole shield thing LOL did you even pay attention to the movie?

    Anakin flew in when they lowered their shields, anakin blew up the landing bay shield generator because the invisible hands shields were DOWN in the firstplace.

    LOL In ROTJ the DSII shields were down when the fighters went in, that and the DSII wasn’t complete either, see what I mean about you not paying attention to the movies? Speaking of not paying attention the A-wings didn’t take down the Executors shields, that was Ackbars fleet. THINK about it, how would could the a-wings destroy the globe if the shields weren’t down in the firstplace?

    LOL ROTJ also proves that The minimum distance fighting between capital ships begins at several thousand KM. The maximum is TESB, from outside the hoth system to hoth.

    Continued….

  57. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 2:25 am -      #57

    Wills shield rant…SNIP…

    Since your example is based on a flawed anology Guess what that means? LOL FAIL.

    LOL the official canon weapons power is 200gt wether you accepted it or not, that’s Lucasfilm’s stance. LOL speaking of shields…the Ent-D shields can be knocked down by 400gw or 95 tons of TNT….even the SW fighter weapons would be more than the ENT-D could handle.

    Will’s Author rant…SNIP…

    LOL Are you serious? Lucasfilm says their books are canon, Lucas Let’s Roffman and Chee head Lucasfilm’s Continuity/canon, Lucas really doesn’t give a flying rats ass about SW that’s why he put those guys in charge they explain and catalogue all of the canon materials(Chee) and explain how things happen/work(roffman). So you can’t dismiss the books because they are in fact canon.

    As for your whole starfighter fallacy, said starfighters are using SW level weapons to damage unshielded vessels so your whole point crumbled like a cookie in milk. :P

    Continued…

  58. Siggymansz June 17, 2010 at 2:43 am -      #58

    “LOL the official canon weapons power is 200gt wether you accepted it or not,”
    ISD IIs put out anywhere between 16.? Teratons and 399.? Terarons Per second……If that isn’t rape i don’t know what is

  59. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 2:50 am -      #59

    These are the stupidest part of the whole thing…
    “Numbers, well, Wars doesn’t show many ships in Jedi and neither does Trek in say First Contact neither franchise gets a numerical advantage. We know number of planets in either side don’t matter since in Wars, back in the republic days they had no stranding army, or apparently any infrastructure to make one.”
    LOL the republic had been at peace for 1000 YEARS, they did have local defense/police forces, and depended on conscripts to form their armies when needed, however the CIS created their troops faster than you could destroy them so they started the cloning processs, again this whole war was led/created by one person manipulating the entire galaxy from the shadows, even then the republic still had millions of star ships in their defense fleets…while the starfleet ships like the first 3 galaxy class required 10 years to build….the republic recived tens of thousands of ships in not millions from Rothna Heavy Engineering and Kuat Drive Yards in a four year period, those were just TWO companies.
    “Ships speeds from both sides are plot reliant, so since the plot here is Fight!, they might as well be equal.”
    Bullshit it took Voyager 70 years to reach the AQ(75K ly), it takes a few hours to a dayto do that with a hyperdrive…so SW vessels are literally millions of times faster than Most trek ships.
    “Anyway in reference canon Trek is going to win.”
    No it’s not and it HAS been proven VARIOUS times.
    “Of course all the above is sort of redundant as Trek have Q so they win anyway.”
    You know I looked that up and it turns out that SW has it’s own Q-like enteties…like the BEDLAM spirits…They claimed they invented time itself, could manipulate time and mass/matter and pretty much did everyting Q was shown to do.
    starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bedlam_Spirits

    So I wouldn’t really call this over…

  60. Siggymansz June 17, 2010 at 2:54 am -      #60

    I would also like to point out that While SW shits allover ST in a fight without Q or anyother universefuckers because the Q are in this fight Star Trek wins in the first second of the battle end of story

  61. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 2:56 am -      #61

    @Siggymansz

    Right that is the Canon number for the medium turbolasers, not the heavy ones located on the upper broadsides of ships like the ISD mkii

    That is beyond rape…..until a correct term is created I will call it….Mr. Moose forcefully rapes Chihuahua… XD

    Trek fantards foaming at the mouth in 3,2,1….

