Published on October 23, 2009, by admin - Posted in Duels 54
Suggested by Thepocalypse
Very cool match here. While I think Venom would be able to put up a good fight for awhile, I think in the end Mercer would emerge as the winner.
What say you?
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not meaning to sound like a total newbie “r-tard”, but who is this…Mercer…what has he done? what can he do?
i honestly never liked Venom..he lacked the ass in “badass”, but he was ruthless enough…
For one thing, Sam, the most important thing is that Alex Mercer is essentially a living virus. He has the ability to change the shape of his body on the genetic level. He can regenerate from a single cell, much like…well, Cell. He changes his hands into blades, hammers, claws, and whips, and he’s nigh-unkillable if there are people around him, since he can consume them to gain health.
With all of that? I think Venom would put up a hell of a fight, but Mercer just wouldn’t stay down, and would tire Venom out after a good long brawl.
thanks dude. Now i know…and knowing is half the battle!
anyway, im not sure,but can’t the symbiote that is Venom do pretty much the same thing?(not sure about the regenaration)…or was it Carnage who could do that?
Either way,it would make a bloody good fight
I think as soon as they touch each other they would get twists up into each other and turn into some sort of soupy mix of venom symbiot and whatever-virus that Mercer is made up of. Then they would recombine into a new being, a venom suit wearing Alex Mercer with the extra consuming powers because redundancy doesn’t be unnescesary.
In the end they both win or lose depending how you look at it. Neither die, yet neither combatant stand in the ring anymore.
Whaaaat?! I’m sorry, i couldn’t follow that…something about an orgy?
Well both Mercer and Venom are sometimes depicted as less-than-solid, more in line with a goo or a very, very thick liquid. So what I think what would happen is that they would touch each other and be unable to unmix themselves. Eventually in the struggle to get away from each other they would end up getting so mixed up that there would be no differance between the end of one of them and the begining of the other.
Of course this ignores every depiction of them when they prove to be just as solid as a normal meatbag… er flesh thi-… (meta?)human being, and was put forth out of boredom and to get a few giggles.
I see slimy tentacle things everywhere.
“I see slimy tentacle things everywhere.”
Thats wat she said. But anyways, i belive it would end like any hunter vs. mercer fiht: mercer absorbs his dna and becomes even stronger.
What can venom acttually do what are his powers other than webs wat are his abbilities . Cause im pretty sure Alex mercer has this but i want to see venoms abbilities before i answer.
“Thats wat she said.”
Aaaah it’s been a while. Thank you.
Venom is awesome.
ah, i see what you meant there…however, could Venom survive the virus Mercer has?
I don’t see any goohybrid coming out simply because both the virus and Venom have meatbaggage…see what i did there with meatbag….that they need to survive and actually “be”
I said all that out of a joke. I’m sure both of them would be just fine touching each other since both are shown to be choose to be as solid as they want to be. Especially Mercer who is solid by default and only liquidy when he has been pulverized too much. Contrast to Venom, who without a host body is a liquidy, soupy, goop, yet with a host body is as solid as it chooses to be and only the symbiot part could liquify.
I’m not a comic buff, and despite the fact that I’m a gaming nerd, I don’t have Prototype yet. I’m not really one to call on as a knowledgable source for either combatants. I just think the idea of them touching each other and getting stuck together is hilarious and , however unlike, not completely outside the realm of possibilities.
Hahaha,awww,here i was thinking of a viral goo orgy…oh well…
I’m going with Mercer, since his entire being is indestructible and able to regenerate,whereas Venom’s symbiote may only be the one able to regenerate…the humie within is excess meatbaggage
hmmm,what if the symbiote broke off of its host and tried to bond with Mercer
i think mercer is cooler but i dont think either has the capabilities to put the other out for good other than alex trowing elxploding cars and settin venom on fire
mercer dies… he is a tool… tools belong in a shed…
how do you suppose this is going to happen
not you 2 again (:
any ways alex wins quite easily venom is a symbiote seperate from host which is easy for mercer because spiderman can do it and alex is WAYY stronger than spider man and he could slam his hands together and create a powerful shock wave of of power and sound to weaken venom like crazy then finish him he can’t attach himself to mercer because he is a virus and could prevent it easily
so endo story alex wins (((:
How do you suppose he would learn of Venoms weakness to sound. They don’t advertise it on billboards!
