Suggested by Tim
What would he think when he sees how humanity in this reality has become?
What would he make of the God Emperor of Mankind?
What would he think of the forces of Chaos and their Gods?
What would he do about these things and others?
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Thank’s admin! I suggested this a while ago and had forgotten about it but know it’s here I’m really exited about it. I know how popular Warhammer 40K is on this site and I really like the Doctor Who universe so I think this will hopefully get a decent amount of discussion(especially as The Doctor is someone who is actually overpowered enough to survive in 40k).
i think the doctor would despair at seeing the human race in the WH40K universe that is until an inquistor reads his mind and finds out he is an alien with advanced knowledge of time travel and they would capture him which has been shown on any number of times he can be caught and then they would begin to torture him with physical and mental probes until he cracked or the information was mentally extracted from him because the doctor has shown limited psychic powers but know where in the range that the IOM can unleash and with this knowledge the IOM would launch full tilt in to time travel experiments for the ultimate goal of correcting all IOM failures and the removal of its enemies added to the fact they would gain the albility to create and gain power from black holes giving them unlimited energy and perhaps give rise to a new dark time lord race with the ideals of the IOM leaving humanity the only sentient species in the universe and then a crusade to conquer all other existing universes
@Shaun 182
Will an interesting post you have, I do have a small bit of advice that might be helpful. I would consider it a benefit (and most people would also), that adding a period every now and then, will help one’s post be easier and more understandable to read. Just a suggestion mate, but I thought it might help.
- the pondering fool
Spelling, punctuation, correct grammar; I’ve called him out in the past, yet it has somehow gotten progressively worse as time has passed.
I dare not read the second post in lieu of the threat of nausea.
“Spelling, punctuation, correct grammar; I’ve called him out in the past, yet it has somehow gotten progressively worse as time has passed.
I dare not read the second post in lieu of the threat of nausea.”
While I agree with you that punctuation and etc, is key to a coherent and understandable argument, I do have a question? Are you on a holy war against shaun182 ? Just seems like every time you post on a thread that he has previously posted on, it is about how idiotic or doltish he is. This is not an attack on you, or an insult, just an honest question, from an ignorant person…..
- the pondering fool
If you think shaun’s posts are even slightly poor in grammar (which I would agree with) then don’t even try to read “fight”‘s (or “copycat” same poster).
He will type a gigantic post with absolutely no punctuation of any kind at all. He also likes to repeat words in a row, making the start and end of sentences completely ambiguous.
If there is one poster on this site that I just can’t stand it is “fight”. I have nothing against the person, but man he just refuses to abide by any grammar rules and is intent on making the most enormous posts too.
Nobody is expecting error-less posts, I am sure I have a typo or two in this one, but simple punctuation makes a HUGE difference in legibility.
“Are you on a holy war against shaun182 ? Just seems like every time you post on a thread that he has previously posted on, it is about how idiotic or doltish he is. This is not an attack on you, or an insult, just an honest question, from an ignorant person…..”
Holy war seems to be the wrong term, but ever since Frieza fled this site in shame I have been looking for a new whipping boy to keep up my interest in this site. Perhaps I’m merely projecting my irritation I feel over the events of that entire 1300 post thread, perhaps I’m tired of Factpile in general and just need a break for a while, or maybe the dry Australian summer is making me more irritable than usual.
either way, whenever i see someone type out a message like this the reptilian portion of my brain starts to tithe over with a red mist that obscures my better judgment possibly causing me to act somewhat more course than usual
^ Seriously, how can the above sentence not piss you off?
“then don’t even try to read “fight”’s (or “copycat” same poster).”
Fortunately I had little to no interaction with that individual, so I avoided that potential hernia all together.
“^ Seriously, how can the above sentence not piss you off?”
Nah, it is seen as an unfortunate malady that has stricken some unfortunate soul……I always try to correct politely, but if that does not work, I just cry out at the shameful state the English language is in…..
“If you think shaun’s posts are even slightly poor in grammar (which I would agree with) then don’t even try to read “fight”’s (or “copycat” same poster).”
Should I mention DRAGON or Dave Fontes? I don’t know who was more unfortunate………tis a shame, that another two were lost to the mindlessness of incoherent thought process…..
- the pondering fool
So about the topic at hand.
The doctor would probably just spy on the imperium. He may also want to learn more about the war and the multitudes of factions that are present in the warhammer universe before he even takes action.
You know, he is going to want to know what is so threatning about warhammer when he sees gods walking around with uber cannons.
Wo wo, we’re talking bad spelling and grammer and I’m not even an honorable mention? I feel slightly insulted… But bad grammer aside I agree with Shahn’s idea, sounds very pausiable.
As above, I’m pretty sure he would despair at the route humanity had taken in it’s development. He’d probably be intrigued by the ideas of the God-Emperor and Chaos, the Emperor moreso because he’d probably look around at all of the Cathedrals and religious imagery, and surmise that it’s he who is to blame for the poor state of humanity in the 40K Universe.
As such, he’d probably make it his mission to go off and find the truth about him: infiltrate Holy Terra, get past the Custodian Guard and confront the Emperor face-to-face about what he’s done to the human race. Whether he’d be successful in that mission is another question entirely.
Now we have discussed my poor grammar, can we please return to the topic at hand before this degenerates into a dumping ground against me as the majority of post’s are about me and not the subject at hand
Well, the Chaos gods probably couldn’t demoralise him. In one episode he efeectively gave a Satan-esque creature the middle finger.
The Chaos God’s could corrupt through showing him images of his homeworld and family restored, like how they corrupted horus by showing him visions of the future unknowing his switching to chaos is what causes them to come true.
So a corrupted time lord in a realm where space and time are malleable to his whim and desire, he would most likely become a servant to tzeentch till he can find away to over through him and gain the power to create a new gallifrey.
I think the doctor would despair at seeing the human race in the WH40K universe.
That is until an inquistor reads his mind and finds out he is an alien with advanced knowledge of time travel, and they would capture him which has been shown on any number of times he can be caught and then they would begin to torture him with physical and mental probes until he cracked or the information was mentally extracted from him because the doctor has shown limited psychic powers but know where in the range that the IOM can unleash.
And with this knowledge the IOM would launch full tilt in to time travel experiments, for the ultimate goal of correcting all IOM failures and the removal of its enemies.
Added to the fact they would gain the albility to create and gain power from black holes giving them unlimited energy, and perhaps give rise to a new dark time lord race with the ideals of the IOM, leaving humanity the only sentient species in the universe and then a crusade to conquer all other existing universes.
a re-edited version since the last one was rather bulky and hard to read
I think the doctor would go into hiding until he makes contact with someone or something that he find as sharing his ideal. Then he would lend his power to them and support their cause.
He would probably be executed by a pysker after said pysker finds out he knows nothing about the Emperor.
So if the doctor is in the 40k universe does this mean his tardis is there also, would this mean the IOM or other factions would try to backwards engineer its technology like humans do in the episode “turn left”.
or would they find it to heretical and attempt to destroy it.
I meant for him to have his TARDIS as well as all his usual equipment like his Sonic Screwdriver when I suggested this, I just didn’t specify as I assumed it would be taken for granted.
If he really put his mind to it he could do allot of damage in the 40k world I reckon.
@LW regardless of grammar etc, your posts make my brain hurt.
its okay L-W shaun is… special….
oh and the doctor would have corn over for dinner…
Wasn’t it stated that his Type 40 TARDIS can cause stars to go Supernova?
Plus the fact that he can travel through time…….
well, the doctor would be pretty deppressed when he saw humanity.
we have in 40k become his worst enemy in mind.
we think like daleks, we are superior, all other races are dirt to us.
we even have our own dalek emperor, but this one cannot die.
the doctor might at first seek refuge with the Tau, as at a glance they might seem to have more honorable intentions than the imperium.
then the doctor would become even more depressed when he finds ou about the tau concentration camps and racial discrimination within the empire
(i think that only the tau are allowed certain rights, and they are trying to force the kroot away from the kroot’s ancestors religions and ways of life)
the doctor would then most likely meet up with the eldar, as they would be one of the first groups to recognize his special skills (and the tardis)
although the eldar are sometimes a bit too drastic for the doctor to get on with them well.
the dark eldar…no…just…no…
orks? too violent
the tyranids? not sentient enough
the necrons…?
as for chaos, the doctor has faced the beast, but the beast was hardly comparable to chaos in terms of power.
so in all likelyhood, the doctor would just sit in the tardis and cry for a few days because of how alien his beloved humanity has become, essentially creating a human empire of dalek ideals.
if he was captured by the imperium, and they sussed the tardis out, then we would wind up with an unreclaimable dead world, as the imperium attempts to change history would create a time paradox and bring forth the reapers.
sucks to be the doctor, no?
“as for chaos, the doctor has faced the beast, but the beast was hardly comparable to chaos in terms of power.
so in all likelyhood, the doctor would just sit in the tardis and cry for a few days because of how alien his beloved humanity has become, essentially creating a human empire of dalek ideals.
if he was captured by the imperium, and they sussed the tardis out, then we would wind up with an unreclaimable dead world, as the imperium attempts to change history would create a time paradox and bring forth the reapers.
sucks to be the doctor, no?”
Seeing that the Doctor, when pushed, has been known to commit genocide. The Imperium would never capture him for one thing. He can cause the TARDIS to appear around him with Huon particles that he has on his person and they will not get in the TARDIS. Plus the fact they he will probably change history by fixing the Necron’s(or what they used to be) star preventing the war with the Old Ones. This handles the Eldar, Orks, Necrons, and Chaos in one fell swoop. He makes sure he gets rid of the Tyranids and plus he can get rid of the GEOM if he is too troublesome.
