Suggested by Lt. liquid
Here we have Quadraxis going up against Fett. While many argued that MC got destroyed in his match, Fett has the advantage of also being able to call in Slave I for help. For my money, this gives the victory to Fett.
What say you?
“Fett has the advantage of also being able to call in Slave I for help. For my money, this gives the victory to Fett.”
Indeed!
Quadraxis will get seriously pwned if Boba gets the Slave 1…otherwise I think he could take him with the Disruptor but it would be very difficult
Well, I learned that a plain clonetrooper blaster operates in the low terawatt level to deliver 4.2 terajoules of energy. Those were pitiful compared to particle beam tech, let alone Fett’s modified crap… I say SW and Metroid hand-held weapons are a little more similer in firepower than we initially thought…
Yeah, I’m going with what Mata and Baron said… Heh…
Thus ended quadraxis….
Boba Fett. It would be hard for me to say other wise. Fanboy is starting to come out a bit.
Boba Fett has this and with Slave I in this fight nothing can stop him
with slave1 boba wins this easily.quadraxis whas made to deal with heavily armed and equipped ground units and to fight of demons called the ing.though quadraxis sensors might notify him of a incoming attack i doubt he can get away in time.
it depends on the situation…if quadie-chan manages to hit boba only 1 time with his homing matter/antimatter cannon boba is in for a world of pain.
Yeah, with Slave I, Boba Fett has this. Would have been much more interesting to see if Boba Fett could do it without the Slave I though.
Oy, does he get Slave-1? I don’t recall if its a stand-alone entity or a tool, but even so, Quadraxis easily wins due to his Annialator Beam, his sheer size, His incredibly durable armor, (Not to mention if Fett faces him on Dark Aether, in which Fet would be KILLED in less then a minute.) besides, its been proven that Metroid is at least several tech levels above SW, so Fett really stands no chance, even with Slave-1.
…unless I’ve gotton something mixed up, but I’m not certain…
Getros brings up an interesting point. Quadraxix is indeed found on Dark Aether, the atmosphere of which is ridiculously lethal. I highly doubt it, but Slave-1 is in, so…?
I wonder if Slave-1 could withstand the Dark Storms surrounding the planet, and if there will be no atmospheric interference, which cut off both the GF and SPs.
I think Quadraxis could take this if Fett was fighting without his ship, but Slave-I evens all of Quadraxis’ advantages. The firepower on that thing is intense. It will make short work of this enemy.
That said, I believe Fett would win with help of Slave I. I have no doubts that he would be able to avoid Quadraxis’ attacks long enough to call in the ship, which would proceed overwhelm Quaddy relatively easily, who’s awkwardly placed cannon and ground-based attacks are poorly equipped for dealing with aerial foes. His weak joints are also targetable from the air.
@Who
I assume the area is neutral, as are all fights unless specified. Either way, I wouldn’t be suprised if Slave I was able to somehow get through the dark storms. Good ol’ SW tech.
My freaking avatar hasn’t been showing up…
“@Who
I assume the area is neutral, as are all fights unless specified. Either way, I wouldn’t be suprised if Slave I was able to somehow get through the dark storms. Good ol’ SW tech.”
According to da rules, it must be neutral. But I can’t help but agree with you. All I was saying in post #3 was that SW and Metroid grade weapons are pretty similer in terms of firepower after some research…
fett ftw… Im not sure why.
Like others said, fett can just fly away wait for slave-1 and win easily…
How about we consider it as Fett’s person versus Quadraxis.
In which case I think Quad’s helix spin could prove much more fatal to Boba than to Samus, he ain’t escaping that if he’s caught in it and that should take it jetpack out…
I think Quad has a small advantage if it is just Fett fully equiped no slave-1.
@Who
Sorry, I forgot to change it to Scenerio.
Interesting point about the weapons. Would you say it’s enough to reconsider Fett vs Samus?
even without slave1 this fight might be intresting.boba is a very agile character more agile then samus(not considering speedboosters) and samus is capable of dodging almost everything quadie-chan throws against her.quadie-chan also is as bulky as he is big his attacks are predicteble and once you know it weak spots he can be disposed of rather quikly(with fullpower metroid weaponry that is).
i still have to see boba taking hits like samus but if he focusses on dodging everything and he is granted some powerfull SW handweapons with unlimited ammo he can pull this of without slave1.but if he gets hits its over(not saying it kills him instanlty but it would cripple him severly)
“Interesting point about the weapons. Would you say it’s enough to reconsider Fett vs Samus?”