I think Venom exceeds Alex in most categories (Including stealth due to his chameleon abilities) and could smack Alex around for a pretty long time.
“alex is WAYY stronger than spider man”
Just how strong is Alex? Because Spidey can lift ten tons optimally…
Anyway, isn’t the Venom symbiote attached to Mac Gargan (The Scorpion) currently? If so, I think I remember reading that The Scorpion took Venom to a whole new level… He can lift an optimum of sixty tons, he’s far more durable, etc. Just saying…
alex with out additional help from bio mass he can pick up a damaged jet so and musclemass equals 3 times that so that means……………….alot
but how would he knock him around i mean alex can stab right through him and instantly kill gargen so there goes the whole new level thing
“but how would he knock him around i mean alex can stab right through him and instantly kill gargen so there goes the whole new level thing”
Yeah, that’s dandy and all… Except Venom can not only do the same thing, but also the symbiote can protect and heal grave wounds… I guess the most important thing is, can Mercer keep up with a foe, who in his inferior “Scorpion form,” was superior to Spider Man in all ways but wit?
Ugh, I’ll just do the lazy thing and paste some information:
“With the Venom symbiote, Gargan retains his superhuman abilities, some of which have increased substantially beyond the original levels. The costume can even emulate the tail of Gargan’s scorpion costume. It can also be used as a fifth limb (although he has only used this ability once). As Venom, Gargan has gained the ability to shoot webbing and climb walls like Spider-Man, and can disguise himself as other people or blend in with his background. He is undetectable by Spider-Man’s “spider-sense”. His skill as a hand-to-hand combatant has increased due to the influence of the alien symbiote, which has superior instincts and fighting experience. The costume can also heal grave injuries suffered by the host with incredible speed. Mac (as Venom) has claws on his fingers which can be used as weapons to slash his foes. He can also create tendrils to incapacitate his enemies.
When injured or enraged, Venom now has the ability to increase its mass and physical strength in order to meet whatever threat it is facing with equal force, an ability inconsistently hinted in the past, such as when Venom battled the Juggernaut. During these times it is not clear that Gargan has any control over the symbiote, for had it not been for the technology restraining Venom, he would have eaten Jack Flag. Also, during a battle with the Steel Spider, Gargan attacks innocent bystanders.
Though his power potential has greatly increased thanks to the symbiote, Gargan has still failed to evoke any respect from Spider-Man, the web slinger’s opinion being that “A loser dressed like Venom is still a freakin’ loser,” and when announced as the Spider-Man of the Dark Avengers, that “it’s not even the good one.”"
I don’t know who will win, I don’t much care (both Venom and Scorpion were never my favorite Spidey baddies; Mysterio is where it’s at!). I just wanted to remind everybody that the Venom-symbiote is currently attached to Gargan… Not Brock.
And… Er… Venom fought Juggernaut? Anybody have information on this? Marche perhaps? Sounds kind of interesting I guess. Though very stupid on Venom’s part.
“but how would he knock him around i mean alex can stab right through him and instantly kill gargen”
Do you honestly think the Symbiote is going to sit around and say “Ah fuck it, I’ll let him kill my host” ? Hell no! That symbiote will defend its host in any way possible. Whether it be via webbing Mercer,puching Mercer or, oh I don’t know, dodging Mercer.
alex could just rip him off gargan easily if he could get his hands on him as for webbing- break easily. Punching- counter rip him off consume gargan and symbiote tries to attach itsself to him and it cant because mercer is a virus what is their to live off from???
“alex could just rip him off gargan easily if he could get his hands on him”
I don’t understand… Are you saying that Mercer can rip the symbiote (it) off Gargan IF he were able to get his hands on him?
Unlikely, VERY unlikely… Without exposing Venom to a high-pitched frequincy of sound or fire, the symbiote will merely regenerate all the pieces that were torn off in a matter of seconds. I say pieces because it’s nigh impossible to rip the entire suit off in one motion, even for the Marvel heavy hitters apparently.
