Suggested by DaWolf
Here we have a fun match with two characters both possessing some uniques powers facing off against each other. To be fair, I never played Infamous, so I don’t know too much about McGrath’s abilities. So, for those who have clamored for this match (I’m looking at you, DaWolf), show me how Cole even has a chance against Mercer.
Who wins?
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Kessler would have made a much fairer fight for Alex.
That aside, Cole does have a chance for victory. Mercers mutations appear metallic,making him one big conductor.
If Cole can restrain Alex with a shock grenade he could deliver a massive lightning strike to finish off Alex.
@Asger
just because something appears mettalic doesnt mean it is its pure biomass
I dont see how cole has much of a chance against alex he is superior in every way
Alex will simply adapt and evolve to the attacks from cole mcgrath .while coles powers are strong I’ll have to go with the human bio weapon that is alex mercer .if given the chance alex can simply consume cole and gain his apperance and memories and possibly powers .
@ Alexanderthe: I’m still going with the possibility of lighting harming him (If bullets can,why not lightning?)
And one area Alex vastly exceeds Cole in,is blandness.
@ orpheus: If Alex was capable of evolving and adapting as you described,then bullets would not affect him as much as they do.
Here’s a question! What if Cole sends a couple thousand volts through you?
Your become smoked CHICKEN!!!!
Cole’s got this because he has shield and the powers of Zeus.
I am going with Cole I though about this fight when DaWolf mentioned it. I wish I could watch it.
@ Kenny:
Ehhh,I wouldn’t count on the shield too much. It only works on bullets,and Mercer is more of an ‘Up-close’ kinda guy.
if alex can survive a nuke multiple tank shots, falls from thousands of feet, and extremely powerful ttacks lightning wont hurt him, and i thought i suggested this match
He kinda only survived the nuke after some unfortunate crow flew too close to the puddle that was left of Alex Mercer.
And Cole can survive massive drops as well. His impacts create massive electrical shockwaves.
Here is the scenario:
Cole is at a military base speaking to the officer.
“Ok then, Project:InFamous”said the Officer.
“You were designed to kill Alex Mercer,because from what we’ve seen with Captain Cross,he is very vulnerable to electricity.”
“I’ll try my best to take him down,sir.”said Cole
A Private turns towards Cole and says,”There’s it is!”
Many people in the base begin to shoot at Cole but he went into a corner and used his polarity wall.
Seeing that the military did nothing,Mercer used a devastator and when he looked in the corner he saw that Cole had escaped.
He looked around and saw Cole just pulling himself up the edge of a skyscraper.
Alex easily sprinted up and equipped whipfist.
He sees Cole waiting for him and shoots his hand out in Cole’s direction.
Cole barely dodges and shoots a Lightning bolt at Alex’s arm.
The electricity goes through Alex’s body and electrocutes him,knocking him back.
While Alex is on the ground Cole approaches his body and just as he is about to
stab him with the gigawatt blades,Alex grabs him by the neck
We know what happens next
“If Alex was capable of evolving and adapting as you described,then bullets would not affect him as much as they do.”
Wasn’t the armour that he developed a sort of adaptation? I don’t really remember the story-line. Either way, bullets cause little damage to Alex to start with. It’s only when he’s utterly surrounded that guns place him in any real danger. And though I have no doubt that Cole’s attacks could cause damage to Alex, this is a guy that shrugs off rockets and having his back cracked by super soldiers.
Does Cole have any real defensive abilities against physical attacks? Otherwise, I see Alex running at Cole, shield out, then proceeding to hack his face off with his claws/bash his face in with his hammer fist/explode his face with his muscle-mass fist/chop his face off with his blade/absorb his face off with his…absorption.
@Kenny C
Alex got NUKED and came back.
Cole doesn’t have that kind of firepower.
Okay, granted, he needed to eat a crow first, but any biomass should do.
And if Cole’s primary defense is a magnetic shield, then he better hope that that shield is also good against cars, air conditioners, bodies, and anything else Mercer can get his hands on that isn’t bolted down or on fire (Not to sure about the on fire part).
@Asger
Well, there’s mobility, raw strength, weapon use, durability, raw running speed, rate of climb, regeneration, etc.etc. etc.
I’m aware of his abilities Bellisarius,I was merely joking about the sheer blandness of Alex Mercer.
As for projectiles,Cole can repel them with a shockwave.
(I’m aware that I’m routing for the underdog here,but I really prefer InFamous to Prototype.)
Lol thanks adimin but I wasn’t pushing for tihs to prove cole would win I pushed for this to get the credit for coming up with it XD.
I’ve played, and beaten, both games and I’m leaning mostly towards alex but, I can come up with some reasons cole would stand a chance:
1. The shockwae can block debris alex throws at him and the polarity shield probably stops alex’s whipfist
2. Maybe if he keps himeself electircally charged it would be hard for alex to keep a hold of him
3. He’s more efficient than alex at long range ( unless alex has a rocket launcher or something) and after seeing what alex is capable of he would probably make sure it stays a long range fight.
Oh and too all of you who also suggested this match-up *blows rasberry*.
lol that is all
Ah geez Wolf,why not request Alex vs Kessler? That would have made a much more balanced fight.
I feel like I’m supporting a gerbil against a wood-chipper here.
@asger
i just finished infamous and i think that kessler is cole an he used his powers to go back in time to force cole to become stronger(but thats just my interpretation… could be wrong)
i think that alex would win but if he gets caught in a lightning strike then its over
but imagine if cole got the same virus alex has…EPIC!!!!
@ ninja jesus,
He is cole and half of me thinks you’re right half of me thinks Asger is wrong.
I think you’re right because cole would stand a better chance than everyone thinks (but would still get owned) and I think Asger’s wrong because kessler wouldn’t be more of a challenge for alex than cole. He’s a beast but he was still killed by cole.
Kessler: Moves near light speed.
I fail to see how that would make things any less difficult for Alex. That and time travel.
Kesslers only real weakness was his age,which caused him to stop in the middle of a fight to catch his breath.That’s really the only time Cole could land a single hit.
