Suggested by AHEM
Well, AHEM certainly knows how to get a lot of his suggestions posted…Anyways, this is a fun match that I will have to stay out of since we all know which side I’m going with. In fact, I’m pretty sure Richard could win the entire match by himself.
The battle takes place with both continents on the same world, with all characters and creatures (minus gods) available at full power to fight.
Which side wins?
At any rate, here is one thing i will hope for from the main and major factions of the alliance for once you post the vs fight, Blood Dancer, and its a quote from Thomas Edward Lawrence!
[center]“Mankind has had ten-thousand years of experience at fighting and if we must fight, we have no excuse for not fighting well.” [/center]
Note that since most of the Sith are human or other species, but from outside galaxies, this could be merely pointing to Earthling humanoids, specifically, and thus it is outdated info, technically speaking.
with everything that has been brought up in the wot vs sot thread i see no way alagaesia can win against sot.
-sot has nuke sized lightweb constructed magic that can be triggered in any means by anyone(and of any size desired in physical object they are in), dozen+mile dome shields and ground shields to protect with, personal sub.magic shields that last for at least a week that protect against all physical and all magical attacks(unless of nonexistent variety magic). shields/wards that are triggered by anything wanted with intent even by intent of the person trying to overcome/pass them, attacks(sub.&add. magic lightning explosions) that target only enemies that cover around a mile diameter that are unblockable(unless nothingness magic is involved) that are cast with a thought and point. dragons to travel on to deliver these things(in person or object) that cover 1600 miles a day…..many other things also. does alagaesia have a defense for this?
well since the general consensus was that sot would win and it got side tracked, we should take a vote again to be sure of the consensus.
sword of truth universe + 1
well this thread has been dead for a while, but i thought i’d put up another post that would ensure SoT’s victory and hopefully give them an award for this fight.
-all of this comes from the findings put up in the sot vs wot thread, so if you want quotes of any of this ask and i’ll find and copy paste(all quotes from the books).
-the “boundaries” set up by zedd were in fact not supposed to be boundaries, he only made them stationary so many D’Harans wouldn’t die in the panis rahl vs midlands war when he was young. the “boundaries” are actually 3,000 mile wide(N to S of dahara is what they covered in the book) and was supposed to swipe across the whole country of dhara(about 1000 miles wide).
-richard with knowledge of temple of the winds could cast these(they are not consructed magic) along with 7 other war wizards(in spirit form….complicated but yes).
-with the speed scarlet and gregory can fly, and with sub.magic and add.magic protecting the dragons and riders, they can cover 6,000 x 2,000 miles a day.
-gars have shown they can carry(with a little magical help) wizards also, that’s up to 5x more area/day(depending on how the world’s land masses are connected).
-the “boundaries” are areas of the underworld mixed with the world of life, where anything living that touches it is killed instantly.
shame this thread should die after being well fought and a winner (sot) being obvious and deserving of an award……
Exactly what in the way of elite Blacksmiths would the SoT side have among them, to help co-ordinate the war effort by supplying epic-level weaponry, might i ask?
Its just something i wish to know, actually.
@commander cross
-not much is said about blacksmiths in sot. there were mention of nice swords and armor throughout the book, but nothing known of them other than certain types of troops have them. molded hard leather(perfect form following), chain mail, breast plates, almost full cover helmets, argons(specialized spear), various plate armors, spiked bucklers……things like that. there is a kind of steel mentioned once that was called “poison steel” that was said to kill even if it was only a small cut. that’s mentioned where the most about weapons and armor is talked about, when Nicci is remanising about her dad who made weapons and armor of very high quality to a point where kings would travel from great distances to order and custom fit armor…..but that was 150+ years ago from current incarnation of sot.
-in terms of what they can do without pis inhibiting them with weapons and magic though is another story. every weapon could be made with touch and vocal command to completely engulf anything in fire, become psychicly voiced walkie talkies(caster speaks through the object and can hear through it also), literally make perfect copies of the sword of truth every second(richard did this in temple of the winds book), make other weapons that act like the sot in terms of cutting through anything like it isn’t there(sister liliana used one a young wizard made for her against richard and it cut through trees without slowing).
-then there’s the concept of making anything into a constructed magic holding item. any spell ever seen in the sot series can be put into an object and activated by anyone that knows the trigger, which can be literally anything, even the enemies fear of it being possible(this is actually said). imagine every solider being able to cast(once) additive and subtractive lightning explosions that clear a mile diameter area of any unfriendlies and leave friendlies alone. or if magical protection is on a solider, they could have a light web explosive spell put in their weapon that blows up like an atomic bomb(can quote this if you want, it killed around 1million people)
-on a side note though, all of the new world army(last named “The Phantom D’Haran Legions” by richard rahl) has all been trained by the d’harans for roughly 6 years(durration of the war) and all were cavalry at the end of the series. so about 1,000,000 d’haran trained cavalry available if wanted.
“Most of our army is made up of D’Haran forces and the rest we have trained. These men know what is at stake. They are not green recruits. They are experienced soldiers who know how to fight. We also have Verna and her Sisters, who had proven themselves. ” ch.24 phantom
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“A bearded officer gestured out at the camp. “There’s not nearly enough horses to turn the whole army into cavalry.”
“Then you need to quickly find horses for all the men,” Cara said. “Get them wherever you can.”
The officer scratched his beard as he considered. He smiled at Cara. “Don’t you worry, we’ll find a way to do just that.”
Another man spoke up. “I know of a number of places in D’Hara where horses are raised. I think we can gather what we’ll need in relatively short order.” When Richard nodded his approval, he tapped a fist to his heart. “I’ll see to it immediately,” he said before making his way out into the rain.”ch.25 phantom
With all these new findings as it has been at least 5 months since we last came in here, then if AHEM should return here, we can begin to tally in what new info on Alagaesia’s war plans can be offered by the latest novel!
Where to begin?
We must add whole new content to this match-up, otherwise AHEM will never return to the site, at all.
So how do we get started on that new content?
To resume the kombat?
Go Alagaesia! *goes to read thread before randomly posting feats*
“So how do we get started on that new content?”
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Yeah, I guess bringing up some fresh perspectives would be necessary, seeing as how, for a while, this thread was mostly taken up by a certain wanker posting, “SoT is unstoppable! SoT wins! Alagaesia stands no chance! SoT for the FP award!”
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It’s been a while since I’ve been on this thread. I think a few new variables and views need to be considered. I’m not entirely certain I still view the two magic systems the same way as I did when I first posted here. Hmm…
non scientist tom cruise ftw
@AHEM
The Magic Systems are still pretty close, or at least as close as the Potter-world and dot.hack Magic Systems in general, I’ll say.