“as for webbing- break easily.”
Are you positive? I’m sure the Hulk would have somthing to say about that…
“In Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide, one strand of webbing is described to be strong enough to bind the Hulk and hold him prisoner, but only if the Hulk were to hold still and let the webbing sufficiently dry.”
It’s Spidey’s webbing, sure. But Venom’s strands possess the tensile strength of 125 pounds per square millimeter of cross section, and has shown to be quite effective in his fight against the Hulk… Not really, but come on, it’s the freaking Hulk. It did hold him for a little while though. A VERY little while…
I’m positive Mercer will have a much harder time against Venom than the Hulk… Especially if the host is Gargan rather than Brock.
He could rip him off Gargan? Alex has no idea that Venom even IS a symbiote,and no idea how to remove it so there goes one theory.
Counter Venom? Spidey is fast enough to dodge bullets at point-blank range,and since Venom is superior to Spidey in every way physically Alex is going to have a tough time keeping up.
Are we talking about Alex at the end of the game, or the beginning?
At the beginning it would be a pretty even fight, both equally strong and fast, Venom stealthier but Alex tougher. At the end of Prototype, tough…
He can fling tanks through the air with ease, fly, totally absorb a creature the size of an elephant, and indefinitely fight off the entire United States Army, plausibly for eternity. He is literally unkillable and his blade-weapon can slice through tanks in one, plus his devastator attacks and annihilate armoured vehicles and aircraft in entire city blocks… He also has human intelligence and ingenuity.
I just cannot see Venom pulling off this one.
Hmm…I don’t know awfully a lot about Venom, but if this is the end-game Alex Mercer, I’d say that he’d pretty much use Venom as silly-putty.
In terms of strength:
He can take people and literally rip them in half. He can lift tanks and use it to smash down helicopters. Plus, its not like he has no ranged attacks either. His whipfist allows him to reach long distances, and a quite a few of his attacks affect the entire area around him. (i.e. The spike devastator, where he makes giant, impaling spikes shoot out from the ground.
In terms of speed/agility:
Alex Mercer can outrun cars and helicopters. He can also change his biomass and glide in the air. He has shown capable of jumping at least 8 to 10 stories high, and he can run up walls.
In the beginning of the game, when he is at his weakest, Alex gets basically nailed in the face with what looks awfully like a hellfire missile. He basically just shrugs it off. He can create an exoskeleton of sort that functions as an armor. He also has the musclemass ability, which augments his already stellar durability and strength by many times. Now, if we are taking about the end game Alex, well, he walked away from basically getting nuked in the face, so I’d say thats pretty-fucking-durable. As I have said before, I am mostly ignorant about Venom and what he can do, but from far as I know, Venom is nowhere powerful enough to do enough damage to match a nuke. Finally, Alex is not a person. He is a virus that has merely copied the person Alex Mercer down to the genetic level. But his essential makeup is the Blacklight virus. So here’s the question: How can Venom kill a pathogen? He can’t.
So…yeah, I’d say that this goes to Alex. But fill me in about Venom if I am wrong.
@Emmett- Actually, Alex has beyond any kind of normal human intelligence. Since whenever he consumes someone, he gains their knowledge, and throughout the course of the story, he absorbs like a trillion people, I’d say that he’s a pretty darn smart virus.
well… venom has a sesitivity to loud noises (sound waves)… Mercer besides a vaccine to which later gained imunity… welll technicaly has none… besides… the simbiot merges with the host’s cells… them regaining their nature when it leaves (as i saw in spiderman), it is gooey in nature but one organism… blacklight (virus that asumed mercer’s form) consumes the biomass and turn’s it into more of itself (more material-nature-changing viruses… being a walking virus colony) (it asumed mercer’s form as it was the first thing to come into contact with as it got released from the vial)… so i asume Mercer can efectively consume the simbiot as biomass… after slicing it’s host to pieces… and consuming the host too…
I’ll throw my vote in with Mercer this one. Aside from strangulation and heavy blows I don’t rightly know if Venom has anything that would be completely life-ending for Alex. However super soldiers and others infected with the Blacklight Virus (Cross) have shown to be able to do physical damage to Alex even with his armor, so it can’t be said Alex has a complete immunity to severe brute strength which Venom may qualify under.
