Suggested by AHEM
Well, AHEM certainly knows how to get a lot of his suggestions posted…Anyways, this is a fun match that I will have to stay out of since we all know which side I’m going with. In fact, I’m pretty sure Richard could win the entire match by himself.
The battle takes place with both continents on the same world, with all characters and creatures (minus gods) available at full power to fight.
Which side wins?
“So if it comes down to D.A vs Alagaesia, if you had to hazard anything, do you think its a safe bet that for this particular universe fight to let all the Warden Candidates that are playable to be recruited for the sake of the match, but then let it be discussed as to which of the candidates should be the overall Grey Warden commander of Ferelden in particular?
For that matter, should we go with a Composite!-D.A-verse for such a match, and would it be safe to allow for all the debaters to get the right to pick out a class for Hawke and get it over with?(I’d prefer fighter!-verse’s take on Hawke, less strangle-worthy like I had to take it out on my dad outside the In-universe pet the dog instances, including saving the sibling’s life many times over, but I don’t think its safe to rule out the Mage!-verse’s take either since its also canon, too…what to do to provide a reasonable compromise that 90% of all factpilers can agree with?) T_T’”
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Well, I’d probably recommend picking one class for the Warden and Hawke, but allowing all the characters that are alive at one point in the actual games to compete, including both of the Hawke siblings. And yeah, all the six possible origins for the Warden should be available, since each of them is alive at the start, with only the one that is selected to be the Warden not dying.
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“You won’t shoot me if I say that if Murtagh had to fight it out with either the Cousland or Amell Candidates mono-a-mono that it could go either way, will you? o.0′”
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No, I won’t shoot you, but you betcha I’d argue with that, ’cause Murtagh could easily wipe the floor with the a*sses of every single potential Warden and once without so much as breaking a sweat.
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Of course, I once blew Pondering Fool’s head off with a .50 calibur rifle for trying to take credit for one of my posts in the Thor vs. Xena debate, so you never know….
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“So if anyone’s willing to check on the chapter for Angela’s spell, I hope to hear about it soon, okay?”
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Found it. It’s in Inheritance, chapter “Infidels on the Loose,” pages 302-303 in my hardback copy. She killed twenty men in the time it took Eragon (who is as fast as an elf) to move a few feet, confirmed that it was Tenga who taught it to her, and added that “I won’t be able to use the spell again today, not without hurting myself…”
*cough*Name of Names kill everyone*cough*
@AHEM on #401
The Amell Human Warden candidates= Human Mages by default no matter what!
The Cousland Human Warden Candidates= Human Fighter Classes by Default, Warrior or Rogue.
Dalish Wood Elves=Any classes that aren’t Mages since the Mage cases were with the Amell line.
Dalish City Elves=See the above except their recruitment is in the city.
Dwarvern Nobles=Fighter classes mostly, although Mage may or may not be possible.
Dwarven Commoners=See the above minus the prestige!
The Warden candidates that don’t have their basic class types sealed in stone are allowed to be picked by the factpilers, or should at least be left as options to work with to test out differing strategies, because face it, nothing helps faction-based group fights or outright universe fights more than the abilities to strategize, really.
The idea of Bethany + Carver alive at the same time…this basically means = all 3 class takes on Hawke will lack Waste of Space!-instances(Mage!-verse’s take might be most guilty of this although its reduced quite a bit if Mage!-verse’s take managed to keep the surviving sibling alive, have both of them alive and you better either have the abilities to remember being crazy-prepared to fight him or have the Badassery levels of Dresden, his late ma’s old man in Ebenezer McCoy*both from the Dresden Files* or Haseo*can’t forget Murtagh either via varying extents* at the minimum if you’re an enemy and don’t want to die basically, and if you’re a direct threat to the family, then unless you’re of the above list*not that the last two would dream of it unless they got no choice, but still…* or more uber in Badassery, you better be ready for trouble or you’re gonna wind up dead, right?) although for such a match, we can just agree to allow for all 3 classes to be a viable option to let the factpilers decide as to which one would be best-suited, I’d prefer Fighter!-verse’s take on Hawke more due to having less unfortunate implications in weight + numbers, but I’d never dream of removing the options from other factpilers, either.(even though Fighter!-verse is more Badass overall and still able to sense supernatural forces via varying extents!)
Also, the Warden selected in the 1st D.A game is the one that doesn’t wind up dead, jailed or worse, pretty much, right?
For this universe fight in particular, all the Warden Candidates will be recruited, although we might have to decide which of the candidates should be the overall Warden Commander of Ferelden, that’s for sure.(Let’s do it via Asskicking Equals Authority for good measure, it’d be a tough call between the Couslands and the Amells in regards to Badassery if the Warden Commander should be Human, for instance particularly speaking!)
I never doubt that Murtagh has the potential to do that, in some respects he’s not too different from Vergil from Devil May Cry in respects like that, insofar as being a Badass Swordmaster would be concerned among other things(difference is that at least Murtagh managed to keep enough of his sanity intact, Vergil didn’t get the chance after Devil May Cry 3!) and however well the Warden Candidates(the selected Commander included) would fare against Eragon unless either Fighter!-class or Mage!-Hawke’s keeping Eragon busy*, Murtagh might stop the candidates dead-cold for sure if they aren’t prepared to engage him, they’d stand the most to lose against Murtagh anyway if they don’t fight smart, and that’s basically from a bunch of guys who don’t have a lot of superhuman capabilities apart from sensing supernatural forces, pretty much, right?
I’ll keep it in mind, and I’ll remember to repair and upgrade my helmet as an observer for the fighting, I might pray for some of the D.A-verse cast I still have a decent reception for to stay alive(I might do a tek tek for Bethany or Carver one of these days, Bethany’s more likelier overall since my decent-enough receptions for her is higher than that of Carver’s…if there’s anything we can agree Hawke would do right, its trying to do right by what’s left of Playable Hawke’s!- family, take that away and while Hawke might not be an outright complete monster, Hawke would essentially lose too much humanity to get it to matter, really!) I’m not necessarily gonna be rooting for either side so much as I’m gonna go watch the bloodbath to ensure so I can collect some skulls for the Primordial War Goddess Enyo/Bellona and her skull throne even if I don’t worship her outright(which as far as I’m aware, I don’t…you never know if I might, though, so who can say unless its Time we’re talking about? *shrug* )
Nice, you managed to find that spell Angela + Tenga knew, if only we knew its name, it might be more potent than the .hack-verse’s Ap Do Speed-Enhancing spell or D.A’s Haste spell, you never know.
Despite my fairly decent receptions for some of the D.A cast, the D.A-verse is generally a great and oddly-fun way to get a bloodbath in faction vs faction fights(provided that its not a stomp-fest in either side’s favor) which in turn = collecting some skulls…unless your home gets targeted in which case, draw your weapons and get ready to fight!
1.) (That idea right there kind of reminds me of Suzaku Kururugi from Code Geass vs Kira Yamato from Gundam SEED + SEED: Destiny in some respects if we take them from their main canons, except the Suzaku in question like the original is less of a Waste of Space overall compared to the Kira Yamato in question*No Offense intended*, and yes, I’m aware of the Irony that Suzaku is voiced by the same guys who voiced Haseo from the dot.hack universe…point is the idea has potential in itself, let’s leave it at that, either version of Hawke*no matter which fighter Class for Fighter!-Hawke* Whether it’d be Fighter!-verse or Mage!-verse is potentially likely to get Eragon mono-a-mono just as Eragon is likely to get either version of Hawke mono-a-mono, in my eyes it could go either way and depending on the circumstances involved in such a match, it’d be a war of attrition + Willpower between two individuals, which = one of the most Badass types of 1-vs-1 matches there is!)