I believe Cole does stand a chance. Cole has in his possession all the tools he needs to destroy Alex. Alex, correct me if I’m wrong, can reconstitute his body if he still has some of his biomass but if he was reduced to nothing but dust he would’t be able to regenerate. Well the average temperature for a bolt of lightning is about 54,000 degrees F’ and travels at speeds of 130,000 mph meaniing Alex has no way of dodging it and if constant energy is held against him he will be reduced to nothing.
Alex mercer hands down, the dude is pretty much invulnerable and immortal to a certain extent . i have to say i give it to alex the dude is pretty powerful with all those forms and field attacks i mean the fight would probably last for a little while but in the end alex would kill this guy.
@zeppher
while i think that you are right about alex winning it isnt going to be that easy
cole still has a fair few attacks that can end alex although it will take direct hits
the lightning grenades can make it hard for alex to move keeping him away from certain areas
the lightning rockets are tracking if you fire them in the air and then shoot one of his standard bolts at or near the target a couple of these shots im sure will severeley damage him
the shockwave attack of his will keep all the large projectiles away from him e.g. cars and the polarity shield can stop bullets
and if alex is stunned by one of his attacks then he will be vulnerable to a prolonged lightning strike which will undoubtedly kill him
so while i think alex would win there are still many ways alex can be killed
i give it a 70% to alex 30% cole
@cyborg pirate ninja jesus/ ya i guess i agree with your statement
@ dawolf
DAMN YOU!!!!!
Damn me for stating the truth? Ok. Cole doesn’t have any supersenses besides that of electricity right? So imagine, if you will, alex consumes a nearby pedestrian without cole noticing, he poses as a fan then BOOM, fatality. This can work against kessler too Asger unless infection detection is another power of his that we dont know about (moving at the speed of light? I dont think so and if so show some proof cuz he just moved rediculously fast to me and yeah I could hit him even when he was moving)
I don’t understand why people compare these two. Alex mercer survived a direct nuclear explosion and recover within seconds after the blast, while Cole mcgarth dies from machine guns within seconds. Now for the Ray sphere explosion that killed thousands, which was not nuclear by the way it seem like the holder who activates it is protected or is the explosion. Cole mcgarth requires a charge whenever he overuse his powers and to heal, which Alex mercer have no requirement to use his powers hut must consume to recover hp if too low. Ok. Picture this desert battlefield Cole it pwned and the range shit don’t work cuz Alex has whip that go pretty damn fast and far and can grab. City battlefield Cole mcgarth has sources to get power from and so does Alex mercer. If he can survive nuke he should not have a problem surviving some juice. Cole mcgarth stands not a chance Alex has too many advantages speed 100 mph Cole is slightly above average but not superhuman Alex strength 25 tons and can run up walls Cole slightly above average and resistance only think he is resistance to is lightining but I won’t even justify that Cause his future self got fried so resistance to a set amount. So Alex mercer come out of this the winner with slight effort. Future Cole Zzzz he would be a challenge but would lose. You know one thng both have in common… No stil thinking it’s water. Alex mercer and Cole both live in a chaotic world but Alex mercerhas to deal with military heli tanks super soldiers infected supreme hunters all at once. If Cole can dies from simple gun shots come on u really want to compare them. Infamous only wins in gameplay and mission pretty interesting, keep up the good work looking forward to infamous 2
@ Wolf: Still far faster then Alex.
I do wish the good old Electric Messiah had a better chance here,but it would take nothing short of a full-force lightning strike to keep Mercer down.
I’d put this as a 30% chance for Cole winning.
ugh, im so sick of “Nuked” awesome Alex Mercer got nuked, and was turned into a puddle… great… he had to have a crow land to regenerate… no outside help…Nukes emit enough heat that it compares to what we know about the sun…. do you know what emits that kind of heat on earth besides nuclear bombs??? Lightning… so that being said… Cole FTW by lightning strike… puddled mercer….
Really sapper? You’re going to make me have to proove you wrong on two topics? Fine mr. fiziks. Just the blast wind of a nuclear bomb can exceed 1000 km/h enough to peel the skin from your bones if i’m not mistaken. The average lightnig bolt can reach tepetratures of nearly 30,000 deg. ferenhiet whereas a nuke reaches in the tens of millions of degrees albiet shortly but, how long does a flash of lightning last I mean really. AND (since I know you’re going to cry “physics” and other random **** to make yourself look like a smart ass) if the lighting bolt did do what you say, realize that a crow wouldn’t intentionally say “Hmm, let me stand near this precarious puddle to let myself be consumed so that this guy can live” so it’s not outside help, it’s animal obliviousness.
@da wolf
Lightning is a tad hotter than than that, you had the number right but the value was wrong… 30k kelvin and people survive because its a less than a milisecond… so any sustained bolt like cole could throw… and ploop… you have a puddle…
eitherway skin melts at about 500-600degrees F and teeth and bone at 1000 degrees… so anything past that is cheddar… nuke… furnace… lightning bolt… doesnt really matter
plaza.ufl.edu/rakov/Gas.html
I do not know about the crow… you got me there… that would be admins call
I concur with Sapper on this one. Alex is tough and fast but lightning is fast and a sustained charge would turn him to ash. Not to mention if Cole wills it Alex could never touch him anyway because Cole could just radiate electricty so Alex can’t grab him without being shocked. Also if cole can sense electricity then he can sence any living being with a brain because the human body actually gives off electricty a lot of it coming from the brain because the the brain uses bio-electrical signals to give orders to the bodies fuctions hence the reason he has the bio-leach ability.
wow, what did you say midnite… im going to turn my head to your post 30 cause you must be sick to be agreeing with me, I wont hold your sickness against you lol.
Wow,now I’m more on Cole’s side.
Alex sucked as a character,and I’d love to see him get a beating.
@Sapper-lol When what you say is right its right. Can’t deny it if its a solid undisputable fact.
