UNIVERSE WARS!
A great suggestion from Mecha bob, We’re introducing a new series where the entire universe in regards to a franchise will be matched up against another great franchise – to determine the ultimate winner.
To kick things off, we’re going to start with one my all time favorite PC games, Starcraft. And YES, I’ve already reserved my copy of Starcraft 2. ANYWAYS – I think for the most part these two franchises are equal with one exception: The Halos.
Those are the gamebreakers and ultimately would be the weapon that can end the battle.
How do you think this clash would turn out?
fist post zurg more evil than the flood protos more advace than the covernet and the taren or ued (humen) more advace than halo humans
and all are more powerful halos get nuked by ghosts and game over for halo
using the halos are a stupid tactic as it would destroy all teh halo people as well….
Star craft has far more veriaty than the Halo universe in terms of types of unit I give this one to them
Well Devil you’re half right, they could evacuate the the humans to the Shield World throught the Ark wich is conveniently located on Earth, then remote detonate the rings from there.
Admin, I have a question. Is this the war torn Halo Universe where most of human civillization has already been destroyed or pre-human/covenant war? If it is pre-war are we assuming the Covenant and Flood are still in the fight just for the sake of argument?
I’d say for this argument it has to be the universe in which the video games reflect – and since Halo Wars hasn’t been released yet, it puts the ‘Halo’verse set from the original Halo game up through Halo 3.
Make sense?
Yes it does, in that case. StarCraft most likely wins by massively outnumbering the Halo universe
wode they be a big figh on earth cos
the ued live thire so wode they be two plants called earth
oh my two favorite sci fi series.
i know more about starcraft units so it goes to them.
it would be a nice fight though
Well, seeing as the weakest units of the humans in StarCraft (Terran Marines) are probably on par with masterchief (probably not as smart or strong as masterchief, but have better armour, and much more powerful weapons [Gauss guns, which in Halo terms, would be like a battle rifle rapidly firing ammo more powerful as the sniper rifle]).
The Flood are only really effective when they’ve infected large numbers of sentient life form, but the Zerg don’t have independent though (i.e. aren’t sentient), so unless the Flood break through the Zerg forces, and infect a cerebrate, they wont be able to do much.
And I don’t think I even need to mention the Protoss.
The only way the Halo armies might have a chance, is if they all join forces, and attack just one of the SC forces, before the other SC forces help, but that’s not likely to happen.
For example, if the Covenant and Halo Humans work together to sneak (or fight their way in) a few Floods in through the Zerg forces, and take over some cerebrates, then they’d have control of some of the Zerg army, and if they Flood-capture all the cerebrates, then they’ll have control of all the Zerg (assuming the Cerebrates don’t have an amazing immune system).
The with the Zerg on their side, they could probably take on one of the other StarCraft races (but not both), which they can use to feed the Flood, in order to take out the last StarCraft race.
It’s an incredibly long shot, and probably wont work.
StarCraft for the win!
Also, I think the Xel’naga temple can probably protect the StarCraft forces from the effect of the Halos, or some other Xel’naga tech.
It’s even possible that the Protoss could withstand it (especially with the abilities of the arbiters).
Archons could probably survive it as well, seeing as they’re energy, rather than biological lifeforms.
Also, if the Halos just create a shockwave, then the vessels of Starcraft can just warp past the shockwave.
The Rings blast isnt limited to just are realm it passes through Slipspace as well, so theres no evasion of it. The Forerunner thought of that. Plus we have no idea if its “just a shock wave” or not. As far as the game series goes it hasent be set off yet. All we know is it kills all sentient life in the galaxy, so far theres no if and or buts about it. You just die
There are many if and or buts about it.
The shield worlds show that there is escaping it.
The Protoss probably have a way to protect all of their units, especially with the abilities of the arbiters.
The Zerg aren’t exactly that sentient, so they’ll be more or less unaffected.
It doesn’t look too good for the terrans though, although they may end up destroying the Halo’s (or capturing them) before they get a chance to be activated (as the Halo forces are only going to activate them as a last resort).
First of all it destroy everything in our galaxy, the shield world is not in our Galaxy, thats how its protected. If you remember the start of the level when you first get to the shield world, you’ll here one of the soldiers say something like “Is that what I think it is?” If you look up you can see the Milky Way, which is our galaxy.
the elites could win in space combat. being master tacticians and all
Not to mention the Rings were designed to destroy the Flood which are also beieved to possess a hive mind like the Zerg. So of course it can kill them. Oh and they can be set off remotely from the Shield World, you dont have to go to each individual ring.
Damn I’m a geek. I’ve never realized it till just now either. **shakes head** I’m a Contractor for gods sake, how did I end up like this?
all 3 starcraft races have invisabe trops and interspace travel yes the zurg can go in to space
the zerg havemide can oley die by the hands of a dark teplra so halo can not win the war
no halo rings in the starcraft unvers so how will they work they dont
You’re thinking of the Ark, not the shield worlds.
And we don’t know exactly how the rings destroy sentient life, so saying that it can destroy everything with no way to defend against i is pure conjecture unless you have evidence to support your argument.
And where did you get the idea that it would also effect things in slipspace?
And if the rings could destroy the Zerg, then the flood wouldn’t be in any of the Halo games, because they would have all be destroyed when all the rings were first activated (100’000 years ago). But seeing as the Flood survived, the Zerg would easily be able to do so as well.
And although the Zerg cerebrates can be killed, they can come back to life again almost instantly.
The Zerg and Protoss are going to be fine against the effects of the rings, so what are the Halo forces going to do against it?
They wont have time to retreat all of their forces to the ark and shield worlds before the StarCraft races notice, so activating the Halo array will destroy most of their forces, and what remains wont be anywhere near as powerful as the Zerg and Protoss forces that survive.
The idea here is to blend the two universes, whatever Halo has it still has in this fight. Whatever StarCraft has, it still has in this fight. In the Halo universe the rings destroy everything, in this combined universe, they will still destoy everything.
Well in any case no matter what you say you aren’t capable of swaying my opinions about the rings destroying everything, but that beside the point. To be honest I don’t think they would have the chance to use the rings. Even if they did and wiped out all of the StarCraft people and creatures, it’s still mostly a loss because like 85ish% of the halo universe would be wiped out.
and that would suck.