  62. Siggymansz June 17, 2010 at 2:57 am -      #62

    @Blacksun
    didn’t see your post Can you tell me more about these Bedlam?

  63. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 3:00 am -      #63

    @Siggymanz

    Did you read my post? Looks like the answer is no…

    Follow the link Mr. Moose….

  64. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 3:06 am -      #64

    I’ll be back tommorrow, I have to go to work…

    In short the bedlam hve said they created time itself they cand manipulate mass and time itself, they can kill people transform them into things, time travel, revive the dead and seem to be very strong in the force the four mentioned in the article were implied to be children playing with mortals in their sandbox…if they are children…imagine the parents. ;)

  65. Siggymansz June 17, 2010 at 3:06 am -      #65

    Not to sound like an Ass or anything but the link only said

    ” “Merciful Force! Those…those objects are talking to each other. They’re alive…I think.”
    ―Princess Leia Organa[src]

    The Bedlam Spirits inhabited an unidentified planet near the Bedlam Pulsar. During the Galactic Civil War, Princess Leia Organa encountered them while escaping from Imperial troops. The spirits were very powerful beings, capable of manipulating time and mass, but prone to childish behavior. ”

    ……………………The only things that stick out to me are the
    “capable of manipulating time and mass, but prone to childish behavior. ”
    ……but i don’t feel like argueing over semetics right about now

    STAR WARS FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  66. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 3:10 am -      #66

    Right, implying that the Bedlam encountered on said planet were probably children…children of what? We never get to find out. Also the link to the bedlam came from a link in time travel on wookiepedia, there it speaks more about said beings. :D

  67. L-W June 17, 2010 at 4:21 am -      #67

    Did this really become a competition between the United Federation of Planets and the Galactic Empire of all things?

    Please, everyone with even an ounce of common sense knows by now that the Federation would prove as much resistance to the Empire as a Squirrel would to a convoy of trucks on the highway. Firepower, speed, industry, and sheer overwhelming might would prove that at best, the UFP would be a minor footnote on some accounting sheet in some bureaucrats desk.

  68. OriginalA June 17, 2010 at 4:29 am -      #68

    I’m betting local mercs would blast nosey UFP ships out of space before any legitimate government officials could take notice to them.

  69. starsteam June 17, 2010 at 4:40 am -      #69

    But, L-W squirrel girl managed to take down super powered beings with just the power of woodland critters. Nah, but seriously almost anyone can take down star trek without a fight.

  70. Laharl June 17, 2010 at 5:27 am -      #70

    “squirrel girl”..Daammmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnn…
    www.the-isb.com/images/SquirrelGirl04.jpg

  71. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 5:50 am -      #71

    “the four mentioned in the article were implied to be children playing with mortals in their sandbox…if they are children…imagine the parents.”

    That whole thing sounds damn similar to an episode of the Original Series.

    memory-alpha.org/wiki/Trelane

    memory-alpha.org/wiki/Trelane's_parents

    In the end he was only a child playing with some toys. Imagine what his parents can do.

  72. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 6:01 am -      #72

    Ok.. that second link doesn’t work at all for me now. Someone delete the page?

    I’ll just copy paste from what it said.

    “Certain things can be inferred from Trelane’s behavior and conversation he had with his parents. Their civilization evidently possesses incredible technical sophistication; the means to create entire planets, move them around, re-arrange the structure of matter nearly instantly on mental command, reshape environments, generate complex and powerful energy fields are all routine enough to be considered appropriate toys for an immature and spoiled child.”

  73. Cargo June 17, 2010 at 6:03 am -      #73

    Squirrel girl is scary…tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquirrelGirl

    UFP ships are relatively weak, even Star Wars pirates could deal with them.

  74. Laharl June 17, 2010 at 6:08 am -      #74

    “Squirrel girl is scary”..Indeed Mc vs squirrel girl anybody?

  75. Eric Gigliotti June 17, 2010 at 8:46 am -      #75

    “This is why I hate fights with beings on godlike levels… oh well, at least I knew the outcome when I saw the match, Star Trek for the God win. Damnit.”