Ok I see this one has backfired a little. People, if Alex could be reduced to ash, it would take a little more than some lightning to do it. The only way lightning could do it would be if Alex was imobile which, let’s face it, Cole wouldn’t be able to do if he had 2 ray-spheres. Alex is just too fast, strong, cunning, and good for Cole to keep him down long enough, and don’t even try to bring up arc restrain because there is quite literally NO ONE in empire city as strong as Alex so I think it’s safe to assume that if cole, by some miracle, managed to get him down that getting out of it would be child’s play (he’d either break or snake his way out of it)
Air isn’t conductive as the human body. It’s possible for Mercer to simply become conductive and let the lighting pass right through him. This can be accomplished by a copper subdermal weave.
Alex mercer is also denser and has a higher specific heat than air meaning that it would require several magnitudes more energy to sublimate.
Mercer also can withstand fifty cal shots without problem so it’s possible that he can withstand high voltage long enough to kill Cole. Allow me to expand.
/eats cheese burger and inhales/
The primary means of lighting moving a non-ferorric object (doesn’t respond to magnets) is to vaporize the near side of the object and allow the expanding water vapor propel the object in question. Due to Alex Mercer’s density, the heat required to repel him would be fatal to Cole aswell.
@Dawolf-It really doesnt matter how strong or tough you are when you have 54,000 degrees and a terrawat of raw energy striking you. Like Sapper said flesh begins to melt at around 500 degrees and bone at around 1000. Where is the rest of that 53,000 degrees going to go? Like I said a sustained charge would vaporize him and no matter what you guys think he not fast enough to dodge that being a lightning bolt moves at around 130,000 mph. It will literally be a flash to him and trust me he will be stopped in his tracks because this reason right here.
A police taser uses about 50,000 wats of electricity. Thats enough to stop a full grown cow and even an american pitbull in its tracks. Now Alex is not a human anymore so I’d say the charge required to cause heavy damage to him would be in the millions. Well a bolt of lightning gives of a full terrawat of energy. A terawatt is a trillion wats of energy. There is no way he can withstand that and remember he can sustain this energy output for several seconds at a time and then launch another barrage. Face it Alex loses.
ok im going to aid dawolf in this
the lightning is as you say fast enough and strong enough to kill alex but!!!!
cole isnt fast enough to keep track of alex and with the time delay of wanting to use the lightning and it actually coming out alex would have moved far from the initial place cole was aiming for and more than likely of slingshotted him self right in front of cole with the whip fist and torn off his head
the lightning while it is a strong move is too slow of an attack to be relied upon in this fight
alex can move great distances almost instantly cole isnt fast enough to win this
alex mercer is the closest thing to a god. cole has nothing that could “kill” him remember alex had most his head blow off and he was walking around as if he was born with that hole. ie he doesn’t need the brain to work being he is made of nothing but the virus. if the heat produced of a nuke exploding (witch matches the sun) couldn’t then coles powers will only stun at best the nuke exploding is what blew him apart. so logicality what does that say about coles powers. alex beats cole with out a sweat. i mean think he can easily out smart him out manuver and i dont have to say what will happen when he hits cole. when he can effortlessly pick up and chuck a 50 ton tank like some softball. even if cole electrified his body it wouldnt stop him from making contact cole would be a skull fragmented here hip bone there. if not at least in critical condition which alex would then consume him and be on his way.
coles only bet would to stun an run and hope alex doesn’t find him.
the only way to beat alex simple put would to some how get a sample of him and make a anti-virus which would be crazy to think you could walk away from doing so. even then he is a unnatural phatogene and did get immune to the last anti-virus made to kill him so thats slim at best.
I’d throw my vote in with Cole’s corner this one. Kessler version without a doubt for being faster than Alex, but even regular Cole has a pretty decent shot — Everyone talks about Cole’s main defense being the shield which may or may not be useful against Alex granted, but one thing i’d rely as Cole would be Shockwave. The radius is fairly decent and it can push 2,3,4 cars away at maxed level. I see Alex bounding towards him then eating 2 shockwaves and being flung into a building. The brief time he is on the ground, or even recovering Cole would have a number of options, tailing him with a shock grenade or just sending a whole lotta bolts in Alex’s direction. Despite Cole’s lack of up-close and personal abilities, his primary attacks are faster than Alex can move so it puts Alex in a bad way, just not a fair matchup.
@cyborg-Its already been established that Alex can’t even get close enough to begin to touch Cole since he can radiate trillions of wats of energy. Fully charged Cole could literally power a city for a few hours. As for not being fast enough I already told you his lightning attacks are instant and will appear as a flash of light and even if the bulk of the bolt misses lightning still arcs to conductive surfaces i.e flesh, metal, tree sap, ect. and once that bolt hits Alex I wouldn’t be suprised if he popped. That’s how trees are downed by lightning by the way the sap in the tree reaches a critical level of heat and combusts splitting the tree down the middle.
@Nijuka-You are seriously over-estimating the abilities of Alex. There is nothing god-like about him he is just facing off against mostly weaker oppenents most of which don’t have a fraction of the ability he has. Now if he were to go up against characters like the silver surfer, hulk, kharn, super man, samus, and many more featured on this sight he would be roflstomped in 30 seconds at most.
As for the headless thing I fail to see your point. A bolt of lightning hitting him at a sustained point of contact would incinerate him. And as for lightnig not being enough to stop him cold you are grossly ill-informed on how living creatures work.
Every creature as a central nervous system. A central nervous system recieves its orders from electrical impulses in the brain for commands for all functions walking, runnin, blinking breathing whatever. When an outside electrical current interferes with those impulses it screws up all our functions for as long as the charge is introduced and a little while after.
That is why tasers are so effective it literally causes are muscles to lock up and contract and do all sorts of crazy things which is why its not uncommon for a tasered person to piss themselves. Now thats only 50,000 wats in that gun. What happens when when Alex or most living creatures, even comic book ones way tougher then Alex, get hit by a trillion wats of raw energy? Put it like this a bolt of lightning is enough to tun Super Man what makes you think that Alex can tough it out?
@ Midnite Maurader
So what if Alex simply goes super conductive and lets the electric charge pass right through him? It would be a simple matter of altering the salt water concentrations to allow high voltage to bypass the vital organs (Not like Mercer has alot of those) and ground out on the nearest piece of metal. This effectively gives Mercer a lightning rod.