Your ‘combined universe’ argument works both ways though, in the StarCraft universe cerebrates can only be killed by he energy of the dark templar, so in the combined universe they can only be killed by the energy of the dark templar.
And even in the Halo universe, the rings don’t destroy everything, seeing as the Flood are still alive after the first activation of the ring.
An if the ark is safe because it’s out of range, then warp space would also be safe, as it’s not even in he same dimension (which is also how the shields worlds can survive).
in the game the xel,naga can escape space and time it,s self so xel,naga can just come back if the other sc racers are killed by halo
The flood survived because they where prisoned in each of the halo rings ,so
Well obviously starcraft would win, the Protoss are more advanced and powerful than the convernant, The Zerg would own the humans and if Protoss and the Terrans have planet destorying abilitys be a quick war
[quote] planet destorying abilitys [/quote]
That raises a good point,
-The covenant have glassing, which takes hours, and a small fleet.
-The Protoss have a weapon that can raze a planet in one, seconds-long, shot.
Star craft sucks
someone enlighten me and tell me what starcraft is
Well its a computer game… just look it up on wikipedia
i dont even feel like saying anything more then starcraft is a cheap ripoff of 40k…i have never even looked up starcraft (well mabey once or twice) but i dont really care for it but if the whatever
Warhammer came from Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k is a revamp of Warhammer, Alien versus Predator came from this, which in turn inspired the Starcraft games, which then led to the creation of the Warcraft universe, which became the inspiration for the Marathon series which Bungie recreated as Halo.
Halo must be the biggest, cheapest ripoff of the lot then.
yeah L-W i see more star wars in halo then alot…(marines almost look like a rebel soilder if you modifie them a little- brute wookie ha no diffrence…and even master cehif if you modifie him alot looks like boba fett…(but that one is debatable saying you have to modifie him alot…) but there are still many points them being alot the same…but thats beside the point…
but im not sure how long starship trooper is but i know 40k is old but i will trust your statment that star ship troopers was first as i have no hell in a way to bck me up…
I give this to Starcraft because Starcraft has the protoss which are more advanced than the Covenant and Humans by far.
well after reading how easily they can destroy a planet they can keep using it on all halo worlds until halo universe is a empty shell and the zerg would destroy there ships
good fight SC rines would pwn halo rines and the fact that toss is more smart than covenant is just stupid (that means you galen marek) think about it- the toss got ran off their own planet by stupid zerg so uh that was jus a dumb point you pointed. and about the fact that starship troopers made warhammer, you are another idiot(L-W) books on warhammer were made in the 80′s starship troopers in 98. also grunts in starship troopers look like WH40k IG not the other way around. also tyranids were the original sinister dumb alien race SC took zerg from WH40k.
anyway, choppers vs vultures would be the best ground brawl every one else would be a weak fight zerg pwns flood because they have more diverse units, elites and honor guard vs zealots and Dts is another great fight but goons and reavers would take out any and all armor covenant would use. terran vs halo humans would be just sad for halo humans, SC rines have crazy heavy armor and only spartans could handle them but spartans are in short supply and ghosts would priortize spartans to the top of their hit lists.the only great fights between the 2 worlds would be their air showdowns
the flood cantake on the zerg, the elites, hunters and high ranking brutes can take the protos, while the humans, grunts, jackals,and low ranking brutes fight the terrans. if they fought it out this way halo would win. oh……plus the sentinals can overwhelm everything cus of there high productuion speed. justin case the halo universe loses MC can activate the halos.
how about Halo universe vs the Gears of War universe
DizOner:
Starship Troopers is a science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein and was first published in 1959.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers
…1959.
Man, your stupidity must feel so overwhelming right now. Damn, I’m surprised you can even breathe, let alone attempt to form coherent sentences after that third degree burn I gave you.
“Warhammer came from Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k is a revamp of Warhammer, Alien versus Predator came from this, which in turn inspired the Starcraft games, which then led to the creation of the Warcraft universe, which became the inspiration for the Marathon series which Bungie recreated as Halo.”
I deffinitley see the logic, and the chonologic order of most of your statement witht exception of the first. I simply dont see ANY Starship Troopers in Warhammer (Fantasy). I always thought it was more influenced by Middle-Earth.
What relation is there to the SST novel?
Starship Troopers became the staple for the entire concept of the Warhammer caste; and practically every other science-fiction story created thereafter. To deny it is so deny every other piece of literature that followed.
Although if you read what I actually said, then you know what I mean when I say revamp. Starship Troopers became the influence for the 40K modcop, the concept of which existed befor the Warhammer fantasy setting which was a later edition to the White Dwarf series. It was not until later in the series did they divide the game between Fantasy and 40K, although originally it was a hybrid and not a seperate gaming series.
the forerunners will take out starcraft like a joke so suck my balls starcraft .so your saying the covenant , unsc,the flood ,the elites ,and the forerunners cant beat starcraft .u guys must be on some serious doughp or something like that.halo wins . plus starcraft just compleatly sucks.
This is easy for Starcraft.
Protoss ships can crack planets apart and have better soldiers. I doubt the flood can do anything to the Zerg due to the fact that they are under control by Kerigan or the Overmind depending on the timeline, and since the overmind can resurrect cerebrates, I believe that if a mental fight happend between the Gravemind and the Overmind on who controls what(flood infested zerg or zerg infested flood), the Overmind would win. Im not sure about Kerrigan though. The Yamato canon is more powerful than MAC rounds since one Yamato shot destroys battlecruisers.
Also, the terrans have vehicles and such that could handle Covenant and UNSC vehicles. If they wanted to avoid being glassed by the Covenant, they could always set a base on one of the Halos.
first of halo is completely original so that halo being a ripoff goes out the window name one thing that remotley resembles anything halo
the flood are already numbering in the zillions and have an unknown homeworld with a handfull of graveminds herding them and speaking through them so the flood would eventually overcome the zerg and terran would have a run for their money in their naval battles with the covenant and if all else fails and the halo universe gets overpowered they’ll pile on the ark and fire the halos since the ark was made to protect several species from the ring firing the protoss might find a way to survive but then it will be 4 races against one if were including forunners
Starship Troopers became the staple for the entire concept of the Warhammer caste; and practically every other science-fiction story created thereafter.
if I recall warhammer isn’t copy at least the board game isn’t which actually came a bit before starship troopers and the tyranids are nothing like the aracnid warriors just because there a hive so what alot of alien parasites are hive based just because starship troopers was the first doesn’t mean everything else that includes a hive based alien and an earth force is a copy belive what you want but most video games are original
Wow I’m so surprised this fight hasn’t been discussed more than this. It’s one of the best and closest universe fights on the site and it deserves far more more comments then it’s got at the moment.