    Well, as nobody has pointed out yet, Star Wars has their own godlike beings. What about all the Jedi (and a few Sith) who have died, and yet did not? Those who have physically died yet remain conscious in the Force have become, the Force. There, now we have SW godlikes vs ST godlikes. The Force is infinite, no boundaries on what can be done with the Force. The immortals will keep each other in line while the mortals duke it out, SW winning in the end. Then I give my vote to the infinite-powered Jedi and Sith.

    Star Wars for the FP Award.

  76. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 4:38 pm -      #76

    So where is this infinite power the Force users possess? Have they ever created or destroyed timelines/universes? Have they ever erased entire species with a thought? Evidence would be nice.

  77. Eric Gigliotti June 17, 2010 at 4:58 pm -      #77

    “So where is this infinite power the Force users possess? Have they ever created or destroyed timelines/universes? Have they ever erased entire species with a thought? Evidence would be nice.”

    There is no evidence. Jedi do not even kill their prisoners. Revan was the Dark Lord of the Sith. One of the most powerful ever. When they captured him barely alive after his apprentice turned on him, they deleted his memories instead of killing him.

    “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack.” – Yoda
    “Infinite is the Force, an infinite time will it require to learn its secrets.” – Yoda

  78. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 5:02 pm -      #78

    “There is no evidence.”

    Well that’s one hell of an argument you’ve got there….

  79. Eric Gigliotti June 17, 2010 at 5:27 pm -      #79

    We know the Jedi who retain their consciousness literally become the Force, with all its power. The wiki does a horrible job of explaining this. I wish I still had my novelization of Episode III (my cuz has it). So for now, I cant back it up. :(

  80. Zazax June 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm -      #80

    So… basically Wars beats the mortal races of Trek down without breaking a sweat, then the Q realize that something is happening and simply remove Wars from existence?

  81. Eric Gigliotti June 17, 2010 at 5:38 pm -      #81

    “So… basically Wars beats the mortal races of Trek down without breaking a sweat, then the Q realize that something is happening and simply remove Wars from existence?”

    Until I can prove the power of the “dead” Jedi.

  82. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm -      #82

    “We know the Jedi who retain their consciousness literally become the Force”

    Ok. Is there any example of those ghosts actually doing anything significant other than guiding the living? You’re saying that these Force spirits can equal or surpass the abilities of the Q, Douwd, or Trelane’s race. Races that could destroy galaxies or kill entire species with a thought. I don’t think so.

  83. Eric Gigliotti June 17, 2010 at 5:58 pm -      #83

    All I could do is talk until I can get my book. It specifically says they can do anything.

  84. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 6:32 pm -      #84

    LOL the Bedlam spirit children could control not only mass(creating/rearranging matter) but they could manipulate time itself(unlike trelane) they also claimed they created time itself. The extent of the bedlam powers are unknown especially and adults power.

  85. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 6:59 pm -      #85

    It does not say they are children or that there are more of them, only that they were prone to childish behavior.

  86. orpheus12 June 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm -      #86

    “Squirrel girl is scary”..Indeed Mc vs squirrel girl anybody?
    Heh…Squirrel Girl vs Kahrn.
    lol

  87. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 8:15 pm -      #87

    Neither does it say they were the only ones,Again IMPLIED to be children.

    Yeah same can be said about Q and Douwd We’ve only seen one or a handful, that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones.

    Since you claim they’re arent more it’s up to you to provide proof that there aren’t any more than those four.

  88. Negative Zero June 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm -      #88

    I got to go with Star Wars for this match. Mainly because I don’t know much about Star Trek. Plus I doubt Stat Trek has anything that can stand up to a jedi knight or a sith lord.

  89. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 9:36 pm -      #89

    “Yeah same can be said about Q and Douwd We’ve only seen one or a handful, that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones.”

    We know for a fact there is an entire species of Q (hundreds or thousands seen during the Q Civil War) and that they can reproduce.

    The official Star Trek site says this about the Douwd: An immortal > race < of pure energy, capable of creating disguises and false surroundings by manipulating matter and energy instantaneously-as does the one who took human form on Earth under the name of Kevin Uxbridge, later discovered in 2366. Uxbridge carried guilt over the instantenous elimination of the 50-billion Husnock race.

    "Since you claim they’re arent more it’s up to you to provide proof that there aren’t any more than those four."