@Epic
Potentially it might, if there’s any way to know for sure on SoT’s magic-users, yet it might not kill every single enemy on the SoT side.
I smell Coin-tosser in here, and I know because I had experience with Coin-tossers before!
What about the Grey Folk? Though all we know is that they’re at least as powerful as the Elves.
@Epic
Indeed, the Grey Folk are formidable as well, to what extents if we go with their prime numbers, we can’t say for sure.
I suspect they might be moot points though, if AHEM recalls anything, so caution is advised accordingly.
They’re the reason why Alagaesia’s Magic Systems would be as anywhere near controllable as it is, now in current Inheritance storylines. (Obviously the Potter-world + Dot.hack Magic Systems both beat out that of Alagaesia’s, yet the Dresden Files’ Magic Systems beat out both despite being the same kind of magic system as Alagaesia’s own, overall!I’m inclined to believe its mainly because of the D.F Practitioners for said Magic Systems in general, though!)
Without them at all, Alagaesian Magic would have gotten too out of hand, really.
I don’t agree that the Ancient Language loses to Potter World.
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Do you think the match I suggested, of Holy Shonen Trinity vs Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon is fair? The three characters, not the three Shonen Universes.
@Epic
I don’t agree the Ancient Language >>> the Potter-world nor Dot.hack-verse Magic Systems, either, the only thing I could see the Ancient Language beating the Potter-world Magic Systems to any degree at all would be with the general practitioners being above that of the Modern Potter-world’s own, but the dot.hack-verse’s practitioners have an easier time warping reality around them, pretty much.
It might have potential to be a fair fight, but it depends on which particular pokemon you selected to fight the Shonen Trinity’s best-known Champions, truth be told. (easier said than done, though!)
“What about the Grey Folk? Though all we know is that they’re at least as powerful as the Elves.”
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The Grey Folk are all dead long before the books begin, and Christopher Paolini confirmed in an interview that there are no Grey Folk left except maybe some distant descendents with Grey Folk blood. Besides, we know next to nothing about their numbers and abilities, so we wouldn’t be able to judge their ability in a war scenario anyway.
“Dwarvern Nobles=Fighter classes mostly, although Mage may or may not be possible.
Dwarven Commoners=See the above minus the prestige!”
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Dwarves in DA can’t become mages. Their inherent resistance to magic makes it impossible.
@AHEM
So regardless of whether or not there’s any purebred Grey Folk left in Modern Inheritance storylines or not, they’re about as moot a point as Alduin is with Current!-TES incarnations after Skyrim’s events that they might have to get discounted, right?
Why do I get the nagging hunch it sounds like Godric Gryffindor’s case with the Modern Potter-world in general before they could send a task force to find out whether or not he’s alive? ;_;’
@AHEM at #411
At least you clarified in regards to recent memory, although I could have sworn Dwarves in general could have become Mages like Humans and Dalish Elves could for some reason or another, though.
(Without using Darkspawn blood, and given that the DarkSpawn are more or less the Dragon Age-verse’s Medieval Tyranid!-expies who’ve yet to get rid of their own Dwarvern races…that’s just bad news all around!)
You got more to say in regards to #403 that I just made legit points on?
I’m all ears to listen to them if you are willing to list the other parts of it out, I didn’t rule out Playable!-Hawke’s odds against Eragon’s nor did I do vice-versa for Eragon’s(hey, at least Playable!-Hawke’s odds against Eragons are above that of Playable!-Hawke’s odds against Murtagh, who should be fought off by the Playable Warden Candidates that includes Player!-Hawke’s Amell Warden cousin, in fact, right?) no matter which version of Playable!-Hawke we picked along with the classes, right?
@AHEM
While we don’t know for sure whether or not the PIS preventing the Alagaesians from making Shades out of other races should be removed or stay in this match, do you think we might run into said PIS if we have to plan out Dragon Age vs Alagaesia, to be sure?
Also, how much of a threat Galbatorix will be to the SoT side, to be sure?
@AHEM
Is it safe to say that the PIS that prevents the Alagaesians from making Shades out of other races is at least equal to the PIS that prevents the Potter-world killing curses from being used Non-verbally?
Either way, more strategies for both sides never hurts, and we need more people willing to plan ahead, so who else among the buffs for either side ought to join along?
“So regardless of whether or not there’s any purebred Grey Folk left in Modern Inheritance storylines or not, they’re about as moot a point as Alduin is with Current!-TES incarnations after Skyrim’s events that they might have to get discounted, right?”
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More moot. Alduin at least would be present if we assumed all TES characters “prior to death or incapacitation.” The Grey Folk never even appeared in the Inheritance Cycle, as Alduin did in Skyrim.
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“At least you clarified in regards to recent memory, although I could have sworn Dwarves in general could have become Mages like Humans and Dalish Elves could for some reason or another, though”
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I think they could in the past, but with cut off from the Fade for some reason. Perhaps because of their extensive time around raw lyrium, and developing a resistance to that.
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“You got more to say in regards to #403 that I just made legit points on?”
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Not really. I agree with most of the rest of it, though I doubt that any individual Dragon Age character would be powerful enough to present a serious threat to higher-tier magicians like Eragon. Maybe the mages could, if their shields could block the death words, but the warriors and rogues probably wouldn’t have enough durability to last beyond a single attack.
“While we don’t know for sure whether or not the PIS preventing the Alagaesians from making Shades out of other races should be removed or stay in this match, do you think we might run into said PIS if we have to plan out Dragon Age vs Alagaesia, to be sure?
Also, how much of a threat Galbatorix will be to the SoT side, to be sure?”
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Well, I’d say it’s more Character Induced Stupidity than Plot Induced Stupidity. People tend not to make Shades very often because they know that Shades are dangerous, uncontrollable, and very difficult to kill. That might be lifted if they knew for sure that everyone from their homeland would be compelled to help them fight, but they might still have uncertainties. The Empire would be most likely to resort to those tactics, as they allied with one Shade and created another in a desperate situation.
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I’d say that they would create new Shades, especially if the situation got grim and defeat seemed imminent, but they would never go all gung-ho and create an army of Shades to rely upon or something like that.
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Galbatorix I’m not sure of…given that he has hundreds of Eldunarya, he would almost certainly have more raw power and physical speed/strength than anyone in SoT except perhaps Richard (and I personally believe that Galbatorix would be more powerful in just about every area). Mord-Sith would probably not be a threat to him, since The Omen Machine revealed that a Mord-Sith can be overwhelmed if she tries to steal too much magic at once, which would almost certainly be the case if she tried to steal Galbatorix’s. Witch women probably couldn’t stop him, since he could just use the death words to kill them if they tried to turn his magic back on him, or just slice their heads off with Vrangr at immense speeds. It really depends on how his hundreds of wards would fare against subtractive magic. If it could penetrate them, then he would still be a great threat, but vulnerable to assault from the stronger SoT characters. If he assumes that he’s invulnerable to their attacks, he might be taken out by a surprise assault. If his shields can block it, however, then it would be extremely difficult for anything in SoT to stop him.
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Shruikan is also worth considering. Galbatorix spent over a hundred years accelerating his size with immensely powerful magic, and he’s without a doubt the biggest creature ever to appear in either series. With wards from Galbatorix to protect him, he might well be unstoppable.
@AHEM on #415
YIKES!!!
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There’s someone who has it even worse than Alduin or Godric Gryffindor of the Potter-world do, or rather a group of people who have it worse, in this case!
