While they teamed up for a match against Link and Cloud, here they are facing each other. I have to admit that I know much more about Kratos, so I would lean towards him to pick a winner, but I know Dante can pack a punch.
Who would win?
While they teamed up for a match against Link and Cloud, here they are facing each other. I have to admit that I know much more about Kratos, so I would lean towards him to pick a winner, but I know Dante can pack a punch.
Who would win?
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@Lightning
If anything this will likely end up like Batman vs Wolverine or Lara Croft vs Zero Suit Samus where the thread is awarded (and locked in the case of the latter) due to incessant fanboyism
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And first to pass 1000 comments bitches
@StealthRanger
“As in he was in a full body bond where he was unable to move his body to gain any purchase”
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^yeah that hasn’t stopped kratos befor the same happen with the kraken…..speaking of which kratos when pissed seems immune to harm www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PzGsi2tYk
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^sorry for the piss poor quality though its a 8:20 and on. not to mention kratos clearly has over powered “full body binds” and was unable to drag a monster formed thanatos.
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“By what means? And means shit without the durability of said thread”
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^was unharmed after getting stabbed in the face…..
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“So do regular gods and titans from uncharged slashes”
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^see here you contradicted your self you claim kratos has #0 blade durability feats yet agree he tanked several slashes from the boo while in zeus hands who’s clearly as strong as kratos yet didn’t cut him in half with one slash. as for dantes weapons…any thing that puts them above the boo in feats?
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“Still pales in comparison to Dante”
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^not really kratos easily crossed like 15 ft before anyone could flinch.
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“For all we know he could have hear the arrow coming toward him and dodged it before it arrived. Besides even though hes an arrow timer, he still pales in comparison to Dante who is hypersonic”
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^ yet kratos was able to react to a surprise lunge from the Leviathan, which has at least mach 30 speed in being able to reach up from the ocean up a great distance to Mt Olympus, in a second or so. and has immense reaction time/hand-eye coordination/skill in being able to beat the countless spawning doppelgangers of himself, keeping them from hurting wife and child at all. This is increased by the fact that they were only one maybe ~30 square feet of land and his doppelgangers were able to shoot lightning and wield the blades of chaos just as he was. There was very little space and the blades themselves cover huge arcs, and he was able to defeat them whilst keeping them from damaging his family and he kept himself from accidentally damaging them as well. all in ares pocket dimension. yeah dantes looking a little slow now
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“Hes still below the speed of sound whereas Dante is easily Mach 5+”
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^style over substance not to mention hermes boots at lvl 2 do make a sort of sonic boom and were said to use weapons to their fullest potential are we not?
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“Or maybe he was also relying on his brother sort of, hence why he may not have been going all out at the start. Stop using the false dichotomy fallacy fucktard”
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^nice name calling bro. you know what OOC or “out of character” means???
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“And im curious to know where the 1500ft tall figure came from”
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^director i belive in an interview also a quot from gaia states it took kratos 3 day’s to climb up to cronus back in the first game….
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“Oh and ‘Million Stabs’ movement which allows him to do a hell of alot of stabs (way more than six) in one second”
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^does it give you a million in your hit counter? and do they leave numerous after images?
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“He regenerates from having his ribcage broken and several organs punctured simultaneously by several weapons and keeps trucking”
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6last time i checked kratos had a broken face,ribs and sever internal bleeding and was fine after like five seconds plus kratos has more stanmina thus would eventualy win either way.
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“I see no feats of laceration at all, more so to the contrary actually”
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^we agree that kratos tanked several slashes from the boo while criticaly wounded not to mention kratos speed and reaction times he should easily be able to block his attack with the golden fleece. as for quick silver seriously it would definitely slow kratos down im not denying it but he won’t stop. not to mention ive read the wiki on gow and it states he can sense danger.
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yeah hulks off topic lets stick to the topic at hand okay?
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unless dante can move faster then mach 30 hes quite screwd that and the doppelganger feat.
“sorry for the piss poor quality though its a 8:20 and on. not to mention kratos clearly has over powered “full body binds” and was unable to drag a monster formed thanatos.”
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Except he had outside help there to make him stronger and activate his ‘Rage of the Titans’ power and Thanatos was stronger than the Kraken, thus your example was fail indeed
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“yet kratos was able to react to a surprise lunge from the Leviathan, which has at least mach 30 speed in being able to reach up from the ocean up a great distance to Mt Olympus, in a second or so”
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Im curious to know where you attained this Mach 30 number as it actually took several seconds to scale Mt Olympus
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And that would be a huge outlier from his other feats (arrow timing, catapult timing)
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“and has immense reaction time/hand-eye coordination/skill in being able to beat the countless spawning doppelgangers of himself, keeping them from hurting wife and child at all. This is increased by the fact that they were only one maybe ~30 square feet of land and his doppelgangers were able to shoot lightning and wield the blades of chaos just as he was. There was very little space and the blades themselves cover huge arcs, and he was able to defeat them whilst keeping them from damaging his family and he kept himself from accidentally damaging them as well. all in ares pocket dimension. yeah dantes looking a little slow now”
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He never faced them all at once now did he? And theres no canon instance of him actually dodging lightning and he was likely aim dodging it considering Zues’ lightning is thrown in a spear like fashion and none of them were moving beyond peak human speed
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Still not fast enough to keep up with Dante who is Mach 5+
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Stop repeating the Kratos dodged lightning argument fucktard
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“not to mention hermes boots at lvl 2 do make a sort of sonic boom ”
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Show me where he goes at or above the speed of sound in the Boots of Hermes or your just spouting more bullshit
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And gameplay mechanics are inadmissable
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“were said to use weapons to their fullest potential are we not?”
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No, we go with what they’ve been shown to do unless stated otherwise
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“you know what OOC or “out of character” means???”
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How does that relate in anyway? Kratos wouldn’t want to kill his brother so he held back on him
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“director i belive in an interview”
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Show me where he said that or your claim is ass
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“does it give you a million in your hit counter?”
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It does stab hundreds of times in a second at the very least. Far more than 6. Therefore Dante is faster with Rebellion than Kratos is with the Arms of Sparta (which he doesn’t have in his current incarnation, so he doesn’t have them here)
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“and do they leave numerous after images?”
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How the hell is that relevant to how fast it is?
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Thats just like me saying Goku is faster than the Silver Surfer because he leaves afterimages while Silver Surfer doesn’t
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“last time i checked kratos had a broken face,ribs and sever internal bleeding and was fine”
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Dante nearly instantly regenerates from that sort of damage and severe laceration nearly instantaneously and even when he receives said attacks he still laughs at them as if nothing happened (as i’ve proven before)
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While dat stuffs keeps Kratos down for a while or kills him, hence proving my point that Dante has superior regeneration
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“after like five seconds”
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How ’bout some proof it was five seconds and not just your own words
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“kratos has more stanmina”
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I never contested this. So what was the point of saying it
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“we agree that kratos tanked several slashes from the boo”
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Gameplay never shows signs of damage even then he still bleeds when hit by it and he appeared to have several sword wounds in the cutscenes
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And being stabbed seemed to peirce him just fine, and it still doesn’t prove hes immune to laceration like what E&I and Rebellion can do
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“not to mention kratos speed and reaction times”
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Dante is still easily superior as you have nothing to put Kratos on Dantes levels other than lightning timing (which was shot down here and he likely aim dodged and theres no canon instance outisde of gameplay where he reacted to it) and the Leviathan feat (which is the only legitimate hypersonic feat you have, which even then is a huge outlier from his other feats of RT) as far as im concerned
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“he should easily be able to block his attack with the golden fleece”
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Except that he has to actively catch his projectile in the fleece and throw it back. Furthermore he can only catch and deflect one projectile at a time and this process takes 2 seconds, so no, hes not fleecing hundreds of bullets every second (which is beyond his ability to react to until you prove otherwise, with feats that are consistent enough with eachother to prove hes hypersonic)
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“as for quick silver seriously it would definitely slow kratos down im not denying it but he won’t stop”
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I never said that Quicksilver was a time stop. So why the hell did you say that
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Either way Kratos gets slowed, Dante goes faster, Dante decapitates Kratos or spams hundreds of bullets per second blowing his body to peices seeing as he has no feats to resist laceration on he level of E&I
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“not to mention ive read the wiki”
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You lost my attention past there
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“unless dante can move faster then mach 30″
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Like I said, the Leviathan feat is a huge outlier and where the fuck did you get Mach 30 from?