Actually, it itsn’t too close. The Terrans do have planet-busting weapons and other military baddies. Plus the battle on land is definitely a curb stomp.
I’m in favor of the SC team halo is gonna get pwned…
Considering the immense difference in tech between the two, I have to say this one goes to SC. And from what I’ve seen and heard about how the Flood infects beings, they be screwed against the Zerg.
There must be a reason why L-W took so long to strike this post.
I go with Starcraft.
Under current factpile forum rules we have to take the most current incarnation so seeins as both the Xel’naga and the Forerunners are dead then they have no say in this fight. The wording is a bit unclear to me so if I could get clearification I would appreciate it. Though, even if we do include the Xel’naga and the Forerunners we never actually see the full capabilities of either so both are at this time unquantifiable and any capabilities they would have are purely conjecture and cannot actually be verified.
Now on the StarCraft side we two mechanicle based technology groups, the Protoss and the Terrans. While the tech of both have comparable counterparts within the Halo series, both the Terrans and the Protoss have tech that would prove troublesome for the Halo team. The Terrans and the Protoss both have the abilitie to disable enemy ships/units in some fashion, the Terrans with either the Science Vessel’s EMP wave or the Ghost’s Lockdown ability, and the Protoss with the Arbiter’s Stasis ability. Now while both the Star Craft groups and the Halo groups have cloaking abilities all three Star Craft races have the capability to detect and defend against cloaked enemies, something that the Halo races are not shown to have.
The Halo and the Star Craft universes, also have races that are both far more base upon biotechnology, the Flood and the Zerg respectively. Now while both gain units by the infestation and mutation of DNA they both go about this very differently. While the Flood have to reinfect new hosts and are unable to actually produce combat units with the use of a host, the Zerg are not so limited. While the Zerg are unable to instantly take a species DNA and will beable to use it instantaneously, as seen with Infested Terrans, they are able to store and work with it to the point where they are eventually able to produce the various combat and support species with out having to constantly recapture that base species, such as Zerglings, Hydralisks, etc. The Zerg unlike their Halo counterparts are also capable of FTL flight by themselves and are not limited by the FTL capable ships that they are able to capture.
All three Star Craft species are also capable of psionic abilities to some degree. The Halo race do not have anything within their arsenals that would be comparable to the powers the likes seen by Ghosts, HIgh Templar, etc. Halo would not have any defense against this, especially the mind control capabilities of the Dark Archons or character like Kerrigan.
The Star Craft team are also more likely and capable of working with each other to fight a common enemy. The Star Craft games show the various races working together at some point or another in order to combat a foe when previously they were sworn enemies, see StarCraft Brood Wars: UED Invasion. While this is shown within the Halo series I would argue that the Loyalist Covenant forces conrolled by the Prophets would never join forces with humans because unlike the forces within SC there is an ideological drive behind the LC forces hatred for the Halo humans that is not seen in SC, and history as proven constantly the people who have some sort of ideology behind their behavior they are less likely to go against that behavior even to the point of preferring annhialtion to surrendering that belief.
The only thing that I see the Halo team having would be the Halo rings and I only see that as a very last ditch effort that would more than likely cause the destruction of both teams. Before that however, let’s look at the mechanics behind the HR. From what we have been shown the individual HR have a range limit of 25,000 light-years and do not effect things within slipspace. This allows two defences against the ocurrance of the HR array’s activation, escape into slipspace, or the destruction of an instilation, both of which would not be difficult for the SC races to accomplish. Though I think this would be moot because the Halo races have as much to lose by the activation of the HR as the SC races would , even if the forces that activated the rings were spared the effects they would soon find that the rest of their species has been wiped out.
Also no fandom can claim complete originality, everything borrows from something.
“While the Zerg are unable to instantly take a species DNA”
That’s not accurate, while the Flood can infect a person in a few seconds ( for the sake of argument, lets say 3) the Zerg can do it in about, from what I know of SC lore I’d estimate it at 5-7 seconds. And as soon as the Zerg has infested a new person, the get the DNA right away and are able to fully manipulate it to there whims, for reference check the SC novel “Shadow of the Xel’naga”, where the Zerg infest what the Terrans are using as a large dog, completely converting it into the ideal killing machine.
This fight was ignored quite a bit.
However, given the fanbase on this site im am a little suprised
@thegoldtrident
well this fight was the first unverse match i believe, so….way back in time where we either had a billion comments about how halos rings would fire and destroy everything or, very little comments on newer matchers
ONI sends people to gather intel bout SC galaxy. They get intel. They pull out. They send the Halos to strategic points in the galaxy. They activate the Halos. Haloverse wins. KTHXBAI (no offense to SC ppl… dont wanna seem like a d**che fanboy)
How exactly can they move the halos? Didn’t only the forerunners have means to do that?
“How exactly can they move the halos? Didn’t only the forerunners have means to do that?”
The Halo’s exited Slipspace, since the Ark created the Rupture that let them in (And you still have to create the Rupture that will let you out), they would have had to open the Rupture themselves. That or Forerunner ships can open Ruptures large enough for Halo’s(Alternatively you could also say the Ark can move through Slipspace).
Uh…yeah. No winner on this one?
Even given how old it is I’m really shocked.
Protoss can get arbiters to shield world, then recall troops to shield world to protect against HRS.
Let’s start with this for anyone still paying attention to the thread. How do the ships compare? FTL, weapons, defenses, etc?
Basically StarCraft has a generally technological advantage over Halo in pretty much every aspect. Each race is more advanced then their halo counter part.
That’s why I suggested a Terran Dominion Vs Covenant battle since it was kind of clear Terran > UNSC. Hoping it’d be even enough.