    Nope, never claimed that. You continue to claim that the Bedlam Spirits are only children and they have parents that are more powerful. I don't see any evidence to support this.

    "Plus I doubt Stat Trek has anything that can stand up to a jedi knight or a sith lord."

    memory-alpha.org/wiki/Powerful_and_godlike_beings

  90. Blacksun2175 June 17, 2010 at 10:05 pm -      #90

    Way to go and misenterpret what I wrote, notice the “that doesn’t mean they’re the only ones.”?

    “Nope, never claimed that”

    Bullshit.

    You wrote: “It does not say they are children or that there are more of them”

    Prove that they are adults, prove they are the only ones. Since you made the asenine claim above the burden of proof is on you.

  91. Locutus June 17, 2010 at 10:57 pm -      #91

    *Facepalm* How is what I said a claim? I was merely pointing out that there is absolutely no evidence for what you are claiming.

    You wrote: “The extent of the bedlam powers are unknown especially and adults power.”

    First prove that there are more, that they Spirits we see are children, and that the adults are more powerful.

  92. Blacksun2175 June 18, 2010 at 12:04 am -      #92

    If the story implies they are children, then they most likely are.

    You said that they were the only ones in your post (#85), before my post (#87) so the burden of proof in still on you, you’re not gonna weasel your way out of that. :P

  93. Locutus June 18, 2010 at 2:40 am -      #93

    Or they are simply prone to childish behavior.

    “You said that they were the only ones in your post (#85)”

    This is my post:

    “It does not say they are children or that there are more of them, only that they were prone to childish behavior.”

    I did NOT say there was not more of them. I was POINTING OUT to you that there is no evidence on the page you linked on them actually being children or having parents. Nothing states or implies that there are more Spirits or that they are part of some big galactic society. Pretty simple.

  94. Blacksun2175 June 18, 2010 at 4:05 am -      #94

    There are a lot of things not mentioned or put on wookiepedia.

    But for now I conceed the point. XP

  95. Omega-88 June 18, 2010 at 4:26 am -      #95

    Star Wars for the FP Award admin.Easy wins for Star Wars

  96. Locutus June 18, 2010 at 4:50 am -      #96

    Omega-88, every post you make on this site is totally useless. GO AWAY AND NEVER COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

  97. Laharl June 18, 2010 at 5:22 am -      #97

    “Heh…Squirrel Girl vs Kahrn.”
    I feel bad for Kahrn…
    Death by squirrels is horrible.

  98. Darth Dagon. June 28, 2010 at 12:56 am -      #98

    Star wars is very mysterious. so let me throw these unmentioned factors in the mix. i keep reading about “Q” & this four digit # alien. it seems that all star trek fans are relying on these two entities. well let me give u trekies this to chew on. when jedi die they become one with the force. omnipresent and inter/extradimensional deities capable of infinite limitless possibilities. Want proof? read the novel shadow hunter. the rakatan Infinite empire spanned the entire star wars galaxy and large portions of others at its prime. they constructed the massive star forge. a star dwarfing factory that consumed the dark side of the force and turned that harvested energy into massive instant fleets of thousands of Destroyers & fighters. able to obliterate any opposition effortlessly. the empire designed and constructed a weapon known as the galaxy gun. a device capable of eradicating any ship or planet instantly from across the galaxy. id love to see earth on the proper end of the death stars mega beam. exar kunn siphoned the life off an entire planet with the dark side. id love to let darth maul loose on a borg sphere & watch him come back within hours unscathed. the “Q” would not even get involved. they’d sit back & watch the show. star trek is for fags & little girls. FANBOYS UNITE!!!

  99. OriginalA June 28, 2010 at 1:11 am -      #99

    Just curious, but do you have any idea how infintisimal a few mere galaxies is compared to an omnipresant being? Because you claimed that a Force Ghost was both omnipresant yet limited to a mere galaxy and than a little more.

    It is a glaring contradition that really hampers your arguement. I don’t trust the other No Limit Fallacies either.

  100. TheSorrow June 28, 2010 at 1:26 am -      #100

    All omnipotent and omnipresent beings should be kept out of fights. Seriously as soon as you allow beings like the Q in, it’s all over, there would be no point in debating or even considering this as a match.

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