I also propose that Alex Mercer could kill Kharn (He’s chopped up M1A2 Abrams, he can cut into power armor) and take Samus on in close combat. It’s also possible for Mercer to beat the Hulk (The supreme hunter was comparably strong and far more intelligent) since the hulk specializes in hand to hand and rarely wears armor.
I should also point out that Cole has limited stamina and shockwaves consume energy. Meanwhile, nothing has ever been proven to even slow Alex down. Even an anti-virus tailor made to kill him was useless within a few days.
“As for the headless thing I fail to see your point. A bolt of lightning hitting him at a sustained point of contact would incinerate him. And as for lightnig not being enough to stop him cold you are grossly ill-informed on how living creatures work”" you do know the heat created by a nuke exploding easily beats that and alex wasn’t ashed by that? your argument is ill-logical. even use his tendrills to move if hit by a shockwave. cole would of just shot off a shot before seeing alex had moved in for the kill. cole doesn’t have spideys reflexes.
alex is not and can not be classified on any living creatures level. he is made up of nothing but the the black light virus. let me get a link of alex walking with a hole clear thorough his head *cough* living creatures cant do that let me shot a deer an ask it if it can at least kick for me. *sarcasm*
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEVQASDG6g&feature=related
watch closely. i dont think a living creature quote unquote could be up and walking till it healed
Nah, I still think Cole gets this one…
1. alex is fast lightning is faster
2. alex has to get really close to kill cole
3. coles target gets relatively bigger the closer alex gets
4. the chances of cole missing gets smaller the closer alex gets
5. cole, outside game mechanics for balanced playing, could most likely blanket an area with lightning…
Cole FTW
i dont see how you think alex couldn’t touch cole? a shock isnt going to stop a hit and one hit will kill cole. he only has the power to control electricity. no super reflexes. your in denial
@nijuka, denial eh? stand at one end of an American football field hold both your hands up now imagine a straight line down the field from your palms. how hard would it be to move your palm over a car driving a 100mph coming at you down this field? easy huh? barely moved your hand? Denial please your the one who obviously cant figure it out… a controlled bolt could vaporize just about anything.
Sapper has it down, as it’s been said: Alex can’t out-maneuver or outrun lightning.
Also it’s debatable as to if ONE hit could be the end for Cole. It’s clear he can jump off of skyscrapers and live just like Alex, and even getting hit by the trains does not kill him In that sense Cole does have somewhat superhuman endurance.
However his endurance makes little difference, as anyone can see Alex wouldn’t get the chance to test it out, he’d be smoked before he got to McGrath.
@Belisaurius-First off Alex stands no chance against any of the characters I listed. Samus would vaporize him in a single shot from her basic weapon. Each shot from her arm canon has the force of a nuke behind it and in the upper petawat of energy. The hulk would pound Alex into a pulp, launch him into the sun, or unleash a gamma burst which would vaporize him instantly. Kharn is armed with a plasma pistol that is daemonically enhanced which would vaporize Alex, he is stronger then Alex(able to lift over 100 tons), faster, a more experienced fighter(been alive for 10,000 years), his power armour is made of adamantine and ceramite and can withstand a direct hit from a lascanon(which would turn mordern day tanks into melted husks). No Alex is far from unstoppable.
As for not being slowed down as I recall he was never attacked by anyone who ccould bend lightning and electricty to his will and able to man-portabley vaporize him. If this battle took place on Alex’s home turf New York the Alex is a dead man. Cole would have at his fingertips an unlimited source of power from which to turn Alex into ash. Its not about slowing him down, which I’m sure a terawatt of energy is more then sufficient to achieve, but crisping him through sheer heat alone. This is not a nuke we’re talking about actually worse. A nuke’s energy is spread over a wide area thus loosing energy along the way.
Now a direct hit from a nuke would have completely destroyed Alex but he wasn’t hit directly he was near the epicenter which gave him the sufficient distance to survive not being completey ashed. But a bolt of lightning would be direct and sustained 54,000 degrees of death. And bone begins to melt at 1000 degrees where is the other 53,000 degrees of raw energy going to go? Like I said Cole has all the tools needed to put Alex down for good.
@Nijuka-Your not listening. Alex has a central nervous system or else he wouldn’t be moving. If he has a central nervous sytem then a bolt 1 trillion wats of energy is going to stop him dead with him unable to control any of his functions. Even if he loses his head that means he doesn’t need it to function but its a law of nature and biology that every living cell has to have something to control it and give it orders. As for the nuke arguement I already addressed that so push that arguement no further.
As for Alex not being able to touch Cole when your radiating trillions of wats of energy it would be hard for Super Man to touch you let alone Alex. Super Man himself is stunned by lightning wielding characters and he pretty much unstoppable unless you have kryptonite. That goes to prove the laws of biology goes for everyone including god-like beings.
ok ok. easy to point but hit alex? i believe bullets move faster than alex and in the hands of trained well trained marksmen they hardly hit alex how can cole? alex isnt going to be runing in a straight line if so i could shot him. i cant see how cole could get a beat on alex when he has no super reflexes were he would need to hit him. comparing him to a well trained marksmen being it would be easier to point your hand. he isnt dodging lightning cole just cant keep up with him and miss alot.
@nijuka-Actually your wrong. Cole also has the ability to speed himself up via charging certain nodes in his brain according to the infamous wiki. This ability if prevelent especially when cole uses his sniper bolt attack. So yes Cole can charge himself up to move faster. It also explains why Cole is one of the fastest moving characters in the game.
As for his durability he jumps off building and cracks the cement when he lands so I’ll let you fill in the blanks.
that helps ok i cant see alex winning though it would be a nice fight alex could win if he could land a hit but cole has him from hearing that
btw i never heard of Kharn
Ok the cole side is forgetting one thing, Alex is not human and you comparing him to a human is like comparing an ameoba to A.I.D.S, which is really more deadly and hard to get rid of? The HUMAN flesh melts around 500 degrees 1/100000 the degrees of a nuclear bomb I believe. So you can’t pin human limitations on alex because he’s not human, he’s something more. (yes that is a qoute from him at the end of the game and yes I do realize cole is more than human too but cole can’t reconstitue his form if he was reduced to puddle)
The temp. at which human flesh melts may or may not apply to Alex, but it’s pretty irrelevant. Cole can in fact command lightning which burns at some 50,000 degrees, 5 times hotter than the sun’s surface. It’s been concluded that Cole most certainly has a range advantage, faster attacks, is on par with Alex in terms of physical speed (Midnite Marauder mentioned him speeding his body up.) So add to the mix that his attacks can surpass the Sun’s temperature, i’d say it only pushes Alex’s chances of winning further down.