Didn’t a lot of the D.A Templars went corrupt because of the Lyrium and thus 90% of the current D.A Templars become worth flipping the 2nd finger at them as I suspected, because of it?(Or at least the Thedas Branch of these guys, pray the others are less bad about this overall!)
I suspect that Deathwords won’t be able to insta-kill them due to their armor and/or runes, but this doesn’t mean they’re safe from indirect magical attacks, even the Khornate Berserkers(at least for Warhammer Fantasy) aren’t safe from it, either.
If the Warriors in question had the Templar + Reaver Specializations, I’m pretty sure they have a chance to not get stomped outright via Eragon, plus if Player!-Hawke was a Warrior outright and has all the available Warrior Trees, Player!-Hawke might at least be able to take Eragon to the afterlife with him, likewise with Mage!-verse Hawke(no matter how I generally feel about that version in particular) Rogue!-Class Player!-Hawke would have to be ludicrously clever to snipe off Eragon without getting caught, I don’t doubt the possibility that Rogue!-Player Hawke could pull it off, but its a Tartarus of a massive risk to attempt to do it on his own, he’d have to be part of a Strike Force to have a hope of pulling it off successfully, all the Rogue Trees mastered may help, but as I noted before you have to be someone on par with a Rogue Grey Warden in fighting capabilities(or in the dot.hack-verse’s case, have to be Xth form Haseo) if you even want to think about fighting it out with Eragon directly, unless you’re even more ludicrously equipped accordingly and have enough prep!-time to plan it out in order to have a shot to succeed!
Which is a shame on how likely Fighter!-verse Hawke might fail to get Eragon, my receptions for that version of Player!-Hawke is warmer than it is for Mage!-verse Hawke. T_T’ (the truth need be spoken!)
Although if any of the versions of Player!-Hawke got killed via Eragon if Player!-Hawke fails to get Eragon alone, then if its in front of the Amell Warden Candidate, maybe the Amell Warden Candidate would be tranquilly furious and go to finish off Eragon(wishful thinking?Maybe, could it work unless Murtagh arrives to save Eragon in time? I think so!)
Does Alagaesia have responses to the Potter-world’s Unbreakable vows or Camp Half-Blood’s takes on the River Styx Oaths?
Those would help no small deal for the Alagaesians when it comes to the Tyranid Expies known as the DarkSpawn, and if they want to prevent the DarkSpawn from being able to use their own magic systems against them, things akin to Unbreakable Vows/River Styx Oaths will help the Alagaesians so very much!
P.S: There’s very few times when I might consider rooting for any version of Player!-Hawke to win, and Player!-Hawke’s family has to be on the line.
True I’d be rooting for Dresden or Haseo against Hawke overall more times than not, but if its against Eragon, I might understand, and in this case might even root for Player!-Hawke outright.(Maybe I might hope that Player!-Hawke canonically becomes a Parent in the D.A E.U?Maybe its because I might still have a heart somewhere?I leave it to you to decide this, just think of it as me petting the hellhound!)
@AHEM on #416
The part about not exploring the potential for other races in terms of creating Shades is still partially PIS, though, Elven Shades may be all the more deadlier than Human Shades potentially, but how much is not something anyone would want to dare gauge, I’m sure, at least if they could help it unless no better options are available.
True, I wouldn’t outright disregard CIS, I might be willing to do permittable bending if necessary, outright disregarding of it is reprehensible, though.(unless there’s no better way for the side that might otherwise get slain or worse to defend themselves, that might be another story, but that’s too last-resort-ish for my tastes in general, while I can debate better when grasping straws than most other people can when they’re grasping tomes, not everyone is me!)
So it’d definitely take the SoT heavy-hitters to go in a war party after Galbatorix, provided they aren’t after Murtagh and too busy trying to get him before he gets them, 1st!
He makes going after Eragon alone even with Saphira seem easier said than done, in comparison, really. T_T’
Are the Lethrblaka and the horde of Eldunarya at Vroengard a threat?
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@CC: The Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon are Dragonite, Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp, and Hydreigon. By HST, I meant Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo.
@Epic
The Lethrblaka…I can’t believe I forgot about those things!
They have potential to work against the Shonen Trinity champions, but you might need to speak with the Trinity buffs for more info.
“Didn’t a lot of the D.A Templars went corrupt because of the Lyrium and thus 90% of the current D.A Templars become worth flipping the 2nd finger at them as I suspected, because of it?(Or at least the Thedas Branch of these guys, pray the others are less bad about this overall!)”
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There definitely was lyrium addiction among the Templars, making some worse, and being used as a tool of control by the higher ups. Don’t remember how pervasive it was, though.
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“I suspect that Deathwords won’t be able to insta-kill them due to their armor and/or runes, but this doesn’t mean they’re safe from indirect magical attacks, even the Khornate Berserkers(at least for Warhammer Fantasy) aren’t safe from it, either.
If the Warriors in question had the Templar + Reaver Specializations, I’m pretty sure they have a chance to not get stomped outright via Eragon, plus if Player!-Hawke was a Warrior outright and has all the available Warrior Trees, Player!-Hawke might at least be able to take Eragon to the afterlife with him, likewise with Mage!-verse Hawke(no matter how I generally feel about that version in particular) Rogue!-Class Player!-Hawke would have to be ludicrously clever to snipe off Eragon without getting caught, I don’t doubt the possibility that Rogue!-Player Hawke could pull it off, but its a Tartarus of a massive risk to attempt to do it on his own, he’d have to be part of a Strike Force to have a hope of pulling it off successfully, all the Rogue Trees mastered may help, but as I noted before you have to be someone on par with a Rogue Grey Warden in fighting capabilities(or in the dot.hack-verse’s case, have to be Xth form Haseo) if you even want to think about fighting it out with Eragon directly, unless you’re even more ludicrously equipped accordingly and have enough prep!-time to plan it out in order to have a shot to succeed!”
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Maybe, maybe not. I’d save that for the actual match ups, though if it’s going to be requested, whatever Warden or Hawke had better be at the top of their game if they’re going to fight a high tier magician, and they’d better hope that Eragon doesn’t have all of his Eldunarya.
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“Does Alagaesia have responses to the Potter-world’s Unbreakable vows or Camp Half-Blood’s takes on the River Styx Oaths?”
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Oaths in the Ancient Language cannot be broken, and will compel the body to act even if the person struggles against them. You can also control someone by using their True Name in the Ancient Language. These can only be overridden by the Name of All Names.
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“Those would help no small deal for the Alagaesians when it comes to the Tyranid Expies known as the DarkSpawn, and if they want to prevent the DarkSpawn from being able to use their own magic systems against them, things akin to Unbreakable Vows/River Styx Oaths will help the Alagaesians so very much!”
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How, exactly?
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“The part about not exploring the potential for other races in terms of creating Shades is still partially PIS, though, Elven Shades may be all the more deadlier than Human Shades potentially, but how much is not something anyone would want to dare gauge, I’m sure, at least if they could help it unless no better options are available.”
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For all we know, those possibilities might have been explored, but we just never saw any other races of Shades. When only two Shades appear in an entire book series, it isn’t unreasonable for both to be of the most numerous race on the continent.
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There’s no confirmation either way on elven Shades, but given the interaction between most types of magic, I don’t think their natural strength would stack with a Shade’s abilities. When Durza died, his body appeared hollow except for the spirits within (Eragon, chapter “Battle Under Farthen Dûr”), indicating that all that was left of his original human body was a shell controlled by the spirits. Therefore, an elven Shade likely wouldn’t be any more powerful, though you never know…
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“Are the Lethrblaka and the horde of Eldunarya at Vroengard a threat?”