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“doppelganger feat”
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Which proves nothing considering he never faced all of them at once and none of them moved beyond peak human speeds whereas Dante moves at Mach 5+ speeds
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Thus Dante is still superior in speed and RT as you have yet to actually prove otherwise
Whoops, missed out on a few things
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“was unharmed after getting stabbed in the face…..”
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How about you prove he was stabbed in the face and not just your own words?
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“he tanked several slashes from the boo while in zeus hands who’s clearly as strong as kratos yet didn’t cut him in half with one slash”
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He still bled when he took slashes and Zues diagonally slashed him several times and whacked him with the Blade and peirced him just fine. Never tried to bisect him
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That and Zeus impaling him killed him just fine as it PIERCED his body and went right through him
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That and your argument is all the more retarded as gameplay never shows physical damage being done to anything, so your ‘BoO didn’t pierce his skin’ is invalid
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Still doesn’t prove hes immune to laceration on the level of E&I.
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Try again fucktard
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And btw, isn’t this coming from the guy who tried to refute Hermes speedblitzing Kratos by crying ‘IT WAS ONLY GAMEPLAY!!!’
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Not only are you a fanwanker and a fucktard, but you are such a fucking hypocrite as well
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“not really kratos easily crossed like 15 ft before anyone could flinch.”
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You do realise that was a slow motion scene right? Otherwise by that logic I could claim that sports players have time slowing powers because the camera slows before they hit the ball
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And still doesn’t prove Kratos is above the speed of sound, let alone Mach 5+ like Dante unless you can quantify it, not that I can see you doing so because, well…… lets face it, you don’t even know the difference between strength and willpower
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“shoot lightning”
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Yeah except that lightning wasn’t moving anywhere near the speed of actual lightning as it was fired in a spear-like fashion and lightning does not behave like that. Even then Kratos didn’t actually react to it, instead he pre-emptively reacted to it, hence no lightning reaction
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And Dante is still superior in RT as the only hypersonic feat you have for Kratos is an huge outlier that is inconsistent with his other RT feats (arrow timing. catapult timing)
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Dante for the FP Award this Sunday
@StealthRanger
“Except he had outside help there to make him stronger and activate his ‘Rage of the Titans’ power and Thanatos was stronger than the Kraken, thus your example was fail indeed”
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^kratos always has a “rage mode” buddy(except in coo and betrayal) its even mention from gaia as a narrator:”kratos soon realized what he gained in humanity he lost in power”
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“Im curious to know where you attained this Mach 30 number as it actually took several seconds to scale Mt Olympus”
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^it past a titan in less than a secound titans on average in the gow verse are 1500 ft tall(and they ain’t the biggest things kratos has fought this is: godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Gyges )
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“He never faced them all at once now did he? And theres no canon instance of him actually dodging lightning and he was likely aim dodging it considering Zues’ lightning is thrown in a spear like fashion and none of them were moving beyond peak human speed”
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^they continually spawned until the arenas virtually full,Zeus lightning until proven otherwise should move at around a max of 30% the speed of light,not to mention they were attacking him and his family and via cut-scenes its quite obvious he was using the blades of chaos which he also was using them good enough to avoid hitting his family.
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“Stop repeating the Kratos dodged lightning argument fucktard”
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^ i don’t recall actually using it hes never “dodged” lightning in a cutscene though the reacted immensely to zeus arc lightning.
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Show me where he goes at or above the speed of sound in the Boots of Hermes or your just spouting more bullshit
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^ godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Hermes_Boots lvl 2 thus atleast at the speed of sound if not much more considering hermes casualy speed feats.
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“Gameplay never shows signs of damage even then he still bleeds when hit by it and he appeared to have several sword wounds in the cutscenes”
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^is dante as strong as zeus?nope and zeus failed to cut kratos in half didn’t he?even after several attempts
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“Except that he has to actively catch his projectile in the fleece and throw it back. Furthermore he can only catch and deflect one projectile at a time and this process takes 2 seconds, so no, hes not fleecing hundreds of bullets every second (which is beyond his ability to react to until you prove otherwise, with feats that are consistent enough with eachother to prove hes hypersonic)”
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^actually doesn’t the fleece when blocking cover kratos with a golden hue thus temporarily catching any threat? not to mention he seems to be invincible while countering.
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“No, we go with what they’ve been shown to do unless stated otherwise”
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^ nope i was allowed to use kratos with lvl; 5 hades claws before
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How does that relate in anyway? Kratos wouldn’t want to kill his brother so he held back on him
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^it relates when kratos is fighting thanatos
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“Show me where he said that or your claim is ass”
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www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27238490/quotthe-making-of-god-of-war-iiiquot—df-article&msg_id=320839066
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“It does stab hundreds of times in a second at the very least. Far more than 6. Therefore Dante is faster with Rebellion than Kratos is with the Arms of Sparta (which he doesn’t have in his current incarnation, so he doesn’t have them here)”
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^ he get’s the feats though thus he can attack that fast.
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“Dante is still easily superior as you have nothing to put Kratos on Dantes levels other than lightning timing (which was shot down here and he likely aim dodged and theres no canon instance outisde of gameplay where he reacted to it) and the Leviathan feat (which is the only legitimate hypersonic feat you have, which even then is a huge outlier from his other feats of RT) as far as im concerned”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSlJJpggRM
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^kratos seems to put the boo in front of him at the last possible second.
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“Like I said, the Leviathan feat is a huge outlier and where the fuck did you get Mach 30 from?”
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^got crossed the gap of a titabn qwhicvh is around a 1400-1600 ft tall and then some in less than a secound then got to near the peak in 3*(mt olympus in go seemingly several times mount Everest hight as well.)
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“He still bled when he took slashes and Zues diagonally slashed him several times and whacked him with the Blade and peirced him just fine. Never tried to bisect him”
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^yeah couldn’t cut kratos in half like i said plus dante is no where near zeus level in strength is he now?
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“And btw, isn’t this coming from the guy who tried to refute Hermes speedblitzing Kratos by crying ‘IT WAS ONLY GAMEPLAY!!!’”
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^i never refuted it like that i sated in the cutscene right after kratos is fine without injury not to mention if you know how to play NUR modes you could kill hermes without taking a single hit
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“You do realise that was a slow motion scene right? Otherwise by that logic I could claim that sports players have time slowing powers because the camera slows before they hit the ball”
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^really cause kratos was moving at actual speed ever one elese was stopped in time in a sense.
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yeah via the mach 30 feat kratos kinda edges dante out doesn’t he? not to mention far superior stamina.
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as for regen i go by when he was at his weakest when the qte started thus about 5 seconds to fully heal.
@mrgedrons 2.0
Is Zeus on Mundus’s lvl? No.
Kratos never used the Boots canon-wise, he just took them and used them during gameplay.
“kratos always has a “rage mode” buddy(except in coo and betrayal) its even mention from gaia as a narrator:”kratos soon realized what he gained in humanity he lost in power””
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Awesome statement that in no way addresses my point. He never had any purchase against Thanatos during that scene and relied on Deimos sort of
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Already refuted this
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“it past a titan in less than a secound titans on average in the gow verse are 1500 ft tall(and they ain’t the biggest things kratos has fought this is:”
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Still doesn’t address my question. Show me some calcs that quantify it as Mach 30 or GTFO
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Even then that would be an outlier from his other feats
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Fucktard
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“they continually spawned until the arenas virtually full”
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None of them were above peak human speed, whereas Dante is Mach 5 and that feat is too unquantifiable
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“Zeus lightning until proven otherwise should move at around a max of 30% the speed of light”
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Based on what exactly? Zeus’ lightning fires in a spear like fashion and lightning doesn’t behave like that, nor does it move anywhere near said speeds. Furthermore given his attacks fire in a spear like fashion, they’re easily capable of being aim-dodged and telegraphed. You’ve been called out on this many times
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Stop repeating the same refuted arguments in some kind of illusion that they’ll be true
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” i don’t recall actually using it hes never “dodged” lightning in a cutscene though the reacted immensely to zeus arc lightning”
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He was hit by the ‘Zeus arc lightning’ think in GoW2 before he faked his surrender. Never reacted to it fucktard
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” lvl 2 thus atleast at the speed of sound if not much more considering hermes casualy speed feats”
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Nothing about a sonic boom anywhere in there. Stop taking things out of context fucktard
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And what speed feats put Hermes above the speed of sound anyways?