(Note: I know EVERY single one of Cole’s attacks are not Lightning bolts, but only electricity — I was referring to his lightning specific attacks.)
***Edit of last post***
InFamous wiki says that his default attack is a Lightning Bolt so I guess he’d be laying on heavy heatwaves most every shot….sorry Alex
Like I said before, lightning burns only at around 30000 degrees and my numbers come from wiki so tell me where your numbers come from and I’ll be more apt to believe you. And in terms of physical speed, as fast as alex? maybe when induction grinding but on a physical running scale alex clears blocks in a matter of seconds, cole is the fastest in his game but not to the degree that alex is in his. As for his lightning being 5 times hotter than the sun, its still 1/1000 the temp of the nuke that melted alex. Plus like I said before alex isn’t going to stand still and let him hit him and if cole does hit him, realize that his lightning bolt isnt that ecially on hero karma which is something we need to make clear (which karma he is). When on bad karma, headshocks make mini explosions which are pretty useful but alex’s shield or body armor would absorb most of the blow. Good karma is nothing but chained electricity which isn’t too effective against a single target and realize that this too only happens when he gets a headshock. In the game it takes several regular bolts to anything that isn’t the head to take an enemy down, so imagine how many regular bolts it would take to take down mercer. Besides that alex’s offense is something not being explored and something I will do in a later post
You’re all forgetting Alex’s adaption rate. Give him a minute and he’ll grow conductive channels to redirect Cole’s attacks. Give him two and he’ll figure out how to use groundspike to ground out electric attacks altogether.
@Midnite Maurader
The power beam can’t break sandstone (see metroid prime) and Mercer is harder than asphalt. It’s not going to hurt him much.
Gamma rads are nothing special after surviving a nuke , neither is being knocked around by huge fists. I am, of course, speaking of the old hulk since the new hulk could challenge khorne. Speaking of which…
Kharn? Shooting? Are you feeling alright? Kharn’s a hand to hand specialist and denigns to use plasma weapons for the same reason everyone else does, their finicky bastards that blow up on you. No, Kharn uses a bolt pistol and glorifies in close combat. And no, Kharn’s power armor could not stand up to a lascannon. Those things can breach terminator armor, you know.
Mercer was less than a mile from the warhead when it blew. Alex was still well within the blast zone and quite possibly came in direct contact with the fireball.
Also, Cole can’t sustain the energy required to destroy Mercer. Sure, he power a city, but that wasn’t for long and empire city is both a slum and fairly small. He also can’t generate electricity so if Mercer ends up demolishing the power lines, then Cole is out of luck. Cole is also in trouble if Mercer decides to open up a fire hydrant.
Ironicly, the power required to definatively kill Mercer would have to be enough to convert his mass to plasma. Due to Mercers density, the resulting overpressure would kill the then exhausted cole as well.
Even the energy to vaporize him would charge the atmosphere so much that the local water mains would boil and explode.
@DaWolf-The amount of bolts required to take down an enemy is purely game mechanics as much so as Alex being able to be killed in game. Do you think any human being can withstand an actual lightning bolt? As for Alex being faster that’s all debateble because like I said Cole can charge nodes in his brain to make himself superhumanly fast and if Kessler is any indication of his true potential(Kessler is Cole and Cole is Kessler) then Cole can also move at sonic speeds, teleport, travel through time, and beat Alex to death with his bare hands.
Alex also has the ability to instantly heal himself and increase his strength by charging the muscles in his body hence the reason why he cracks cement while jumping off of high building and is able to punt a man like a football. And as for Cole not being able to permantly hurt Alex because a nuke didn’t finish him as I recall that nuke didn’t hit him directly or else he would be ash. He wasn’t directly at the empicenter so he still had some remains. He doesn’t get that luxury with the heat of the sun being directly put through him and sustained over a long period of time. As long as Cole has a steady supply of energy then Alex can’t win period because Cole can match him in ever catagory including speed and strength and has superior ranged abilities.
@DaWolf
When lightning strikes, the air around it alone is hotter than the surface of the sun, so I can only imagine how hot an actual lightning strike itself would be!
The temperature of lightning can be up to 30,000 degrees centigrade or 60,000 degrees Fahrenheit
The air around it expands massively by the heating from the lightning
~WikipediaAnswers.
As for comparing their speeds, I think Cole could charge himself to move reasonably fast compared to Alex, but even if Alex can still physically move his body faster, lightning travels some 75 miles per second, and Alex certainly can’t move that fast.
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I meant 75 thousand** miles per second. However:
The Guiness Book of Answers lists lightning traveling at a maximum of 87,000 miles per second.
The U.S. Dept. of Energy says lightning travels at 93,000 miles per second.
So between 75k and 93k i’d assume, all the same it’s faster than Alex can propel himself in any direction.
Bear in mind this is Cole vs Alex not Alex vs Cole and several power plants.
Cole can manipulate electricity but can not create electric charges. Therefore, Cole would need to get this electricity from somewhere. Hence, he is limited by the power supply of the city.
Correct, I don’t think Cole would need to all out nuke Alex though. Maybe 1-2 shockwaves, possibly some megawatt hammers. But even when drained Cole can still by default shoot lightning bolts over and over.
Also by the end of the game, Cole is able to use Karmic Overload which allows him a brief period of unlimited energy. So if Cole begins the fight with his typical energy capacity and immediately starts off with Karmic Overload, that would only add to the number of attacks he could perform.
I do concede that Cole with NO power at all, no lightning bolts, no charged body no nothing would lose to Alex.