“its okay L-W shaun is… special….
oh and the doctor would have corn over for dinner…”
thats Khorne not corn just thought the special person would help you out
one prob with ghanging history:
DONT
the doctor doesnt change history becuase it fucks up the tardis and summons the reapers
reapers = BAD
“one prob with ghanging history:
DONT
the doctor doesnt change history becuase it fucks up the tardis and summons the reapers
reapers = BAD”
The Doctor changes history all the time. Only some events that are changed will summon Reapers. The Doctor himself caused the Volcano Pompei to go off.
Plus, this is in Warhammer 40k verse, not in DW verse. There are no reavers here.
Reapers, I mean reapers.
“Seeing that the Doctor, when pushed, has been known to commit genocide. The Imperium would never capture him for one thing. He can cause the TARDIS to appear around him with Huon particles that he has on his person and they will not get in the TARDIS. Plus the fact they he will probably change history by fixing the Necron’s(or what they used to be) star preventing the war with the Old Ones. This handles the Eldar, Orks, Necrons, and Chaos in one fell swoop. He makes sure he gets rid of the Tyranids and plus he can get rid of the GEOM if he is too troublesome.”
Since causing the destruction of his own and dalek races nearly emotionally destroyed him i cant imagine him, doing it against the human race no matter how ever evil they may become.
the doctor has been captured on so many occasions its ridiculus, he has just been lucky enough to appeal to someone sense of decency and conviced them to help, something the IOM is not well known for.
And he was only able to summon the Tardis because he was in a building with a great quanity of houn particle not because he has great swarm of them around him 24/7.
He would not change the WH40k history since he does not change set advents he allows them to be carried out such as he did in pompeii
so all it would take is an imperial official- space marine, inquisitor or any other number of groups or individuals, to over hear him or read his mind which would lead to the doctor being thrown into a small dark hole to await torture then death while the IOM squeezes every last bit of infomation from him.
only imagine what would happen if had a assistant with him.
“Plus, this is in Warhammer 40k verse, not in DW verse. There are no reavers here”
the reapers live outside time, so im guessing that they can access any dimension from this outer dimension.
and like what i think shaun said: the doctor has never really changed history, he has just set off events that actually happened.
“the reapers live outside time, so im guessing that they can access any dimension from this outer dimension.
and like what i think shaun said: the doctor has never really changed history, he has just set off events that actually happened.”
But its a different multi-verse all together. And if it does summon Reapers, it handles Warhammer 40k, doesn’t it?
Events have changed because of his actions though, and events have happened that don’t set off the Reapers. (Left Turn for example)
Anyways, the Reapers have only showed up in one episode, what happened to them when all the other paradoxes popped up?
I cant believe the doctor who is cautious about changing a relativily small event in history would be so reckless and change the course of history for an entire universe, it goes completly against his character.
“Events have changed because of his actions though, and events have happened that don’t set off the Reapers. (Left Turn for example)”
fuck me, i dont know what to say.
“But its a different multi-verse all together. And if it does summon Reapers, it handles Warhammer 40k, doesn’t it? ”
i dont believe that the doctor is capable of killing an entire galaxy, on a moral side, his base beliefs would just prevent him from doing something that bad.
perhaps reapers only appear for certain types of paradox and reapers couldn’t travel between the DW universe and the 40K universe since the interdimensional barriers are sealed and thats according to the doctor.
“perhaps reapers only appear for certain types of paradox and reapers couldn’t travel between the DW universe and the 40K universe since the interdimensional barriers are sealed and thats according to the doctor.”
ok, counts of people fucking with the interdimensional walls
*the doctor did it 2nd series (modern)
*the daleks did it
*the cybermen exploited the daleks doing it
*rose built an interdimensional battering ram
*fuck knows what else
“Since causing the destruction of his own and dalek races nearly emotionally destroyed him i cant imagine him, doing it against the human race no matter how ever evil they may become.
the doctor has been captured on so many occasions its ridiculus, he has just been lucky enough to appeal to someone sense of decency and conviced them to help, something the IOM is not well known for.
And he was only able to summon the Tardis because he was in a building with a great quanity of houn particle not because he has great swarm of them around him 24/7.
He would not change the WH40k history since he does not change set advents he allows them to be carried out such as he did in pompeii
so all it would take is an imperial official- space marine, inquisitor or any other number of groups or individuals, to over hear him or read his mind which would lead to the doctor being thrown into a small dark hole to await torture then death while the IOM squeezes every last bit of infomation from him.
only imagine what would happen if had a assistant with him.”
All right, that makes me want to pull out Doctor Who EU.
All of this is posted by Tik from Spacebattles dealing with the Doctor’s unknown abilities.
“A Time Lord is notoriously difficult to attack using psychic power/telepathy. For example, they can re-order and re-program their neural pathways at will cutting out any outside interference/telepathy. They can also sense if another species is telepathic and, if this isn’t enough, the sonic screwdriver can detect this too. All in all Time Lords have 27 different senses, including many that will enable the Doctor to sense any psychic activity and the higher dimensions of reality.
For example, his sonic screwdriver can detect psychic connections and, more crucially, interfere with them and shut them down. He has had experience with these sort of psychically controlled enemies before and used such tactics in the past (eg in Rose). In Timewyrm: Revelation the Timewyrm noticed that on a quantum level, the Doctor’s brain could receive information from possible futures enabling him to make the correct choices which we humans would attribute to the Doctor being “lucky”.
Not only is a Time Lord by himself psychically cabable (they have been known to use telepathy over galactic distances….even Time Lord corpses are telepathicaly active) he shares a psionic link with his TARDIS which can boost his powers and protect him from attack. They can also implant post-hypnotic suggestions in people who are trying to read their minds.
A Time Lord needs such defenses because they attract poweful transtemporal beings who exist outside of linear time. These beings will try to force them to become their slave and would succeed if not for a Time Lords defenses.
As for the so called problem with guns and bullets…..well, the sonic screwdriver was shown to be able to generate a forcefield in the IDW comics and was also shown to be able to stop bullets and take apart guns in Peacemaker.
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In the novel Peacemaker the Doctor stops a gunfight by using his sonic screwdriver to take apart the guns and stop the bullets in mid air.
In the episode The War Games the Doctor uses his sonic screwdriver to take apart a characters gun to prove he is an advanced alien.
It should come as no supprise to learn that the sonic screwdriver can be used in such a way. The blasted thing can do more or less anything and I highly doubt the guns in this scenario are deadlocked sealed.
The sonic screwdriver has interfered with/deactivated psychic energy before (eg in Rose it deactivated the psychic link of an Auton, in the Ghosts of India it deactivated a psychic shield, etc). The TARDIS is even more useful in locating, containing, and disabling psychic energy. Even K-9 can locate psychic wavelengths.
Plus theres all the random tech the Doctor stores in his TARDIS (like the psionic field detector used in The Deadstone Memorial…coincidently, a device that was effective against ghosts). All this stuff the Doctor can bring into play here. The Doctor can shield himself effectively against psychic attack.
Ultimately the Doctor knows loads of dimensions to dump Alma in to. He’s done it to much more powerful creatures, like Fenric.
His intelligence and experience with this sort of thing for a start.
And whats stopping the Doctor from drawing Alma into his mind, traping her there and crushing her out of existence (examples include Something Inside and the Timewyrm books)?
If you’re suggesting they kill him whilst he’s inside the TARDIS getting some tech thats literally impossible. Only creatures of almost limitless power can psychically invade the TARDIS and the TARDIS itself is more or less indestructable.
The Doctor has literally hundreds of years worth of experience against psychic danger. He has the knowledge to work out whats happening and how to stop it. He’s faced psychics much more powerful than Alma, some that have even destroyed galaxies with their mind before. The Doctor has the advantage of experience, tech, psychic defense, and vast intelligence.
With his intelligence he can work out how to nullify the psychic danger of Alma for example. He can detect her psychic wavelengths. He can use tech to contain her. He can manipulate her. He can find a way to contain her extra powerful telesthetic signature, the source of her Liquify power. Etc, etc, etc.
Time Lords are incredibly adept at infiltration. Their TARDISes blend into any culture and War era Time Lords regenerate into any form to blend in. They frequently change cultures or destroy them without deploying weapons.
Thought I might list a few things the sonic screwdriver has done:
Takes apart guns.
Stops bullets.
Detects booby-traps.
Detects and detonates mines.
Deactivates mines.
Acts as a kind of Geiger-counter for many things, even anti-matter.
Detonates marsh gas.
Wards off animals, even giant man eating magots.
Sedates animals.
Distracts animals.
Deactivates robots and androids.
Confuses sensors onboard spaceships.
Deactivates generators.
De-hypnotises people.
Detonates explosives/bombs.
Remotely activates equipment.
Constructs a wide variety of equipment eg laser guns, mind-control helmet, etc.
Fixes a wide range of equipment eg a decades old burnt out vortex manipulator.
Can be used as a power source.
Can be used as a miniture sonic lance to cut out things eg locks, metal, concrete, etc.
Detects and sends signals.
Intercepts and reverses teleportation.
Burns, cuts, and ignites substances.
Fuses metal.
Can be used as a torch.
Traces transmission beams.
Reflects/deflects weapons eg a sonic cannon.
Cauterises wounds.
Stops mechanisms.
Can be used as a soldering iron.
Liquefies tarmac and solidifies it.
Scans things.
Can be used as a medical scanner.
Detects and stops telepathic signals.
Interfaces with computers.
Charges batteries.
Rusts metal.
Increases radiation in devices.
Apparently contains 29 computers.
Apparently has over 8500 different settings.
Oh…..and it can open things.
Not true. Omega didn’t even attack Gallifrey, he was just draining all energy/power out of the universe and the Time Lords couldn’t prevent the power drain.