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“nope and zeus failed to cut kratos in half didn’t he?even after several attempts”
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Gameplay never shows visible signs of damage at all. Therefore your argument of ‘Zeus could cut him in half’ is invalid considering that Zeus was able to impale him handily and Kratos was peirced by the pillar
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So prove to me where otuside of gameplay where he fails to eviscerate him or stop cherry picking and fanwanking
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Try again fucktard
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“actually doesn’t the fleece when blocking cover kratos with a golden hue thus temporarily catching any threat?”
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Gameplay mechanic
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“not to mention he seems to be invincible while countering.”
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Proof or get the fuck off
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“nope i was allowed to use kratos with lvl; 5 hades claws before”
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Not my point fucktard. I meant we go with their feats with said weapons unless we say ‘both combatants are at full potential’ in the OP
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“www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27238490/quotthe-making-of-god-of-war-iiiquot—df-article&msg_id=320839066″
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Still doesn’t address the Mach 30 thing
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“he get’s the feats though thus he can attack that fast.”
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Exactly. Dante can stab hundreds of times in one second while Kratos can’t attack at these speeds
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Thus Dante has superior combat speeds over Kratos
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“got crossed the gap of a titabn qwhicvh is around a 1400-1600 ft tall and then some in less than a secound then got to near the peak in 3*(mt olympus in go seemingly several times mount Everest hight as well.)”
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When you can show me calcs that prove its Mach 30 i’ll believe you. Until then you’re just fanwanking as always
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“yeah couldn’t cut kratos in half”
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How about you prove that and not using gameplay mechanics fallacies and cherry picking to try and prove it considering that the BoO lacerated him just fine
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And you’ve been called out for this several times in Hulk vs Kratos and Sephiroth vs Kratos. Stop repeating it!
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“dante is no where near zeus level in strength is he now?”
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Hes still strong enough to eviscerate Kratos given that Kratos has no feats to resist laceration as you ‘Zues can’t cut him in half’ is ass as gameplay mechanics are inadmissible
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“i never refuted it”
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Exactly, you were crying ‘it was only gameplay’
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“sated in the cutscene right after kratos is fine without injury not to mention if you know how to play NUR modes you could kill hermes without taking a single hit”
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Like I said, none of that refutes Kratos having trouble tagging Hermes who is below the speed of sound. Stop using red herrings fucktard
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“really cause kratos was moving at actual speed ever one elese was stopped in time in a sense.”
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Like I said, the camera was slowed down and stuff in that scene. Stop drawing from false conclusions from retarded premises
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And it still doesn’t prove how Kratos is above the speed of sound, let alone Mach 5 to even tag Dante
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“yeah via the mach 30 feat kratos kinda edges dante out doesn’t he?”
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Like I said, show me some calcs the prove its Mach 30 or your claim is bullshit like you are ever since you came here
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Even then that would be a huge outlier from his other feats of RT that you posted. And since we go with more consistent feats…. yeah
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Dante is still easily superior as you have nothing that puts Kratos on the same level other than stopping the Leviathan’s claw (the only legitimate hypersonic feat you have) which is a huge outlier from his other feats
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“as for regen i go by when he was at his weakest when the qte started thus about 5 seconds to fully heal.”
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Like I said, prove it was 5 seconds as game time and real time aren’t the same thing and are inconsistent with eachother as I’ve explained many times
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For all you know he could have taken several hours to regenerate
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And Dante regenerates from that sort of damage and more (multiple organ punctures, broken bones, any sort of wounds a heatshot from a tank would cause) near instantaneously and keeps trucking as if nothing happened
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Whereas that kind of damage temporarily severely injures, cripples or even kills Kratos. Judging by that Dante has the superior regeneration to Kratos easily
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Anyways Dante for the FP Award on Sunday as the Kratos side is just repeating the same shite over and over again
@Gendrons
Would you stop pulling half-assed feats with no concrete evidence? It’s getting fucking annoying. SR has already proven everything he has said and debunked everything YOU said.
“Would you stop pulling half-assed feats with no concrete evidence? It’s getting fucking annoying. SR has already proven everything he has said and debunked everything YOU said.”
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This x1000!
@Lightning
My current gravatar vs Atoli, at this point, would be better, yes?
Honestly, this is going to end up like Batman vs Wolverine where the thread is locked due to incessant fanboyism and half-assing from the losing side (Kratos)
The things I’ve heard about Kratos, some people think he can beat Sora from KH. I heard he was faster than light. lol
Neither of those two are faster than light though.
@Kuja
I thought the 300 universe is faster than light!
Well according to mrgendrons Kratos can tank the heat death of the universe
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Honestly, Kratos is good, but IMO hes one of the most heavily wanked characters on the internets (especially on KMC)
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But on topic thats 19-1 in favor of Dante
Well, at least people don’t wank One Piece here. I have seen people on Lounge and Mangafox wank Luffy against characters like Haru and Negi while claiming he wins. Dante, Kratos and Kharn do get wanked lots sometimes though.
“Dante, Kratos and Kharn do get wanked lots sometimes though”
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lol, mrgendrons and several of his ilk think Kratos is above DBZ level to Divine Spawn levels…
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… when really hes only at (or slightly above) One Peice levels
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“Mangafox wank Luffy against characters like Haru and Negi while claiming he wins. ”
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Same here on the OBD, claiming that Luffy could defeat Darth Vader
@S.R
It might depend on WHICH STAGE for Vader is Luffy up against, in question, that determines whether or not he’d pull it off, right?
“Dante, Kratos and Kharn do get wanked lots sometimes though”
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Oh, don’t forget Cloud and Sephiroth. They’re fairly overhyped across the internets
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Anyways, thats 19 votes in favor of Dante with…. 1 for Kratos and the one on his side is a fantard who is doing nothing more than taking things out of context and is half-assing feats with no concrete evidence
Low-balling would be permitting for things to go at a more concrete form to have meaningful context with!
Hahahaha, I heard someone said Cloud has country level durability due to Sephiroth not killing him directly. They got this from the fact that Sephie cut off Jenova’s head when she withstood falling onto the planet.
@Lightning
Why they didn’t low-ball the idea, I’ll never know.
The idea of ArchDemon deadlocking the Tyranid Swarmlord makes more sense than that idea, blast it!!!
GOD I hate Cloud and Sephiroth, all this guys are so wanked. And why hasn’t Dante got his award yet.
Well Sundays coming up soon….
So Dante solos this fight for real, right?
Yeah Dante wind quite handily. Guns and time manipulation coupled with speed and reaction time (as far as consistent feats go) pretty much secure his victory…. at least in the majority of fights anyways
@StealthRanger
“Awesome statement that in no way addresses my point. He never had any purchase against Thanatos during that scene and relied on Deimos sort of”
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^exactly he had to rely on his brother for help.
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“He was hit by the ‘Zeus arc lightning’ think in GoW2 before he faked his surrender. Never reacted to it fucktard”
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^he blocked it with his blade
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“Not my point fucktard. I meant we go with their feats with said weapons unless we say ‘both combatants are at full potential’ in the OP”
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nice job swearing again….any who im going by attacks hes capable of physically doing with said weapons to assess his combat speed.
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“And what speed feats put Hermes above the speed of sound anyways?”
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^gow comics i think the links long lost in lmsr1 hermes casually runs into the horizon and back instantly followed by filling six goblets instantly while leaving around 3 to five after images of him self. ill repost the link soon enough.
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“Exactly. Dante can stab hundreds of times in one second while Kratos can’t attack at these speeds”
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^exactly kratos reacted to the leviathans lunge and crossed the distance from sea level to near the peak of mount olympus in seconds.
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“When you can show me calcs that prove its Mach 30 i’ll believe you. Until then you’re just fanwanking as always”
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^how bout a cutscene instead titans are about the size of the sears tower and are specs on the mountain. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJO_w1ufq_A&feature=relmfu
at about 3:50 the titan falls into the water and at 4:05 the levaithan shoots out. obviously going at high hyper sonic speeds. kratos later easily reacts to it while caught off guard.
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“How about you prove that and not using gameplay mechanics fallacies and cherry picking to try and prove it considering that the BoO lacerated him just fine”
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^ill get more feat don’t worry plus when i use gameplay i use unavoidable game play.
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“Like I said, prove it was 5 seconds as game time and real time aren’t the same thing and are inconsistent with eachother as I’ve explained many times”
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^this is true real tiome in the first gow was three weeks yet you can win the game in 10 hours othertimes kratos is extremly slowed in gameplay like in his experience with charon. im using the middleman in otherwords the qte’s and in game cutscenes(using the games engine to make the cutscene instead of cgi)
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“Whereas that kind of damage temporarily severely injures, cripples or even kills Kratos. Judging by that Dante has the superior regeneration to Kratos easily”
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^meh kratos has superior durability and stamina to help that problem.