So where to begin with Eragon and Murtagh in regards to latest power levels among other things?
So how do we return to the kombat?
Do we start with a discovery of new battlefield tactics, or do we discuss whether or not either side grew any brain cells?
Anyone else want in on the match in here?
@AHEM
Are you still in there?
Even if you aren’t there, I feel your word ought to be said as well as that of Riverlia’s to let me know if Tenchi Masaki vs Eragon has potential, given that we’re not using Tenchi’s Original!-version so much as we’re using his Universe!-self for this fight, Or even Haseo vs either Eragon or Murtagh, whichever one would be better, in fact?(Truth be told if we’re talking in CQC, its possible that Haseo vs Murtagh could go either way, but that might depend on whether or not Haseo has a chance to get through Eragon 1st!)
So what else does everyone have to report their findings in this match?
@Commander Cross:
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I have no idea who Tenchi Masaki or Haseo are, what they’re capable of, or how they would do in a fight against either of those.
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Really, I never got involved in threads like that, discussing matches before requesting them, even when I regularly commented on this site. If I thought two characters could battle without either side stomping, I just requested it immediately, usually after a short google search to get the gist of each side’s abilities. And I haven’t been able to find much detailed information about either of those two in that way.
I’m going to post this before I read the match. Why does admin think Rahl could solo Alagaesia?
“I’m going to post this before I read the match. Why does admin think Rahl could solo Alagaesia?”
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I’m pretty sure he was just exaggerating a bit to show his confidence that Sword of Truth could take this.
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Back when this match was in it’s early days, I think I posted a rebuttal to the idea, citing characters such as Murtagh and Galbatorix who could potentially defeat Richard by themselves.
Now, I’ve only read the first two inheritance books, and it’s been a while on top of that, but can’t it’s magic not only kill with a thought, but much more importantly can use the life-force of others to full it…
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I have a vague memory of a Vs somewhere where it was thought that Eragon could kill something like a wrath hive-ship just by using it’s life-force to do something really big and reckless with his magic.
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I’m I just misremembering, or something?
“I have a vague memory of a Vs somewhere where it was thought that Eragon could kill something like a wrath hive-ship just by using it’s life-force to do something really big and reckless with his magic.”
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I was actually wanting to say “ridicules”, but I guess “reckless” is good too.
@AHEM at #321
Truth be told, in that 3-vs-2 universe fight the Admiral GuardianAngel1911 and I(among others) are working out the specs for, I’d insist with good reason or just cause that if anyone thought Dresden could solo the side going against the Butcher Side*(which against it would be the Potter-world, the dot.hack universe and Camp Half-Blood) I could just say that Kite or Haseo(both from the dot.hack*pronounced dot hack* universe) could just solo Dresden by themselves and save the even heavier hitters from the 3 against the Butcher side causes for migraines.
I don’t doubt Murtagh’s odds against Richard Rahl if he has to engage Rahl on his own, his odds are definitely better than that of Eragon’s for sure on an overall basis, given how Murtagh’s more CQC orientated than Eragon is, among other things.
Its more like will he get the chance that I’d be a lot more worried about, really.
The Sword of Truth side has massive numbers on their side, but the Alagaesian factions are probably more warfare-orientated overall than a lot of the individual SoT factions, despite that the individual SoT factions outnumber the Alagaesian factions on their own, right?
1.) (The Butcher Side consists of the Dresden Files + Codex Alera, in fact, both are from the minds of Jim Butcher himself!)
“Now, I’ve only read the first two inheritance books, and it’s been a while on top of that, but can’t it’s magic not only kill with a thought, but much more importantly can use the life-force of others to full it…”
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The closest to killing with a thought are the twelve words of death, which work by using a very small amount of energy to do very specific damage to a person’s internal body, such as a severed artery near the heart. They allow a magician to kill an almost unlimited number of unshielded enemies, but are very easily blocked by basic wards and shields because of how little actual force they have behind them. They are considered fairly advanced magic and not something that the average Alagaesian magician would have, though they could still be taught, as anyone would have enough energy to use them.
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As for using the life force of others to fill it, there is a very advanced and rarely known technique to do so. It involves first entering the mind of the target, and then drawing the energy from their body into the caster, a container such as a gem, or used to fuel a spell. Eragon, Oromis, and Arya are the only ones confirmed to have this ability, with Galbatorix and Murtagh having it being possible but never confirmed.
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According to an interview with Christopher Paolini, Eragon is quite limited in his use of this technique because he hasn’t fully mastered the skill, and it takes time to fully drain even a single human of energy. Eragon mainly uses it for things like taking the energy of plants to revitalize himself when he’s running low on energy.
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Such a talent would be more useful against the Imperial Order, I think, as the Rahl bond would make entering a D’Haran or Midlander’s mind and stealing their energy impossible.
“The Sword of Truth side has massive numbers on their side, but the Alagaesian factions are probably more warfare-orientated overall than a lot of the individual SoT factions, despite that the individual SoT factions outnumber the Alagaesian factions on their own, right?”
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What do you mean by “warfare oriented”?
@AHEM
More inclined to wage war amongst each other, in relative comparison?
Then again…I’m the sort of guy to try to consider Alagaesia vs the Warhammer Fantasy Race known as the Skaven, but I needed a hand to try to make sure the match is as fair to both sides as possible. T_T
The Potter-world’s AK may be the better to the death-words, but the Average(at least for the Modern Potter-world) Potter-world Practictioner in question’s not exactly up to par enough to cast it in time, and while casting it non-verbally is potentially possible, trying to keep the thought guarded is the tricky part.
Wheel of Time’s Balefire hands down beats both though, NQA both in effectiveness and with the power system practitioners to back them up!
I digress, though, and instead will note that there’s probably more SoT factions for Alagaesia to worry about that have to be added to the list next.
As far as magic goes, that of Alagaësia offers great advantages, but in my mind, even greater disadvantages. The simple rules states that “casting a spell with magic cost as much energy as would be lost to do the task by mundane means.” And yes, it is controlled by thought. In a split-second, Eragon and the other magicians of Alagaësia are capable of nearly-effortlessly slaying any foe that is not properly warded via the use of Deyja or another word of death.
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The downside is that energy for casting these spells is much more finite than in most magical universes. This is why Eragon never defeated armies himself.
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Though Galbatorix ended up being quite formidable in the final book of the series, I’m with Sword of Truth on this one.