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The Lethrblaka are, but only to an extent. There are two of them, and they’re almost on the level fo a dragon, so they would be powerful and dangerous opponents, but probably not capable of turning defeat into victory by themselves.
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The horde of Eldunarya definitely are. If Eragon has those, his magical powers and telepathy are heightened even above Murtagh’s (though he’s still not as good a fighter and definitely not nearly as intelligent), and second only to Galbatorix.
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@AHEM
So the point on at least the Thedas branch being worth flipping the 2nd finger at still applies, right?
You have a fair point that whichever Warden Candidate or whichever version of Player!-Hawke has to engage Eragon coming in at maximum power, and in 1-vs-1 if allowing Eragon all the Eldunari was what I’d have in mind, I’d have sent Haseo after Eragon already with the Non-standard powers via having all 8 of the Morganna Factors and get it over with.
Dresden Had enough Badassitude to get Eragon without resorting to Non-standard powers, but to say that just anyone could be at his BadAssery level scale-wise could be asking for trouble.
As for how it helps, it’d be mainly because the Alagaesians should do well to keep their females as far away from the DarkSpawn as possible, they get infected, they’d become Brood Mothers unless they remember to mercy-kill their infected females, and trust me when I say via 1st-hand experience, not everyone is gonna be able to make the mercy-kills on their own successfully in time, which is why I had to ask if there’s things on par with Unbreakable Vows or River Styx Oaths, in fact, because if either are violated, bad things happen to the violators in question as they wind up dead at the very least.
So either way, moot point is more moot than the PIS surrounding the lack of non-verbal casting of Avada Kedavra, then?
Figures, it’d probably be bad news for the D.A side if their prisoners got turned to Shades at the hands of Alagaesians, although either way the new collection of skulls can’t be too shabby to gather off the fields of the dead.(Maybe its the bloodlust off the side of me talking, I can’t quite say!)
Legitimate point on Murtagh being more intelligent + a better fighter than Eragon, even I have to question whether or not Artemis Fowl or Tavi from Codex Alera could pull off outwitting him successfully, and all I got for Haseo barring non-standard powers is just Mutually Assured Destruction acts between the two, really.
With the Eldunari, Naegling could even get a whole lot more rapidly recharged, right?
“So the point on at least the Thedas branch being worth flipping the 2nd finger at still applies, right?”
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Yes.
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“As for how it helps, it’d be mainly because the Alagaesians should do well to keep their females as far away from the DarkSpawn as possible, they get infected, they’d become Brood Mothers unless they remember to mercy-kill their infected females, and trust me when I say via 1st-hand experience, not everyone is gonna be able to make the mercy-kills on their own successfully in time, which is why I had to ask if there’s things on par with Unbreakable Vows or River Styx Oaths, in fact, because if either are violated, bad things happen to the violators in question as they wind up dead at the very least.”
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Hmm, definitely a potential use. Ancient Language vows for any infected female to be mercy killed would probably work. No one would be able to defy them even if they tried. Unless, of course, they had the Name of All Names.
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Different races produce different types of Darkspawn in DA. I wonder what would happen if Alagaësian elves, dwarves, or urgals were turned into broodmothers?
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“Figures, it’d probably be bad news for the D.A side if their prisoners got turned to Shades at the hands of Alagaesians, although either way the new collection of skulls can’t be too shabby to gather off the fields of the dead.(Maybe its the bloodlust off the side of me talking, I can’t quite say!)”
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That seems like something that the Empire would do. Turn prisoners into Shades, release ‘em in enemy territory, and watch the chaos unfold.
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“With the Eldunari, Naegling could even get a whole lot more rapidly recharged, right?”
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Yes.
@AHEM
It figures.
If its overall agreed 1st 3 forms!-Haseo did manage to gain final victory in the intro match, could someone draw a few panels of him taking a quote from Gladiator, quote Maximus and then flip the 2nd finger at the Templars of Thedas, at least?
Looks like you found another potential use with the Ancient Language’s direct use, quicker than I did, AHEM.
Nice, if I do say so, myself.
I know that I would never dream kindly of the day the DarkSpawn somehow managing to nab ladies of Zeus’s Aunt Aphy’s Ichor-lines and infecting them, too much despair event horizons happening all over the place unless they get mercy-killed, I’d hope they don’t infect any females among Hekate’s Creation-lines either, that would just be bad considering they might have a Potter-world-esque!-Canon Unlimited Magic Score, and Potter-world!-female Magic-users getting infected…you already know how I’d feel on the idea and hope the Unbreakable vows mercy-kill them 1st, right?
Do Mriswith have any known females among them?
It might be possible for the Alagaesians to capture the potential females and then turn them into Shades.
Then Naegling becomes a much bigger weapon of Mass Destruction than Usual, I see.
Perhaps not enough to continent!-bust by itself, but definitely enough to help cause no small warpath against the Sword of Truth onslaught if left unchecked, right?
@AHEM
Although if D.A E.U’s consented to use, it might make vs. Alagaesia all the more worthwhile, right?
Meantime, how useful do you think the Seithr Oil will be for the Alagaesians?
@AHEM
If nada more, how do you think the Urgals’ newfound magic-users may affect the odds for the Alagaesians to live through this matter?
P.S: do you think Eragon could actually beat Naruto as it stands?
I did recall Murtagh wiping Post-Elvenified Eragon across the floor at the end of Eldest, gut hunch says give him enough Eldunari and he’ll be nothing short of a massive PAIN to get rid of for the Sword of Truth side, right?
@Everyone else:
If only Mazrim or Cpt. Olimar were here. T_T’
@AHEM: Actually, I think Oromis may be near Eragon+Eldunarya. He said that he could move a mountain with his sorted energy. What exactly was Aren used for?
I’m pretty sure it’s just called the Name of Names. If the Eleven army, any Riders, and all the Eldunarya and Dragons got together, they could possibly just split the area around any major SoT cities for miles, even more so with the Name of Names. Are any past Riders included? Also, what about the magical kamikazes magic users can pull off?
@Epic
Admittedly speaking, I’d like to know more info about this particular bit, myself.
@Epic at #429
Are the Magical Kamikazes on par with the Dresden!-verse’s Death Curses or the dot.hack universe’s Rebirth Ability of Corbenik in terms of killing a lot of people at once with AoE attacks?
Yes. I believe one Rider destroying himself leveled a battlefield, except for the Forsworn and Galbatorix, who shielded themselves. BTW, that has nothing to do with the Rider’s power. He turned his matter into energy.
@Epic
Where is it stated?
Was the effect planetary+, or was it just city-based in AoE?
It was I guess city block at absolute least, maybe town in size. Or, if they lose a battle, then just turn everyone there into energy. I’ll get back to you on the size of the explosion, or AHEM may know.
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What about Fangur or Nidwhal mind-rape?
@Epic
What does the Fangur or Nidwhal Mind-raping do, exactly?
Would they require group efforts to pull off?
What’s the amount of prep-time required to pull either of them off to any successful degree?
And how much use would they be against massive numbers?
It was city-level. Basically, he made himself an atomic bomb. The cloud of smoke rose 10-20 miles up, and the explosion was heard all the way in Alagaësia (they were on Vroengard.) It even released radiation poisoning.
@CC:
1: It renders the opponent useless through sheer pain basically.
2: No.
3: None.
4: I don’t know, depends how many. Nidwhal are only effective to the ships that may invade Alagaësia. Fangur are only effective in the Bëor Mts, but anyone who goes into the Mountains, or the Spine, is screwed for a number of reasons.