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“Anyways Dante for the FP Award on Sunday as the Kratos side is just repeating the same shite over and over again”
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^im still voting kratos unless dantes above mach 30(you claim mach 5 so hes screwd)
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also the golden fleece sends enemy’s back after a parry if he chooses not to counter then could just do his own onslaught.
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“he blocked it with his blade”
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Stop using the false dichotomy fallacy fucktard. For all you know he could have pre-emptively put his blade up before Zues launched the attack
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“nice job swearing again”
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Style over substance fallacy
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“any who im going by attacks hes capable of physically doing with said weapons to assess his combat speed”
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Yeah, he did that with the Arms of Sparta which he does not have in his current incarnation. Stop trying to apply it to other weapons
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And it still pales in comparison to Dantes hundreds of stabs per second
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“gow comics i think the links long lost in lmsr1 hermes casually runs into the horizon and back instantly followed by filling six goblets instantly while leaving around 3 to five after images of him self. ill repost the link soon enough.”
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1. Are the GoW comics canon to the games?
2. You’ve been called out on this several times. Unless you can show us some solid calcs and quantify the speed to be above the speed of sound, then it is invalid and Dante is still faster and has superior RT (as far as consistent feats go)
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“at about 3:50 the titan falls into the water and at 4:05 the levaithan shoots out. obviously going at high hyper sonic speeds. kratos later easily reacts to it while caught off guard.”
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And wheres your proof that Olympus is higher than Mt. Everest. Wheres your calcs to prove that the Leviathan is going at Mach 30? Even then thats a huge outlier and we go with consistent feats afaic (arrow timing, catapult timing)
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Stop pulling half-assed feats based on your own personal interpretation and conjecture fucktard
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“ill get more feat don’t worry plus when i use gameplay i use unavoidable game play”
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Seeing as you have nothing other than gameplay to prove hes immune to laceration, and we don’t go by gameplay here… yeah
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“this is true real tiome in the first gow was three weeks yet you can win the game in 10 hours othertimes kratos is extremly slowed in gameplay like in his experience with charon. im using the middleman in otherwords the qte’s and in game cutscenes(using the games engine to make the cutscene instead of cgi)”
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That was just more of your bullshit opinion. What proof do you have that hes slower in gameplay than he is in cutscenes? What proof do you have that it was 5 seconds? When for all you know it could have taken several hours
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That and Charon isn’t even breaking the sound barrier and for all you know he could have only been able to move at said speeds across short distances. Unless you can prove hes above the speed of sound, not that I can see you doing so because, well…. lets face it, you don’t even know the difference between strength and wilpower
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Stop wanking Kratos’ dick and pulling half-assed feats and personal interpretations fucktard
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“meh kratos has superior durability”
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Only applies to blunt force trauma which even then heavily damages him and doesn’t really apply to laceration which you have yet to prove so, yeah its irrelevant
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“stamina to help that problem.”
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If this was a battle of attrition it would be valid. But due to Dantes superior speed, RT (as far as consistent feats go), guns and time manipulation, that won’t exactly happen in the majority of fights
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“im still voting kratos”
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Too bad the majority and evidence oppose you
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“dantes above mach 30″
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Like I said, source your figures, show me solid calcs to prove its Mach 30, stop half-assing feats and relying on conjecture for your fanwanking and maybe i’ll believe you then. Until then i’ll say that it *at best* puts Kratos near Dantes levels
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Even then its a huge outlier that in very inconsistent with Kratos’ other feats (arrow timing, catapult timing) as afaic we go with consistent feats here, thus Dante is superior in RT
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“you claim mach 5 so hes screwd”
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Still alot faster than Kratos by quite a significant margain
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‘also the golden fleece sends enemy’s back after a parry if he chooses not to counter then could just do his own onslaught.”
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Too bad he has to actively react to the attack to catch it in the fleece. And he can only catch and deflect one projectile at a time and this process takes 2 seconds. When your opponent moves alot faster than you and can spam projectiles at a faster rate than you can return fire, this tends to be irrelevant, yeah Fleece has too many loopholes
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And its all the more useless when Dante uses Quicksilver and slows time and Kratos and makes himself go faster
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Anymore Kratos fanwanking fucktard?
@StealthRanger
“Stop using the false dichotomy fallacy fucktard. For all you know he could have pre-emptively put his blade up before Zues launched the attack”
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Really cause i could of been using icarus wings and then instantly blocking the lightning
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“Style over substance fallacy”
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^ what substance
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“Yeah, he did that with the Arms of Sparta which he does not have in his current incarnation. Stop trying to apply it to other weapons”
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^yeah like i said “physically capable of”
im not using the argument kratos canm throw any spear and have it turn into hundreds am i(burrage of ares)? im just going by stabbing a simple movement.
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“That was just more of your bullshit opinion. What proof do you have that hes slower in gameplay than he is in cutscenes? What proof do you have that it was 5 seconds? When for all you know it could have taken several hours”
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i gave you these arguments(kratos moving so fast no one was moving for example) or the charon feat
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“That and Charon isn’t even breaking the sound barrier and for all you know he could have only been able to move at said speeds across short distances. Unless you can prove hes above the speed of sound, not that I can see you doing so because, well…. lets face it, you don’t even know the difference between strength and wilpower”
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^like you don’t know the diffrence between durrability and willpower i assume?
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“If this was a battle of attrition it would be valid. But due to Dantes superior speed, RT (as far as consistent feats go), guns and time manipulation, that won’t exactly happen in the majority of fights”
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^lol consistent feats just goes to show you agree kratos is supperior in rt via leviathan feat.
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“Like I said, source your figures, show me solid calcs to prove its Mach 30, stop half-assing feats and relying on conjecture for your fanwanking and maybe i’ll believe you then. Until then i’ll say that it *at best* puts Kratos near Dantes levels”
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^a titans the size of the sears tower the leviathan shot to near the top of the mountain in secounds
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“Even then its a huge outlier that in very inconsistent with Kratos’ other feats (arrow timing, catapult timing) as afaic we go with consistent feats here, thus Dante is superior in RT”
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reactions where its at bro
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ill be back
“Really cause i could of been using icarus wings and then instantly blocking the lightning”
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Like I said, prove it and not just your own words
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“what substance”
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Don’t be a pissant
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“im not using the argument kratos canm throw any spear and have it turn into hundreds am i(burrage of ares)? im just going by stabbing a simple movement.”
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Like I said, that was more a technique of the weapon itself and not actual movement, stop trying to apply this to other weapons
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And still pales to hundreds per second
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“kratos moving so fast no one was moving for example”
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Which was slowed for the sake of the scene and not an actual feat
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Stop half-assing shit and trying to pass it off as a feat
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Not that its above the speed of sound, let alone Mach 5 like Dante
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“the charon feat”
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Already covered this. Wasn’t moving past the sound barrier as far as we know unless you can quantify it
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And Charon for all you know could only do that over short distances
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“like you don’t know the diffrence between durrability and willpower i assume?”
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lol don’t get upset at me and reverse the insult because your a dumbass who doesn’t get what strength and willpower mean
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“lol consistent feats just goes to show you agree kratos is supperior in rt via leviathan feat”
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1. Nice strawman
2. Way to make yourself look like a fucking faggot in doing so
3. Its a common thing in debating. If theres a feat that is far above any other feat the character performed then its an outlier, and we go with consistent feats here afaic
4. I said it would put them on equal levels at best
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“a titans the size of the sears tower the leviathan shot to near the top of the mountain in secounds”
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Like I said, source your figures, show me some solid calcs that prove its Mach 30, show me proof Olympus is taller than Mt. Everest and stop pulling half-assed numbers out of your ass and relying on conjecture for your personal interpretations
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And way to dodge the question again you cowardly little cunt
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“reactions where its at bro”
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Dante is still superior (as far as consistent feats go) as you have no consistent feats to put Kratos near Dantes levels (other than stopping the Leviathans Claw which is a huge outlier from his other feats)….. yet
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“ill be back”
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The debates been dragged on long enough due to your fanwanking. Dante wins, Kratos loses. Not a stomp, but he still loses. Find a new argument that isn’t taken out of context or half-assed or kindly fuck off and leave us be
“And that would be a huge outlier from his other feats (arrow timing, catapult timing)”
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Ever hear of a low end feat? That’s what those were.