I’m inclined to say yes, but I’d rather not… We would only reach the same stalemate we faced before. I’m perfectly happy with Samus labled the winner, even though it could go either way now.
Are you guys sure that the weapons work on the same kind of power output, everything I’ve seen before suggests that Star Wars weapons are in the gigawatt area of power: www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html
Although the people on that website seem to hate Star Trek more then anything in the world they also seem very good when it comes to numbers(which I myself am pretty poor at so admitedly I could be wrong here) and they say that Star Wars weapons work in the gigawatt range, could someone please explain the difference between watts and joules as physics is my worst science and I’m not too sure.
@Josh
I almost forgot to tell you, although I’m sure you’re already aware… There is a new Metroid installment coming out next year! It even has the return of Big Momma! Check out this pic:
images4.wikia.nocookie.net/metroid/images/d/d7/2010.png
According to some people, the release date is 3/25/2010… I for one can’t wait!
@Mata
I have some bad news. Karen Traviss isn’t going to write SW books anymore… The formerly upcoming Fett novel has been scrapped… But Death Troopers comes out the 13th this month, so thats nice.
boba no question about it
@Tim
“could someone please explain the difference between watts and joules as physics is my worst science and I’m not too sure.”
Watts are power joules are energy. I’m a little rusty myself…
“Are you guys sure that the weapons work on the same kind of power output, everything I’ve seen before suggests that Star Wars weapons are in the gigawatt area of power:”
Well, according to your link, Slave I’s main cannons fire 64TW (2 teratons) per a shot with a fire rate of 480 rpm… Wow! Doesn’t surprise me though, as they were shown gutting kilometer wide asteroids in Attack of the Clones. What is truly amazing is the amount of damage the shields can dissapate: “Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala’s personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar)” Slave I has been shown to take direct hits from turbo lasers… You know how overly powerful those things are…
“2 teratons”
Ugh… Sorry, I meant kilotons… I need a break.
Yeah, are you sure that the Clone Troopers weapons work in teratons? I’ve seen extimates placing an X-Wing Fighters blasters at 1 Terawatt.
“Yeah, are you sure that the Clone Troopers weapons work in teratons?”
Not teratons, terawatts. And I’m pretty sure… L-W got it from the AOTC: ICS.
“According to the AOTC: ICS, the DC-15S Clone Trooper Blasters operate in the lower terawatt range to produce 4.2TJ bursts at standard settings. The standard setting being the combat ready calibration that consumes a single recorded “unit” of ammunition, which is capable of killing humanoids or destroying droids with apparent ease. As with the Phaser the output is variable depending on the desired results; therefore a narrow beam stun shot will only draw upon a small amount of energy, whilst larger explosive bursts designed for vaporization would undoubtedly expend more ammunition. What we also know is that most Blasters could be overcharged to increase the power of each burst by tenfold, whilst this greatly reduces the energy available, the destruction caused by the blast itself is exponentially increased. In fact as of “Han Solo and the Lost Legacy” the DL-44 has been depicted as vaporizing a three meter tall heavily armoured Battle Droid with a single overcharged burst.”
Actually that kiloton quote was taken from the Republic Commandos Novel “Order 66″, but considering that Karen Traviss is regarded as “fucking batshit insane” by the medical community, I would only take it lightly. This is after all a Woman who claimed that the Clone Wars was fought with only 3 million clones, so don’t take her word for anything (since most of it was retconned anyway).
Most other (reliable) sources though seem to indicate single, double and triple megajoules to gigajoule levels of firepower for the common Blaster, causing vaporization in most materials. According to Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, a fully charged bolt from a DC-15A rifle (the standard of Clone Troopers everywhere) “could leave a 0.5 meter hole in any ferroconcrete wall”. Ferroconcrete is not pure iron, but the thermophysical properties of the concrete are sufficiently close to those of iron that the use of elemental iron is a reasonable approximation for melt and vapourization energies. The energy required to melt iron (heat it from 150K to melting point and then add latent heat of fusion) is roughly 1.28 MJ/kg. The energy required to melt and then vapourize it is roughly 7.63 MJ/kg. Density is roughly 7870 kg/m³.
Thus the energy required to vaporize a 0.5 meter section of a ferroconcrete section could easily exceed 30,000 megajoules, or 30 gigajoules, depending on how the the blaster bolt interacts with the material. Whilst this may sound excessively high for any rifle, the anti-personnel turrets on the LAAT gunship release the equivalent of 5 gigajoules with each bolt (which according to visual evidence from AOTC fires at a rate of 200-400 rpm), therefore there is some justification for the overcharged round being the equivalent of a troop mounted anti-tank rifle.