*By city level, I meant that’s the effective blast radius. The radiation poisoning was island level. Everyone on the battlefield was instantly disintegrated. However, the buildings were left basically shells. This is all from a quick skimming, so don’t expect 100% accuracy.
@Epic
So City-level radius, as bad as getting hit with Crucio Horriblis Maxima(why the combo hasn’t been intro’d reeks more PIS than CIS, to me, but if common sense says anything, there is a time + place to discuss the ideas in depth, and this isn’t it!) but could be useful against enemy groups, and is limited to specified locations to apply best effect against enemy onslaughts, did I hear that right or must AHEM clarify things further?
@Epic
Care to pay a visit to Eragon vs Harry Dresden, or is that already done?
@AHEM
You won’t hold it against me if I were to say that Haseo vs Eragon has potential to rival Kratos vs Harry Dresden in terms of meaningful content, right?
“Do Mriswith have any known females among them?”
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One. The Mriswith Queen, who resembles a red dragon, and lays the eggs that the rest of them hatch from. I don’t think that the rest of the Mriswith could be classified as female.
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“Are any past Riders included?”
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Not if they were dead before the books even began.
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“Yes. I believe one Rider destroying himself leveled a battlefield, except for the Forsworn and Galbatorix, who shielded themselves. BTW, that has nothing to do with the Rider’s power. He turned his matter into energy.”
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Just so everyone knows, this is a suicide move. It can only be done by a very powerful magic user who converts part of the mass of their body into pure energy. I don’t think it could be classified as city-destroying, though, since “Inheritance” showed one of these suicide moves being unleashed in the heart of the Empire’s capital, and the city was just fine, afterwards. The damage was mostly confined to the castle where it was unleashed.
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“If nada more, how do you think the Urgals’ newfound magic-users may affect the odds for the Alagaesians to live through this matter?
P.S: do you think Eragon could actually beat Naruto as it stands?”
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Urgals have always been able to use magic. An urgal shaman’s enchantment was instrumental in the killing of Galbatorix’s first dragon, over a hundred years before the books begin. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just more magicians, above the average Varden spellcaster but not really beyond an imperial or dwarven one. If a Kull can use magic, however, then they’d probably have as much raw power as an elf, but with less knowledge and skill.
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And I haven’t the faintest clue what Naruto is capable of. Never seen it.
When was it used in Uru-Baen? I only remember on Vroengard. Glaedr says the explosion was heard from Teirm, the dust cloud rose as high as the Bëor Mts, and it poisoned everything in Doru Araeba, killing everyone near the on the battlefield, and poisoning the entire city.
@AHEM
So what would happen if the Alagaesians were able to make the Mriswith Queen a Shade, exactly?
What about Brom’s Dragon, whom Eragon’s own was named after in Her honor?
So the Dresden Files’ take on the same kind of Magic-system as Alagaesia’s own >>> Alagaesia’s own Magic System in terms of unleashing AoE kill spells, right?
Even if Ovan(dot.hack universe, G.U era) had a Deathwish, Corbenik’s Rebirth Ability is Planetary+ in effect, and its capable of doing far worse than the individual attacks of a powerful Alagaesian mage, as far as I recalled.
If a Universe war breaks out and even if 1st death wins has to apply, moot point is moot, though since Ovan has other AoE attacks to bring to the table.
If a .hack vs Alagaesia universe fight breaks out, Ovan would just be one of the major threats to the Alagaesians.
So a Magic-using Kull killed Galbatorix’s 1st dragon and basically planted the seeds that caused the whole mess to break out, right?
Interesting.
I think that an experienced magic user, such as a powerful Elf, would be able to word a spell to make some sort of AoE attack that would be very dangerous.
@Epic at #445
Not necessarily to dispute the idea outright, per se, but just how many Alagaesian Elves were at the level of Oromis at his prime+ or above?
For that matter, could they do that kind of spell on the fly?
About Oromis, only Riders. About the spell, a highly advanced and experienced magic user could.
@Epic
How much time would it take for the latter to have a chance of pulling off to any successful degree whatsoever, for that matter?
@AHEM
Are you alright?
Depends on how they word it.
@Epic
To the non-magical means for both sides to dispose of each other, you have any ideas, yet?
@AHEM
Are you doing alright?
Also, if its true that Arya’s now a Dragon Rider, what would this mean and how does it effect the overall war efforts in here?
“When was it used in Uru-Baen?”
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Galbatorix used it in a last ditch attempt to kill Eragon and the others.
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“So what would happen if the Alagaesians were able to make the Mriswith Queen a Shade, exactly?
What about Brom’s Dragon, whom Eragon’s own was named after in Her honor?”
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I don’t know. She probably wouldn’t be able to lay any more eggs. I’m not sure if becoming a shade would put her on the side of SoT or Alagaesia. She’d probably become a crazed berserker killer on neither side.
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Brom’s Saphira was dead long before the first book began.
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“So a Magic-using Kull killed Galbatorix’s 1st dragon and basically planted the seeds that caused the whole mess to break out, right?”
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Not sure if it was a Kull or not, or could even use magic. It might have just been a regular urgal who was using an arrow that had been made by an urgal shaman.
@AHEM
Eragon and the others made it that far to have Galbatorix resort to such a spell? o.0′
If its used in this fight, then DANG, right there this fight is a hell of a lot more Badass than that spitefight that had the Iron Warriors abuse the Potter-world’s reputation for auto-fame while disgracing the concept of a Siege match at the same time!(A lot of Crap happened while you were gone, not sure if you could have been able to prevent that mess from happening or not, I’d like to wager you could have reduced the odds of it, happening, that’s for sure!Seriously we may as well have Post-Endor E.U Luke Skywalker vs Original!-Tenchi Masaki if things had gone to the $hitters that bad!) T_T’
So the Mriswith Queen, at the very least, would just be out for the blood of everything if Shade-ified, right?
Intriguing, to be sure.
Aww….it would have been fitting if we ever got to see what Brom’s Saphira was like, she might have been so useful if she were there.
The point that an Urgal got Galbatorix’s 1st dragon killed still stands, right?
@AHEM
Is there more that Alagaesia has to offer to fight off the Sword of Truth invaders?
@AHEM
A P.S to you, sir: Also if you got a worthwhile possible match scenario in mind that the rules are backing up rather than the other way around, for Dragon Age vs Alagaesia to work, I am all ears!
I just hope that the rules will permit factpilers to pick the class for Hawke though, and while I might agree that one of the Warden Candidates(since all of them will be alive for this fight, as will both of Player!-Hawke’s siblings!) has to be the overall Warden-Commander of Ferelden, it ought to be via virtue of Asskicking Equals Authority, among other things!
Gut hunch says that should such a Universal War break out, not only will it give a lot of dot.hack-verse residents and Potter-world residents causes for alarm on the potential escalations(it might not be too much the dot.hack-verse can’t deal with on their own if they went for broke, the Potter-world’s majority would be lucky if they either start evacuations or get mercy-killed via unbreakable vows, whichever comes 1st! T_T ) but its at least gonna give quite a lot of the major Dresden Files Factions impulses to facepalm themselves on how much of a Magical Killing Spree will ensure!(even most of the people in some of those factions find the Potter-world residents, Magi-convicts that most would view them as, to have standards, they’re keeping tabs on some of the dot.hack forces although they’re willing to let most of their forces live in an act of honest mercy, but a lot of the D.A + Alagaesian residents in general….yeah, this isn’t gonna be pretty to begin with, just be glad they aren’t directly involved at all, amen?)