However the absorption is where I can see Alex clenching a win, the only problem I don’t know how he’d react to the symbiote in his body, if it’s like everything else I suppose he’d just gain benefits, but the Symbiote can survive the vacuum of space and other extreme conditions, it could very well just take Alex over. But all these possibilites aside, I think the act of getting rid of Venom, even momentarily via absorption is doable by Mercer.
Venom will be abe 2 take anything tht alex will throw at him venom could easily could win this
venom win highly unlike, no matter how fast he is mercer has omnidirectional attack plus he aint slow, and chances r he may kno exactly who and what venom is. his in game strenght is awesome anythingu can carry feel free to sprint up a building wit it, he wins hands down on durability, blacklight is a retrovirus that rewrites genetic code so itll b perfectly fine to absord the symbiote and leave the host to die. alex’s strength come from his dense biomass which is add to with each consumption thus pack more mass into the same space=more strength. theres no limits imposed on this other then game mechanics which is why they’re making comics even game alex and cutscene alex vary drastically in power, in game hunter strikes break your shield but in cutscene he blocks grnades with his blade. even the most powerful incarnation of venom poses no threat bcause alex is unaffected by all attacks and impacts thus has no recovery period(not like stuff he has to regen from but like being fatuiged winded koed staggered stunned, etc..)
Alec has Ultimate strength, the only thing that matter is how strong the thing he is hitting is
Hands Down Alex
Alex would have a Hard Time as in Killing venom but Venom WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KILL ALEX EVER!!! Trust me Alex Regenerated from a Tactical NUKE!!!
So no Venom would not win
Can jump 11 Story buildings (No higher 8( )
can lift a TANK and SPRINT up the Empire State building
Can run 60-70km
can consume anything as long as (Any) part of his “body” are in a wound of some kind
Can make a shield that can block one Tank blast before it breaks
:Web Of Intrigue:
Can regenerate from a Single Cell
When he/it/she/TRAP consumes something their intelligence and memory’s are + to his/Its/Her Own intelligence
Can if He/it/She chooses Infect someone else
When he/it/she consumes takes their biomass (i.e. becomes stronger)
can become anyone or anything he/it/she consumed before
can make a shield(or armor) that can block multiple therobolictank rounds
-weakness (past and present)
There was a vaccine for the pathogen but he/it/she became immune
Electricity can slightly (for lack of better word) Fizz up he/it/she
Alex/he/it/she Would Beat ANY Incarnation of Venom Hands Down
(I may or may not have missed a few things soz also even if you dont agree you may use the things (Or correct them) as you wish)
mercer is invincible. he survived a nuke. im sure some of this has been brought up cause i skipped a couple posts. he can create soundwaves that destroy tanks by clapping. a bell disrupted the symbiote, mercers sonic boom clap thing destroys tanks. he is proficient with rpg’s and grenade launchers and helicopters and tanks, and if that doesnt provide enough fire to destroy venom, he could whip some flaming cars at him. ultimately, alex could take a nuke from the gov’t (he could imitate someone with clearance to access them or just fight his way through, he can get through tougher security both ways) and detonate it on them both and survive. he takes out a giant blacklight monster thing that was elizabeth green, as well as several superhunters, and you think venom can stop him?
sorry for the double post, i read a few more. strangulation and beaten to death and the like are mentioned often, but… alex isnt considered alive, so things that could “kill him” dont matter. to bring a direct quote in for evidence (i feel like its english class!!!) “the qualifications of dead or alive no longer apply to Alex Mercer”
everyone keeps bringing up this nuke thing wit alex. SO WAT!!! HE GOT HIT IN THE FACE WITH A BOMB!!! VENOM IS NOT THAT DUMB ENOUGH TO GET HIT WITH A NUKE! Yes alex and venom powers are similar but still remember venom is a savage he would demolish Alex. If anything that can create a thing like carnage, would not have a hard time killing a thing like Alex.