Although if we assume simple cratering energy, a 90 megajoule bolt would suffice. Whilst this may once again seem excessive (a 140 mm smooth bore round only packs the equivalent of 20 megajoules), an overcharged bolt consumes over ten times the energy (making regular bolts over 9 megajoules, easily) to assure a maximum range of ten kilometers, making the blaster a heavy hitter for only the direst of cases when armour shattering firepower is needed.
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Also, can we get some RELIABLE information on Metroid firepower? Since the only canon (non game mechanic) quote we have is on the Volt Driver, which seems to be more of an outlier due to the fact that:
A) Power=/=Energy
B) It draws energy from the planetary electromagnetic field, theoretically making it useless when taken from any planet with a heliosphere less than that of Jupiter.
Also, can anyone point to me the major fuel source used by the powers in the Metroid universe?
Most sources seem to indicate the widespread use of antimatter, would this be correct?
Antimatter is most common in Metroid Prime 2 I believe, as the Luminoth (basically a similar race to Chozo) made good use of it when making Quadraxis.
@L-W
So is the AOTC: ICS a reliable source?
The AOTC:ICS is an incredibly reliable source, written by an astrophysicist called Dr. Curtis Saxton who I and many others hold to high esteem.
Karen Traviss on the other hand is as insane as a bag of doorknobs. When several Star Wars fans bought to attention the erroneous nature of her own figures (most notably, how do you spread 3 million Clones across a million planets and vessels?) she retaliated by publishing several articles that referred to her detractors as “Talifans” and stated that anyone who disagreed with her should have their throats cut.
She then went on to publish a novel in which she publicly lambasted Dr. Curtis Saxton with her Mary Sue character and then proceeded to have characters that disagreed with her sentiments murdered by garroting.
Let’s just say that she doesn’t work for Lucas anymore, with most of her work being retconned by the new essential chronology. Unfortunately for the rest of the world she’s already written a Gears of War novel (which is just…terrible) and is currently getting her mittens wrapped around the next Halo book.
Well thats too bad about that crazy old bat… I for one enjoyed Bloodlines. But to react in such a crude and violent way when she’s the one at fault… Ugh. Lets hope the retcons are worth while, eh?
“and is currently getting her mittens wrapped around the next Halo book.”
Gee, I can’t wait for what absurd figures spawn from that novel… It’ll be a trolltastic day for Factpile.
“The AOTC:ICS is an incredibly reliable source, written by an astrophysicist called Dr. Curtis Saxton who I and many others hold to high esteem.”
Ah, thanks! I’ve been trying to find this book ever since you mentioned it. It sounds very interesting… This Dr. Curtis Saxton sounds like a good man…
Suppling some info on Metroid weapons. Most of this comes from MP:H as that went into the most detail about the weapons. As an added bonus I’m providing the base damage as I can without guess work. Base damage is damage delt to the Power Suit without any upgrades [factoring for the 50% damage reduction provided by the Varia Suit as needed].
Volt Driver, as previously stated, draws from electromagnetic field of the ambient area and converts into multi-terawatt burts of high voltage. Base damage is 28. Charged shot is 112 and disrupts visor systems.
Battlehammer is a nuclear powered weapon with its own dedicated mini-nuclear reactor. Base damage of 24 with knockback power. No charge function.
Magmaul is powered by a hyperstatic hydrogen core and fires “superheated magma”. … wouldn’t that be technically lava since it isn’t underground? Base damage of 64 plus knockback. Charged is 112 with knockback.
Judicator is powered by cold fusion synthesis and fires super cooled plasma apporaching absolute zero. Base Damage of 48. Charge Damage of 144 (if all three bolts hit).
Shock Coil is a stream of high density nutrinos. I forget the formula for figuring its damage amount. It has some funky, set damage on contact with addition damage per second per second, so it ends up with something like base damage on contact then repeates the base damage and then some more then repeats it again and then some more x2, and so on for each additional second contact is held.
Dark Beam is powered by anti-matter, but it fires Dark Energy, which is what makes up Dark Aether’s deadly atmosphere.
Light Beam is presumably powered by matter, and it fires off of something that is akin to the Light of Aether.
Annihitor Beam is a mix of the two previous and is powered by matter, anti-matter annihilation. I don’t know what the heck it actually fires, but it is potent stuff. The Sonic Boom missile combo is a particular oddity as it cannot be seen with the Echo Visor but its effects are clearly visable with the normal eye. Those said effects are turning a plane of reality into a what looks like a glass spider web.