Well the Covenant would destroy the Terrans in all probability, but they would fair far better the the UNSC so I guess it could work.
terrians,protoss and zerg vs flood i think starcraft win because flood might not be able to infect zergs also could use baling against their spores and carriers because the would explode acid every where melting them and the terrian fire guys could just roast them all and their armor would be to strong for them to pierce and infest and flood don’t have anything to resist fire. also the prtoss are experienced at get ride planetary infetations like the flood because of them having to deal with zerg.
protoss, terrians and zerg vs convenient the protoss are probably the convenient equivalent of star craft so alone the tech wise their equal but the convenient probably outnumber them but the air/space force probably outnumber them but lesser defensive armor and the terrians would be the in between also their yammoto cannon abilaty would beable to deal heavy damage in one hit and ground forces wold be easily taken out by zerg numbers if you consider what happens with a flood infestation also since protoss and terrians would be helping them also scaribs could be easily taken by brood lords because they would just luanch some of their broodlings to attack the crew and then the reactor and boom bye bye scarab also grunts with out leaders would run from a pack of zerglings then it would take a lot to take down a ultralisk (about size equal to average scarab) with support then protoss dark templars not only go invisible but they and other unites can teleport also terrian marines have heavy non shielded spartan armor also the don’t shoot bullets but spikes to impale enemies with probably enough power to go through elites shields and armor in one shot.
and the unsc is about equal with the terrian flying/space machines but their land capabilities are barley worthy of to greasing and polish a antique marine armor because the have no armor really compared to zerg exoskeletons or protoss shields and terrians heavy armor plus they don’t have zerg numbers or protoss psi-conic abilities or terrians heavy armor or standard heavy weapons etc so halo would maybe give a fight but not beable to win in the end i think.
There have already been individual threads of race vs race from each universe.
There was a terran Vs UNSC. UNSC are losing. There was a zerg vs flood and in all honesty the flood are losing there too. There was also a protoss Vs covenant and I think the covenant are losing that one too.
There is no thread yet but I did at least suggest a Terran Vs Covenant thread since it’s a better match up.
Ultimately it boils down to the leaders direcing that firepower toward the enemy.
No leaders = useless forces.
The halos actually don’t kill the flood they kill there food (All Sentient life within the Milky Way galaxy) and the Zerg terran protoss humans and covenant are all sentient (Or has most traits) the flood would be the last one standing but would die out soon
Majority of the Zerg aren’t sentient. A few of their unit-types were based originally on a sentient species. How much of that intelligence moved over is unknown. Essentially activating the HALO’s would just cause a mindless army intent on nothing but a killing orgy spreading out in all directions with nothing holding it back.
That said the Flood wouldn’t be the only ones standing if that were to happen. The Zerg would too. In the Zerg Vs Flood thread as well I demonstrated how the Zerg would win in that struggle as well seeing how both sides lose their leaders (both sentient creatures).
Never mind the fact that the HALO’s are NOT in possession of any of the main races of HALO and can’t be used as they wish.
That is of course assuming what you said is true about leaving non-sentient life.
Forerunners: have the ability to crush stars into supernova and cause stellar collapse, creating black holes. Created the galaxy killing Halo Array and the Shield Worlds. 343 Guilty Spark said himself that Forerunner combat skin could be 6 times as powerful as even the Master Chief’s
Precursors: Transsentient super beings that are capable of accelerating evolution, traveled the entire universe and must be considered on the level of Godhood (on account of the word “Transsentient”) As they are more advanced then the Forerunners (and they, evidently, ascended to Godhood) they are logically almost/completely indestructible
The Flood: an extremely virulent mega-parasite that is controlled by one of the smartest villains I’ve ever seen, (Gravemind) is omniscient, and has never ONCE been confirmed defeated (even at the end of Halo 3, there is evidence the Flood survived.) Also come from an extra-galactic source. As they are assimilative, any weapon Starcraft throws at it will only be thrown right back at them. When one fights the Flood, they are bound to lose.
As the Flood kills, it grows, it gains technology and knowedge like a computer hacking another, weaker computer. So whatever power weapons the Starcraft world has will ultimately just be used against them by the Flood. The Flood in the Halo games are just a minor pin prick compared to the fullest recorded extent of the parasite.
The Covenant: Theocratic Race who seemingly live for war. They can incinerate worlds with their weapons. Plus they have the ninja Elites, a ship that is 27 km long, and can cut other starships in half in one shot with some weapons.
UNSC: Has the near mythical Spartan Super Soldiers, standard weapons that can cause the death of worlds with one shot (MAC cannon), and the NOVA bomb, something so powerful one blast incinerated a quarter of a planet, shattered a moon like glass and wrecked a Covenant fleet of 600 ships.
So tell me: how can Starcraft win again?
“Forerunners: have the ability to crush stars into supernova and cause stellar collapse, creating black holes. Created the galaxy killing Halo Array and the Shield Worlds. 343 Guilty Spark said himself that Forerunner combat skin could be 6 times as powerful as even the Master Chief’s”
Current Incarnation, Read the Rules
“Precursors: Transsentient super beings that are capable of accelerating evolution, traveled the entire universe and must be considered on the level of Godhood (on account of the word “Transsentient”) As they are more advanced then the Forerunners (and they, evidently, ascended to Godhood) they are logically almost/completely indestructible”
Current Incarnation, Read the Rules
“The Flood: an extremely virulent mega-parasite that is controlled by one of the smartest villains I’ve ever seen, (Gravemind) is omniscient, and has never ONCE been confirmed defeated (even at the end of Halo 3, there is evidence the Flood survived.) Also come from an extra-galactic source. As they are assimilative, any weapon Starcraft throws at it will only be thrown right back at them. When one fights the Flood, they are bound to lose.”
Zerg, Nuff Said
” They can incinerate worlds with their weapons. ”
Not according to Halo: Reach
“Has the near mythical Spartan Super Soldiers”
Not Enough to be of any Real Value
“standard weapons that can cause the death of worlds with one shot (MAC cannon)”
Not According to Halo: Reach
“and the NOVA bomb”
The Amount of Which you can count on 2 hands
“So tell me: how can Starcraft win again?”
Terran Takes care of the UNSC and Covenant
Zerg and Protoss Take care of the Flood
Thanks for hitting that for me, Siggy. Not that your post is going to change their mind.