Intrestingly, Time Lords can turn themselves into beings of pure energy. But thanks to the Dimensional Ethics Committee they decided that this was not the way to go – “Gallifreyans had traditionally resisted the urge to transform into beings of pure energy.”
Q are not unique creatures from the Time Lords point of view:
“I’ve studied things, you see. You, like the other Great Old Ones, exist between the dimensions, creating universes, planes… whatever… to suit yourselves. I know all that. I have encountered a few of you, you know.” – The Doctor.”
You are underestimating the Doctor.
the 40k universe is just too hostile and too dark for the doctor to find anyone to befriend him. and the doctor is just not violent enough to purge an entire dimension.
face it, the doctor himself becomes the enemy here, as he cannot commit genocide on the scale required to pacify the 40k universe, so he would likely be captured by the inquisition (they have faced more powerful foes than the doctor), corrupted by chaos (no soul is safe) or just sit in the tardis and spend his last days crying
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The Doctor is darker than you have seen.
““A Time Lord is notoriously difficult to attack using psychic power/telepathy. For example, they can re-order and re-program their neural pathways at will cutting out any outside interference/telepathy. They can also sense if another species is telepathic and, if this isn’t enough, the sonic screwdriver can detect this too. All in all Time Lords have 27 different senses, including many that will enable the Doctor to sense any psychic activity and the higher dimensions of reality.
Timelords maybe powerful telepaths in their own universe however they have never faced anything like an alpha level telepath, who have the power to control whole worlds with their minds so turned against one individual not matter how gifted stands no real chance.
“As for the so called problem with guns and bullets…..well, the sonic screwdriver was shown to be able to generate a forcefield in the IDW comics and was also shown to be able to stop bullets and take apart guns in Peacemaker.”
A great deal of 40k weapons are energy based with no bullets to stop, however even he did take apart their guns they could just physically grap hold of him.
Epecially if the person in question is a space marine, so the moment the doctor pointed his screw driver at him he would brake his wrist and remove it from him.
“Plus theres all the random tech the Doctor stores in his TARDIS (like the psionic field detector used in The Deadstone Memorial…coincidently, a device that was effective against ghosts). All this stuff the Doctor can bring into play here. The Doctor can shield himself effectively against psychic attack.”
His Tardis is a formidble machine but is only useful if he has access to it.
“The Doctor has literally hundreds of years worth of experience against psychic danger. He has the knowledge to work out whats happening and how to stop it.”
there our numerous individuals with centuries of experiance within the 40k universe well versed in warfare and infomation extraction
the doctor is powerful entity no doubt but the imperium has dealt with numerous powerful entities and still exists.
“A great deal of 40k weapons are energy based with no bullets to stop, however even he did take apart their guns they could just physically grap hold of him.”
yeah, and space marines dont even need guns to kick ass
space marine: halt in the name of the Emperor
doctor: hello stranger best be careful because u see this, this is a sonic screwdriver not a weapon but mighty fine tool…
(doctor screams in agony)
space marine: strange it doesnt seem to be working so well now that i have crushed it into your hand, i believe the inquistion shall have a few questions for you.
(knocks doctor out with slight tap to head and carries him off in the direction of nearest black fortress)
The Doctor is the main person that has defeated Daleks, beings that would rape 40k. You two are fanwanking now.
How does having “they have been known to use telepathy over galactic distances….even Time Lord corpses are telepathicaly active)” level psionics make him weaker than psykers? I sense more fan wank.
“A great deal of 40k weapons are energy based with no bullets to stop, however even he did take apart their guns they could just physically grap hold of him.”
Sonic Screwdriver can create forcefields. I already posted said link.
“His Tardis is a formidble machine but is only useful if he has access to it.”
He has access to it.
“the doctor is powerful entity no doubt but the imperium has dealt with numerous powerful entities and still exists”
Message by Tik:
The Whonverse is being seriously understated here. Everyone seems to be concentrating on the better known races ie the Time Lords and the Daleks. But, as mentioned briefly before, there are bigger and more powerful things out there.
The Eternals, for example, are basically the Whoniverse’s Q. They can change history as they please, create and unmake worlds, etc.
The Chronovores eat alternate timelines and dimensions whole.
The Guardians by themselves will be able to deal with any threat. As well as powers other cosmics use (creating worlds, changing history, stopping time, etc) they also are powerful enough to do what they want to Q level beings (eg Eternals). Under the OP, they will be working together meaning they will be able to use the Key to Time freely. They could, for example, freeze the entire universe, pick out the threat, and remove it from existance.
The Swimmers live in the Void between universes, are vaster than whole universes, and crush whole universes when they get close to ‘em.
The Fendahl is a creature that could drain any form of energy from their prey, effectively sucking out their life force. It could devour all life in the universe.
The Fendahl Predator is something that evolved to devour the Fendahl. It is “a living absence which insinuates itself into subatomic quantum interactions, collapses the alternate probabilities by the act of its observation and feeds upon the energies thus released.” It’s a Memeovore which devours concept….for example it devoured the concept of “circles” resulting in future humans not knowing of the existence of circles. Its reach encompasses all of time and space.
The Celestis are Time Lords who removed themselves from history and detached themselves from the physical plane of existence, making themselves concepts and ideas.
Theres the Osirians, the Dæmons, The Mad Mind of Bophemeral, the People, etc, etc, etc. There are many powerful species in the Whoniverse.
As for the issue of Demat guns, we have seen more in the EU. For example, in The Taking of Planet 5 a Time Lord tries to shoot Compassion with one.
“space marine: halt in the name of the Emperor
doctor: hello stranger best be careful because u see this, this is a sonic screwdriver not a weapon but mighty fine tool…
(doctor screams in agony)
space marine: strange it doesnt seem to be working so well now that i have crushed it into your hand, i believe the inquistion shall have a few questions for you.
(knocks doctor out with slight tap to head and carries him off in the direction of nearest black fortress)”
Fanwank if I have ever seen it.
Doctor can just phase into energy and wipe him from existance you know.
perhaps we do underestimate the doctor however no where near your over estimation of him
“The Whonverse is being seriously understated here. Everyone seems to be concentrating on the better known races ie the Time Lords and the Daleks. But, as mentioned briefly before, there are bigger and more powerful things out there.
The Eternals, for example, are basically the Whoniverse’s Q. They can change history as they please, create and unmake worlds, etc.
The Chronovores eat alternate timelines and dimensions whole.
The Guardians by themselves will be able to deal with any threat. As well as powers other cosmics use (creating worlds, changing history, stopping time, etc) they also are powerful enough to do what they want to Q level beings (eg Eternals). Under the OP, they will be working together meaning they will be able to use the Key to Time freely. They could, for example, freeze the entire universe, pick out the threat, and remove it from existance.
The Swimmers live in the Void between universes, are vaster than whole universes, and crush whole universes when they get close to ‘em.
The Fendahl is a creature that could drain any form of energy from their prey, effectively sucking out their life force. It could devour all life in the universe.
The Fendahl Predator is something that evolved to devour the Fendahl. It is “a living absence which insinuates itself into subatomic quantum interactions, collapses the alternate probabilities by the act of its observation and feeds upon the energies thus released.” It’s a Memeovore which devours concept….for example it devoured the concept of “circles” resulting in future humans not knowing of the existence of circles. Its reach encompasses all of time and space.
The Celestis are Time Lords who removed themselves from history and detached themselves from the physical plane of existence, making themselves concepts and ideas.
Theres the Osirians, the Dæmons, The Mad Mind of Bophemeral, the People, etc, etc, etc. There are many powerful species in the Whoniverse.”
i never doubted their where powerful being in DW universe however since it has nothing really do with this debate its kinda pointless
“The Doctor is the main person that has defeated Daleks, beings that would rape 40k”
the daleks could destroy the wh40k and the doctor has defeated them but this due to the daleks always having to lord their plans and schemes over him and not just kill like the IOM would.
“Sonic Screwdriver can create forcefields. I already posted said link.”
i have never seen him use this function ever before and you think if had a portable forcefield he would use it more often
““His Tardis is a formidble machine but is only useful if he has access to it.”
He has access to it.”
Not if knocked out or locked away he doesnt
“Doctor can just phase into energy and wipe him from existance you know.”
and you excuse us of fanwank when you bring stuff like this if he had power like this he would never be afraid of anything
Lol, a space marine would crap his pants against Doc Who.
Poor, poor pitiful Space Marine
“Not if knocked out or locked away he doesnt”
He starts with it, kind of pointless.
“and you excuse us of fanwank when you bring stuff like this if he had power like this he would never be afraid of anything”
Higher energy beings drill it into their heads that they are not allowed to. In this situtation, away from them, he might try to use it.
” ”
Intrestingly, Time Lords can turn themselves into beings of pure energy able to do things mearly by thinking it. But thanks to the Dimensional Ethics Committee they decided that this was not the way to go – “Gallifreyans had traditionally resisted the urge to transform into beings of pure energy.”
“”
“i have never seen him use this function ever before and you think if had a portable forcefield he would use it more often”
He didn’t need it than.
“i never doubted their where powerful being in DW universe however since it has nothing really do with this debate its kinda pointless”
Beings that The doctor has dealt with.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VvfQykLkrk&feature=PlayList&p=48EBC9BFFBDB4AE7&index=72
A Doctor clone in one instant kills most of the Daleks.
All the space marines gets lobotomized by the brilliant doctor.
After all the doctor just might want to see what makes them “tick”
““Not if knocked out or locked away he doesnt”
He starts with it, kind of pointless.”
Not really pointless since if he cant get to his tardis he cant use it.
“Higher energy beings drill it into their heads that they are not allowed to. In this situtation, away from them, he might try to use it.”
if he did become an energy being there is every chance he would fall foul to the power’s of chaos.