Man, the unfortunate implications will just escalate on both sides that it’d be enough for TV tropes to talk about it, it might even serve as its own series and would be enough of a bloodbath to rival the Hundred-Year Wars between Britain + France, and then some!(and the Potter-world vs twilight fight that I had to give it my all to save the Potter-world with was nothing short of Bad enough as a near-re-run of it, but c’mon…
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@AHEM
Back to matter at hand, we already gotten a re-glimpse on Alagaesia’s Elves and the Urgals, what else need re-examining before we can expand onward for the kombat?
@AHEM: When does Galby use that? Eragon made him “understand”, so he couldn’t have been dead.
:”So the Mriswith Queen, at the very least, would just be out for the blood of everything if Shade-ified, right?
Intriguing, to be sure.”
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That’s just what I think. Neither Mriswith nor Shades have much loyalty to any other faction within their worlds, and combined would likely leave her without anything else. It would be pretty difficult to restrain her long enough for the sorcerers to do their work, though.
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“The point that an Urgal got Galbatorix’s 1st dragon killed still stands, right?”
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Yes. Jarnunvösk died in an urgal ambush.
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“Also if you got a worthwhile possible match scenario in mind that the rules are backing up rather than the other way around, for Dragon Age vs Alagaesia to work, I am all ears!”
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It would have to be without the Maker getting involved, or any of the gods worshipped by the various people in Alagaësia who have never appeared. The Archdemon could still be involved, though.
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“Eragon and the others made it that far to have Galbatorix resort to such a spell? o.0′”
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“When does Galby use that? Eragon made him ‘understand’, so he couldn’t have been dead.”
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After the battle between him and the others, he used it to kill himself and simultaneously attempt to take him with them, because the mind rape that Eragon had hit him with had rendered him unwilling to live with himself anymore.
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“Is there more that Alagaesia has to offer to fight off the Sword of Truth invaders?”
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I’m still thinking that Shruikan is really the force to beat. We never get a precise measurement of his size, but it was mentioned in the chapters “Fire in the Night,” and “The Name of All Names,” that the spikes along his back were as thick as oak trees, could kill a lesser dragon with a swipe of his paw, and could breathe jets of fire as wide as rivers. The D’Haran army was significantly halted in “Confessor” by the actions of one dragon, Gregory, who wasn’t described with anywhere near the immense size of Shruikan. And he could have wards protecting him at all times, and possibly even Galbatorix at his back. And he wants nothing more than to burn and destroy all life until there is nothing left. If he’s set unleashed against the SoT armies with wards protecting him and a clutch of Eldunarya to bolster them, I’m not sure what it will take to finally bring him down. He could wipe out entire forces by himself.
@AHEM
So needless to say, as long as the Queen is still alive, the Mriswith will remain a constant pain to get rid of for the Alagaesians, right?
I figured as much within an Urgal Ambush, actually.
Fair enough, although its not quite clear whether or not the ArchDemon is meant to be the Avatar of an Old D.A-verse god, as the General pointed out, all that’s clear is that the ArchDemon is essentially the DarkSpawn’s low-scaled response to the Tyranids’ SwarmLord, essentially, but beyond that…I can’t recall much else except Morrigan’s ritual being required for it to be kept, its not even clear to me anymore if Flemeth’s Morrigan’s ‘mother’, so to speak, let alone in the same kind of fashion we might hear Hekate ‘mother’ her ‘children’/creations, for that matter!
So Eragon managed to catch him off-guard with that nasty piece of work of a spell, right? o.0′
Shruikan is one of the nastiest pieces of work to deal with, if a CHB vs Alagaesia match happens it’ll be all the worse even with Jason’s original boot camp factored in, because with Galbatorix + Shruikan alive, this may have the potential to take a long while/
That’s without Murtagh factored in, to boot.
How much of the Sword of Truth armies do you think Galbatorix + Shruikan could inevitably wipe out, if they remain unchecked on the fields?
So when will Mazrim return to the site? ;_;’
“So needless to say, as long as the Queen is still alive, the Mriswith will remain a constant pain to get rid of for the Alagaesians, right?”
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Yes. Without the Queen, the Mriswith really have little or no way of reproducing.
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“Fair enough, although its not quite clear whether or not the ArchDemon is meant to be the Avatar of an Old D.A-verse god”
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An Archdemon is an Old God corrupted by the Darkspawn taint. I wouldnt’ preclude the AD or the OG from participating, though, as they seem to be merely very large and powerful dragons who have a tactic to cheat death.
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“How much of the Sword of Truth armies do you think Galbatorix + Shruikan could inevitably wipe out, if they remain unchecked on the fields?”
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It would be a question of what it would take to kill them. Their wards would absorb just about every attack thrown at them, so unless subtractive magic could pierce those wards, then they could conceivably just tank every attack, and if their vast stores of energy ran low, they could retreat and wait until their power had returned, and attack again.
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There aren’t a lot of things in SoT that are likely to kill them. Richard Rahl by himself would probably be defeated. Nicholas might succeed, if he can get close enough to use his soul-stealing attack and doesn’t get killed while he’s concentrating on one target. A bunch of very powerful Sisters of the Dark linked could unleash a lot of magical destruction and possibly bring them down, but that bit of magic is untested and dangerous, and unless the SotD have the Rahl Bond, then Galbatorix or Shruikan could easily attack their minds and subdue them, just as Jagang did in “Stone of Tears.”
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Since the wards in Alagaësia can be penetrated by certain enchanted weapons, I’d normally leave that open as a possibility. However, the Sword of Truth once failed to penetrate a shield cast by a Sister of the Dark in “Stone of Tears,” and only managed to penetrate it with the White Magic, so maybe not.
If the Mriswith queen somehow becomes a Shade, its gonna render whether or not the Queen is still fertile or not to be a very moot point, considering both sides would be heading for the hills to make a run for it rather than stay and find out for themselves, right?
There isn’t enough that’s fully explained on the Old Gods, other than that they could become avatars for the ArchDemon, and a fair point for such a universe fight.
So Galbatorix + Shruikan are best-suited for Hitting + Running if they were to take to the fields, themselves, right?
Very Powerful War Party will get you somewhere to properly fight back against the two if you’re on the Sword of Truth side, and what about Jagang vs Galbatorix?
So if nothing can hit Galbatorix + Shurikan to begin with, it becomes as moot a point as trying to get Avada Kedavra or Sectumsempra to hit a Wheel of Time Myrdraal(correct me in spelling if I’m wrong) if you can’t either wound them badly enough or keep them still long enough to inflict the needed hit, right?(granted, hitting them with either would be the least of the worries of the slayer in question, but still…)
@AHEM
How many rapid-regen guys does Alagaesia have on their side?
“So Galbatorix + Shruikan are best-suited for Hitting + Running if they were to take to the fields, themselves, right?”
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Once they tired out, but they wouldn’t just be charging unto the field, attacking, and then retreating before they got attacked. They could withstand a lot of punishment before their wards got worn down, as Galbatorix possesses the Eldunarya of literally hundreds of dragons. They’d only “run” if a very long battle (probably against the vast numbers that SoT can send against them) wears them down. Personally, though, I think it would need to be the heavy hitters of SoT like Richard or the Sisters of the Dark to do that, as the ordinary soldiers will probably be running for their lives when Galbatorix starts obliterating them by the thousands.
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“Very Powerful War Party will get you somewhere to properly fight back against the two if you’re on the Sword of Truth side, and what about Jagang vs Galbatorix?”