“Forerunners: have the ability to crush stars into supernova and cause stellar collapse, creating black holes. Created the galaxy killing Halo Array and the Shield Worlds. 343 Guilty Spark said himself that Forerunner combat skin could be 6 times as powerful as even the Master Chief’s
Precursors: Transsentient super beings that are capable of accelerating evolution, traveled the entire universe and must be considered on the level of Godhood (on account of the word “Transsentient”) As they are more advanced then the Forerunners (and they, evidently, ascended to Godhood) they are logically almost/completely indestructible”
Same as what Siggy said.
“The Flood: an extremely virulent mega-parasite that is controlled by one of the smartest villains I’ve ever seen, (Gravemind) is omniscient, and has never ONCE been confirmed defeated (even at the end of Halo 3, there is evidence the Flood survived.) Also come from an extra-galactic source. As they are assimilative, any weapon Starcraft throws at it will only be thrown right back at them. When one fights the Flood, they are bound to lose.
As the Flood kills, it grows, it gains technology and knowedge like a computer hacking another, weaker computer. So whatever power weapons the Starcraft world has will ultimately just be used against them by the Flood. The Flood in the Halo games are just a minor pin prick compared to the fullest recorded extent of the parasite.”
Anything they can do the Zerg have done better.
“The Covenant: Theocratic Race who seemingly live for war. They can incinerate worlds with their weapons. Plus they have the ninja Elites, a ship that is 27 km long, and can cut other starships in half in one shot with some weapons.”
Size matters little on ships. Retcons ruined every advantage that they had in terms of firepower.
“UNSC: Has the near mythical Spartan Super Soldiers, standard weapons that can cause the death of worlds with one shot (MAC cannon), and the NOVA bomb, something so powerful one blast incinerated a quarter of a planet, shattered a moon like glass and wrecked a Covenant fleet of 600 ships.”
Terran Marines alone would give most Spartans a run for their money and these are the foot soldiers. They’re the bottom of the barrel nothing lower weakest possible soldier for the Terrans. Armor is tougher (minus shields) and their weapons have the firepower to punch right through energy shields that Spartans rely on so heavily.
Their “standard weapons” are pretty pathetic now after the retcon. And if Sapper’s calcs are correct on the topia–and I have no reason to doubt them– then Terran ships are going to one-shot just about any UNSC ships.
“So tell me: how can Starcraft win again?”
Superior numbers, tactics, technology, and an all around better game.
Forerunners: Can destroy stars, and had power suits for CIVILLIANS that were 4 times as powerful as the Mast Chief’s
Protoss are estimated to be only a level II civilization while both the Precursors (a super race bordering on full fledged god-hood) and the Forerunners are estimated to be class III (Precursors maybe beinf class IV, what with the godhood and all)
The Covenant and humans would have a struggle on there hands, but the Forerunners would just simply wreck the Starcraft universe.
That and the Flood is unstoppable, can only be merely slowed down, and gains the knowledge, powers and strenghts of those it kills.
Which means Starcraft would inevitably be fighting itself.
If the Flood is involved, any other combatant automatically loses.
I noticed a lot of the comments were “STARCRAFT WINZ CAUSE ITZ COOLER) or something related to that
Looks like I’m eating well tonight
“I noticed a lot of the comments were “STARCRAFT WINZ CAUSE ITZ COOLER) or something related to that
Looks like I’m eating well tonight”
This is ironic.
Damn rules… also forgot I posted here before
anyway, we know the Forerunners still exist (as stated in both the Encyclopedia and the final Halo 3 terminal) so they are still eligable, the Forerunner Keyship, the Onyx sentinels, and the Halo Wars Shield World Fleet still exist, Medicant Bias (who singlehandedly controled a fleet of millions of Forerunner ships with his incredible AI brain power) still exist on the Keyship, and the Precursors could not possibly have died out as they ascended.
The Gravemind also still exists
“Anything they can do the Zerg have done better.”
Care to explain how they are better then a race of universe spanning mega parasites that can travel intergalactically and hold the knowledge of the entire universe rather then just saying “t3h z3rg iz b3tt3r.”
Superior numbers,
cant argue with that
tactics,
the UNSC could launch nukes across the galaxy, and had some exceptionally brlliant tacticians (read the novels)
technology,
Forerunner Keyship powered High Charity at only a small fraction of its operational power for 5000 years
and an all around better game.
That, my ignorant friend, is called an “opinion” based not only on the play stles of two very different games, but games that are also in two completely different generes. And the last I checked, Starcraft is not a science-fiction interpretation of the Holy Bible, is not a moral story questioning the immoral ethics of humanity, is not riddled with symbolism that would make shakespear shit himself, and does not try to answer the ultimate questions of life through an incredibly well thought out and carefully planned modern epic that has set the bar for modern video-game story telling (funfact: in Halo’s story, you have to think your way through it rather then having the story thrown at your face like other videogames)
Excuse me?
I don’t see a problem with hunting down fanboys, killing them, then cooking and eating their flesh
And awsm, what on earth does the bible have to do this?
“Forerunners: Can destroy stars, and had power suits for CIVILLIANS that were 4 times as powerful as the Mast Chief’s”
Is there proof?
“Protoss are estimated to be only a level II civilization while both the Precursors (a super race bordering on full fledged god-hood) and the Forerunners are estimated to be class III (Precursors maybe beinf class IV, what with the godhood and all)”
Once again where did you hear all this?
“That and the Flood is unstoppable, can only be merely slowed down, and gains the knowledge, powers and strenghts of those it kills.”
Unstoppable by one univere’s standards is pathetic by another. Flood would get utterly stomped by either ‘toss or terrans simply because they’ve dealt with something all together more numerous, powerful, and virulent in their own universe.
“anyway, we know the Forerunners still exist (as stated in both the Encyclopedia and the final Halo 3 terminal) so they are still eligable, the Forerunner Keyship, the Onyx sentinels, and the Halo Wars Shield World Fleet still exist, Medicant Bias (who singlehandedly controled a fleet of millions of Forerunner ships with his incredible AI brain power) still exist on the Keyship, and the Precursors could not possibly have died out as they ascended.”
We can only use what was proven. You can’t prove how many there are, what kind of equipment they’re using (save for a VERY select few examples), how many ships they have, etc. It’s like in the Stargate VS 40k debate when people wanted to bring the sleeping Necrons in. Basically it didn’t work because no one could prove what kind of numbers were still sleeping or what new types of units/ships might be involved.