“More inclined to wage war amongst each other, in relative comparison?”
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I wouldn’t say so. Alagaesia had nearly 2,600 years of peace, followed by a violent upheavel that overthrew the established order and led to a long period of conflict, then battles with every faction against the Empire. The world of the Sword of Truth, on the other hand, has had constant warfare throughout the Old World for the last several decades as the Imperial Order conquered it, a massive war between two factions in the New World a generation before the books begin, a second attempt by one of those factions to take over the other during the first book, periodic skirmishes between factions within the Midlands both before and after this conquest, (Galea and Kelton) and then an all-out war between the New and Old Worlds. In fact, the Imperial Order and D’Hara were both formed by military conquest, and the Midlands is a confederation of lands brought together for the sole purpose of winning a war!
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If anything, I’d say that SoT is more prone to civil wars and internal conflicts than Alagaesia.
“The downside is that energy for casting these spells is much more finite than in most magical universes. This is why Eragon never defeated armies himself.”
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When I was debating on this thread years ago, I figured that the two magic systems were mostly equal but that Inheritance had some important advantages. Now, I’m not so sure. SoT spellcasters do tend to use up their energy and have limits, but they also tend to take energy from their surroundings (for instance, to power Wizard’s Fire) or draw their power from the Underworld, and Richard had used much more energy in some of his spells than any human body could possibly contain. But then, higher-tier Inheritance characters can draw energy from lifeforms around them (but not ambient energy in the world), and augment their physical and mental magic with Eldunarya.
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Yeah, there are quite a few variables that are going to need to be considered. I’m not sure how the spellcasters at different levels would match up with each other.
@AHEM on #’s 329 + 330
How you feel on the Alagaesian + SoT Magic Systems is exactly my general view on the Potter-world and dot.hack magic systems, actually, both of them are mostly on equal grounds, but one of them has an easier time warping reality in comparison with the other, even though the other isn’t too lacking in the reality-warping departments, either.
So the Sword of Truth side is more bound to wage war against each other than Alagaesia is on an overall basis, right?
Interesting.
“So the Sword of Truth side is more bound to wage war against each other than Alagaesia is on an overall basis, right?
Interesting.”
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Yes. Thinking about it now, I’m pretty sure that SoT has been pretty violent with each other for the past 3,000 years or so. They fought a continent-spanning Great War back then, and both the New and Old Worlds were made up of dozens to hundreds of separate kingdoms and nations that periodically warred with each other until they were united, by warfare and conquest, into the larger factions of the books forty some years before “Wizard’s First Rule.”
@AHEM
Obviously, not quite as violent as Wheel of Time happened to be if we were to judge on an overall basis, yet still pretty violent, right?
I can’t even be sure between the Modern Potter-world and the dot.hack universe for which of the two is more violent than the other, I do know that Camp Half-Blood and the Dresden Files have overall more violent legacies than both, though, if that counts!(and the latter 2 also share legit common grounds with the former 2 in having connections of some kind or another with the times of the Round Table and other such matters, to boot!)
If you were to ask me on CHB vs Codex Alera in regards to a more violent past overall, even I have to admit that tough call is tough!
So how do we know whether or not a more violent past between worlds might necessarily produce better soldiers + warriors, in fact?
“So how do we know whether or not a more violent past between worlds might necessarily produce better soldiers + warriors, in fact?”
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Well, you were the one who brought the “warfare oriented” idea up. You tell me.
“But then, higher-tier Inheritance characters can draw energy from lifeforms around them (but not ambient energy in the world), and augment their physical and mental magic with Eldunarya.”
-The Eldunari are the greatest threat. Absorbing energy is far from an instant process, as previously mentioned, and the great downside is that exhausting Alagaësia’s magic equates to destroying it’s life. Were Galbatorix and his Eldunari to strike down some key enemies across great distance, that could very well put Christopher’s world ahead of Sword of Truth. But then, I don’t know the latter’s full capability.
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The elves are not to be overlooked, either. As far as elves go, Christopher’s are somewhat overpowered.
“Christopher’s are somewhat overpowered.”
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That sums up just about everything Paloni wrote except the baseline humans (whom suck and are told that they suck) and his dragons (which are merely deus ex machinas in physical form, so yeah, in a way they too are also overpowered).
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Lame writting is lame.
I’ve been thinking a little about the magic systems, and I’m pretty sure that the average wizard in SoT would be superior in raw power to any Alagaësian human magician. SoT wizards and sorceresses with subtractive magic, such as Darken Rahl or the Sisters of the Dark, would probably be more on the level of elves, being physically weaker but probably with more powerful offensive magic (mainly through subtractive magic, again). I’m not sure whether a War Wizard like Richard would be comparable to Murtagh, Eragon with the Eldunarya from Vroengard, or Galbatorix, as we’ve never really seen the upper limits and details of these characters’s magic.
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A lot of it will probably come down to the smaller details within the magic systems, rather than raw power. Imperial Order wizards and sorceresses would probably have a large disadvantage against most Alagaësian magicians, due to them not having the Rahl bond to protect against mental attacks. Alagaësia will still face some pretty catastrophic defeats through the death words until they figure out what’s going on and have their wizards create full-time wards for their armies.
“Lame writting is lame.”
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Not to be rude, but this is about combat between the two series, not a discussion of the quality of the writing.
“Lame writting is lame.”
-He looks much more mature and gentlemanly than I expected him to, however. And I did quite enjoy the final installment of his series, although there were those certain aspects…
@AHEM
Only one way to find out for sure(barring cases like Wheel of Time and above where its a confirmed case that’s comfirmed!) and that’s to carry on and resume the bloodbath, shall we?
@Soul and Messenger OriginalA
If its of any comfort or consequence, I got no qualms whatsoever in backing up Camp Half-Blood or the dot.hack universe in a universal war against Alagaesia, what I might have qualms for on the other hand would be how long and bloody such a campaign would become, if it comes down to it, in fact.
If it becomes a stomp-fest otherwise, I’m willing to apply the general First Death Wins stipulation if necessary, because CHB needs some positive credits and receptions already while the dot.hack universe has magic systems on par with the Potter-world overall and have cast members that are equally screwed-up as the Potter-world cast, themselves!
“Imperial Order wizards and sorceresses would probably have a large disadvantage against most Alagaësian magicians, due to them not having the Rahl bond to protect against mental attacks.”
-Perhaps, but I do believe mental attacks on the part of Alagaësians are commonly used only in situations where control is crucial, and against other magicians where staple spells fail; otherwise, more direct spells are faster. The ability to use anything comparable to the death words is also not common for the average magician, though the elves(as a race) continue to outclass the humans magic-wise by a phenomenal amount.