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Well, Jagang would be destroyed in a physical fight with Galbatorix, since he doesn’t really have any physical powers beyond being a very strong and skilled human warrior. In mental combat, it would be less certain. They’re both among the most powerful telepaths in their respective worlds, and have demonstrated great skill at invading, breaking, manipulating, and controlling the minds of others, and take great pleasure in it. However, I’d be inclined to say that Galbatorix would win that contest, as he has shown incredible power in both attacking and defending against other minds, against those with and without magic. Jagang, while virtually unstoppable against unshielded opponents, has never encounted or defended himself against another telepath, as he is the only Dreamwalker in SoT, canonically has difficulty in taking over and controlling the minds of those without magic, and was totally stumped when he faced an actual shield meant to thwart telepathy (the Rahl Bond).
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“So if nothing can hit Galbatorix + Shurikan to begin with, it becomes as moot a point as trying to get Avada Kedavra or Sectumsempra to hit a Wheel of Time Myrdraal(correct me in spelling if I’m wrong) if you can’t either wound them badly enough or keep them still long enough to inflict the needed hit, right?(granted, hitting them with either would be the least of the worries of the slayer in question, but still…)”
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There are two d’s in Myrddraal.
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If there isn’t a SoT weapon that can bypass Galbatorix’s wards outright, then it would be next to impossible to either bring him down or immobilize him long enough to pound him with enough damage. Not only would it require a really freaking enormous amount of firepower, but Galbatorix and Shruikan could easily just fly away if they felt that they were getting low on energy. Or potentially drain more from Imperial Order soldiers who don’t have the Rahl Bond to protect them. Or summon Murtagh, Thorn, the Ra’zac, and the Lethrblaka to cover their retreat.
“How many rapid-regen guys does Alagaesia have on their side?”
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What do you mean by “rapid-regen”? Characters who can heal themselves, or those who can quickly be replaced by others (as in armies)?
@AHEM
This is exactly if they don’t immediately have Murtagh + Thorn to worry about, as although unless those two get the Eldunari of Galbatorix + Eragon’s to access, they might be the least of their worries, they aren’t exactly to be ignored outright either, right?
Yikes…the idea that Galbatorix could get Jagang mono-a-mono, but Army-vs-Army might still be up in the air…why do I get the nagging hunch that this kind of reminds me of the matter with Voldemort vs Ganondorf, in which I admitted that Voldemort would be outlasted via Ganondorf eventually, if the two had sent their armies to fight each other off with, it could go either way?
Thanks for the spell-check correction, the point still stands that those things are pains to hit, and if you aren’t capable of fighting smart, hitting them would = the least of your worries, right?
So a lot of it might depend on what the sequel to the Omen Machine might have to reveal as to whether or not the SoT side can find anything to get Galbatorix for sure with certainty with, right?
@AHEM on #467
People who can rapidly heal themselves instead of being replaced outright, a la more Wolverine-esque and less armies!
“Yikes…the idea that Galbatorix could get Jagang mono-a-mono, but Army-vs-Army might still be up in the air…why do I get the nagging hunch that this kind of reminds me of the matter with Voldemort vs Ganondorf, in which I admitted that Voldemort would be outlasted via Ganondorf eventually, if the two had sent their armies to fight each other off with, it could go either way?”
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Given Alagaësia’s disadvantage in pure numbers, Jagang would be much more useful as a general, or perhaps by attempting to break the minds of important Alagaësian characters from a distance, given the vast range of Dreamwalking. (Can reach targets countries and continents away, I believe, and has never shown an upper distance limit.)
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“Thanks for the spell-check correction, the point still stands that those things are pains to hit, and if you aren’t capable of fighting smart, hitting them would = the least of your worries, right?”
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Yeah, Galbatorix and Shruikan are too dangerous to fight without some method of countering their strengths devised in advance. Their power and durability are very high for this battle.
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“So a lot of it might depend on what the sequel to the Omen Machine might have to reveal as to whether or not the SoT side can find anything to get Galbatorix for sure with certainty with, right?”
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Well, I’d be more concerned if anything already shown in SoT could potentially bypass their wards. The white magic of the SoT probably could. Confession probably couldn’t, nor could a witch women’s power, as Galbatorix has mind shields and death words. Subtractive magic is probably SoT’s best bet.
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“People who can rapidly heal themselves instead of being replaced outright, a la more Wolverine-esque and less armies!”
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Hmm…healing magic is pretty restricted in both series. Alagaësian magic allows healing spells, but they are often long and complicated, and require the user to at least withdraw from battle to heal themselves, unless they have other magicians to heal them from a distance, which is less efficient because of the distance. They could use this power on others, so presumably anyone could be healed provided that their injuries weren’t too severe. (Like missing internal organs or being sliced open.) The closest to rapid regeneration are probably the small enchanted objects that Murtagh created. With one of them, he healed Thorn’s damaged wing in seconds. Maybe with a little encouragement he could mass-produce those, and so others how to make them.
So if Galbatorix vs Jagang has to be suggested, best to go with Army-vs-Army for the matter?
Let’s be glad that the Sword of Truth side has yet to worry about colony drops on their collective skulls since its doubtful the Alagaesians could pull it off if they wished, right?
If Subtractive Magic fails to hit Galbatorix, moot point is moot if they don’t hit him in time?
So in this sense, the Potter-world + dot.hack Magic Systems Still >>> Alagaesia’s own Magic System in respects to healing spells and such, right?
@AHEM
With the only possible exception being Murtagh, do you know anyone in Alagaesia who could kill the One-Winged Angel from Final Fantasy 7?
Murtagh alone isn’t that impressive, in fact, Eragon with Eldunarya is stronger. Galby’s way stronger. Weren’t those healing objects Eldunarya?
@Epic
Murtagh is confirmed to be smarter and an overall better fighter than Eragon is, though, even when admittedly speaking Eragon + Murtagh together by themselves(with only back-up from their respective dragons + the Eldunari) actually might have good odds against Sephiroth if anyone asks me.
Whether or not the two of them can succeed in getting rid of him is another matter entirely.
Point still stands that give Murtagh enough Eldunari, and trying to live long enough to reach Galbatorix would be the least of SoT’s worries, really.
Meantime, how do you think Post-Dragon Rider-ified Arya will be of use to the Alagaesians’ cause of defense, as it stands?
@AHEM
Is there more to add to this match, or are we better off awaiting for Mazrim to return?
@AHEM
Are you there?
Anyone who has natural precog on the side of the Alagaesians?
“do you know anyone in Alagaesia who could kill the One-Winged Angel from Final Fantasy 7?”
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No because nobody in Alagaesia stacks up to Sephiroth in strength, speed, durability and destructive capacity
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lol @ Murtagh standing a chance against Sephiroth
@CC: Yes, Arya will be of use, depending on how many gems she’s got saved up. I don’t think anyone has precog, but they have reflexes enough that it shouldn’t matter.
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@SR: How powerful is Sephy? Also, how durable, what’s his DC, etc?
Durability: Survived being plummeted through several layers of steel, concrete and glass (ie, a skyscraper) without losing any momentum whatsoever and emerged unscathed
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DC: Casually cuts massive steel and concrete buildings in to peices with casual one handed swings and shattered a massive section of a skyscraper (bigger than a shopping mall btw) with a whack of his sword (yes this is striking strength btw)
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He’s also supersonic (deflects bullets with his sword), can leap several hundred meters into the air, has teleportation and supersonic flight
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Yeah
So now we await AHEM, once more at any rate, right?
@AHEM
Are you okay?
“So in this sense, the Potter-world + dot.hack Magic Systems Still >>> Alagaesia’s own Magic System in respects to healing spells and such, right?”
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I don’t know anything about dot.hack magic, and I’ve never seen much healing in Harry Potter other than injured characters being healed over a short period of time by the magic of another.