But Cole at his basic energy levels I’d refer to most of the posts here supporting Cole to get the idea.
I try to grab my facts from things other than wikipedia… considering I could go in and change the information in wiki’s
50000 degrees F
30000 degrees K
www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/wea00/wea00032.htm
@Belisaurius-That maybe true but even if Cole fought him in any major city he would have all the energy he need. To power a city for just a few hours would require incalculable amounts of energy. More then enough to turn Alex into ash and now your grabbing at straws now. You and I know as long as the power grids of the city are still operational then Cole has an essentially limitless amount of energy at his desposal. As long as the city of New York continue to pay their bill to Con Edison the juice keeps flowing.
So much for enviromental advantage…
So what’s stopping Alex from evolving super conductive tissues and letting the lightning pass through harmlessly?
@Belisaurius
same thing that stopped him from developing a way to not die in the game
Funny,when the military were bombing the shit out of me in Prototype,I don’t recall growing anyting to deflect missiles.
Mustn’t have been trying hard enough.
“Funny,when the military were bombing the shit out of me in Prototype,I don’t recall growing anyting to deflect missiles.”
Didn’t get far enough to unlock the Shield Arm or the armour then? pity, those were great fun to use.
@ Jwlynas:
I did,Its fun shouldering cars out of the way. Fact is though,it hardly happened on the fly in-game.
Depends on your style of play. I toyed with people a lot (Stealth eating whole military base wiithout detection was my main goal.. never got there)
the Shield is damn near impenetrable by long ranged stuff, uber-tank excepted. rocket launchers, helicopters, regular tanks, bullets. Non mattered.
And then Armour was equipped along with the fists, and I forgot I wasn’t playing an Incredible Hulk Game.
@Belisaurius-The same thing that stops him from making his skin into titanium or shooting missles out his arms. He can’t change into something he doesn’t have and no creature can make themselves non-conductive. If he has a central-nervous system or even a nucleus he’s conductive because those things use electrical impulses to control functions. Take that away and he can’t give his body orders. Also even if we give him electrical-retardent body(no he can’t do that) whats to stop thousands of degrees of temperature from turning him into ash?
@ Jwlynas: I thought the shield could be broken if it took too much damage? I never used it much ’cause I thought the armour looked cooler.
Cole straight up zaps alex FTW
@midnight
cole cannot simply radiate energy he has no such ability in the game so it cannot be used.
and i never said that the lightning itself wouldnt be able to hit him i said that cole cant track mercer to get a shot off
cole doesnt have the reflexes to win this one
@Cyborg-And I told you that Cole can charge himself up to move at least as fast as mercer and has displayed this ability prevelently when using the sniper bolt attack and is even said to be able to do so in the infamous wiki. He also can make himself stronger too through the same method. How else is he able to send enemies flying like footballs with a kick to the ass? As for being able to radiate electrcity your grasping at straws its obvious that if he can shoot it out his hands and send electricity fluttering in every direction when he jumps off a building whats to stop him from radiating it. Face it Alex loses.
@Belisaurius-Samus’ weapons can’t blast through walls obviously is a game mechanic. The game would e to easy if she can simply blast through the walls to reach her destination. Same thing as Alex being brought down by bullets.
Gamma bursts have the same yield as nuke and the hulk can do it as many times as he wants. I don’t think mercer can take multiple nuke to the face. Either way the hulk could just as easily eat him or launch him into the sun. And no Mercer is no where near as fast as the hulk or as strong so resistance is futile.
Yes Kharne uses that plasma pistol for more then show. Mostly to shoot cowards in the back or keep them pinned down to let Gorechild go to work. Not that he’d need it Kharne would butcher Alex. He kills bloodthirsters for fun and butchers entire imperial guard regiments like cattle. And as for his armour yes he can take a lascanon since he wears custom made articifer armour blessed by khorne himself.
@midnight
not grasping at straws i actually dont think he can radiate electricity he only seems to be able to channel the energy through his hands to do attacks
his attacks are electricity they arent all as powerful as lightning they are a much lighter electric shock
through playing the game i havent seen him go anywhere near the speed mercer can he may be able to hit harder using his powers but nowhere in the game can he move faster
also alex didnt die after getting hit by a nuke sure he melted but was still alive
and what does cole have to completely destroy every molecule in alexs body…because alex wont be dead unless that happens
so of course you think cole is going to win if you exaggerate his powers and even make some new ones up for him to have
@Cyborg-I’m not making up powers first of all I’m going by what the wiki says. The wiki says that he can charge nodes in his brain and his muscles to move faster. I’m inclined to believe the wiki. Whether or not as fast as mercer is debateble but it says when using sniper bolt attack time slows down. they explained why that happens is because Cole charged nodes in his brain to make himself faster then everyone around him. It also calls his basic attack a lightning bolt not a shock. I’m inclined to believe that. As for the nuke thing if hit with a single bolt will Mercer die. No. But a porlonged charge of lightning that burns at 54,000 degrees will turn him to ash. He can just keep blasting him until there’s nothing left.
And since there’s no stated battleground for this fight I assume its on Mercers home turf of NY which gives Cole all the nergy he needs to turn Alex to ash. Also prove to me you must destroy every molecule to kill Alex because what I’ve seen so far he was almost dead but was a pool of sludge. Reduce that to a scorch mark on the concrete and I doubt he’s coming back and unless you prove it with documented evidence its pure specualtion that he can exist as a microscopic organism completely devoid of the necessary mass required to create an organ for complex thought.
As for only being able to generate it thrugh his hands you are wrong. Through out the game he’s shown to able to radiate though his feet and to create a shockwave that disperses in all directions from his body. He uses most of his powers out his hand because obviously its easier to direct it in a direction that way but for an area effect attack its not necessary. Hell even the picture at the top shows him radiating electricity.