The Omega Cannon is very undefined, but it is known that its projectiles are highly radioactive. They do 400 base damage.
Power Bombs might be nuclear reactors going critical, or at the least have radioactive poperties to them. I claim this because radiation is pretty much the only thing that can normally effect a Metroid aside from an extreme lack of thermal energy. Beta radiation makes them into SR388 type Metroids. Gamma forces mitosis. Phazon radiation causes all sorts of mutations. Lack of radiation causes the weak Tallon strain of Metroids. Yet Power Bombs are the only weapons that are seen to consistantly harm the Larva type Metroids (the classical “invulnerable” metroids) without resorting to “freeze then missiles”. Metroids that are sufficently exposed to a differant radiation evetually become resistant or immune to the Power Bombs as seen with the Super Metroid (which received huge amounts of Gamma radiation), the Omega Metroid seen in Fusion (which received huge amounts of Beta radiation), and the Metroid Prime (phazon radiation… well Phazon in general practically made the entire thing up, so yeah.)
Power Beam, Spazer Beam, Wide Beam, Long Beam, Plasma Beam, Nova Beam, Ice Beam, Wave Beam, Hyper Beam [SM version], and Bombs all seem to run off of Samus’s internal generator[s]. I’ve got nothing on that.
The only race stated to use anti-matter is the Luminoth, but they also use kinetic energy as well as “the Light of Aether”, which is undefined energy. Most power sources are unstated.
I doubt anti-matter is used by the majority of the populace of Metroid. It isn’t suggested by anything in particular and there are not many similarities between most weapons that are seen compared to the weapons we know are powered by anti-matter.
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Just remembering that this is Boba Fett vs Quadraxis and not SW vs Metroid, means that the primary fuel source in this match is probably going to be matter/anti-matter annihilation and maybe fusion reactors. Mind you I’m just a Metroid dork, I know matter/anti-matter annihilation is used by Quadraxis and I’m aware that there is some relationship between that and fusion so the fusion reactors are a guess on my part.
“Dark Beam is powered by anti-matter, but it fires Dark Energy, which is what makes up Dark Aether’s deadly atmosphere.”
It never said that, it just said it fired Dark Energy, nothing about Anti-matter.
“The only race stated to use anti-matter is the Luminoth, but they also use kinetic energy as well as “the Light of Aether”, which is undefined energy. Most power sources are unstated.”
1) THE only recored use of Antimatter anywhere in Metroid is (that I know of anyway) is in Metroid Prime 2, and that is in the Annihilator Beam. While I can’t find the actual logbook entry, I was always lead to believe that it actually fired the Matter-Antimatter in some sort of magnetic sheath, combining the two upon impact with the target.
2) The Light of Aether, whatever it is, must be extremely powerful. Samus is actually able to dematerialize and transmit herself through it, re-materializing on the other side. It does this effortlessly, and repeatedly. It was implied in the game that this was viable form of transport for the Luminoth, indicating that it should have been able to support much higher volume of matter-energy conversion.
*It never said that, it just said it fired Dark Energy, nothing about Anti-matter.*
you are right about this.but since the anni-beam works on both light and dark ammo its logical to conclude the light beam is matter and the darkbeam is antimatter……right?
@Who?
Yup I’m fully aware of that, and have already shat myself several times over big momma’s scene. A little off topic, but considering it depicts her firing at what appears to be the super metroid, do you think that it’s merely a flash back of SM? I struggle to see how Samus would get into the exact same scenario, though the fact that she’s wearing only the varia suit seems to contradict this…
Gah, I can’t wait.
@Josh
Yeah, I noticed that too. But then I thought to myself “flash back or not, that’s freaking Big Momma in 3-D! Holy crap!” I guess we won’t know the true nature of the scene ’till the game is released… I can’t wait either.
*Yup I’m fully aware of that, and have already shat myself several times over big momma’s scene. A little off topic, but considering it depicts her firing at what appears to be the super metroid, do you think that it’s merely a flash back of SM? I struggle to see how Samus would get into the exact same scenario, though the fact that she’s wearing only the varia suit seems to contradict this…
Gah, I can’t wait.*
i hope that big momma is gonna be a boss in other M but seeing that the scene whe where discussing whas in cutscene quality i guess its gonna be a flahback of some sort.