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“With the only possible exception being Murtagh, do you know anyone in Alagaesia who could kill the One-Winged Angel from Final Fantasy 7?”
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Don’t know, I’ve never played Final Fantasy 7 and don’t really have much information on the exact extents of his power. Even in the few times I commented on matches involving him, I usually went by more technical details. (“Sephiroth doesn’t have a weapon capable of harming Superman/Ganondorf” for instance.) But from what I do know, he would likely be too extreme in his physical abilities for characters in the Inheritance Cycle to handle.
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“Anyone who has natural precog on the side of the Alagaesians?”
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Nope. The closest are the vague premonitions of future events that Eragon gets in his dreams.
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“Is there more to add to this match, or are we better off awaiting for Mazrim to return?”
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I don’t know if that would be such a good idea, as he might not even return. I haven’t seen or communicated with him since the days when I was a full-time commentor, so I really couldn’t say. It’d be nice if he did return, but it seems a small thing to rely upon. He might have just moved on with his life with no intent to return to this site. That was definitely the direction that I was going in for awhile.
@AHEM
The dot.hack universe has spells that can completely heal wounds like Repth and other spells like it(Phal Repth is the most powerful version of said spell, in fact), and the Potter-world has spells like Episkey and the spell that Snape used on Draco Malfoy during the events of Half-Blood Prince after he got Sectumsempra’d to the face.
Granted in general not quite to the levels of the Dresden Files, let alone Wheel of Time, when it comes to healing magic and such, but hey, we all know they have to start somewhere.
Yikes!
He’s capable of soloing all of Alagaesia even if the exact same conditions like on this match were to apply?
Not good.
Then the Alagaesians are gonna have to play by gut hunches if they expect to get rid of the Sword of Truth onslaught, right?
I’m mostly glad you’re back, whether or not Mazrim may return is something we need to let Time itself make a verdict upon, but just as I badly hope to get Murtagh a worthwhile match on the site itself, I hope that if/when college hits you won’t be too troubled to check in, every now and then, that’s for sure.
What about Pondering Fool, AHEM?
What are the odds that he might even get back with half as much frequency as you’re doing, for that matter?
Not sure if I’ll bring anything new to this match but I’ll do what I can.
As has been said Galbatorix and Shurikan alone could wipe out a standard army of men with swords and shields and armor and not break a sweat in a manner of speaking.
And there is one way the three dragon riders could pull a taking you and your little army with me on SoT. They could turn themselves into nukes proportionate to their power as demonstrated by the Dragon Rider that did that on the island of the riders. That would be a good last ditch I’m dead either way tactic but it’s there none the less. Even if all the heavy hitters try and tackle Galbatorix he could with his last effort take every last one of them with him.
Galbatorix could also break the minds of some of the more powerful foes if they faced him one on one and he would probably win easily.
“Then a blade of thought, honed to an infintesimal point
Okay for some reason it sent here’s the whole quote
“Then a blade of thought, honed to an infinitesimal point, pierced Eragon’s consciousness and sheathed itself in the marrow of his being. The blade twisted and like a cocklebur lodged within a batt of felt, it tore at the fabric of his mind, seeking to destro his will, his identity, his very awareness.
It was an attack unlike any Eragon had experienced. He shrank from it and concentrated upon a single thought—–revenge——as he struggled to protect himself. Through their contact, he could feel Galbatorix’s emotions: anger, mainly, but also a savage joy at being able to hurt Eragon and watch him writhe in discomfort.
The reason, Eragon realized, that Galbatorix was so good at breaking the minds of his enemies was because it gave him a perverse pleasure.”
Eragon was struggling to fight back and he has the ability to defend himself. A person would either need a lot of power and will or a lot of mental combat skill to be able to survive let alone force Galbatorix out.
and sorry for triple post. going to look for stuff on Shurikan’s size. I know he was basically most of Galbatorix’s throne room.
Shurikan is an absolute monster Saphira is able to stand on his neck at the base of his skull.
“…Saphira sprang upward and landed aop his neck, close to the base of his bony skull.” Considering how big Saphira is and she can be on his neck Shurikan is probably the largest dragon seen in series by an enormous margin.
here’s what happens if Galbatorix does get beaten.
“The ground rumbled and shook; then the front of the citadel exploded outward in a wall of white and yellow flame so bright, Roran saw the bones withing the archers neck and head, his flesh like a red gooseberry held before a candle.
Roran grabbed the archer and rolled off the edge of the stone block, pulling the other man with him.
A blast of sound struck them as they fell. It felt as if spikes were being driven into Roran’s ears. He screamed but he could not hear himself——-or, after the initial clap of thunder, could he hear anything else. The cobblestones bucked underneath them, a cloud of dust and ebris hurtled over them, blotting out the sun, and a massive wind tore at Roran’s clothes.
The dust forced Roran to squeeze his eyes shut. All he could do was cling to the archer and wait for the upheaval to subside. He tried to take a breath, but the heated wind snatched the air from his lips and nose before he could fill his lungs. Something struck his head, and he felt his helmet fly off.
The shaking went on and on, but at last the ground grew still again and Roran opened his eyes, afraid of what he would see.
the air was gray and dim; objects past a few hundred feet were lost in the haze. Small chunks of wood and stone rained from the sky, along with flakes of ash. A piece of timber that lay across the street from him——part of a flight of stairs the elves had broken when they destroyed the gate——was burning. The heat of the explosion had already charred the beam along its full length. The warriors who had been standing in the open now lay flat on the ground some still moving, others clearly dead.
Roran glanced at the archer. The man had bitten through his bottom lip; blood coated his chin.
They helped each other off the ground, and Roran looked toward where the citadel had been. He could see nothing but gray darkness.”
Eragon survived that because he had an idea of what was coming. If anyone on SoT does manage to get Galbatorix to the point of using that they won’t know what’s coming and thus not know what to do until they are wiped out. Of course that’s on the off chance the do get through his defenses. Unless they kill him instantly he’ll be fine.
@Admiral
This right there makes it all the more of a beyotch to plan out a possible Camp Half-Blood vs Alagaesia fight, doesn’t it?
Then again if 1st death wins is left out, it shouldn’t be anything the dot.hack universe can’t be expected to fight off, I’m sure.
Still…if Saphira happens to be gargantuan and yet Shurikan is far bigger than that, something is wrong. o.0′
I think that Oromis, Galbatorix, and Eragon could just break the ground beneath the SoT armies. Or kill them in any number of other ways. Oromis said he could move a mountain, Mutagh and Eragon are more powerful, or as powerful, and Galbatorix is possibly more powerful than all of them combined.
How many tons is a mountain?
Its doubtful that its of 300+ tons, unless we’re talking Galbatorix(possible exception to the rule) then again no one ever asks me about why I have doubts.
“How many tons is a mountain?
Its doubtful that its of 300+ tons”
LMFAO.
@Epic
I suppose I should have specified. -__-’
I meant an Alagaesian Mountain, to be more precise.
Its not like either side has to deal with Chubby Starkiller vs Fat Kerrigan, is it?
Alagaesian mountains are the same size as normal mountains. I’d guess he meant one in the Spine, not a Beor; they’re 10-20 miles.
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Also, I finally got a FactPileTopia account.
300+ tons is still enough to punch an Alagaesian Dragon Rider’s head clean off, if the blow was allowed to connect, just so you know.
Luckily for the Alagaesians, its not clarified if any individual SoT fighter can lift and/or hold even 100+ tons, so moot point is moot.
Anyone else want in?
@AHEM
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