@midnight
i assume the dispersion through the feet you are talking about is when he is sliding on the powerline…if it is then you are wrong he is absorbing the energy from them you can see the energy bar recharge as you are sliding
the attacks are not lightning if they were then a single shot would completely decimate any of the gang members he fights would be killed almost instantly with that kind of voltage but it takes 2 or 3 hits if they arent head shots
and considering alex takes missiles on a regular basis and just keeps going that takes the rocket and grenades out of play
he moves faster but compared to mercer it is nothing he just makes regular people look like they are in slomo
alex is a virus the actual alex doesnt really exist anymore the virus just takes his form so a single cell of it can infect anything that is alive and he will simply reform
cole doesnt have the reaction time needed to keep track of mercer to hit him with the lighningstrike which is the only thing that can stop mercer
mercer is too fast for cole to beat
Once again your listing game mechanics. The reason why they nerf the damage is so the game won’t be too easy. How would metroid play if all of Samus’ shots killed enemies in one hit which they should based on the fact she outputs nuclear blasts with every shot basically.
Second already listed why Cole can keep up with Alex. If you look at the gameplay they both move very similar even float through the air the same. The reason why Alex moves faster in his game is because prototype is a faster paced game in general. But they more then likely have the same speed or similar to it. Alex is the fastest in his game and Cole is the second fastest in his game.
As for the whole microscopic thing you still haven’t provided proof of this. Where is this said give me the link to where it says that Alex can survive as a microscopic organism?
After reading Belisaurius’s posts about Kharn, I facepalmed repeatedly.
And no, Alex stands no chance against Cole.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZu6OCF4EV0&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=CCEF8771718A269B
Thats why.
you do realise that the game mechanics count considering the only form these people are in that i know of is in game (that i know of)
the reason cole cant keep up is due to alexs speed jump thing he does while flying and he flies at a much faster pace than cole
and you cant say that this is because the game is faster/slower because there is only the game to go by for proof
and also mercer isnt a person he a group of cells that are a virus
and if you look up viruses u will see that they are microscopic
@Cyborg-No just no. I just told you the infamous wiki said everything I said. You are just choosing to ignore the facts even though they are right in your face. As for the virus I said I wanted a link not just your word prove to me that Alex can survive being turned into a scorch mark on the concrete. Proving it means providing a published base for your info.
PowersCole is a powerful electrokinetic that can draw and control huge amounts of electricity throughout his body and store it there. This has several beneficial effects, besides electrical manipulation, the electricity running throughout his body greatly accelerates the body’s natural ability to repair damage by stimulating the muscle tissue, this also allows for his muscles to absorb physical trauma to a far greater degree than normal humans, granting the ability to survive falls from extreme heights with practically no harm to his body. He has not fully adapted to his powers as of yet, as he only just gained them.
As he begins to gain control of his powers he can only create a stream of electrical discharge through his palms in the form of Lightning Bolts, and absorb electricity from nearby sources, but soon discovers various other abilities, such as the Thunder Drop; charging up large amounts of electrical energy within his body while falling and dispersing it in a powerful shockwave on contact with the ground, creating spheres of electrical energy that can be used as projectiles and rapidly disperse in a concussive force equivalent to that of grenades or missiles, the ability to either drain bio-electrical energy from living beings or send his own bio-electrical energy into someone else to heal them, accelerating the body’s natural healing processes temporarily; the ability to, if in contact with a person’s head, read the electrical currents of the brain and see their memories, even in the recently deceased. The ability to create electrokinetic forcefields capable of blocking rapidly moving projectiles, and even manipulate electrical currents within the air to create powerful streams of lightning to fall from the sky which he can fully control. But if Kessler, a fully developed electrokinetic, is any indication, his powers are still immature despite being so powerful already, and can still develop and master many powers.
this is what i found on coles powers on the inFamous wiki
nowhere could i find in the wiki that he could make himself go faster other than the sniper shot thingo so keeping track of mercer is out and the sniper mode not only drains the energy from cole but also doesnt increase how fast he can move but more his reaction time…which makes other peoples normal movement seem slow
i was wrong about him being able to radiate electricity from his body but this is only a mild electric current unless focused by the drop
also i found nothing in the site stating that his attacks were weakened for the game and it mainly states that he is new to his powers and by looking at the destructive power that the drop has it would take a full power direct hit for it to do any real damage to mercer anything less would be a knockback effect
it says in the following link that alex mercer is dead and that he is the virus
virusus are microscopic organisms that infect the host it would only take one cell to survive and he would still be technically alive then he just needs to touch something with a little bit of bio mass like the crow on the cutscene and he can reform
his attacks are far too powerful for cole to defend against and his movement is to swift for cole to track
cole has one weapon that can kill mercer that is the lightning strike but that is too hard to use on a fast moving target like mercer
prototype.wikia.com/wiki/Alex_Mercer
infamous.wikia.com/wiki/Cole_MacGrath
@Cyborg-You still haven’t proven to me that Alex can survive as a scorch mark on the ground. Also it doesn’t have to state that his abilities are weakened in-game because its obvious. A single jolt of eletricity thats at defibillater level can kill a man via stopping of the heart. Your telling me in real life a man can take 3-4 bolts of electricity numbered at terawatt level. Even 500,000 wats is deadly. Be serious with yourself.
As for reaction its obvious it also increases his speed. Your reaction time is basically your reflexes ie. how fast you can react to a stimulant like a punch, pain, ect. It doesn’t make people move in slowmotion. If that was the case people move in slo-mo to dare devil which they most certainly don’t. So the only explanation as to why others move slowly when using this ability is either he slow down time or he moves so fast that everyone appears slower.
the reaction time is how fast he can proces the thought and make action to it he doesnt move any faster just can process the information faster therefore give him more time to make the movement and i dont recall saying that the people do move in slow motion more that they appear to move in slow motion because each movement is getting processed at a much faster rate
it doesnt say that it is weakened because there is nothing else to compare it too so we should take the information given too us as fact and not make up different power levels to suit our own arguement
and finally i never said he can survive as a scorch mark on the ground i said that he can survive as a cell it was you who asked me to prove that he can survive as a scorch mark which he cannot
mercer will appear very fast even if cole uses the sniper shot thing and cole will still struggle to gain him as a target all the while he is losing energy meanwhile alex will be moveing very fast will not be tiring and wont be getting damaged because cole cant hit him
alex need only to hit cole once to end his life maybe twice he can do this from range or close although i think cole will be able to avoid the ranged strike
if alex uses his shield he will have a whole lot more defence while keeping his acrobatics or he can simply throw cars with ease at cole keeping cole moving and not being able to shoot while alex gets closer and closer
alex wins because he wont be able to target alex long enough to get a shot off
Yes we use the information as given but exclude gameplay mechanics. They call the power a lightning bolt so its a lightning bolt and whether you like it or not I really don’t care. It is what it is. If it wasn’t a lightning bolt it would be named differently.