“The Gravemind also still exists”
And?
“Care to explain how they are better then a race of universe spanning mega parasites that can travel intergalactically and hold the knowledge of the entire universe rather then just saying “t3h z3rg iz b3tt”
We’ll start at the top and work our way down. Seeing how the Overmind and the Cerebrates are all dead it’s all left into Kerrigan’s grubby little hands. So, Queen of Blades against the Gravemind (even if Overmind would’ve at least been a more interesting debate) gives us a fairly interesting struggle.
Yes, Gravemind has the combined knowledge (when did it EVER say combined “IQ”? There IS a diffference) of all the people assimilated into the flood. Ironically enough the same damn thing happens with any infested Terran. Despite his incredible feats in ‘hacking’ (or as close as an organic can go) he’s never dealt with psionics before and has literally demonstrated no level of defense against anything such as what Kerrigan brings to the table in that regard. Even if the mind-rape didn’t work for whatever reason it’s no big loss.
Mentioning numbers for Zerg and Flood is kind of ambiguous. Though, Flood are a somewhat disadvantage considering a majority of their soldiers come from the infestation of other living forces. While I do know they have special flood-only beings their numbers are limited (or so the games suggest). Whereas The Zerg have an ever expanding army of super aliens where even the weakest one could tear through Spartan (any type) armor with its bare claws. Nevermind a vast majority of Halo handheld weapons will be all but useless when virtually any ranged attack (including hypersonic acid/poison coated needles from Zerg) would be basically a one shot kill for any Halo ground unit.
In SC2 in the lab Stedman (sp?) in his research foundd that Zerg biomass viciously attacked any cellular attacks and basically ate it as a means of sustenance to replenish lost cells. So even if they di get infected there’s no promise that a Zerg would become a flood. Even if they did it would NOT happen too many more times before the Zerg are all immune to the attacks. Meanwhile the flood (as far as I know) hasn’t shown any kind of resistance to the same form of attack.
“the UNSC could launch nukes across the galaxy, and had some exceptionally brlliant tacticians (read the novels)”
Nukes are generally not used thanks to some heavy PIS in Starcraft. I forget what kind of power output mentioned in another thread for the top-tier nukes (like 1,000 could glass an entire planet) but they were way beyond anything in Halo’s league. Not sure on range though. On a side note; when did UNSC EVER launch a nuke across the galaxy? Their FTL is horrible and they can barely travel those distances?
“Forerunner Keyship powered High Charity at only a small fraction of its operational power for 5000 years”
One ship that’s barely functional and mostly demilitarized.
“and an all around better game.”
Wait, are you suggesting that Halo has a better ground game..? Really? REALLY? Because despite the extreme emphasis on “combat evolved” as a gameplay method Halo ground forces are considered some of the most pathetic (still MOSTLY above Star Trek) on this site. Humans for the most part fall into this category with weapons that are put to shame by MODERN DAY equivalents. 7.62×51 chambered battle rifles such are only going to scratch the paint on the neosteel of the FODDER Marines that are on the battlefield. Where as the 8mm Depleted Uranium armor pierced Hypersonic slug fired from the standard rifle is more kinetic energy than the modern day 20mm machine gun. Go to the Terran Marine Vs Imperial Royal Guard for the specs on that one if you want.
For a bit of info on the neosteel too is that those same hypersonic DU rounds only penetrate 2 inches. About the same for the acid coated projectiles fired by Hydras. If you want to figure out the tensile strength on that and compare it to the kinetc energy of what a .308 round for a more appropiate figure (not that I think you will) then go right ahead.
For Protoss Vs Covenant too you can take a peak over at the Protoss Zealot Vs Covenant Zealot. You should note that the Protoss Zealot is the absolute bottom of the barrel weakest thing in the Protoss military organization. Whereas the Covenant Zealot is the “elite”. Keep that in mind when you take a peak at exactly how much of a stomp match that is.
“That, my ignorant friend, is called an “opinion” based not only on the play stles of two very different games, but games that are also in two completely different generes.”
Opinion requires that it be based on nothing more than my own mind. Everything posted by me is a collection of information gathered up across factpile as well as the wiki. Yes, I know the evil that is the form of a wiki page; that’s why you check the source material first.
“(funfact: in Halo’s story, you have to think your way through it rather then having the story thrown at your face like other videogames)”
ROFL!!!!
Halo’s ‘story’ is mediocre at best. Hell, EVERYTHING about the game is mediocre at best.
@awsm please read the posts on Halo vs mass effect forerunners=byebye
” We can only use what was proven.”
- And what has been hinted upon in canon of course. If the Forerunners still exist you have to account for them or at least come up with a reason why their contribution won’t matter.
True, Kenny, True
@CIDE
the story of Halo is opinion whether you like it or not is irrelevant.
“” We can only use what was proven.”
- And what has been hinted upon in canon of course. If the Forerunners still exist you have to account for them or at least come up with a reason why their contribution won’t matter.”
We don’t know their numbers, where they’re even at in the universe, what their current societal state is even like (they could’ve collapsed), or what kind of technology they even have access at the moment. There is absolutely no way to quantify them at this time.
“@CIDE
the story of Halo is opinion whether you like it or not is irrelevant.”
Say this in a way that makes sense, please?
“ROFL!!!!
Halo’s ‘story’ is mediocre at best. Hell, EVERYTHING about the game is mediocre at best.”
“@CIDE
the story of Halo is opinion whether you like it or not is irrelevant.”
““@CIDE
the story of Halo is opinion whether you like it or not is irrelevant.”
Say this in a way that makes sense, please?”
My bad. I forgot that I had posted that. While it is an opinion (mostly) it still doesn’t change the fact that only a small portion of the thought process and game design actually went into the story with a majority of being a money-making/milking fluff.
It works though.
Terran would beat all. They have a lot of things that can obliterate everything like the Scorpion vs the Siege Tank. I would think that the Siege tank would win. It is an extremely powerful tank with siege mode. It would also obliterate the other ground units as well. The Mater Chief could maybe high jack the Siege Tank then use it against the Terran.
Then there are the Protoss against Covenant. The zealot against the Eliet would beat the Eliet because of its superior abilities in attack (one energy sword vs 2) And the dragoon would obliterate everything.