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“I’ve been thinking a little about the magic systems, and I’m pretty sure that the average wizard in SoT would be superior in raw power to any Alagaësian human magician.”
-I almost included such a message in my previous posts. Sufficeth to say, I wholeheartedly agree.
“Perhaps, but I do believe mental attacks on the part of Alagaësians are commonly used only in situations where control is crucial, and against other magicians where staple spells fail; otherwise, more direct spells are faster. The ability to use anything comparable to the death words is also not common for the average magician, though the elves(as a race) continue to outclass the humans magic-wise by a phenomenal amount.”
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You’re undoubtedly right about the death words. However, there is still the possibility that they could be taught to large numbers of lesser Alagaësians for the most efficient war plan possible.
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However, I do believe that the mental attacks will get more use than they usually do in the Cycle once the Alagaësians realize that the majority of their magical foes (Imperial Order) do not have mental barriers as every spellcaster in Alagaësia does. Penetrating the mind of another plays a crucial role in wizard’s duels, and being able to read and influence the thoughts of an enemy during battle is an overwhelming advantage. If you can force an enemy to lie down and accept death, then you don’t need to fight them, just execute them.
Come to think of it, controlling individuals within the Imperial Order’s army could have a lot of uses outside of combat, such as arranging sabotage or covert spying to learn about enemy plans.
Yes.
@AHEM
Have things taken the turn for the more intriguing, as of yet?
I’m of the mind that even a basic Potter-world protego spell can block out the death-words, but since a lot of SoT forces don’t remember to keep up their basic arcane defenses up to begin with, moot point is moot, much?
@Commander Cross- I love you.
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How is it that nearly every single new post of yours contains a mention of either Harry Potter or .hack?
@Soul
Thanks.
And to answer your question, I was just mainly noting how the magic systems of Alagaesia + The Sword of Truth aren’t the only ones with enough legitimate common grounds with each other, that’s the main purpose of why I’d mention it.
I’d add Phantasy Star to the mix, but that’d be overkill of the highest degree.
So where do we begin in expansion between the two sides’ forces?
@AHEM
Any luck to report on the weaponry for both sides that they each have to offer?
OK, this is too long for me to read. Can someone give me a rundown of this match, and tell me who’s winning, and what points are still being debated?
*Plus, since Inheritance, some of those points in the beginning might be irrelevant.
The Dragonlances and Rider’s swords ought to do some damage. Have the Ra’zac or Lethrblaka been brought up? Ro for that matter, any of Alagaësia’s wildlife, especially in Du Weldenvarden and the Bëor Mts?
“Any luck to report on the weaponry for both sides that they each have to offer?”
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Hmmm…
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Well, both tend to use steel armor and weapons extensively in their forces. Magical weapons seem to be more common in Alagaësia, due to the elves’ extensive history of forging magically augmented brightsteel weapons (primarily swords) for themselves and the Riders. In SoT, the only enchanted weapons I can recall are the eponymous weapon itself, and the cursed sword that Liliana forged using rare magics and the tips of used blades. Most of the knowledge of crafting enchanted items has been lost in SoT, but the Sisters of the Dark stand the most chance of creating new ones. There are also the agiels, which are magic, but they’re designed more for torture than for open combat, and would be at a disadvantage against longer weapons.
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Rider’s swords were still rather rare at the time of the books themselves, but there were some number of them in Galbatorix’s possession, and some elves (Arya) wielded elven blades that seemed to be the equal or almost the equal of Rider’s swords. How much of an advantage that Alagaësians can derive from these unbreakable weapons likely depends on how many remained intact in Galbatorix’s collection.
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Magical weapons are another matter. As previously mentioned, SoT will suffer some costly defeats at the hands of the death words until they can learn to place large wards over all of their fighters at all times. Since they have many dedicated specialists in magic in warfare, and are used to finding defenses against new types of dangerous magic introduced quickly, that will probably happen fairly soon, but not before quite a few of their soldiers are killed.
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Subtractive magic is undoubtedly going to be a key weapon for those in SoT who can use it, as it seems unlikely that most wards in Alagaësia will be able to stop it. Not quite sure about Galbatorix’s hundreds of wards, though. He crafted a spell that killed anyone who spoke a name he didn’t want anyone to know, so he’s more than crafty with his spells and defenses.
“The Dragonlances and Rider’s swords ought to do some damage. Have the Ra’zac or Lethrblaka been brought up? Ro for that matter, any of Alagaësia’s wildlife, especially in Du Weldenvarden and the Bëor Mts?”
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Ah, yes, the Dauthdaert. They were especially good at bypassing magical defenses and killing dragons, and would probably see the best use against the dragons of SoT. However, we only ever saw one, and the others are either lost or destroyed.
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As for the wildlife, I think there was a post earlier when someone proposed that Alagaësia would get an advantage by having their magicians take over large numbers of animals and use them against SoT, ranging from sabotage to stopping a cavalry charge. An issue brought up was the question of how many magicians Alagaësia can spare to direct the minds of animals rather than engage in battle.
How does this happen? Is one side invading the other continent, or are they on a neutral continent? Because if it’s the first, and if Alagaësia is being invaded, then the Shrrg, Urzhad, Fanghur, and Nagra oughta be of some use. Otherwise, what about the Name of Names? Three or four people know it, depending on whether this is composite, and it gives almost unlimited power.
“How does this happen? Is one side invading the other continent, or are they on a neutral continent? Because if it’s the first, and if Alagaësia is being invaded, then the Shrrg, Urzhad, Fanghur, and Nagra oughta be of some use. Otherwise, what about the Name of Names? Three or four people know it, depending on whether this is composite, and it gives almost unlimited power.”
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For most of the debate, we’ve been going with the assumption that Alagaësia, being disadvantaged in numbers, will stick to fighting a defensive war, and SoT will go on the offensive and attempt to invade Alagaësia. I presume that, if Alagaësia actually managed to defeat SoT’s armies on their home turf, then they would launch their own invasion of the world of SoT. Also, the battle description states the two continents as being part of the same world for the sake of the match, with each starting in their respective homeland.
Do they have to fight? Though I guess, if you wanted that to be a possibility, this would be a What If… To what direction is the SoT continent? Because if it’s to the west, Humans may have come from there. Of course, that would mean that Ra’zac did, too… Or if it’s to the East, Eragon may have landed there. I’m over thinking this on purpose. Of course, if it’s to the west, but not where Humans or Elves came from, then there could be a war… IMO, this would’ve been much better as a What If?, but it’s not like that can be changed now.