This battle is not cut and dry like most fan boys here would like to believe. Alex Mercer would win, however, it would take a couple of hours for him to find Venom’s weakness perhaps. Sure, Venom can regenerate from blade attacks, but Alex’s blades just aren’t blades, they are part of the Black Watch Virus. I see one hit, and Venom becoming infected with the Black Watch Virus, and thus, becoming consumed. I cast my vote for Alex Mercer.
“everyone keeps bringing up this nuke thing wit alex. SO WAT!!! HE GOT HIT IN THE FACE WITH A BOMB!!! VENOM IS NOT THAT DUMB ENOUGH TO GET HIT WITH A NUKE! ”
well alex didnt get “hit” with a nuke, he made the choice to fly it out over water a drop it to save the city. he had the time to completely get away. beside if someone drops a nuke it doesnt matter if it “hits” you or not if your in the blast radius youre gonna get vaporized, incenerated, immoleated, irradiated, and flattened.
this is just a terrible match for venom all together, mercer could very well consume the symbiote off of Mcgargan. and from a biological standpoint i dont think the symbiote could bond with alex and oppose him.
so at the end of the day we have mercer with and entire repitoire of new powers. including webbing, spidersense, acid production, electromagnetic cling for wall crawling and walking on ceilings, camouflage that would now incorperate in organic objects and invisibilty, and poison generation.
antivenom would be a much better fight since he can cure and reject diseases
i like them both,beat them two.and im going with mercer not only did he survive a nuke he survived pretty much everything else the only thing that did happen is with that shot thing.venom on the other hand is effected to sound (alex thunder clap) fire (throw a car or something like that) oh,did anyone else know he has a weakness to electricity?(throw venom in power line)but it would still be a an awesome fight.
From a biological stand point, it would be physically impossible for the symbiote to cling to Alex. Alex, being a virus, is neither alive nor dead, for a virus is neither alive nor dead. This said, The symbiote can only cling onto ALIVE hosts, am I correct? Alex can not be assimilated…but he can assimilate…
“From a biological stand point, it would be physically impossible for the symbiote to cling to Alex. Alex, being a virus, is neither alive nor dead, for a virus is neither alive nor dead. This said, The symbiote can only cling onto ALIVE hosts, am I correct? Alex can not be assimilated…but he can assimilate…”
exactly what im thinking since the reason the symbiote left brock was the fact that his body was cancerous and failing, so it would need a host that can effectively perform life functions.
so it seems weve come to a winner.
+1 for Alex mercer.
Alex wins here for all of the reasons stated before. For those of you who say “he wouldn’t know sound waves and fire are venom’s weakness” Alex is bound to use those eventualy anyway if this fight drags out long enough. When he uses his smash his hands together to make sonic boom attack and sees venom’s bad reaction to it, guess what move just became alex’s favorite move in this fight. Same for throwing things that explode.
oh! and +1 nomination for alex to win.
Alex Mercer is intelligent, not stupid. He would be able to find Venums weaknesses eventually and use them to his own end.
+1 Nomination for Alex Mercer.
Since when can a virus think?
Since the game Prototype. Just play it someday and you will understand. Besides, since when does reality matter much in these threads? We discuss things that aren’t real and that sometimes defy physics.
wierd im playing prototype right now O.O lol
i think Zues (Alex/Blacklight virus(Alex mercer is dead or just another consumed person)) would chase venom until he tired and comsume him and the black alien ooz
I was try to think of things similar to Venom that Alex has faced in Prototype
then i realised
Venom is nothing more and nothing less than the Supreme Hunter(final boss)
If Venom=Supreme Hunter
And Alex>Supreme Hunter
+1 to Alex
plus 1 to alex simply because i want him to finally get an fp award
this is a battle between 2 VIRUSES
I never noticed that, that’s a pretty badass pic of Mercer lol
+1 if he’s in the lead lol
first off i just want to say that hand-to-hand is out of teh question, venom seems to have a strength limit of about 30-40 tons whereas alex mercer is about 70-80 (and thats without musclemass) so vemon would get destroyed in melee.
Also vemon tires and weakens as battles go on giving alex more and more chance to absorb him. Alex on the other hand is as strong at 100% life as he is at 1% life. (But that may just be a game mechanic, but i still think he could endure more than venom).
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