“i have never seen him use this function ever before and you think if had a portable forcefield he would use it more often”
He didn’t need it than.”
there most be over a dozen times he could have used a forcefield in order to save someone’s life.
“A Doctor clone in one instant kills most of the Daleks.”
dont get me started on that episodes ending it was shit who builds a control console to take control of all daleks and destroy them, epecially in the same place you keep a mad genius with a history of trying to gain control of the daleks.
“Not really pointless since if he cant get to his tardis he cant use it.”
He starts in it though. The TARDIS can cause stars to go supernova. If he has to, he can just blow up the sol system
“if he did become an energy being there is every chance he would fall foul to the power’s of chaos.”
I mean the type of being that can rewrite history with a thought. Thats beyond Chaos.
“there most be over a dozen times he could have used a forcefield in order to save someone’s life.”
Point one out.
“dont get me started on that episodes ending it was shit who builds a control console to take control of all daleks and destroy them, epecially in the same place you keep a mad genius with a history of trying to gain control of the daleks.”
First of all, no simple mook could use the console. Only someone with the Doctor’s intelligence could do it. Second, the episode may be crap, but its still canon.
The Doctor would be hunted out and destroyed, then the TARDIS would be taken and experimented on by the various factions.
“The Doctor is the main person that has defeated Daleks, beings that would rape 40k. You two are fanwanking now.”
fanwanking, i laugh at your attempt to disprove shit.
now, the daleks may be genocidal conquering a-holes with a very powerful military force, but they are shit in comparison to any 40k race.
the imperium is pretty much made up of people who think like daleks, even if the doctor saw them and hated both them and himself (for loving thm in the first place) i just dont see him wiping out an entire solar system, never mind a galaxy.
i mean, pompei was destroyed for what he saw as the greater good, a few thousand lives to die for a few million to live.
wiping out humanity would achieve nothing, as there are races out there in 40k that are almost as bad, and wiping out sol would mean a leaderless imperium, the collapse of the imperiums faith, and the imperiums one defence against being overrun by walking fates worse than death fromthe warp.
the doctor DOES NOT DO THAT SHIT
the doctor is really a good hero, as pretty much all of his actions preach against mass killings and genocide. only when the entire universe is at stake would he do something like that, and in 40k removing us would in no way save the universe.
in all likelihood, the doctor would be able to hide away in the dark, undiscovered regions of the galaxy, where the imperium would never find him, or even where the imperium refuses to enter: the ghoul or halo stars.
if any race would capture the tardis, i would hope it to be the eldar, becuase they might know what damage it can do, and they have the wisdom not to use it.
“now, the daleks may be genocidal conquering a-holes with a very powerful military force, but they are shit in comparison to any 40k race.”
IIRC,they had entire galaxies under their control,a good control over time,and a bomb capable of destroying a multi-verse.
I don’t recall any faction in Warhammer comparing to that.
“I don’t recall any faction in Warhammer comparing to that.”
the 40k factions have never had a dimension destroying bomb, admitted, but here is a list of factions that have basic infantry and tanks capable of facing the daleks (excluding the imperium, who have the emperor)
*necrons (gauss flayers, far in advance of basic dalek tech)
*the tau (but only in a few years time, as they are fast advancing)
*the tyranids (1’0000000 ‘nids vs 1000 daleks? thos dustbins are going down)
*chaos (who can face them?)
*the old ones (on the basis that any creator race is insanly powerful)
*the eldar/dark eldar (too manipulative for the daleks to outsmart)
*orks (so many bullets airborne, some will hit the eyestalk)
any others?
and as the daleks went extinct after the invention of the reality bomb, they never deployed it properly.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=49sPDziuO84
this video contains my reaction to the idea of the doctor commiting genocide
“He starts in it though. The TARDIS can cause stars to go supernova. If he has to, he can just blow up the sol system”
True the doctor’s tardis is a powerful vessel, however he does have a history of wondering off and exploring while leaving it standing somewhere it is at this time the imperium can catch him.
“I mean the type of being that can rewrite history with a thought. Thats beyond Chaos”
this is conjecture since by your own admission no time lord has done this so there is no basis for his power level as an energy being, so he could be god like or he could be tiny compared to chaos there is no way of knowing.
“there most be over a dozen times he could have used a forcefield in order to save someone’s life.”
Point one out.
people killed by autons-civilians
people killed by slitheen-downing street personal
people killed by cybermen-party people on pete’s world
people killed by daleks- people of the game station
and on and on
“First of all, no simple mook could use the console. Only someone with the Doctor’s intelligence could do it. Second, the episode may be crap, but its still canon.”
So someone like davros then
“So someone like davros then”
He was in league with the Daleks.
“people killed by autons-civilians
people killed by slitheen-downing street personal
people killed by cybermen-party people on pete’s world
people killed by daleks- people of the game station
and on and on”
Most of these people died in such a way he could not save them with a force field. Also, some of these, people are not even close to use it.
“this is conjecture since by your own admission no time lord has done this so there is no basis for his power level as an energy being, so he could be god like or he could be tiny compared to chaos there is no way of knowing.”
Timelords that did use their powers could do this. This after the higher beings left the universe because of the Timewar.
“True the doctor’s tardis is a powerful vessel, however he does have a history of wondering off and exploring while leaving it standing somewhere it is at this time the imperium can catch him.”
This is how I feel it would Happen: www.fanfiction.net/s/4713532/1/A_Galaxy_of_Darkness
“the 40k factions have never had a dimension destroying bomb, admitted, but here is a list of factions that have basic infantry and tanks capable of facing the daleks (excluding the imperium, who have the emperor)
*necrons (gauss flayers, far in advance of basic dalek tech)
*the tau (but only in a few years time, as they are fast advancing)
*the tyranids (1′0000000 ‘nids vs 1000 daleks? thos dustbins are going down)
*chaos (who can face them?)
*the old ones (on the basis that any creator race is insanly powerful)
*the eldar/dark eldar (too manipulative for the daleks to outsmart)
*orks (so many bullets airborne, some will hit the eyestalk)”
They all die, heres how:
(By Tik on spacebattles, all of its him)
The Apocalypse Element (audio); The Daleks use the Apocalypse Element to destroy and remake a galaxy (an event that directly leads to the Dalek Empire audios and the creation of the Dalek Eye of Harmony).
The fact that Romana was the current president of the Time Lords (both from the books/audios).
It mentions that N-forms were used (from the books).
It mentions that the Daleks home planet of Skaro was devestated at the end of the War and not before (referencing the events of the book War of the Daleks).
It mentions that the Daleks wielded the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth (from the comics).
RTD has also written other articles (eg in Monsters and Villains) that incorperate stuff from the audios/novels when writting about the tv series.
Other examples of the tv series possibly referencing other media include the episode Smith and Jones where the Doctor says he once had a brother. In the novel Tears of the Oracle a brotherly connection is first made between the Time Lord Irving Braxiatel (from audios/books) and the Doctor. The script editor for the episode was Simon Winstone, who also edited that particular book.
The audios have started hinting at the Time War to come. Irving Braxiatel, in the audios, makes a reference to the upcoming Time War when he hears rumors of an impending threat against Gallifrey.
Individual Dalek firepower has a wide range of settings. It has been shown to vary from “numb the legs so they cant move” settings to “destroy houses and small spaceships” settings.
Dalek ships can one shot planets. They have been shown to destroy suns. They have cloaking systems. They have a wide variety of weapons, from dark-matter cannons to gravity weapons to energy weapons. They can even have psychic weaponary, able to drive an entire planet mad.
We haven’t seen any Dalek ships destroyed on screen via conventional means (eg the Bad Wolf scenario). As for the Daleks, they have never been taken out by projectile weapons. And they have been shown to shrug off many types of energy weapons. I cant think of a Stargate hand weapon that could take them out to be frank.
Pre-Time War Daleks could destroy planets with ease as evidenced with these quotes….
Davros in orbit with one Killcruiser: “Do not anger me, Doctor! I can DESTROY YOU! AND THIS MISERABLE INSIGNIFICANT PLANET!” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“That ship has weapons which could crack this planet like an egg.” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“Attack Spearhead now entering outer galactic sectors. Heavy concentration of asteroid fields indicate massed planetary destruction. Radiation readings indicate destruction caused by Dalek weaponary.” – Dalek Empire 2
“I mean, if these Daleks are all over space, shooting up planets, how come the Thals are still around?” – War of the Daleks.
In Dalek Empire 2 two rival Dalek Empires fight each other. They have a “punished planet” policy, destroying whole worlds which refuse to join their crusade.
They have starkillers and Deathsmith weapons which destroy stars. In Mutually Assured Survival some imprisioned humans infected with the Dalek Factor even manage to scrounge just enough Dalek technology to build a starkiller of their own and plan to use it to destroy the station they are on by blowing up a nearby star.
Etc.
Actually, I’d be suprised if the 31st Feds even detect the Dalek incursion. The Daleks aren’t traveling back in time, they are coming from a different universe so the future Feds aren’t going to detect a temperal incursion. Then its too late because, unlike Gallifrey, the Feds dont have transduction barriers meaning the 31st Feds can be prevented from ever existing – Earths past CAN be changed and humanity CAN be wiped out unlike the Time Lords of Gallifrey.
Daleks have a chameleon circuit which can disguise the ships as, for example, asteroids, and also come with cloaking systems. There is also Zero Time which hides a ships time travel trace from those trying to detect/find a ships temporal location – means the 31st Feds are never going to pick up Dalek ships and interfere in this versus.
As for 31st Feds being in the same league as Time Lords….see below:
example, they had a mass Dalek producing factory inside a tiny ship in Power of the Daleks, the same type of “bigger on the inside than out” factory in War of the Daleks, their own version of a TARDIS in The Chase and The Daleks Masterplan, etc, etc, etc.