As for reation speed yes thats what I said in a different matter but you can’t process information that hasn’t manifested itself yet. High reaction speed doesn’t slow things down it increase your ability to react to sadi catalyst. So once again the only logical explanation is either he increased his speed or slowed down time. Either one is feasible since Kessler demonstrated the ability to time travel and Kessler is Cole.
kessler is cole in the future not cole now its what he will be in a different time and kessler went back to change that which he did and while he may be a variant of coles he is also a diferent character
the attack may be called a lightning bolt but due to the small size has nowhere near the power of a real one and would do next to nothing against alex and the little it does do is easily healed
oh and i played inFamous to check out the precision sniper thingo
and it doesnt actually look like he speeds up it more slows down everything including himself and zooms in in order to gain a more precise shot
the only attack that can destroy alex is the lightning strike which cole wont be able to connect due to alex’s ridiculously high manueveurability(probably spelt wrong) and speed and with all the misses of coles he will soon be out of energy
I never mentioned become non-conductive. That’s idiotic when Cole could simply force electricity through him anyway.
I say that Mercer goes super-conductive and redirects the charge away from his nervosystem. Hitting him with lightning would be like using a lasgun on a piece of glass.
Oh, and being eventually killed by continual bonbardment from the USMC is a gameplay mechanic. Story-wise, nothing can kill Mercer.
Kessler is a non-issue here. Kessler is not Cole and Cole is not yet Kessler.
Once again, it may or may not be debatable if Alex can utterly outclass Cole in physical movement. One this for certain is that he still is at a terrible disadvantage given the speed of Cole’s attacks. He cannot outrun Lightning, and he wouldn’t be able to completely dodge an onslaught of such quick strikes. Now could he do as Belisaurius suggests? I wouldn’t bet on it, but even if he could — several bursts of 50,000 degree shots are still going to damage him.
Pointing out what electricity could do to the nervous system was just another thing Cole potentially has over Alex, not the ONLY way Cole’s attacks would affect him.
@sparks
my arguement doesnt involve alex dodging the attacks themselves but that alex is too fast for cole to target properly which will mean he cant hit alex
and the only thing that could do real damage to him would be the lightning strike
the rest of his attacks just lack the energy or are too slow to be effective
No, his most basic attack is a “lightning bolt” that is a bolt that travels at some 75,000+ miles per second. It may not pack the brute force of his Lightning Strike, but it has the speed and heat necessary to hit and hurt Alex. From what i’ve seen, on the ground Alex can maybe propel himself 60-80 miles per hour. Even if we were very generous and said that he could move at 100,120, 130, etc. He is still far too slow to dodge Cole’s attacks.
When Cole enters precision mode trains slow down from his perspective.
**by the way
The fastest train can supposedly propel itself at 357 miles per hour, I don’t know enough about trains to confirm this though.
The whole point of super conductivity is that you don’t warm up when several thousand volts pass through you.
Look, find a power cord and tell me, is it burning hot? Many conductive materials don’t even get warm to 50k volts.
The worst Mercer will get is a small epidermal burn which is regenerated instantly.
Oh, and Sparks, most trains slow down to 30 something MPH in urban areas and around turns.
What are you basing it off of though, Mercer going super conductive I mean.
You said a military company being able to kill him with bullets or missiles was game mechanics, i’m assuming it’s because of his thick armor.
We base Cole’s lightning bolts not being able to 1-shot everything off of game mechanics because the game would be much too simple.
I don’t get where you’re saying Alex can make himself more or less conductable though. I have prototype also, it’s not biased I just don’t understand.
In fact against Specialist Cross he did use an electrical weapon. So you could either Omitt that entire fight and say “It was just so the boss would be tough” or you could ask “Is there a special reason he happens to be using an electrical weapon? Could it be a weakness of Alex’s”
There just isn’t enough evidence to say “He can change his levels of conductivity” because nothing of the sort was present in the game.
He adapted to a bio-weapon tailor made to kill him in a couple days. It’s also pretty hard to gauge his resistance to electrical attack when he was only exposed to it on two occasions.
Lightning is analogious. There is no factory standard bolt. I had assumed that the bolts were underpowered. I don’t think that dumbing it down as a gameplay mechanic was needed.
I say it’s possible because the supreme hunter killed cross in melee. We know that because it consumed Cross in order to get aboard the carrier. Knowing the Supreme Hunter’s attack patterns, it would have to weather Cross’s taser in order to make physical contact.
Since the Supreme Hunter was created after Mercer encountered Cross, I’d say that he had already developed a resistance to electrical attacks.
Nah I didn’t take that from Cross being consumed. I just made notice that the taser more harm to Alex than a single missile, which is why i’d consider it a weakness — It doesn’t mean that it would one shot Alex. The first encounter you still beat cross, regardless if he gets in a hit or two with a more effective shot. Alex and the Hunter were just to powerful for Cross to deal with.
In InFamous, Alden was said to have a stronger attack than Cole, but in the end Cole just happened to beat him. I don’t assume Cole had developed a way to prevent Alden’s telikinetic attacks, I think he just didn’t give Alden a chance to use it.
As for Cole’s bolts being underpowered — even going from game mechanics the other stuff his normal shots do would kill any human in one shot.
His bolts IN GAME can melt certain steel towers and bend them.
His bolts can also power up an entire patch of a train rail.
That is enough heat and enough voltage to melt the human skin and/or severley disrupt a nervous system.
The ACTUAL speed of his bolts, if you’re choosing to say they are not on the speed level of ‘traditional’ or ‘natural’ lightning are still clearly faster than Alex can run, fly or dash. So the same disadvantages would still apply.