@Epic
Would any of this change the fact that AHEM suggested an epic fight right there?
Not even sure if he read the Mortal Instruments, but if he did, I might need a hand in being able to get a guy who had to fight Eragon to lay some of the pain on Jace Wayland already.
Meantime, What are the Dragonlances like, to be sure?
Also in regards to the numbers of Alagaesian mages…I thought the Shacklebolt!-era MoM was the only group known to be horrendously undermanned as far as anyone can be aware, with regards to numbers. o.0′
I wonder, if someone used the Name of Names to bring down brightsteel, they could outfit an elite battalion with brightsteel armor and weapons.
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Or just kill everyone on the other team. *evil laugh*
Of course, do they have to fight?
@Cross: Split into parts here.
1) Yes, it would then be an epic potential fight
2) What’s MI
3) The Dauthdaerts bypass any magic wards, and are specifically designed to kill dragons
4) What?
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Who does anyone think that HDM would be a good fight against?
“Do they have to fight?”
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Well, yeah. That’s the whole point of “Sword of Truth Vs. Alagaësia,” to determine which faction could defeat the other. Otherwise it would be “What if…Sword of Truth and Alagaësia interacted?” The issue of history wouldn’t really need to be brought up, since the two existing in the same world is just for the sake of them battling each other, not to amend the history of either series.
@Epic
His Dark Materials has better odds against Narnia than the Potter-world does, that’s for sure.(and if anyone even thinks of the dot.hack universe vs Dr. Who, do themselves a favor, look at the Potter-world vs Narnia and then multiply what happened back there via at least Over 9000!!!!That’s how much of a bad idea it would be!)
I’d even give that series at least fairly decent odds against any of the 3 great Star Wars meta-eras(Ancient, Modern or Future, in fact, take your pick as to which one would be best-suited!) and even Supernatural could be worthwhile.
@AHEM on #360
We could just save that for the 3-vs-2 universe fight involving the Butcher Side being the two, in fact, but this isn’t the best place to discuss it, isn’t it?
Is it true there’s a possibility that the Name of Names could warp reality to grant unlimited Brightsteel, or something, though?
Maybe not affect the physical world like that, but he could just remove all bonds and wards in SoT, maybe all their magic, due to Elemental Compatability. Or just kill everyone.
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Hmm… Chances against SW, you say?
@Epic
Only against either Ancient, Modern or Future, the one thing to definitely worry about from the Ancient era alone is Nihilus, I don’t know how Metatron’s meant to fight the thing off, either.
All 3 at once, and not at all, as it stands!
There’s also Supernatural and Inheritance!
Have to read TAS, then I’ll get Metatron’s power. Maybe he’ll give us new stuff in TBOD.
“Is it true there’s a possibility that the Name of Names could warp reality to grant unlimited Brightsteel, or something, though?”
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The Name of All Names can “control the Ancient Language and all who use it. (Eragon, chapter “Magic is the Simplest Thing.”) It has been shown in “Inheritance” to negate any spells and wards that have been created using the Ancient Language, undo thought to be unbreakable oaths made in the AL, render a user impervious to all magic involving the AL, and to prevent everyone within an entire city from using magic through the AL.
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In terms of creating unlimited brightsteel, probably not. Brightsteel is not a naturally occuring element in Alagaësia but rather comes ot their world from meteors that periodically fall, and haven’t fallen in over a hundred years. Magic has never been observed to make these meteors fall, since the elven smith who used brightsteel (and was a powerful magician herself) mentioned that she had great difficulty finding it and that she could no longer forge Rider’s swords because she had run out.
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I suppose it might be possible to somehow create brightsteel or a similar alloy by applying magic in new ways to existing elements, but such has never been shown in the series and is more speculation that probably wouldn’t be plausible.
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The best case for getting large amounts of brightsteel, I say, is for Galbatorix to have saved up most or all of the hundreds or thousands of Rider’s swords that have been made and used throughout the ages, and then giving them to select warriors. Perhaps elves or shades?
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“Maybe not affect the physical world like that, but he could just remove all bonds and wards in SoT, maybe all their magic, due to Elemental Compatability. Or just kill everyone.”
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I don’t think it would be that easy. The magic systems aren’t similar enough for that kind of compatibility. Similar enough for an Alagaësian ward to block some SoT spells, or for a Mord-Sith to steal a magician’s magic perhaps, but not for the Name of All Names to have such power over SoT magic. It only affects magic that uses the Ancient Language, after all. Nonverbal magic, which exists in Alagaësia but doesn’t use the Ancient Language, is not under the domain of Name of All Names. Since SoT magic does not use the Ancient Language (or any verbal components, most of the time), I’d be inclined to say that it would interact with the Name of All Names the way that nonverbal magic does.
If Galbatorix had an army of Dragon Rider weaponry, then if the Alagaesians are permitted to look, they might actually have a legitimate shot of winning this fight?
This keeps getting better and better.
Looks like we’re successfully rebooting the match-up, right?
Galbatorix is dead, anyway. You’re right, I forgot that the Name of Names is the name of the AL, not of magic. Now, if someone knew that…
@Epic
All Characters + Creatures(minus gods) are available for both sides at full power to fight it out!
The Eldunari combined are pretty much gods, but not actually. I think they’ll be very dangerous.
@Epic
Fair point, but I doubt they’d be all too dangerous individually, I know of powers far worse, last time I checked.
Where do the Urgals fit in?
Should they be used to fight against the Mriswith with?
The Urgals are great infantry, especially the Kull. And the Dragons are very dangerous if supporting someone else’s power, or if they feel emotionally driven and work magic. How many Riders does anyone think should be included that Eragon trained?
@Epic
Which Eragon, for that matter?
1st Eragon or Current!-Eragon?
If its the latter, I’d be inclined to suspect he might have trained a few dozen or so, low-balling potency never hurts, plus it prevents outright wankage from breaking out, as far as I see. o.0′
So is the match getting better?
Man I wish Mazrim were here. T_T
“Which Eragon, for that matter?
1st Eragon or Current!-Eragon?
If its the latter, I’d be inclined to suspect he might have trained a few dozen or so, low-balling potency never hurts, plus it prevents outright wankage from breaking out, as far as I see. ”
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Current!Eragon, obviously. The original Eragon never appeared in the books and did most of his notable feats over two and a half thousand years before they began.