Just a small selection of things the Time Lords have which the 31st Feds do not include:
Type 103 TARDISes; these things are equipped with traditional precision-capable ranged weapons, can cause local stars to go nova and may drain their power. They can also swallow stars and leave them as nothing more then neutronium snowballs.
Validium; this is simply a living metal with DNA. Its sole function is to cause destruction – a small statue of it can at least destroy a fleet of thousands of war-ships.
N-Forms; they exist in pocket dimensions and pop into normal space when they want to kill something, usually from within the unfortunate target. For example in one novel an N-form attaches itself to cocaine on a molecular level, opening tiny dimensional rifts inside the brains of everyone who takes the drug. Later N-form extrustions explode out of their brains and begin killing everyone in their vicinity. One N-form is more than enough to kill all life on a planet.
Casts; they are sub-matter block-transfer drones. They can form a 0,1,2, or 3 dimensional physical body to complete their mission.
A Magneton to move Earth and its constellation around.
They have disassembled entire Galaxies.
They have defensive arrays that are the size of entire star systems.
The Cold; when activated everything (planets, etc) in the immediate area are removed from the Space-Time Continuum and pulled into the Yssgaroth-Space of the Vampires (a different reality).
They have boobytrapped parts of Space-Time so if an enemy somehow captures that region of Space-Time the Time Lords can simply destroy those entire Time Zones.
Gravity Spiders; these retro-pre-emptive weapons travel backwards in time searching for enemy time travellers. The Spiders merge to form a warhead and destroy the enemy time traveler at the moment of materialization.
Ghost Cluster devices; they work by reducing a beings probability of existing. The actions and observations of the target have almost no effect on history. Even the slightest hint of tampering with history can erase the target from existence.
Doomsday Probe; releases accelerated entropy just enough to devestate time through out an entire sector thus killing all life.
They can delete entire planets without leaving Gallifrey
They can lock solar systems up outside of the universe.
They can timeloop planets.
Regarding Dalek weaponary, we know even less about it than Time Lord weaponary. Quoting myself from an earlier thread:
“We do know that the Daleks created their own Eye of Harmony after the Etra Prime incident (RTD states this was the event that escalated affairs). So by the Last Great Time War the Daleks have theoretically the same power as the Time Lords.
The Master once tried to steal a Dalek matter transmuter because, when linked to his TARDIS power source (ie Eye of Harmony), this device would have been capable of destroying entire solar systems (in Legacy of the Daleks). Since the Daleks created their own Eye, we can infer Daleks could have destroyed solar systems with ease.
RTD states that the Daleks wielded the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth. This means Daleks at least had access to weapons that can shatter suns, halt planets in their orbit, drive entire planets populations insane, and have access to the apocalypse device (indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc), and small grenades that destroy mountains.
Daleks have also used temporal extinction devices and Time Destructors in the past. They have the ability to turn the populations of entire planets into mental Daleks to help boost ranks. They have made planets vanish into time and space. They have Temporal Disruptor weapons that can destroy TARDISes.”
The 31st Feds dont even have something akin to transduction barriers. This is an essential device when fighting the Time Lords or Daleks because it protects your past. Without it the 31st Feds are wiped out with ease.
They have pockets with larger insides (only one example of that if I recall), time travel, and temporal shielding. Pretty basic really. Even 60′s Daleks (in their 3rd ever story) had all that. Other temporal powers in the Whoniverse have that. Time Lords and Daleks have considerably more. Can anyone name a feat, even hyperbole, that places the Feds as anywhere near?
Daleks can destroy planets with ease as evidenced with these quotes….
Davros in orbit with one Killcruiser: “Do not anger me, Doctor! I can DESTROY YOU! AND THIS MISERABLE INSIGNIFICANT PLANET!” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“That ship has weapons which could crack this planet like an egg.” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“Attack Spearhead now entering outer galactic sectors. Heavy concentration of asteroid fields indicate massed planetary destruction. Radiation readings indicate destruction caused by Dalek weaponary.” – Dalek Empire 2
“I mean, if these Daleks are all over space, shooting up planets, how come the Thals are still around?” – War of the Daleks.
In Dalek Empire 2 two rival Dalek Empires fight each other. They have a “punished planet” policy, destroying whole worlds which refuse to join their crusade.
Although Davros never fired his weapon at Earth in Rememberence of the Daleks, other examples of the same type of ship (a killcruiser) show that planatary destruction is achieved by one missile/bomb, that it leads to a blinding flash, and then afterwards there are only small chunks of planet floating around. An example would be from the novel War of the Daleks (where even the Thals had planet busters too):
See above in my post for destroying planets. They also have access to Deathsmith weapons that can halt planets in their orbit and drive entire planets populations insane. They can also pilot planets around like ships. They have also used Time Destructors in the past, capable of aging an entire planet to death.
They have made planets vanish into time and space.
Daleks have starkillers which, as the name suggests, destroys stars. They also have Deathsmith weapons which “shatter stars”. In Mutually Assured Survival some imprisioned humans infected with the Dalek Factor even manage to scrounge just enough Dalek technology from debris to build a starkiller of their own and plan to use it to destroy the station they are on by blowing up a nearby star.
A Dalek matter transmuter, when linked to a TARDIS level power source (ie Eye of Harmony), is capable of destroying entire solar systems (in Legacy of the Daleks).
Normal Dalek weaponary is enough to be a threat to spacecraft – they destroyed a Thal spacecraft (Planet of the Daleks) and a human spacecraft (Mission to the Unknown). In War of the Daleks, some Daleks fly towards a Thal spaceship and start shooting it – “two or three together might be able to penetrate a shield somewhere” and their firepower “rocked the ship, adding to the main blasts from the two killcruisers.”
There are Heavy Weapons Daleks with weapons that are, I believe, 50 times more powerful than normal Dalek weaponary.
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that specialize in saturation bombing and carry large numbers of Dalekenaium bombs. A Dalekenium bomb is basically a very controlled, clean nuclear explosion (the blast radius depending on how much Dalekanium is within the bomb).
They also have access to Deathsmith weaponary which includes the apocalypse device – an indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc (it eats away any metal too, even metal usually resistant to such things). Deathsmith weaponary also includes small grenades that can destroy mountains.
The Daleks could also use a Contagium. This is a nanite-producing weapon. Anything infected by the nanites falls under Dalek control at once.
Unshielded Daleks can withstand things “that would reduce you or me to our molecules in seconds”. Coupled with Time-War era shielding they’re pretty damn tough (Time-War era Daleks also have thicker armour than their unshielded cousins). They have shown to be unnaffected by some disintegrator weapons (Day of the Daleks comes to mind).
Daleks have also used temporal extinction devices and Time Destructors in the past. They have the ability to turn the populations of entire planets into mental Daleks to help boost ranks. They have Temporal Disruptor weapons that can destroy TARDISes.
On the topic of Dalek FTL travel, Time War Dalek ships are all Vortex capable. Now, although the OP forbids the Daleks traveling in time it doesn’t, as far as I can see, forbid them from accessing the Vortex itself per say. So a Dalek ship could disappear and reappear anywhere in the universe in the same instant giving them an edge against the Necrons.
Some Dalek ships have also been demonstrated to have a chameleon circuit which can disguise the ships as, for example, asteroids, and a cloaking system.
The Daleks at their height had an Eye of Harmony and transduction barrier tech. What this basically means is that any Daleks behind such a barrier are protected against any reality jiggery pokery the Q could throw at them. This is the reason why the Time Lords didn’t wipe out the Daleks with a touch of a button back on Gallifrey.
These are multi-dimensional defenses that cannot be breached (even 11 dimensional infiltrations are not possible). Although the Q have feats of multi-dimensional tinkering, they have no feats of breaking through a multi-dimensional tinkering proof shield such as the transduction barriers. Q are NOT all powerful….for example, Quinn was imprisioned quite succesfully for a time on a comet and his Q powers (which had not been revoked) couldn’t get him out of it.
Their history cannot be changed unless they wish it too because the Eye of Harmony is the anchor for continuity, causality, and history.
During the Q civil war we learned that if subspace was damaged to a certain extent that Q outside of the Continuum lost their powers and immortality (as what happened with a female Q). The Daleks are easily capable of causing said damage – their weapons in the Time War caused even greater damage to the universe than the Q civil war did. They could even use their Eye of Harmony to do this as it can be used to define the state/laws of the universe – the Time Lords used their Eye to ensure magic no longer existed, the Daleks could do the same to subspace effectively making the Q powerless/impotent.
The Daleks have an effective defense and attack to impliment in this scenario.
Daleks have more than the standard Daleks to field.
Strider Daleks for example are 10x bigger than normal Daleks and have much bigger weaponary (cannons as opposed to gun sticks).
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that carries large amounts of Dalekanium bombs, each bomb capable of generating clean nuclear explosions.
They also have the weaponary of the Deathsmiths which, among other things, includes grenades capable of destroying mountains.
They also have nano-tech which can infect machinary and allow the Daleks to control it.
Prior to shielding Daleks have survived planetary destruction in War of the Daleks. The mutant itself was dead but the casing was intact except for a small piece at the back of its dome. The Doctor also described the shell as being able to survive many things that would reduce other beings to molecules in seconds.
Daleks from the old series could shrug off laser powered/energy weapons before they even became shielded. Coupled with shielding……who knows? Presumbably with shielding that Dalek in War of the Daleks would not have had a piece of its back dome blown off as the planet was destroyed.
Dalek weaponary in the old series could destroy spacecraft on a high setting.
In Mission to the Unknown they destroyed a human spacecraft and in Planet of the Daleks they destroyed a Thal spaceship. In War of the Daleks Thals have devoloped armour so that a Thal can survive a nearby nuclear strike. Dalek weaponary can penetrate the armour.