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“Still not fast enough to keep up with Dante who is Mach 5+”
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Kratos can react to him.
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“It does stab hundreds of times in a second at the very least. Far more than 6. Therefore Dante is faster with Rebellion than Kratos is with the Arms of Sparta”
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Going by looks, it does appear to be hundreds but we have nothing more to really go on for that attack so it’s ass. Dante’s attack speed is still faster than Kratos’ though.
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“Gameplay never shows signs of damage even then he still bleeds when hit by it and he appeared to have several sword wounds in the cutscenes”
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Don’t cite gameplay mechanics when you’re claiming them inadmissible or you’re a hypocrite.
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“(which is the only legitimate hypersonic feat you have, which even then is a huge outlier from his other feats of RT) as far as im concerned”
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Low end feats…
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“He still bled when he took slashes and Zues diagonally slashed him several times and whacked him with the Blade and peirced him just fine. Never tried to bisect him”
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Dante still bleeds when he takes hits too and just because Kratos bleeds from being stabbed doesn’t denote durability.
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“^kratos always has a “rage mode” buddy(except in coo and betrayal) its even mention from gaia as a narrator:”kratos soon realized what he gained in humanity he lost in power”
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How does this help at all?
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“and they ain’t the biggest things kratos has fought this is: godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Gyges )”
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Once again, where’s the relevance here?
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“lvl 2 thus atleast at the speed of sound if not much more considering hermes casualy speed feats.”
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Still slower than Dante.
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“^is dante as strong as zeus?nope”
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How do we even know Zeus is stronger than Dante or as strong as Kratos? What strength feats does he have?
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“not to mention he seems to be invincible while countering.”
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Gameplay mechanics.
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“Even then that would be an outlier from his other feats”
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Sigh….
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“Stop repeating the same refuted arguments in some kind of illusion that they’ll be true”
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This is semi ironic as you’re spouting shit again yourself.
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“Furthermore given his attacks fire in a spear like fashion, they’re easily capable of being aim-dodged and telegraphed. You’ve been called out on this many times”
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Uh, so because it’s thrown in spear like fashion it makes it as slow as a chucked spear? The thing may not be lightning timing but it could possibly be at least reactions to electricity.
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“And Dante regenerates from that sort of damage and more (multiple organ punctures, broken bones, any sort of wounds a heatshot from a tank would cause)”
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Headshot from a tank? What the fuck are you smoking? Were Dante to somehow get hit by that, he’d be dead.
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“^exactly kratos reacted to the leviathans lunge and crossed the distance from sea level to near the peak of mount olympus in seconds.”
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That was one attack. Whose to say he can react to tons of them coming one directly after the other?
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“^im still voting kratos unless dantes above mach 30(you claim mach 5 so hes screwd)”
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Mach 30 is unproved BS so you lose.
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“also the golden fleece sends enemy’s back after a parry if he chooses not to counter then could just do his own onslaught.”
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Uhh… No, no he can’t as Fleece doesn’t allow invincibility.
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“Style over substance fallacy”
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Regardless, cursing like a red neck doesn’t get a point across and it’s what trolls want as it’s as Chuck puts it; “Oh he’s mad!”
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“im not using the argument kratos canm throw any spear and have it turn into hundreds am i(burrage of ares)? im just going by stabbing a simple movement.”
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Still can’t keep up with Dante.
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“The debates been dragged on long enough due to your fanwanking. ”
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While true, you could have easily just ignored him. In the past Pilers made the mistake and ended up with unnecessarily long threads like Dante vs Alucard, Wolverine vs Master Chief and Chief and Arbiter vs Alien and Predator.
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As for this debate, both sides seemed like they had some change as Hellboy cleaned up his act a bit and Stealth was more logical but it’s reverted back again…
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Stealth, stop spouting shit just out of distaste for gendrons. He’s a troll but counter-trolling him back won’t make him go away and just bloats threads beyond belief. This is the internet about fictional characters, if you don’t want to deal with him and his BS, IGNORE HIM. Simple as that.
“Ever hear of a low end feat? That’s what those were.”
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Ever heard of an outlier? One must be careful of those
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“Going by looks, it does appear to be hundreds but we have nothing more to really go on for that attack so it’s ass”
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That was for the million stabs thing. I just assumed hundred as theres nothing to assume that there is a million stabs in one second other than a hyperbolic title
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“Dante still bleeds when he takes hits too and just because Kratos bleeds from being stabbed doesn’t denote durability.”
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Not my point. Hes trying to claim that the BoO bounced off Kratos and he went ‘hurr durr dat tickled’ based on gameplay events, so yeah
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“Uh, so because it’s thrown in spear like fashion it makes it as slow as a chucked spear? The thing may not be lightning timing but it could possibly be at least reactions to electricity.”
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Not my point, nor did I say that. My point is that if it was fired in that fashion then Kratos would have had time to predict the attack and pre-emptively react accordingly
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And it doesn’t exactly behave the same way as actual lightning bolts do either
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“Headshot from a tank? What the fuck are you smoking?”
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I believe OriginalA said that on Dante vs Alucard or something. Meh
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“That was one attack. Whose to say he can react to tons of them coming one directly after the other?”
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My point exactly
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“Mach 30 is unproved BS so you lose.”
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This too
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“He’s a troll but counter-trolling him back won’t make him go away and just bloats threads beyond belief.”
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Seemed to work with Halo trolls *shrug*
““Still not fast enough to keep up with Dante who is Mach 5+”
Kratos can react to him.”
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Dante is Mach 12 actually and quicksilver makes him appear 1000 times faster so if Dante uses quicksilver agianst kratos (which he doesn’t need) you do the math
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“Ever heard of an outlier? One must be careful of those”
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An outlier is defined as;
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out·li·er
/ˈaʊtˌlaɪər/ Show Spelled[out-lahy-er]
noun
1.
a person or thing that lies outside.
2.
a person residing outside the place of his or her business, duty, etc.
3.
Geology . a part of a formation left detached through the removal of surrounding parts by erosion.
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Nothing exists about them in the rules either so that’d be a low end feat just like a low end feat for someone like Spawn (whose FTL in reactions) would be reacting to bullets.
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“That was for the million stabs thing. I just assumed hundred as theres nothing to assume that there is a million stabs in one second other than a hyperbolic title”
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But there’s nothing to assume it’s in the hundreds either unless you mash the attack button in gameplay.
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“Not my point, nor did I say that. My point is that if it was fired in that fashion then Kratos would have had time to predict the attack and pre-emptively react accordingly”
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I stand corrected then.
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“And it doesn’t exactly behave the same way as actual lightning bolts do either”
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Hence why I said it could be another form of electricity or perhaps magic lightning.
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“Seemed to work with Halo trolls *shrug*”
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Didn’t work with Ladi or Sloth. They just disappeared as people grew to ignore them.
“Nothing exists about them in the rules either so that’d be a low end feat just like a low end feat for someone like Spawn (whose FTL in reactions) would be reacting to bullets.”
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In that case I stand corrected as it occured to me it may be an outlier because it only happened one time among other feats below that level but, yeah I’ll concede this point
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“But there’s nothing to assume it’s in the hundreds either unless you mash the attack button in gameplay”
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Well, either way it is faster attack speeds than Kratos can achieve
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“I stand corrected then.”
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That and the ‘fightning off many Kratos clones’ in GoW1 is too unquantifiable to be passed off as a feat of physical ability (mrgendrons tried to use this argument)
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“Didn’t work with Ladi or Sloth. They just disappeared as people grew to ignore them.”
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Oh after this thread I intend to ignore Kratards and let them shrivel and die out
Dante CAN take tank shells!
In Devil May Cry 2, he fights tanks and helicopters, In DMC3 Lady can hit Dante with a rocket launcher, but all of that is in gameplay but still Dante has taken worse than tank shells in cut scenes, hell he can get cut from one side and out the other by vergil (many times) and doesn’t fall apart into meet cubes.
Dante solos this fight, right Omegami?
Well hell YEAH! I voted form him a long time ago and stand in surprise that he has no award yet.
@OMEGAMI
Its an honor to fight alongside you, sir.
Only if we had more men.
Sundays coming up soon gents
@Omegami
I know, we need more veterans to assist in here!
Well we have 19 votes to Dante so far and 1 to Kratos with logic dictating Dante would win at least 6/10 times
6/10? you mean Dante wins 6 times out of 10…. I give him 9/10, and I’m being generous.