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As for Riders that the current Eragon trained, none of them ever appeared in the series itself, with only the possibility of that training happening in the future. The closest to even one would be the information in Eragon’s Guide to Alagaësia, which is framed as being written by Eragon for a new Dragon Rider.
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“Where do the Urgals fit in?
Should they be used to fight against the Mriswith with?”
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I don’t think the urgals would have any more of an advantage over the Mriswith than human or dwarf soldiers would. The Mriswith would be better dealt with by magicians who have found a way to sense them, elves, or the Ra’zac. The Ra’zac are probably the closest Alagaësian equivalent to the Mriswith, though stronger, and fewer in number.
“Man I wish Mazrim were here. T_T”
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Same here. I had a lot of good debates with him back during the “old days.” We’d often reach a sensible conclusion for most debates before the Unspeakable Fanboy even arrived.
@AHEM
So unless stated otherwise or until Paolini shows a major event otherwise, moot point is moot and best to stick with what’s concrete and what isn’t, right?
What about sending in Shades against the Mriswith?
@AHEM
I won’t lie, if we ever see Haseo in another factpile match(hopefully under better, less haunting circumstances to boot!) I’d hope he’d be there if a dot.hack match or two might be planned out.
I thought we were more sensible than that!)
If he only knew the siege match concepts going on, would he not be proud of them all(with the only possible exception being the apparently limp-dick that was just a cosmic monkey wrench tossed in, if anything might have been a spite match that wasn’t suggested by the spitee, that would qualify as it, I mean seriously?Hogwarts is an Anti-Tech zone, you are not supposed to outright pretend it isn’t, that’s like me trying to pretend the dot.hack universe won’t get phased by ATZ’s or Anti-Tech people at all!
I hope this means that Captain Olimar will return to the site soon, its been a while since we last saw him in public, in fact.
@AHEM
So which would be more useful in the long run?
Painless Soldiers or Shades?
“So unless stated otherwise or until Paolini shows a major event otherwise, moot point is moot and best to stick with what’s concrete and what isn’t, right?
What about sending in Shades against the Mriswith?”
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Well, I think it would be fair to assume some small new utilizations of existing powers, such as possibly taking control of animals with one’s mind, since Alagaësia could conceivably think of those uses during the war. However, I would shy off from the more speculative things, such as creating brightsteel.
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Shades would have an easy time destroying Mriswith even in large numbers, provided that they could sense them (which is likely, as they are powered by spirits). If any case, then the Shades would do well to protect themselves with armor and/or wards, as a stealth strike to the heart from a Mriswith could be what ends a Shade.
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“So which would be more useful in the long run?
Painless Soldiers or Shades?”
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One Shade is worth more than a hundred painless soldiers. However, they are much more difficult to create. Creating a Shade requires an individual who is willing to sacrifice their identity and self-control to become a vessel for spirits (or a prisoner who has no choice), and multiple sorcerers to conjure the spirits into their body. Painless soldiers, however, can be mass-produced with a simple spell. Shades are also much harder to control, since once they’re created their idea is basically “kill everything to get revenge for being trapped in this body.” Shades would be a more efficient use of lives in the long run, since one Shade is extremely difficult to kill and painless soldiers mainly get their use out of killing as many of the enemy as possible before they inevitably die of blood loss and wounds that they ignore.
@AHEM
Can a shade be made from any species, not just humans, given the odds?
If so, you got a gut hunch that the fact that its mostly humans that Shades are made out of was at least just as much PIS as whenever we hear a Potter-world spellcaster casting Avada Kedavra outloudly rather than the more effective non-verbal approaches?
@CC: Theoretically.
I have a question. What if you made an anti-Shade? Conjure good spirits, or at least neutral ones into a body.
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Also, how powerful are the Holy Shonen Trinity? Meaning Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo. And how fast? I have a match or two with them that may be good, but I know nothing about them.
@Epic
I’m not sure whether or not that’s possible, though.
As for the Shonen Trinity, frankly as far as I care, the combined might of the Potter-world, the dot.hack universe, Camp Half-Blood, the Dresden Files and Codex Alera is at least enough to wipe them across the floor if it comes down to all-out war, really.
Wheel of Time, on the other hand, even the above-noted 5 can’t expect to do jack$hit against the complete wrath of in an outright universe war, as it stands.
@CC: No offense, but that told me nothing. I meant, what’s the repective DC’s, speeds, etc. of Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo?
@Epic
At least you specified.
Luffy and Ichigo both >>> Naruto in terms of overall speed as far as current fighting-fit incarnations are concerned, but Naruto >>> Ichigo >>> Luffy in terms of firepower.
I’m not the guy to ask for the calcs, best to try asking Officer Galorian instead, or at least His Highness in the King of Heroes/King of Thieves!
Meantime, shall we return to the kombat at hand?
Currently, Galbatorix is dead. I had forgotten that. His Edunari will be of no use here.
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So, imagine the two forces combating each other. Alagaësia has humans, dwarves, urgals, elves, and dragons. I do not know all that Sword of Truth has. If they have nothing on par with Christopher’s elves, though, I doubt they’ll come out on top infantry-wise. Of course, heard something about Sword of Truth outnumbering Alagaësia, which would help to even the odds. I’m simply ignorant in this matter. Thoughts?
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Magically, those from Sword of Truth would suffer vast losses to the Death Words until they conjured wards to protect themselves, which may or may not take a significant while to happen, as everyone to be touched by the words would be incapable of providing intel on what happened.
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As has been discussed, mental invasions, which most, if not all of Alagaësia’s magicians can make use of, would be invaluable tools of control and would be effective if the Sword of Truth forces are not prepared for them. Eragon and the Eldunari, with their combined might, would be capable of killing at great distances. Toppling key leaders , scrying if needed, would be easy and hugely significant.
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All in all, I do think the armies of Alagaësia would crush the opposing forces, but again, i know little of what tactics and powers Sword of Truth could employ in turn.
“Can a shade be made from any species, not just humans, given the odds?”
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“I have a question. What if you made an anti-Shade? Conjure good spirits, or at least neutral ones into a body.”
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According to Christopher Paolini in various interviews, any living creature can potentially become a Shade, and there are no good Shades. Only thoroughly malicious spirits would seek to possess humans, and if spirits are trapped inside a mortal body, their first instinct is, “You will all pay for trapping us in this cold, hard clay!” (Brisingr, chapter “Shadow of Doom.”) Besides, spirits are described as having alien and inhuman minds to the point where they and mortal races consider each other to be incomprehensible, so I don’t think spirits could be neatly classified into “good,” “neutral,” or “evil” categories.