That plunger is far more versitile than you give it credit for. It can morph into any shape, interface with computer terminals, crush peoples skulls, etc. In I am a Dalek one weaponless Dalek was forced to rely on the only thing it had, the plunger. Chaos ensured as the damn thing grabbed hold of police cars and flung them away. Opening a door or holding a rock is not beyond a Dalek, regardless of how useless the plunger may look.
They do field other types of Daleks in battles (of course, only in the novels and such since on the tv show they haven’t actually been observed fighting any large scale battles as of yet). They also usually bombard a planet with metorites and viruses, employ economic warfare to devestate their enemy, use psychic attacks that turn the population insane or mentally turn the population into daleks by releasing the dalek factor, etc, etc.
There are Psyche Daleks whose casings are coated with mental control crystals which function as psionic amplifiers. They can communicate telepathically and use telekinetic powers.
There are Strider Daleks which have 8 long legs and stand 10 times taller then a normal Dalek. They are armed with 4 cannons.
Slightly larger then normal Daleks are the Spider Daleks. They can deploy 8 legs if need be to handle terrain such as mountain sides.
There are also a few types of Special Weapons Daleks. The Standard type are armed with a massive Pulse Gun. The weapon’s energy discharge is at least 50 times more powerful then a normal Daleks weaponary on it most powerful setting (which, as mentioned before, can destroy spacecraft). It is capable of completely vaporizing many Daleks with a single shot. There is an airborn version which has a sleeker design, and is equiped with two smaller Pulse Guns. Their design allows them to do complex arial manuvers more so than a standard type could do with its anti-gravity.
Ranging ahead would be the Scout Daleks. These are just standard Daleks who move around at a speed of about 20mph when travelling on the ground.
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that specialize in saturation bombing and carry large numbers of Dalekenaium bombs. A Dalekenium bomb is basically a very controlled, clean nuclear explosion (the blast radius depending on how much Dalekanium is within the bomb).
There are also Marsh and Marine Daleks but I’ll presume that the fight takes place mostly on dry land.
Daleks use tactics on the battlefield just as any army will. They, for example, send out assassination groups to exterminate specific enemies (eg generals, et al).
Daleks have those globes on their outer shell. These globes act as sensers and when being used by the Dalek can detect life, moisture, movement, etc, etc. These globes can detach and fly on their own to provide remote battlefield intelligence. The globes also can act as powerful explosives. They are also part of the Daleks self-destruct system.
The Daleks have access to the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth. On a ground battle this means they have, at the very least, small grenades capable of destroying mountains. Depending on the seriousness of the situation the Apocalypse Device may also be used (the Deathsmiths greatest weapon that destroyed them, its an indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc).
Daleks may also be able to use a Time-Destructer. The device enables Daleks to control the flow of time over a planet wide area. For example, they could age everyone to death.
(End of Quote)
Daleks can take them all.
true…the doc handles things the fucked up the Imoerium..referencing the “I.O.M Vs Daleks” post.
that was a nasty bit of business that resulted in a dead faction and “Reality Bombs”
“true…the doc handles things the fucked up the Imoerium..referencing the “I.O.M Vs Daleks” post.
that was a nasty bit of business that resulted in a dead faction and “Reality Bombs””
I’m kinda of confused by this. Are you referencing this post or the post I made in the official debate? The Daleks do not even have to use the Reality Bomb. The Crucible’s Trans-mat itself could help them destroy the Imperium. Think of Hive worlds appearing inside the Eye of Terror or near Black Holes. Think of Terra itself brought to the Eye of Terror!
The Doctor could easily handle himself in this verse. Doctor Who is filled with genocidal aliens, so the concept will not frighten him. He has even seen humanity more genocidal than the Imperium. The Toclofane killed for joy when the Master brought them to Earth.
“The Toclofane killed for joy when the Master brought them to Earth.”
ah, but while the toclofane killed for sport, the imperium kills aliens and heretics not because they enjoy it, or becuase they are provoked, but because every part of their human nature has been reprogrammed to hate aliens, we are, in 40k, genocidal by nature.
The doctor has faced numerous threats there is no denying that, however outside his tardis he is vulnerable and the IOM would think very little in expending enormous amounts of manpower to capture and gain what he knows.
He has proven susceptible to interrogation before in “genesis of the daleks”, so the moment they know the doctor cares for human life and doesnt want to see people suffer they will line up men,women and children and start to shoot them until he gives them what they want.
For if they where to gain this information the power would know no bounds, and the IOM is only one faction in the whole 40k universe, and i dont think there is one faction who would not want to gain control over him.
Two words… Imperial Assassin.
“Two words… Imperial Assassin.”
indeedy
No doubts that The Doctor would be caught eventually, 40K just has too many variables for the guy to avoid. The real question is, who would do it and what would they get out of him?
@ShadowArchon
Would the Imperium of Man be his least worry? I mean, they are pathetic to some of the other factions of 40k, as they are in decline and will ultimately be gone if things continue as such (especially with the emergence of the necrons and more tyranids).
“Would the Imperium of Man be his least worry? I mean, they are pathetic to some of the other factions of 40k, as they are in decline and will ultimately be gone if things continue as such (especially with the emergence of the necrons and more tyranids).”
THE EMPEROR IS ETERNAL BITCH!
i actually think that the most likely two factions to capture or otherwise subdue/ally with the doctor would be:
*eldar
*tau
the eldar would likely have little problem taking him in as a refugee, as his tardis needs to be hidden from the more malicious powers of 40k, and the eldar are unlikely to use the tardis.
the tau ight appear benevolent at first, and the doctor would have no objections to lodging with them for a while, but once they found out about the tardis, it wold be easy for them to capture the doctor.
or the doctor would find out about all those tau concentration camps…
imagine if the doctor’s dna was added to the tyranids.
Nids that can see time and space and its possibly outcomes but the main advantage has to be they would be able to regenerate.
“Nids that can see time and space and its possibly outcomes but the main advantage has to be they would be able to regenerate.”
i doubt that the nids would be able to figure time travel out
but regeneration requires a degree of effort does it not? i doubt that the animalistic nids would be able to do that.
how the fuck did the time lords evolve regeneration anyway?
Am I the only one who finds that L-W strive for political correctness is annoying as hell.
If the doctor ever came to the 40k universe surely he could see that the biggest threat to all life is chaos.
In the Horus Heresy books the Alpha legion are shown a possible future where chaos has wiped itself out, killing humanity but saving all the galaxy (universe?)
So surely with him being able to see all of time he would go back and help Horus in anyway that he could ( I was thinking something like he releases all the energy of the tardis into the centre of the earth). So in the end chaos triumphs then dies, humanity is wiped from cosmic history, all other races prosper, and then to top it off the tyranids/c’tan eat them all
I see my point was ignored.
The Doctor uses his TARDIS, and fixes Warhammer 40k. No more Necrons, no more Tyranids, no more Chaos, no more Orks, no more genocidal humans. He can easily do this by fixing the Necron’s sun.
“Two words… Imperial Assassin”
Timelords can regenerate limbs and survive from being decapitated.
“how the fuck did the time lords evolve regeneration anyway?”
Im not sure, but here is stuff on Timelord regen:
(posted by Tik)
Apparently each body can last well over 1000 years. Most Time Lords dont regenerate before the age of 500. Only renegades such as the Doctor or the Master tend to run out of regenerations quickly (for example, the Master lost his first 12 lives escaping from a black hole). The first Doctor regenerated due to the energy drain from Mondas.
Time Lords regenerate entire limbs from scratch. They grow back internal organs like a heart for example. Damaged synapses are repaired. Time Lords can even grow back new heads after decapitation (as stated in the novels). Every molecule in every cell is changed altogether. Their DNA is part of space and time itself.
Time Lords can trigger regeneration whenever they like. They heal incredibly fast even without the need of regeneration eg non-lethal bullet wounds (bullet is ejected out of the body), burns, broken bones, disease, etc.
Yeah, since the Time Lords can do this too if they so wish. Romana did it in Destiny of the Daleks when she triggered her own regeneration. She tried on various species before settling on the appearence of someone she’d met in the previous story. Hell, just look at the Master and how he survived past his 13th life – merging bodies with another species.
I feel confident that Time Lords could also be resistant to nanoprobes. Their bodies dispose of implants/foreign objects and their bodies are filled with self-replicating biogenic molecules thus having a self-renewing cell structure. They have quadruple helix DNA as opposed to 8472′s triple helix DNA. Unlike 8472, they also have TNA. The fourth helix extends into the fourth dimension biologically linking a Time Lord to the Web of Time/heart of space time – they are effectivly part of the laws of time and space.
(more on being an energy being)
“Because it is forbidden to do so. Like I pointed out earlier, Time Lords decided not to do this thanks to the Dimensional Ethics Comittiee. This is done for a number of reasons: Time Lords need to remain as they are to maintain the Web of Time, they could potentially upset other Higher Beings such as the Eternals or Guardians or the Kingmaker. There is even a test for new Time Lords (which apparently every Time Lord fails) in which they can choose to use Q like powers to save the day or their intelligence – faced with a moral dilemma all Time Lords use their powers and the disasterous consequence for using those powers is drummed in to their very being to such a degree that they will never use such power again.”
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The Doctor will not get caught, the same way he has never been caught before. His own genetics let him see the future allowing him to be lucky as he is in the show. That explains why he has great character shielding.
“The doctor has faced numerous threats there is no denying that, however outside his tardis he is vulnerable and the IOM would think very little in expending enormous amounts of manpower to capture and gain what he knows.
He has proven susceptible to interrogation before in “genesis of the daleks”, so the moment they know the doctor cares for human life and doesnt want to see people suffer they will line up men,women and children and start to shoot them until he gives them what they want.