I hope mother brain isn’t in other m. Since it takes place after super metroid, it would ruin the ending to that game, would completely ruin it. Nintendo should have just made prequels to Super Metroid and repspected Gunpei Yokoi’s wishes of Super Metroid being the last in the franchise. I honestly couldn’t image a better ending to the Metroid franchise than that…
So far the only game that takes place after Super Metroid is Metroid Fusion, and I believe it was made by Gunpei Yokoi as well. Anyway, I’m 99% sure that is just a flash back, I’d be sick to my stomach if the brought Big Momma back.
Gunpei Yokoi died before the new millenium I believe, so (to my knowledge) he wasn’t involved with any metroid games after Super Metroid. In fact I also think that he wanted no more metroid games at all after it (thus the lengthy time before more were made). But I can’t confirm that last bit.
super metroid should have been the ending i agree.but i must say that metroid fusion leaves a whole series of stories and lore open.i mean samus worked for the feds and if there gonna make stories after fusion it might be a whole different world.the only thing that bothers me is I HATE THAT FUSION SUIT.the fusion suit doesnt look impressive at all.the varia suit gives the impression that its big strong and dangerous. if the fusion suit whas black then samus would like like some SM dominatrix.
Wait, Isn’t there gonna be another metroid game?
*Wait, Isn’t there gonna be another metroid game?*
yep its metroid other M.it fills the gap between supermetroid and fusion.
I’m certain it was just a flash back, and I almost wish its going to be a playable flash back. However, Big Momma did have a fitting end in SM. If they do happen to bring her back, Mr. Yokoi would most certainly turn in his grave… Though it appears this game will explain why Ridley was an icecube in Fusion… Ugh…
So do we all agree that Fett/Slave I takes this? Or not?
Fett with Slave 1 wins easy, without Slave-1 I’m not convinced yet. I think Quad’s spinning helix attack could prove to damage Fett flying capabilities, leaving him grounded against Quad.
If Fett is forced to stay on the ground, I think he’s toast. Without his JetPack, i don’t see him dodging much of anything. And he can only take so much..
@Cpt Olimar
Boba’s Disruptor rifle could probably blow Quadraxis to bits easily
I agree that Fett takes this with Slave-I, easily. Without it, it will be a big of an uphill battle, but I think Fett can suceed. His disruptor is almost certainly at the level of most high-power Metroid weapons. It would be a long fight, though, and Quadraxis’ victory would be a definite possibility.
I agree that Fett would have a very hard battle with Quadraxis without Slave I, but with all the research I’ve been doing (or trying to do…) on L-W’s and Dr. Saxton’s notes/figures, your regular blaster is somthing to never scoff at… Especially if we take the numbers L-W posted on the site from the AOTC:ICS (not only a canon source, but apparently a reliable one at that) into account. I will try to do more research on Saxton’s website…
But the Admin was kind enough to grant Fett his Slave I…
“shrug”
Fett for the award!
*Fett with Slave 1 wins easy, without Slave-1 I’m not convinced yet. I think Quad’s spinning helix attack could prove to damage Fett flying capabilities, leaving him grounded against Quad.*
arg i forgot about his spinning helix attack.fett is not chanceless but that attack is gonna give him trouble.if hes in the air he might get sucked down and grinded into pebbles beneath quadie-chans feet.
ow yeh oops slave1 forgot fett for the award.
Fett without Slave 1 probably, Fett with Slave 1 definitely, Fett for the award
How long does it take slave-1 to get to the battle, Quad just might shoot boba to smithireens by then…
If Fett gets Slave-1, then Quadraxis gets dark aethers atmosphere.
Quadraxis wins.
“If Fett gets Slave-1, then Quadraxis gets dark aethers atmosphere.
Quadraxis wins.”
You’re not the one to make that decision. Neutral battlefield unless Admin or Lt. liquid specify.
While Dark Aether’s environment would no doubt cause a tremendous disadvantage to Boba, it is not stated in the battle description and thus we must assume a neutral battlefield.
Given the rules as stated the absolute ONLY way quad wins this is if while boba is calling for his slave-I, he clumsily allows Quad to suck him into his vortex-spin, crushing his body and destroying his backpack, only to be squashed/annihilated seconds later.
Problem is that it requires some CIS from boba, and it requires quad to do this one move quite quickly in the fight. Personally, I think the probability of this is much larger than 0, but nowhere near 50…given rules boba wins… but no FP award.
Yeah, what the Cap’n said. Anyway, just like the Vile VS. Boba Fett thread, I think this battle would be so much better with this invlolved:
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wing-Blast_rocket_pack
Hell to the yeah… also, sweet.
But alas… Slave I. Can’t go against da afore mentioned rules. I also agree that no award should be given.