Yeah I do mean that
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Anyways we still have 19 votes for Dante and 1 for Kratos, and that one is a stubborn fanboy who refuses to pull his head out of his ass and who uses retarded logic and fallacies
I would be under the belief that Ginny vs Atoli has the potential to go either way, if the match for both sides is done correctly enough, but I digress.
So Dante beats Kratos more times than not, right?
Im down with Dante. I like both of them equally.
I think StealthRanger did a good job on arguing in Dante’s favor, and if that’s now 21 votes for Dante, since Commander Cross and Kuja9001 said they vote for Dante, add my vote in there as well.
” and if that’s now 21 votes for Dante,”
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Actually its 20-1. You’re one off
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“since Commander Cross and Kuja9001 said they vote for Dante”
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They already did. It was 19 votes
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“add my vote in there as well.”
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Well thats 20-1
Well see, StealthRanger, that’s why I said “if”.
Ah, I see then
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Either way thats 20-1 to Dante now
@StealthRanger
Like I said, prove it and not just your own words
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^i gave you the clip didn’t i? im pretty sure thats enough proof as it happened in the actual game
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“Don’t be a pissant”
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^ you started it
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“Like I said, that was more a technique of the weapon itself and not actual movement, stop trying to apply this to other weapons”
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^really? cause his arm seems to be keeping upwith his weapon in the move spartan offensive(the attack that leaves 6-7 after images) its a melee attack as well any way.
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“1. Nice strawman
2. Way to make yourself look like a fucking faggot in doing so
3. Its a common thing in debating. If theres a feat that is far above any other feat the character performed then its an outlier, and we go with consistent feats here afaic
4. I said it would put them on equal levels at best”
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^1)not a strawman but nice red herring bro
2)keep whining
3)yeah im pretty sure we use characters in their prim physical performance of the latest cannon do we not unless the scenario states other wise? yeah that feat happend in gow3 so it counts
4)ss debunked you in outlier bro
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“Dante is still superior (as far as consistent feats go) as you have no consistent feats to put Kratos near Dantes levels (other than stopping the Leviathans Claw which is a huge outlier from his other feats)….. yet”
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^again with the “consistent feat bla bla bla” the leviathan feat clearly puts him well above dante in reaction and by an extension movement sped heck the fastest commercial bullets barley move mach 5.
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@Soldier’s Shadow
“Kratos can react to him.”
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^ an around mach 30 levaithan charge was stopped by him dante only being mach 5 pretty much tears it.
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“Going by looks, it does appear to be hundreds but we have nothing more to really go on for that attack so it’s ass. Dante’s attack speed is still faster than Kratos’ though.”
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^can’t you go by a hit counter? plus i was just pointing out he made his spear leave six after images.
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“That was one attack. Whose to say he can react to tons of them coming one directly after the other? ”
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mach 30 leviathan>>>>>>dante and his bullets which they claim are roughly mach five kratos from this feat seems well within the speed to deal with the half demon.
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“Mach 30 is unproved BS so you lose.”
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^proof of that? you never even gave an argument other than that strawman right their. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJO_w1ufq_A at about 4:00 titans being 1’400 ft tall and just a spec to the mountain. for more scale see o:34 and on to see how huge the mountain is.
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“Uhh… No, no he can’t as Fleece doesn’t allow invincibility.”
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^well not in the sense you thinking. but he simply could just parry all of dantes attacks sending him recoiling back.
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“Regardless, cursing like a red neck doesn’t get a point across and it’s what trolls want as it’s as Chuck puts it; “Oh he’s mad!””
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^well put though i don’t consider my self a troll
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yeah seriously unless dantes got around a mach 30 feat hes screwd
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@StealthRanger
im not the only one who was rooting for kratos thus your calculations are wrong
“i gave you the clip didn’t i? im pretty sure thats enough proof as it happened in the actual game”
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False dictotomy fallacy. For all you know you could have pre-emptively reacted to it
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“really? cause his arm seems to be keeping upwith his weapon in the move spartan offensive(the attack that leaves 6-7 after images) its a melee attack as well any way.”
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It still pales in comparison to Dante, hes never shown this kind of speed with any other weapon so stop applying it to that fucktard
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“not a strawman but nice red herring bro”
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You twisted my words, hence it is a strawman you fucktard
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“an around mach 30 levaithan charge was stopped by him dante only being mach 5 pretty much tears it.”
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Like I said, show me proof Olympus is taller than Everest, show me solid calcs that prove its Mach 30, stop pulling random numbers out of your ass and trying to pull half-assed feats based off your personal interpretation
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Until then the Mach 30 claim is as full of shit as you are ever since you came here
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“can’t you go by a hit counter? plus i was just pointing out he made his spear leave six after images.”
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Still pales compared to Dante’s Million Stabs movement
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“mach 30 leviathan>>>>>>dante”
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To repeat myself, show me some solid calcs that prove the Leviathan is Mach 30, or that Olympus is taller than Everest, show me some specific (and sourced) numbers and stop pulling numbers out of your ass, until then *ignored*
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“proof of that?”
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Burden of Proof is on you fucktard to provide the quantifiable eivdence that proves its Mach 30, and not your personal interpretation and fanwanking
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Since you never did other than fanwanking and speculation and ‘i thinkz so!’
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“well not in the sense you thinking. but he simply could just parry all of dantes attacks sending him recoiling back.”
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How about you prove that and not just your own words fucktard
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Seeings as he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to deflect hundreds of projectiles or use it as a constant defensive shield
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“well put though i don’t consider my self a troll”
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Too bad everyone else does
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“im not the only one who was rooting for kratos”
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Really? I don’t see anyone else. SS was actualy going for Dante as well you know
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Anymore Kratos fanwanking fucktard?
I believe this vid sums up mrgendrons’ antics on this thread:
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well not in the sense you thinking. but he simply could just parry all of dantes attacks sending him recoiling back.
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Dante can use royal guard (or block, i don’t remember) and do the same to Kratos.
Dante can make fun of bullets do to his speed, and when he goes to devil trigger mode….. there is no comparison.
Well admin, Sunday is coming up soon, so hopefully Dante can get his FP Award
As for the Leviathan scaling Mt. Olympus
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Real life figure for height of Mt. Olympus: 2,917m
Rounding off the figure to 2,920
Now lets assume to time the Leviathan took to scale it was 3 seconds
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2,920/3= 973 m/s
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Speed of sound= 340 m/s
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973/340= 2.8
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Rounding off that figure to 3 and the Leviathan is Mach 3 at least
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While I await inevitable fling for doing these calcs wrong, I guess that leads to the Leviathan being alot slower (by a factor of 10.5 to be precise) then our resident fucktard mrgendrons originally estimated (or half assed actually, Mach 30 my ass)
“While I await inevitable flaming for doing these calcs wrong”
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Fixed
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And apologies for the triple post
@StealthRanger
“It still pales in comparison to Dante, hes never shown this kind of speed with any other weapon so stop applying it to that fucktard”
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^well some moves with the nemisis whip,blades of chaos and spear of destiny also posses massive speed.
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“Like I said, show me proof Olympus is taller than Everest, show me solid calcs that prove its Mach 30, stop pulling random numbers out of your ass and trying to pull half-assed feats based off your personal interpretation”
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^i never pulled the mach 30 speed feat out of my ass i got it from other god of war debaters alaso considering howe small titans are on mt olympus and them being as big as the sears tower yeah the mountain is far bigger than everest bro.
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“Still pales compared to Dante’s Million Stabs movement”
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^yeah what dose the hit counter give you? definitely not 1 mil hit am i right?
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“Seeings as he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to deflect hundreds of projectiles or use it as a constant defensive shield”
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^with his reaction times yeah he very well could deflect ever single one of dantes attacks.
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“Really? I don’t see anyone else. SS was actualy going for Dante as well you know”
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^hellboy says hi…..
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“Real life figure for height of Mt. Olympus: 2,917m
Rounding off the figure to 2,920
Now lets assume to time the Leviathan took to scale it was 3 seconds”
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^yeah thats flawed for several reasons:
1)its a fictional mount olympus NOT the real one,titans alone are 1200-1600 ft tall
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJO_w1ufq_A at 0:35 and on
look how tall it is. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7oQpfLdgo&feature=relmfu
and at 3:32 and on pretty much shows how wide it is. not to mention the whole upper portion of the mountain was destroyed by gaias death thus effectively making it much smaller.
2)the 3 seconds sounds about right but you sense of scale is worse then in bayonetta and that final “punch”
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yeah we need some one to truly debunk mount olympus in gowes size,its clearly bigger then the real one and we have titans for scale(like ive said each about 1200-1600(cronus)
Mach 30? BS LOL.