For if they where to gain this information the power would know no bounds, and the IOM is only one faction in the whole 40k universe, and i dont think there is one faction who would not want to gain control over him.”
I don’t think he would get caught in the first place. Sontarans IMHO are worse than the Imperium, and they have never caught him.
“The Doctor uses his TARDIS, and fixes Warhammer 40k. No more Necrons, no more Tyranids, no more Chaos, no more Orks, no more genocidal humans. He can easily do this by fixing the Necron’s sun.”
the doctor doesnt change fixed events no matter how bad he may thing they are, he only corrects possible or already changed events, so he is unlikely to alter a universe he has only brief understanding of, let alone cause the genocide or two races – ork and tyranid.
“I don’t think he would get caught in the first place. Sontarans IMHO are worse than the Imperium, and they have never caught him.”
The doctor for his great acheivments does get captured a lot, so there is no reason not to believe, the IOM couldn’t capture him.
he has been caught by daleks,cybermen, animated corpses, regular humans, he was even hold captive by a robot made of sweets and many more.
…Alpha level psyker….Overkill?
“Timelords can regenerate limbs and survive from being decapitated.” -so he can survive his entire body being turned to slag instantly from a Hellfire round? Can he survive his soul being eaten? From someone using a melta gun on him? (I have many more deaths that would render the ability to regen limbs useless, but WH40k has too many.)
“the doctor doesnt change fixed events no matter how bad he may thing they are, he only corrects possible or already changed events, so he is unlikely to alter a universe he has only brief understanding of, let alone cause the genocide or two races – ork and tyranid.”
Proof that it is a fixed event? For all you know, it is meant for the Doctor to fix. He has also caused genocide multiple times.
“The doctor for his great acheivments does get captured a lot, so there is no reason not to believe, the IOM couldn’t capture him.
he has been caught by daleks,cybermen, animated corpses, regular humans, he was even hold captive by a robot made of sweets and many more.”
And he got away every single time.
“…Alpha level psyker….Overkill?”
No, Timelords are better psionics.
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The Doctor could do so, yes. Not only is a Time Lord by himself psychically cabable (they have been known to use telepathy over galactic distances….even Time Lord corpses are telepathicaly active) he shares a psionic link with his TARDIS which can boost his powers and protect him from attack. They can also implant post-hypnotic suggestions in people who are trying to read their minds.
A Time Lord needs such defenses because they attract poweful transtemporal beings who exist outside of linear time. These beings will try to force them to become their slave and would succeed if not for a Time Lords defenses.
As for the so called problem with guns and bullets…..well, the sonic screwdriver was shown to be able to generate a forcefield in the IDW comics and was also shown to be able to stop bullets and take apart guns in Peacemaker.
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Just wondering, why can the Doctor do this people, he fought a goddamn war, he can kill people without the touchy morals.
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And whats stopping the Doctor from drawing Alma into his mind, traping her there and crushing her out of existence (examples include Something Inside and the Timewyrm books)?
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“so he can survive his entire body being turned to slag instantly from a Hellfire round? Can he survive his soul being eaten? From someone using a melta gun on him? (I have many more deaths that would render the ability to regen limbs useless, but WH40k has too many.)”
His hearts have to be intact. His psionic abilities should protect him from Chaos. And whats to say these will even hit him?
“Proof that it is a fixed event? For all you know, it is meant for the Doctor to fix. He has also caused genocide multiple times.”
He not even native to there universe how can he be meant to fix anything is like me expecting mario to fix my toilet, and the only time he caused genocide that i can remember it nearly emotionally destroyed him and he only did it because he had no other choice.
“No, Timelords are better psionics.
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The Doctor could do so, yes. Not only is a Time Lord by himself psychically cabable (they have been known to use telepathy over galactic distances”
I think your wrong about this, since the main means of IOM interstellar communications is done through psyker’s, who not only comunicate from one side of the galaxy to the other they do it by sending the minds through a demon infested dimension.
“he has been caught by daleks,cybermen, animated corpses, regular humans, he was even hold captive by a robot made of sweets and many more.”
And he got away every single time.”
He generally is aided in his escape by people he has befriended aiding him, not something i can see a guardsman doing let alone a space marine, or an enemies weakness for needy to lord themselves over him, such as the daleks for if the shot him straight away instead of explaining there plans to him they would rule the universe by now.
The IOM is not going to sit down and explain their plans to him there going to torture him and then kill him.
“His hearts have to be intact. His psionic abilities should protect him from Chaos. And whats to say these will even hit him?”
a boltgun, melter, flamethrower, lascannon and plasma gun are not going to leave his heart’s intact, and guardsmen are highly trained solidiers with years of combat experiance so im pretty sure they can hit one bloke and space marine are some of the greatest marksman in the whole 40k universe.
I’m still not sure why evenyone thinks that the Doctor would be killed on sight.If he meets one of the lunatics its possible, but he tends to gravitate towards the human race, and indeed to earth where possible. its likely then that he’d start on Terra. This wouldn’t ensure his death by any means, as with his intelligence and that handy piece of id he’d be able to pass himself off as an inquisitor fairly simply. Those guys have free reign and political immunity to all but higher Inquisitors.
The Golden Throne isn’t beyond his reach, not with the transportation of the Tardis, and why wouldn’t the Doctor want to fix whatever is keeping the messiah of the Human race alive?
Of course, were this episode written by the Dr who staff, I’m betting the head of Bo would turn out to be a long lost primarch, and there the fun could really begin.
man, being a time lord would suck ass if you wanted to commit suicide:
(holds up gun)
goodbye world…
(fires, regenerates)
take 2…
(fires again, regenerates)
FUCK IT ALL
(11 regens later)
ok, the last one….
(fires, regenerates)
“I think your wrong about this, since the main means of IOM interstellar communications is done through psyker’s, who not only comunicate from one side of the galaxy to the other they do it by sending the minds through a demon infested dimension.”
(quote)The Morphant Master in sneak mode was featured in the TV movie. More details on the Morphant were given in the comic The Fallen. Some Doctor quotes:
“Its called a Morphant. He rewritten his own genetic code and duplicated all of the creatures abilities.”
“A Morphant can exercise total molecular control.”
“Morphants absorb the consciousnessess of their victims before they consume them. The Master turned that ability on its head – he absorbed the Morphant, and possessed it.”
A Morphant is much nastier than being assimilated by the Borg. They can change shape at will (eg squeeze through key holes, become a huge monster in the middle of a city, etc) and there is no way of being saved (it eats your body).
The mental capabilities of a Time Lord mean they would resist assimilation. Kathryn Janeway, Tuvok, and B’Elanna Torres resisted being assimilated by just being injected with a neural suppressant (unimatrix zero). Time Lords find such things childsplay. Its so easy for them they dont even need outside assistance (they change neural pathways at will, etc, etc). The Master would have his individuality intact, have no doubt.
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They can protect themselves from being possessed by these creatures and the possessor becomes the possessed.
“He not even native to there universe how can he be meant to fix anything is like me expecting mario to fix my toilet, and the only time he caused genocide that i can remember it nearly emotionally destroyed him and he only did it because he had no other choice.”
He did it multiple times and it only hurt him because he sacrificed his people, he had no care for the Daleks. Also, he has been to other universes before and fixed them from what they would become, is that not the same thing here?
“He generally is aided in his escape by people he has befriended aiding him, not something i can see a guardsman doing let alone a space marine, or an enemies weakness for needy to lord themselves over him, such as the daleks for if the shot him straight away instead of explaining there plans to him they would rule the universe by now.
The IOM is not going to sit down and explain their plans to him there going to torture him and then kill him.”
The Judoon shot first(after identifiing him as an alien), and he got away. Explain why they are going to shoot first?
“a boltgun, melter, flamethrower, lascannon and plasma gun are not going to leave his heart’s intact, and guardsmen are highly trained solidiers with years of combat experiance so im pretty sure they can hit one bloke and space marine are some of the greatest marksman in the whole 40k universe.”
The Doctor is durable, plus he has that forcefield. Note, they have to get both hearts in the kill at the same time.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjC959PCylI
The Doctor has even won a battle against a Transformer.
(quote)A little intresting triva here – the Doctor has clashed with Deaths Head a number of times and always come out on top. For those who dont know, Deaths Head is from the Transformers UK comic universe, a bounty hunter robot the size of other Transformers. He is responsible for a number of Autobot and Decepticon deaths, nearly killing Prime himself a few times. He was last seen in that universe helping defeat Unicron when he was shunted through a dimensional time rift and collided with a certain someones TARDIS.
To cut a short story….um, even shorter, the Doctor shrunk him down to human size and threw him across time again.
They met again in a longer story (due to someone putting a bounty on the Doctors head) with the end result of Deaths Head being dropped off by the Doctor in yet another universe – on Four Freedoms Plaza, home of the Fantastic Four. Deaths Head continues to influence Marvel universe events there (fighting the X-Men, the Hulk, etc).
It eventually turns out that the Doctor has been manipulating Deaths Head’s life, starting with his interactions wth the Transformers.
Its kinda weird that the Doctors manipulations made an impact on Marvel’s canon.(quote)
“man, being a time lord would suck ass if you wanted to commit suicide:
(holds up gun)
goodbye world…
(fires, regenerates)
take 2…
(fires again, regenerates)
FUCK IT ALL
(11 regens later)
ok, the last one….
(fires, regenerates)”
They can choose not to regenerate.
@ Shadow Archon
You’re new here, so I’m not going to critize you very harshly, but believe me; considering the amount of times the doctor has been captured and succesfully shot, it would not be hard for any well equiped soldier of the Imperium to kill him…. or any faction for that matter. Besides, I would love to see the look on his face when he sees an ork raiding party of speed freaks are running straight at him and yelling “WAAAGGGHHHH.”