The Zerg have are just totally awesome considering my name
. The flood spores vs zerglings, The flood spores i think might win, but the zerglings would obliterate all of the infected units like infested brutes or marines, ripping them to pieces. I♥Zerglings 
.
The Ghosts, Marines, Firebats, and Marauders would totally destroy a lot if not all of the Covenant (not just one of those but all of them in an army).
Forerunners: Can destroy stars, and had power suits for CIVILLIANS that were 4 times as powerful as the Mast Chief’s”
Is there proof?———-the terminals
“Protoss are estimated to be only a level II civilization while both the Precursors (a super race bordering on full fledged god-hood) and the Forerunners are estimated to be class III (Precursors maybe beinf class IV, what with the godhood and all)”
Once again where did you hear all this?———- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale all of that info classifies the FR and Precursors as at least class III
“That and the Flood is unstoppable, can only be merely slowed down, and gains the knowledge, powers and strenghts of those it kills.”
Unstoppable by one univere’s standards is pathetic by another. Flood would get utterly stomped by either ‘toss or terrans simply because they’ve dealt with something all together more numerous, powerful, and virulent in their own universe.
logic does not seem to work with you. What weapons does the SC have? Okay, now take those same weapons and shoot yourself in the head with them several times over. Thats what the Flood is in all essentials.
“anyway, we know the Forerunners still exist (as stated in both the Encyclopedia and the final Halo 3 terminal) so they are still eligable, the Forerunner Keyship, the Onyx sentinels, and the Halo Wars Shield World Fleet still exist, Medicant Bias (who singlehandedly controled a fleet of millions of Forerunner ships with his incredible AI brain power) still exist on the Keyship, and the Precursors could not possibly have died out as they ascended.”
We can only use what was proven. You can’t prove how many there are, what kind of equipment they’re using (save for a VERY select few examples), how many ships they have, etc. It’s like in the Stargate VS 40k debate when people wanted to bring the sleeping Necrons in. Basically it didn’t work because no one could prove what kind of numbers were still sleeping or what new types of units/ships might be involved.
“The Gravemind also still exists”
And?
“Care to explain how they are better then a race of universe spanning mega parasites that can travel intergalactically and hold the knowledge of the entire universe rather then just saying “t3h z3rg iz b3tt”
We’ll start at the top and work our way down. Seeing how the Overmind and the Cerebrates are all dead it’s all left into Kerrigan’s grubby little hands. So, Queen of Blades against the Gravemind (even if Overmind would’ve at least been a more interesting debate) gives us a fairly interesting struggle.
Yes, Gravemind has the combined knowledge (when did it EVER say combined “IQ”? There IS a diffference) of all the people assimilated into the flood. Ironically enough the same damn thing happens with any infested Terran. Despite his incredible feats in ‘hacking’ (or as close as an organic can go) he’s never dealt with psionics before and has literally demonstrated no level of defense against anything such as what Kerrigan brings to the table in that regard. Even if the mind-rape didn’t work for whatever reason it’s no big loss.
Mentioning numbers for Zerg and Flood is kind of ambiguous. Though, Flood are a somewhat disadvantage considering a majority of their soldiers come from the infestation of other living forces. While I do know they have special flood-only beings their numbers are limited (or so the games suggest). Whereas The Zerg have an ever expanding army of super aliens where even the weakest one could tear through Spartan (any type) armor with its bare claws. Nevermind a vast majority of Halo handheld weapons will be all but useless when virtually any ranged attack (including hypersonic acid/poison coated needles from Zerg) would be basically a one shot kill for any Halo ground unit.
the Gravemind’s reach extends hundreds/thousands of kilometers and can grasp starships (at least smaller ones). They are not limited too infected units; thats what the Pure Forms are for.
In SC2 in the lab Stedman (sp?) in his research foundd that Zerg biomass viciously attacked any cellular attacks and basically ate it as a means of sustenance to replenish lost cells. So even if they di get infected there’s no promise that a Zerg would become a flood. Even if they did it would NOT happen too many more times before the Zerg are all immune to the attacks. Meanwhile the flood (as far as I know) hasn’t shown any kind of resistance to the same form of attack.
“the UNSC could launch nukes across the galaxy, and had some exceptionally brlliant tacticians (read the novels)”
Nukes are generally not used thanks to some heavy PIS in Starcraft. I forget what kind of power output mentioned in another thread for the top-tier nukes (like 1,000 could glass an entire planet) but they were way beyond anything in Halo’s league. Not sure on range though. On a side note; when did UNSC EVER launch a nuke across the galaxy? Their FTL is horrible and they can barely travel those distances?
Ghosts of Onyx: they launched nukes at Pegasi through slipspace.
“Forerunner Keyship powered High Charity at only a small fraction of its operational power for 5000 years”
One ship that’s barely functional and mostly demilitarized.
“and an all around better game.”
Wait, are you suggesting that Halo has a better ground game..? Really? REALLY? Because despite the extreme emphasis on “combat evolved” as a gameplay method Halo ground forces are considered some of the most pathetic (still MOSTLY above Star Trek) on this site. Humans for the most part fall into this category with weapons that are put to shame by MODERN DAY equivalents. 7.62×51 chambered battle rifles such are only going to scratch the paint on the neosteel of the FODDER Marines that are on the battlefield. Where as the 8mm Depleted Uranium armor pierced Hypersonic slug fired from the standard rifle is more kinetic energy than the modern day 20mm machine gun. Go to the Terran Marine Vs Imperial Royal Guard for the specs on that one if you want.
I did not say that, it was a quote off of another person.
For a bit of info on the neosteel too is that those same hypersonic DU rounds only penetrate 2 inches. About the same for the acid coated projectiles fired by Hydras. If you want to figure out the tensile strength on that and compare it to the kinetc energy of what a .308 round for a more appropiate figure (not that I think you will) then go right ahead.
For Protoss Vs Covenant too you can take a peak over at the Protoss Zealot Vs Covenant Zealot. You should note that the Protoss Zealot is the absolute bottom of the barrel weakest thing in the Protoss military organization. Whereas the Covenant Zealot is the “elite”. Keep that in mind when you take a peak at exactly how much of a stomp match that is.