OMG what are you smoking?
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^with his reaction times yeah he very well could deflect ever single one of dantes attacks.
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Another BS, I never seen Kratos reacting and blocking hundreds of bullets coming at him in every direction nor have I seen proof that he does something similar. He wont even know what a gun is anyways, Dante can run around Kratos while pumping hundreds of bullets that can pears through him, last time I checked on my mind Kratos doesn’t have all his body covered in armor and he can die just by getting all of his parts blown up, unlike Dante that’s taken tank shells to the face.
@mrgendrons why are you trolling, you have lost, you are the only idiot that believes Kratos can beat Dante, and 30 mach reaction time!!! are you nuts his reactions are no more than mach 3.
@Gendrons
Your stupidity astounds me. It’s like you’re not even reading our posts before posting. You’re making yourself look like a big fool.
For what I know from Kratos do to GOW1, 2 and 3, I say that at his best (you know, adrenaline or on berserk mode or the like) he could be mach 3, the rest of the time he could force to mach 2 but on a standard he could be mach 1, that one can be proven easily, but mach 30………. LOL.
Real life figure for height of Mt. Olympus: 2,917m
Rounding off the figure to 2,920
Now lets assume to time the Leviathan took to scale it was 3 seconds
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Real life Mt – Olympus is indeed 2,917m but in Gow3 clearly it is not at the same height, as you can see Titans when they climb the mountain it took them a lot of time like gendrons said above.
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About Leviathan feat, it is indeed a impressive feat considering how kratos stops the attacks even when the Leviathan is so sharp and sleek not only a impressive reaction time but also a good force of strength. But about Mach 30 that’s what I’m not sure but it is clear above Mach 6 .
@hellboy
You should know by now… Calcs or GTFO.
What?
Kratos did not react to that, the Leviathans were going fast I give them that, but at no time did Kratos reacted to the leviathan going at that speed when he was fighting it. It just lunges off the water to get to the titans (pretty fast), but it wasn’t going that fast when it fought Kratos did it? NO! It graved Gaia and then went to fight Kratos, never stroke Kratos at those speeds.
You should know by now… Calcs or GTFO.
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www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=776072
*Sigh*
I’m talking about his RT.
@Lightning:
“You should know by now… Calcs or GTFO.”
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The thing is, it’s impossible to make calculations. Therefore, all anyone can go by are assumptions. But without any evidence, that’s all those are, and for this reason, there is no reason for anyone to accept them.
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When the Leviathan is first seen, it fires out from the water, but all that can be determined by that point visually is that the Leviathan has reached well over the first portion of the mountain where the trees can be seen. (4:13) That’s still a long way to go.
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Well, no one knows how long it took the Leviathan to reach up to where Kratos currently is when it shows Gaia. At 4:24, pay attention to the middle left side of the video where the Leviathan goes to grab onto a titan and pulls him off.
Oops. I accidentally pressed Post Comment when I wasn’t finished with what I was writing. Anyway, if this is about the Leviathan smashing through a certain part where Kratos is running, I’m not sure how that’s a feat for his reaction time. Maybe I’m missing something.
loungevswiki.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile-Kratos
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Lol go down even the volcano feat looks real at least it says “Blown away by volcano ”
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@hellboy
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The Zeus lightning feat was disproved as there was no indication of it being real lightning. At most, supersonic. I believed this was brought up before?
Narutoforum…. people wank in there.
I was looking up a fight between Godzilla and Kiuby (think that’s it’s name) people pulled calks up there ass to make an attack of the Kiuby surpass a BLACK HOLE, why? because Godzilla tanked those and people where out of options, so they started making things look more stronger and faster than before.
Also It was Godzilla vs a monster that’s from Naruto so it’s obvious that the fans are gonna wank.
Why did I said all that, because a Kratos fan is bound to wank when his hero is loosing.
Don’t know what makes you think that just because Leviathan was going that fast means Kratos can react to that when it clearly shows that he wasn’t in the fight, obviously the fan within you is making you wank. What else you gonna say?, that because Kratos enemies have a circle marker ontop when they are going to attack will give Kratos powers to see the future and know whats going to happen.
“^can’t you go by a hit counter? plus i was just pointing out he made his spear leave six after images.”
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Subjective to however long the button is mashed.
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“^proof of that? you never even gave an argument other than that strawman right their. www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJO_w1ufq_A at about 4:00 titans being 1’400 ft tall and just a spec to the mountain. for more scale see o:34 and on to see how huge the mountain is.”
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What strawman? You gave no calcs but only assumption as to how you got Mach 30.
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“mach 30 leviathan>>>>>>dante and his bullets which they claim are roughly mach five kratos from this feat seems well within the speed to deal with the half demon.”
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He’s not Mach 30.
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“^well not in the sense you thinking. but he simply could just parry all of dantes attacks sending him recoiling back.”
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If Dante’s mowing him down with his guns, not happening as Kratos can’t counter hundreds of bullets a minute.
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“^well some moves with the nemisis whip,blades of chaos and spear of destiny also posses massive speed.”
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Unquantifiable.
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“^i never pulled the mach 30 speed feat out of my ass i got it from other god of war debaters alaso considering howe small titans are on mt olympus and them being as big as the sears tower yeah the mountain is far bigger than everest bro.”
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And where did these GOW debaters get their calcs and figures? Youtube? KMC?
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“well some moves with the nemisis whip,blades of chaos and spear of destiny also posses massive speed.”
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Red Herring and does not in anyway prove Kratos is superior to Dante in combat speed (who can do dozens-hundreds of stabs per second)
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“i never pulled the mach 30 speed feat out of my ass i got it from other god of war debaters alaso considering howe small titans are on mt olympus and them being as big as the sears tower yeah the mountain is far bigger than everest bro.”
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Ah, so you copied and pasted from other debaters
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And show me proof that Mt Olympus is bigger than Everest other than ‘I say so’, as in specific sourced figures, show me some solid calcs that prove that the Leviathan is Mach 30, give some from of reasonable context and stop talking out of your ass and fanwanking to stroke your ego
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And your argument there was a total non sequiter that in no way proves you right
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“yeah what dose the hit counter give you? definitely not 1 mil hit am i right?”
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Red herring fucktard. Dante can still stab dozens-hundreds of times in a second
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And hit counters in gameplay aren’t arguments either fucktard
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“with his reaction times yeah he very well could deflect ever single one of dantes attacks.”
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How about you prove that and not just your own words since he hasn’t demonstrated the reflexes to dodge hundreds of projectiles per second and your Mach 30 thing is unproven BS
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“)its a fictional mount olympus NOT the real one,titans alone are 1200-1600 ft tall”
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Considering your the one who used the real Minatoan Eruption as the GoW version your in no position to talk and stop with your circular ‘titans r hueg’
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“and at 3:32 and on pretty much shows how wide it is. not to mention the whole upper portion of the mountain was destroyed by gaias death thus effectively making it much smaller.”
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None of that disproves the calcs fucktard. Show me specific numbers of the mountain and show me your own calcs that prove its Mach 30 or kindly fuck off
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“www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=776072″
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oh look, a copy paste! One that actually proves my point! Way to kill your own side too! Thus my calcs still stand. Now find something to disprove the other than the circular ‘Titans r hueg!’ ad nauseum or kindly fuck off and accept Dantes victory
Naruto forums don’t wank much these days, unless you place One Piece in their midst. Lounge destroys all wank nowadays so feats from there might prove useful on your case.
“Naruto forums don’t wank much these days, unless you place One Piece in their midst”
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Theres alot of GoW wanking going on there nowadays
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Anyways, seeing as Sunday is around the corner, Dante for the FP Award
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“And where did these GOW debaters get their calcs and figures? Youtube? KMC?”
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Im guessing KMC seeing as theres alot of Kratos wank there as well as the OBD
@SR
True… Which is why I prefer going to Lounge.
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I agree with the KMC part.
“StealthRanger”
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Or better you proof me he is not taking the main eruption in volcano. when he is clearly inside and blown away.
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Or better you said he is blocking Lighting in Gow2 against Zeus when he is clearly enduring by standing at one place I don’t see any golden aura . And I can post you a link what is Golden Aura .
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“Red herring fucktard. Dante can still stab dozens-hundreds of times in a second”
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Not when Kratos will use Army of Sparta.
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And about time slow quick silver it is clearly DEBUNKED . since kratos can move fairly well and use his blades of Athena inside.
@hellboy
Quicksilver also increases Dante’s speed, your point is moot.