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I think the reason why we only see humans Shades is because only two Shades appear in the entire Cycle, and humans are by far the most numerous race.
“Currently, Galbatorix is dead. I had forgotten that. His Edunari will be of no use here.”
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This match takes place with the conditions that all characters that appeared in the books are available in top condition, aside from gods and similar powers such as the Creator in SoT or the dwarf gods of Inheritance.
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Besides, Factpile debating rules:
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“2. Battle Incarnations
All combatants are considered to be at their current incarnations, or most recent incarnation prior to death and/or incapacitation that would prevent them from engaging in battle at optimum efficiency, within their own continuities unless otherwise specified by the battle’s scenario.”
@AHEM
So in other words, the only known reason why we see only Human-rooted Shades is due to pretty much the same kind of reason why whenever we hear Potter-world killing curses being casted aloud instead of non-verbally when its more effective in the long run, Plot-Induced Stupidity, isn’t it?
Potentially speaking, a Sword of Truth!-War Wizard could do well against a Mauve Shirt!-Dragon Rider or Elf for a while, and it’d be a matter of if they can get their magic to hit either of the two before the D.Rs or Elves in question can close the distance and go for the kill, right?
Of course, that’s not if either of the above(more likely the Elf in question rather than the Dragon Rider) isn’t winded up as a Shade, in which case…yeah, unless the kills are stealth-based, its pretty much ‘Kiss the odds of killing the above and staying alive good-bye,’ pretty much, right?
@Soul
It looks like a possible dot.hack vs Alagaesia universe fight would take a whole lot longer to plan out, in that case, its not enough if you have even minor degree resistances to magic strong enough to disallow you to get simply insta-killed via the Death Words of Alagaesia, when the Alagaesian Magic-users as of late are developing more ways to kill you than just that, isn’t it? T_T’
Although on the bright side of the news, at least things are taking a turn for the more intriguing, right?
Oops, forgot to answer this:
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“Of course, heard something about Sword of Truth outnumbering Alagaësia, which would help to even the odds. I’m simply ignorant in this matter. Thoughts?”
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I made some estimates on the sizes of the military forces in the first few posts on this thread. The gist of it is that it is unlikely that Alagaësia could marshal more than 250,000 troops between all of the different groups, and SoT has at least 4-5 million at any one time, with the potential of replacing large numbers of them. That is a very significant difference. However, there are no warriors in SoT with abilities like the elves. (Slides have superhuman strength, but not speed.)
@AHEM
So in other words, Slides are like Mighty Glaciers compared to whatever speedster fighters the SoT side would have, that could keep up with the Elves of Alagaesia in that department, right?
If planning wasn’t the issue, I’d lack qualms with a Camp Half-Blood vs Alagaesia fight going on, truth be told. T_T’
The Admiral wasn’t kidding when he noted that if you aren’t FTL or anything like that, you’re in for a Galaxy of Pain to wage war against Alagaesia itself, right?
“This match takes place with the conditions that all characters that appeared in the books are available in top condition”
-Right you are.
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It is a huge difference in the number of forces, after all. And has Richard Rahl even been factored in, yet? If it weren’t for Galbatorix, I’d declare Sword of Truth the victor right now. As it is, I’m not sure.
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I’ve nothing else to offer at the moment, considering my lack of information.
@AHEM
So some time after this match reaches an actual conclusion(not like that’ll happen, but a a factpiler can dream, can they?) you think Dragon Age vs Alagaesia should be next, then?
Or maybe not?
“So in other words, Slides are like Mighty Glaciers compared to whatever speedster fighters the SoT side would have, that could keep up with the Elves of Alagaesia in that department, right?
If planning wasn’t the issue, I’d lack qualms with a Camp Half-Blood vs Alagaesia fight going on, truth be told. T_T’
The Admiral wasn’t kidding when he noted that if you aren’t FTL or anything like that, you’re in for a Galaxy of Pain to wage war against Alagaesia itself, right?”
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The strength of Slides is not well documented. The only reference to it was a passage in “Naked Empire” where Nicholas the Slide lifts a man:
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“Powered by muscles crafted of the Sisters’ dark art, he hoisted the man into the air. The man cried out in surprise at being lifted so easily. He struggled hesitantly against muscle he would not be able to resist were he even able to put daring into it. (Naked Empire, Chapter 27.)
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We don’t really see much else use of a Slide’s strength, since Nicholas is more of a magical fighter than a physical one and no other Slides appear in the series.
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There isn’t really anything in SoT that would have speed comparable to the elves. The Mriswith are very quick, but more like ninja than outright superhuman. The only one that might qualify as superhumanly fast would be Screelings:
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sot.wikia.com/wiki/Screeling
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Screelings are very strong and tough, as well, but they aren’t very common in SoT. They’re Underworld beasts that only appear when the Veil is torn, and only one has ever appeared in the entire series, similar to Slides.
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Magic users in SoT can gain a sort of enhanced perception of time when they touch their Han, which allows them to view time as moving very slowly, to the point where “(a) fraction of a second had been an hour to him.” However, they cannot move their bodies any faster than normal during this time, so it has limited use.
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Needing to be FTL to fight Alagaësians is a pretty big hyperbole, though. No one in Alagaësia is FTL, or even supersonic. The Kull can run as fast as horses, and the Shades and elves are slightly faster while having combat speed fast enough to thoroughly outmatch even the fastest humans. The only example of really impressive superhuman speed is a trick that Angela used to temporarily render herself faster than even the elves, but it costed a great deal of energy and is only known by Angela and possibly Tenga (her teacher).
@AHEM
So in other words, we’ve yet to see a Shade even lift 100+ normal physical tons, let alone be able to hold that much weight, right?
That’s kind of a relief, really.
I can’t say I recalled the exact words the Admiral said, but the point still stands, right?
So if you can keep up with an Elf in terms of reactions, the minimum requirement being to get bullet-timing potential and actually surviving from the testing process, you’d at least be able to hold your own against a non-magic using Alagaesian elf in a swordfight, right?
What is the name of the method that Angela + Tenga knew, exactly?
Some kind of spell?
Wait, slight correction, I remember now. There were at least two Screelings, not one.
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“you think Dragon Age vs Alagaesia should be next, then?
Or maybe not?”
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Hmm…that actually sounds like a pretty good fight. I’d comment on that one.
“So in other words, we’ve yet to see a Shade even lift 100+ normal physical tons, let alone be able to hold that much weight, right?
That’s kind of a relief, really.
I can’t say I recalled the exact words the Admiral said, but the point still stands, right?