“That, my ignorant friend, is called an “opinion” based not only on the play stles of two very different games, but games that are also in two completely different generes.”
Opinion requires that it be based on nothing more than my own mind. Everything posted by me is a collection of information gathered up across factpile as well as the wiki. Yes, I know the evil that is the form of a wiki page; that’s why you check the source material first.
“(funfact: in Halo’s story, you have to think your way through it rather then having the story thrown at your face like other videogames)”
ROFL!!!!
Halo’s ‘story’ is mediocre at best. Hell, EVERYTHING about the game is mediocre at best.
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Iris
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Terminals you need to be a clue gatherer in Halo, you need to piece the puzzel together.
halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_religion_in_Halo biblical story
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Data_pads
halo.wikia.com/wiki/I_love_bees
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzNpQHaWm1Q
So tell me again how a story that is more morally aware, questions the ethical code of humanity through the use of religious symbolism that would give Shakespear a heart attack, gets its fanbase thinking about the greater meaning of life and mystery in the universe, uses a story telling method never been done before via cryptic alternate reality games and hidden messages throughout the games themselves, answers the questions that we face nowadays such as human origins and our ultimate destiny in this world, is “mediocre”.
It is comparable to Shakespear for a reason.
So just because something includes small easter eggs and biblical references means it is equal to Shakespeare?
Wut?
Its funny that you keep bringing up the flood as an unstoppable super power when it is currently leaderless and the only other know locations of it are those that are held in stasis.
Now why would the UNSC or Covenant release the flood?
“Forerunners: Can destroy stars, and had power suits for CIVILLIANS that were 4 times as powerful as the Mast Chief’s”
Is there proof?———-the terminals”
Four times better could mean any number of things. This was brought up in the FR Vs Ancient thread. Still, we can’t really quantify what the FR bring to the table in this debate just yet until the book comes out. That way we can (hopefully) see how many of them are still alive and if not still alive what still exists from their culture that can be used by other races.
““Protoss are estimated to be only a level II civilization while both the Precursors (a super race bordering on full fledged god-hood) and the Forerunners are estimated to be class III (Precursors maybe beinf class IV, what with the godhood and all)”
Once again where did you hear all this?———- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale all of that info classifies the FR and Precursors as at least class III”
I’ll leave the wiki alone for now. But I’ll point at the above comment. Despite the high class of technology based on what very little we know we can’t really quantify what the FR’s can bring to this debate until the up coming book. Until then we should debate the races that we do know about.
“logic does not seem to work with you. What weapons does the SC have? Okay, now take those same weapons and shoot yourself in the head with them several times over. Thats what the Flood is in all essentials.”
You mean the same thing the Zerg did with infestation? That’s the thing that really isn’t understood. The Zerg can literally do everything the Flood can. In most ways they’d do it better and at least in 1v1 they are superior based on information gathered from previous debates.
“So tell me again how a story that is more morally aware, questions the ethical code of humanity through the use of religious symbolism that would give Shakespear a heart attack, gets its fanbase thinking about the greater meaning of life and mystery in the universe, uses a story telling method never been done before via cryptic alternate reality games and hidden messages throughout the games themselves, answers the questions that we face nowadays such as human origins and our ultimate destiny in this world, is “mediocre”.”
Considering all of it’s been done before (not sure where the shakespear thing came from) and it’s “combat evolved” slogan really wasn’t an improvement on gameplay I’d have to completely disagree.
“Now why would the UNSC or Covenant release the flood?”
This is kind of a good point.
I’ll wait until after the book comes out before I pester Admin for an FPA. Mostly considering the only loose end are the Forerunners (and Xel’naga but they aren’t needed).
If u go by the books, the unsc won it on the ground. And all we have to do to kill the Zerg is to go to char and drop a couple of NOVA bombs, then rinse and repeat until all that is left is the unsc
“If u go by the books, the unsc won it on the ground. And all we have to do to kill the Zerg is to go to char and drop a couple of NOVA bombs, then rinse and repeat until all that is left is the unsc”
Halo has no hope without the FR, they have mabye 1 nova bomb left, and starcraft, unlike the covies, have the power to destroy it, or eat it.
The energy creature from lore ATE a battlecruiser fleet for breakfast, ~300 teraton yamatos and all, and then kicked everything elses ass.
That bitch stomps ass, it will eat the nova bomb and be like om nom nom, that was when it was a baby.
Also the protoss can “purify” the halo planets in less than a few thousand years.
“If u go by the books, the unsc won it on the ground. And all we have to do to kill the Zerg is to go to char and drop a couple of NOVA bombs, then rinse and repeat until all that is left is the unsc”
If it were as simple as dropping a bomb I think Starcraft would’ve done it. They got the technology for it and the government that once outlawed Apocalypse Nukes no longer exists. So….yeah.
lets get this debate rolling again.
Halo has
-Rings
-Numerical advantage
-Flood
-Forerunner
Starcraft has
-Zerg
-Xlanga
-Psionics
-Ships that don’t suck.
Hotshot, awsm, and micheal i am waiting for you…
I’m not on your side in this debate. And please stop angering them or they’ll put up another MC/Halo stomp match to scare you away
“I’m not on your side in this debate. And please stop angering them or they’ll put up another MC/Halo stomp match to scare you away”
Aren’t you a halotic, and I for starcraft on this one.
Even pre recon halo gets trashed….
Oh, i thought you were for halo. I got you mixed up with blazing waffles. Srry
IM for halo on the ME vs Halo thread, however they are atleast comparable, SC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Halo, just too little firepower,;
Now wheres me some fanboys, i have ass to kick.
Still no fanboys =(
Starcraft for the SPA?
I guess I repeat it now. SC for the FPA?
Yes, Starcraft for the FactPile Award.
For Halo fans, here’s something to onder about…
Protoss can be proven to be able to merge with more than two Templas, so what if the entire population merged into one Archon, of a lot of Archons with seven Dark Templars each, since that was the max. number proven, with Ulrezaj.
The UED was never featured prominently in lore, and so we may never know their true power. we are talking about guys who sent prisoners to space 200 years before the storyline, inside giant spaceships. These same guys took out the entire Koprulu sector with an Expeditionary Force.
And one reason the Confederacy dominated the Koprulu sector was because they had some UEd tech left still standing after they landed.
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