@ Jwlynas
I would take quite a bit of effect from the doctor to pass of as an inquisitor as he would need to falsify a good bit of documents, badges of office, and certain requirements to be recognized as both an imperial resident and actual inquisitor (certain mental and warp ablities included). Don’t even get me started on how hard it would be for him even get to Terra, let alone close to the Emperor.
i just have this funny image of a time lord shooting himself 11 times before he finally dies…
if this post appears twice its because i posted it but it just disappeared it didnt show up
simply put if he is tardis appeared in the emperor’s throne room about hundered members of the adeptus custodes will blast him into tiny fragments the moment he opens the door.
“(quote)The Morphant Master in sneak mode was featured in the TV movie. More details on the Morphant were given in the comic The Fallen. Some Doctor quotes:”
im not sure how this had anything to do with the doctor going up against pysker’s since the morphant is a creature the master took over on skaro
“He did it multiple times and it only hurt him because he sacrificed his people, he had no care for the Daleks. Also, he has been to other universes before and fixed them from what they would become, is that not the same thing here?”
the other universes he has visited where parallel worlds or side dimesions which where very similiar to his home universe not a completly different universe where he would have no prior knowledge of history or technology to act on
“The Judoon shot first(after identifiing him as an alien), and he got away. Explain why they are going to shoot first?”
they shoot first because they are the imperium its what they do, however if they did learn he is a time traveler they would capture and torture him first.
“a boltgun, melter, flamethrower, lascannon and plasma gun are not going to leave his heart’s intact, and guardsmen are highly trained solidiers with years of combat experiance so im pretty sure they can hit one bloke and space marine are some of the greatest marksman in the whole 40k universe.”
The Doctor is durable, plus he has that forcefield. Note, they have to get both hearts in the kill at the same time.”
im not sure if you know much about the firepower of 40k weapons but the doctor would not have to worry they wouldn’t hit both hearts, just if the only things left are his smoking shoes and his forcefield would have to be massivly powerful to hold those weapons back.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flamer
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Plasmagun
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Meltagun
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lascannon
“You’re new here, so I’m not going to critize you very harshly, but believe me; considering the amount of times the doctor has been captured and succesfully shot, it would not be hard for any well equiped soldier of the Imperium to kill him…. or any faction for that matter. Besides, I would love to see the look on his face when he sees an ork raiding party of speed freaks are running straight at him and yelling “WAAAGGGHHHH.”
But he has always found a way to survive. Yes I know they are going to shoot first and ask questions later, but this is assuming he lands on a Imperium world. Now it would be hilarious for him to see an Ork party. But, he looks human, if he lands on a hive world, I do not think he will get caught. The thing is, the Doctor has these things on his side:
1) Sonic Screwdriver which can create force fields and break guns apart.
2) Extremely powerful psionic abilites
3)Incredible Durabiltiy. He can take massive amounts of radiation and gamma lightning strikes. He can survive in the vacuum of space for a small amount of time. He can take a glancing blow from a Dalek’s weapon.
4)His TARDIS
5)His intelligence
6)His 27 different senses, one which allows him to see possible futures. He could dodge weapons by sensing that timeline.
He can become an energy being. The higher beings that make sure this will not happen are not around anymore. What do you say to that?
“i just have this funny image of a time lord shooting himself 11 times before he finally dies…”
Its actually 13 regenerations……..
@ Shadow Archon
He may have survived in his universe, but believe me. If he’s found out in WH40k, which would not be too difficult as I’m sure surrounding psykers would note a strange distrubance or if he lands on a planet in alien hands, he will not last long.
the doctor is a powerful force, granted.
but there are too many variables in 40k for him to avoid.
“He may have survived in his universe, but believe me. If he’s found out in WH40k, which would not be too difficult as I’m sure surrounding psykers would note a strange distrubance or if he lands on a planet in alien hands, he will not last long.”
First of all, which Doctor is this? Secondly, the Daleks are psionic and yet they have not detected his presence. Even other Timelords with the same psionic abilities can defend themselves from detection. You expect them to shoot first, what is this based on?
“the doctor is a powerful force, granted.
but there are too many variables in 40k for him to avoid.”
Its worse in the Doctor Who verse. Monsters that can eat your skin in seconds. Daleks with universe destroying weapons. Almost every single species has bombs that can blow up planets(Humans could do this in the 1970s.) Sontarans that could crush the Imperium who have been at war for 50,000 years. Cybermen who have moved planets are like Borg but worse. If he has survived all this, why can he not survive Warhammer 40k.
This isn’t Doctor Who versus Warhammer 40k… this is a what if scenario!
I mean the whole warhammer universe really going to out to get this guy or what?
“This isn’t Doctor Who versus Warhammer 40k… this is a what if scenario!
I mean the whole warhammer universe really going to out to get this guy or what?”
The Doctor would try to fix it, therefore resulting an a battle situation. While he is in his TARDIS however, no one can get to him.
@ Shadow Archon – Before we continue, how much do you know about WH40k? Because it seems you have very limited knowledge.
“@ Shadow Archon – Before we continue, how much do you know about WH40k? Because it seems you have very limited knowledge.”
I know a good amount of it. I know what its capabilities are and what is beyond them. I consider the Doctor beyond them. The Doctor has to simply fix the Necron’s(before they became Necrons from the work of the C’tan) star. That would fix most of the Warhammer 40k universe.
“im not sure if you know much about the firepower of 40k weapons but the doctor would not have to worry they wouldn’t hit both hearts, just if the only things left are his smoking shoes and his forcefield would have to be massivly powerful to hold those weapons back.”
It should hold those back.
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“they shoot first because they are the imperium its what they do, however if they did learn he is a time traveler they would capture and torture him first.”
Prove they would shoot someone who looks human.
“the other universes he has visited where parallel worlds or side dimesions which where very similiar to his home universe not a completly different universe where he would have no prior knowledge of history or technology to act on ”
Still, he could be here to fix it.
“simply put if he is tardis appeared in the emperor’s throne room about hundered members of the adeptus custodes will blast him into tiny fragments the moment he opens the door.”
The TARDIS has a shield around it, the bullets will never get through.
Also, why would he appear by the Emperor’s Throne?
“im not sure how this had anything to do with the doctor going up against pysker’s since the morphant is a creature the master took over on skaro”
The Fact that a Timelord can resist a creature that takes over people with greater ability than daemons.
“While he is in his TARDIS however, no one can get to him.”
S’cuse me, but Kranarak (Or whatever his name is) Could hunt him down.
“Prove they would shoot someone who looks human.”
Chaos worshippers, rebels,traitors,gangmembers these are all humans that die in the hundred’s of thousand each day the IOM is not a forgiving entity, if a member of the imperium, even suspected the doctor of being anything offer than an upstanding member of the IOM they would either detain him or kill him where he stood.
also he has many of speech,clothing would be the first thing to give him away, and his psychic paper may work on the general public but most imperial officials have some level of psychic training since they deal with pykers almost every day so his paper is not likely to work on them.
“Still, he could be here to fix it.”
i very much doubt the doctor came to 40k universe to fix something he would have no way in knowing about, and even if he did to necrons are an extremely advanced race even before there transformation to their modern day form, their technological level must be pretty damn close to that of the daleks who can kill tardis’s.
“The Fact that a Timelord can resist a creature that takes over people with greater ability than daemons”
im afraid thats conjecture since there is no way to prove that morphants have a greater ability to take over someone compared to demons
@ Shadow – I congrats for arguing that the doctor could perhaps fix WH40k, but the fact the doctor has been both hurt and captured before means that at one time or another (especially) someone will target him and that same person might just have any number of weapons in WH40k with one shot. Its truly only a matter of time. Oh yes, concerning the doctor “fixing” (ha-ha) that would lead to a series of events that would for certain destory the orks and eldar, if not all the other races. I also find the fact that the Dr. is an energy being would make him very appealing to the C’tan or even Daemon possesion if he decides to use his mental powers.
“that could crush the Imperium who have been at war for 50,000 years”
actually, if you analyze the sontarans, they are pretty shit soldiers…
they have:
*no armour support
*no non-orbital air support
*apparently, no heavy weapons
*semi automatic lasers in a fully automatic world
*they move very slowly for things with 2 legs
*poor reaction times
*very little bodily protection, lacking even kevlar vests
and the crowning pigion shit on the new haircut?:
they try to conquer a world to use as a new base/breeding ground. to make this world, they fill it up with ignitables that, when ignited, will revert the world back to its previous state.
i mean, if you captured a new base, would you pour petrol all over it? then cover it in newspaper and firewood, then pour more petrol on it? AND THEN SAY: USE FIRE HERE???!
i mean it, the sontarans are pretty crappy compared to the guard, who have:
*an emphasis on armour, air and heavy weapon support
*either fully automatic lasers, or fully automatic assault rifles
*high mobility (depending on availability of APC,s and guardsmen fitness)
*varying reaction times (depending on training and guardsmen alertness)
*a wide range of training and backgrounds
*admittedly, rather shit bodily protection
*backup by a large and impressive navy
*commisars (ensure that only a complete smeg-head retreats)
*speciallist infantry (as opposed to the sontarans, who seem to only have one basic infantry type)
*a variety of infantry based special weapons (as opposed to heavy weapons)
*badassery
it can be seen that the guard would defeat the sontarans, let alone to think what the space marines would do.
but lets try to stay on topic
“but lets try to stay on topic”
i just had to point out the fact that the sontarans are perhaps the worst soldiers ever, being even worse than chav gangs.
like shaun said, the guard would quite easily rape the sontarans.
“this isnt war, this is sport!”
that quote from dr who would be turned around, the guard would be saying that whilst the sontarans would be wetting themselves