So if you can keep up with an Elf in terms of reactions, the minimum requirement being to get bullet-timing potential and actually surviving from the testing process, you’d at least be able to hold your own against a non-magic using Alagaesian elf in a swordfight, right?
What is the name of the method that Angela + Tenga knew, exactly?
Some kind of spell?”
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I don’t think anyone in Alagaësia or SoT has anywhere near that much physical strength. The closest thing we get to a quantification of that in Alagaësia is Brom stating that the Riders of old (mostly elves and partially humans who gained elven traits over time) each had “the strength of ten men.” (Eragon, chapter “Dragon Tales.”) Elves, Shades, Kull, and human Riders who have gained enough elven traits seem to be on a similar level. I don’t think any of them possess strength beyond lifting maybe a two or three tons at once. Maybe Galbatorix through the use of a crapton of Eldunarya to enhance his strength with, though.
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Bullet-timer might be an exaggeration, though. I’ve read about elves catching arrows and such, but bullets move quite a bit faster. And even if you could keep up with an elf in speed, their strength makes them dangerous to fight unless you’re even faster or have similar strength.
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Yes, the technique that Angela used is through magic. I don’t remember the exact chapter, but she explained it in vague terms, something on the lines of: “What is time but motion? What is motion but heat? What are heat and energy but two names for the same thing?” and added that it took too much energy to use repeatedly. The point she was getting at, I guess, was that she expended a great deal of her energy in a short time period in order to gain a boost of temporary extreme speed.
@AHEM
So that’s at best a handful to dozen potentially, right?
I’d feel for the Cousland bloodlines in particular if we’re talking about the Human Warden Candidates, the Amell line, its safe to wager that the only member of that bloodline I’d for sure feel complete remorse over would be Hawke’s surviving sibling(if we’re going for Fighter!-verse Hawke, whom I admit to having an easier time to grit my teeth on compared to the Mage!-verse Hawke, although PooperScooperi8′s and Dr. Doctor’s takes on both are fixing the reception issues, I’ll say…either version might have a chance to wipe out Eragon in an act of mutually-assured destruction, but the Mage!-version of Hawke gets wiped by Harry Dresden across the floor, I don’t believe I need to be reminded that Dresden’s a parent*biological or otherwise and in Dresden’s case, its biological* already to know this fact, but I digress!) which is either(if gunning for Fighter!-verse) Bethany Hawke or Carver(if we go with Mage!-verse, complete with advising caution of the threat of losing your humanity in the process!) Hawke, I’ll most likely hope they don’t get killed or worse, but everyone else in the bloodline unless PooperScooperi8 or Dr. Doctor helped me mend it out further…let’s just say they’re probably fair game, okay?(although if either version of Hawke became promoted to parent, I’d most likely feel remorse for the child in question, adopted or otherwise…please don’t tell anyone else save for PooperScooperi8 or Dr. Doctor that, I already feel like strangling my dad sometimes and the fact I’m going all Tsundere at the mention of the Amell line in general isn’t helping matters!)
So if it comes down to D.A vs Alagaesia, if you had to hazard anything, do you think its a safe bet that for this particular universe fight to let all the Warden Candidates that are playable to be recruited for the sake of the match, but then let it be discussed as to which of the candidates should be the overall Grey Warden commander of Ferelden in particular?
For that matter, should we go with a Composite!-D.A-verse for such a match, and would it be safe to allow for all the debaters to get the right to pick out a class for Hawke and get it over with?(I’d prefer fighter!-verse’s take on Hawke, less strangle-worthy like I had to take it out on my dad outside the In-universe pet the dog instances, including saving the sibling’s life many times over, but I don’t think its safe to rule out the Mage!-verse’s take either since its also canon, too…what to do to provide a reasonable compromise that 90% of all factpilers can agree with?) T_T’
I’ll try to hide the fact I feel I have to go vent it out of my old man one of these days on someone, and just focus on what else to contend with, like with the Circle of Mages(a lot of whom are in danger of becoming Magi-terrorists of some type or another!) and the D.A Templars(90% of whom are morons someone with functioning brain-cells should just have the decency to just flip the 2nd finger off at, or at least the case in Thedas’ branch, granted not all of them are complete monsters, but c’mon here!!!) and how to check on what condition the Grey Wardens should be at, for that matter, to prevent a stomp on either side’s favor.(You won’t shoot me if I say that if Murtagh had to fight it out with either the Cousland or Amell Candidates mono-a-mono that it could go either way, will you? o.0′ )
The planning might be tricky, but it could work, just make sure the factpilers can keep the bloodlust in check until the match’s plans for that universe fight are ready, amen to that?
*Back to kombat*
So where were we?
We know SoT has massive numbers that would give the Alagaesians pause for thoughts and causes for fits, right?
What else do their forces have to offer?
@AHEM
We know that Camp Half-Blood’s take on the children of the 3 sons of Kronos(Percy, Nico*when he can get enough kills and live long enough to make it count* and Jason are among the only ones I’d know who have the potential to lift and/or hold 300+ tons, I got the calc from having to lowball the fact that Percy had to hold the skies themselves!) have the potential to hold up to 100-300+ tons via low-balling, minus the River Styx Enhancements or anything along those lines, but the examples I listed above are among the upper sub-echelons for children with the Ichor of the gods in their veins that its not clear if anyone of a lower bloodline tier or other non-primordial cases could replicate it without styx enhancements or anything along those lines.
As of Son of Neptune, the bloodline systems for Camp Half-Blood got a whole lot better fleshed-out, and while its indeed a factor of discussion that’s better-explored than the Potter-world’s take on the matter for sure, that’s not exactly the main reason why Camp Half-blood has better odds of getting Alagaesia with less casualties than the Potter-world might, though.
The main reason is that both Camp Half-blood and Jason’s original boot camp, among other sub-factions for the Forces of Olympus, are better united than Hogwarts and most other Magical Schools in the Potter-world are, barring Life-or-death matters that’d place said Magic Schools in jeopardy to galvanize them together, that is and taking to account in general.*
(Kind of like how Magic the Gathering’s many universes are better-expanded on than how DC Comics tend to take on their individual universes in general, barring the Infinite Crisis Trilogy or any event just as massive!)
Bullet-timing potency means next to nada if you don’t have a way to test whether or not you can live up to said potential, and the Alagaesians better count their lucky stars that Sword of Truth’s armies don’t have actual guns…yet at least, right?
So if anyone’s willing to check on the chapter for Angela’s spell, I hope to hear about it soon, okay?