@hellboy
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Does Kratos still have Army of Sparta in GOW3 though? I heard it was gone along with Medusa’s Head.
So Kratos vs Eragon?
“Or better you proof me he is not taking the main eruption in volcano. when he is clearly inside and blown away.”
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ENOUGH. OF. THIS. This has been refuted many times on Hulk vs Kratos and Sephiroth vs Kratos
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He was hit by a piddy precursor to the main eruption and was blasted out BEFORE the main eruption and the sinking of Atlantis was a shifting of the tectonic plates
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If you intend to prove me wrong, do your own work and make an attempt at trying to prove it and stop being an ass and trying to shift the burden on me!
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“Or better you said he is blocking Lighting in Gow2 against Zeus when he is clearly enduring by standing at one place I don’t see any golden aura”
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Blocked it? The context of which is? Seeing as Zues throws it like a spear, Kratos could have easily predicted the attack and pre-emptively reacted to it.In other words false dichotomy fallacy
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“I don’t see any golden aura”
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It happens whenever you block an attack with the Fleece which is a gameplay mechanic. Stop denying it. I’ve already explained this to you
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Either way im not buying the Fleece can protect from hundreds of rounds per second. Quit treating the Fleece as some new form of Dispel Bound
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“Not when Kratos will use Army of Sparta.”
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Except its a close range defense and only lasts for a few seconds, and since its within Dantes character to keep at range, yeah the AoS will wear off and yeah
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“since kratos can move fairly well and use his blades of Athena inside.”
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No, he was massively slowed down in the palace by the time warping effect
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And even then time was pre-stopped and for all you know could have only applied to the environment and Kratos was likely an external force acting on it
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And theres nothing to suggest hes immune to time stops used against him as an offensive weapon either
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Even then Dante still exceeds Kratos in movement speed and he can buff himself further with Quicksilver
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Either way Dante wins this with his superior speed, precision, guns and time manipulation. Not a stomp, but he still wins
“Does Kratos still have Army of Sparta in GOW3 though?”
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Its an ability of the Blades of Exile
www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSlJJpggRM in the start .
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No golden aura .. whats so ever .
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfOpAcn-5s&feature=relmfu 3: 58 GOLDEN AURA one more thing when it covers Kratos body he cannot be hurt by other attacks even if it takes to reflect 2 seconds.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZSB-8LVjMo
2: 32 Zeus lighting Power and Kratos clearly reacted with Golden F .
“No golden aura .. whats so ever .”
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Yeah never blocked it with the Fleece. Red Herring
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“3: 58 GOLDEN AURA one more thing when it covers Kratos body”
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Like I said, gameplay mechanic
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“he cannot be hurt by other attacks even if it takes to reflect 2 seconds.”
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PROVE IT
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“2: 32 Zeus lighting Power and Kratos clearly reacted with Golden F .”
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Yeah, Kratos could have pre-emptively reacted to the attack given the fashion Zues fires it in, thus Kratos would have had enough time to predict the attack and block beforehand
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That and Zues’ lightning doesn’t behave the same way that actual lightning does, so stop jumping to ‘Zues’ litening r reletivistic becoz it looks liek real litening’
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So yeah, Kratos isn’t relativistic
“Yeah never blocked it with the Fleece. Red Herring”
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Thank You if he never blocked it with Golden Fleece it means he took it without a scratch .
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“PROVE IT”
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Watch the video again Zeus throw Second thunder bolt right after and nothing happens to Kratos .
Im going to redo my calcs
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Real life figure for height of Mt. Olympus: 2,917m
Rounding off the figure to 2,920
Now lets assume to time the Leviathan took to scale it was 2 seconds
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2,920/2= 1460 m/s
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Speed of sound= 340 m/s
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973/340= 4.29
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Rounding off that figure to 4 and the Leviathan is Mach 4 at least
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Impressive, but still not enough to react to being mowed down by hundreds of bullets every second and the Golden Fleece is rather irrelevant considering that Dante can spam projectiles at a far faster rate than Kratos can return fire (100+ per second vs 1 every 2 seconds)
“Yeah never blocked it with the Fleece. Red Herring”
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Heck if he is blocking with Golden F then why the lighting does not reflecting back to Zeus .
Its Zeus, not Zues. T_T
“Thank You if he never blocked it with Golden Fleece it means he took it without a scratch”
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Well according mrgendrons he pre-emptively blocked it with the BoO *snicker*
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“Watch the video again Zeus throw Second thunder bolt right after and nothing happens to Kratos .”
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Gameplay mechanic that in no way proves how he is immune to damage while blocking one projectile
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Simple really, Dante spams the fleece at a far faster rate than it can return fire with E&I
“Heck if he is blocking with Golden F then why the lighting does not reflecting back to Zeus .”
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He could have pre-emptively caught it in the Fleece and fired it back at Zues for all you know
The lack of spell-checks would give Byzantine-era Greek Scholars causes for fits and metaphorical cows.
“Its Zeus, not Zues. T_T”
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Im bad with that stuffs >_>
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Either way I don’t feel like beating a dead horse (Kratos dodged Zeus’ lightning)
“Gameplay mechanic that in no way proves how he is immune to damage while blocking one projectile”
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Oh well for that matter watch his health meter . 2nd bolt did nothing because his body was covered with Golden A . again at 4: 20 in the link .
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjHcb4b9zbs&feature=channel#t=9m05s
9: 00 another feat for that matter .
“Oh well for that matter watch his health meter . 2nd bolt did nothing because his body was covered with Golden A . again at 4: 20 in the link .”
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Yeah, all of that was gameplay mechanics
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Until theres a cutscene or something that proves this, im not buying it. Quit treating the Fleece as some new kind of Dispel Bound
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“another feat for that matter .”
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As good as it was, that still isn’t the same as resisting a bolt of lightning from Zues (which Kratos has not done tmk), nor does it prove hes immune to laceration from E&I or Rebellion or react to hundreds of bullets coming his way every second
“nor does it prove hes immune to laceration from E&I or Rebellion or react to hundreds of bullets coming his way every second”
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You have any cut scene dante shooting 100 of bullets per secend? Pls show me .
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With rebellion ?? You are about to kidding me right ?
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Nonetheless he is immune to Lighting. And Zeus lighting is strong enough to destroy Sparta , and Gaia ass.
“You have any cut scene dante shooting 100 of bullets per secend? Pls show me . ”
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“www.animefreak.tv/anime-watch/devil-may-cry-episode-2
Start at 16:10
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Dante holds Ivory at a right angle and hits several posts multiple times each while passing them at a speed of 120+ mph (speed is estabished at 14:53 with a close up at the RPM meter; the speedometer can be seen to the left and dialing in near 120; it isn’t KPH because those speedometers tend to max out around 200 and this one doesn’t surpass 120).
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Since each post is only about 6 inches wide, and he is hitting them around 8 times each, while moving this fast he would have to shooting somewhere close to 100 bullets a second just to hit every other beam. The results of his shooting implies that he not only hit every beam on the side that he was aiming at, but every beam on the opposite side as well. Since he was only using one gun (the other hand being used to hold onto the bike) he would have to be shooting some 8-10 bullets per beam and switching his aim to the completely opposite side to hit the opposing beam within the fraction of a second window of him passing each set of beams.
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…yeah, I think he can unleash 100 bullets in less than a second if they claim it as an attribute to one of his attacks.”
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“With rebellion ?? You are about to kidding me right ?”
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Rebellion stands up to Yamato, nuff said.
“You have any cut scene dante shooting 100 of bullets per secend? Pls show me”
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SS covered this quite nicely
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“With rebellion ?? You are about to kidding me right ?”
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Well, Kratos doesn’t have any resistance to laceration afaic so it could be enough to damage Kratos
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“Nonetheless he is immune to Lighting”
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*bangs head against a wall several times*
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After explaining to you how he was likely pre-emptively dodging Zues’ lightning and how Hephaestus’ attack was not the same power as Zues’ or the same attack as Zues lightning bolts….
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…. you suddenly jump to a fucking retarded conclusion and use a no limit fallacy! Are you fucking kidding me?!
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“And Zeus lighting is strong enough to destroy Sparta”
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His bolts in giant form destroyed a large building with his lightning bolt, not a whole city in a nuclear style attack. Stop taking things out of context
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“and Gaia ass”
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He almost severed Gaia’s hand
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Point is he was never ONCE hit by a lightning bolt from Zeus outside of gameplay and your hasty generalisation, no limit fallacy and retarded non-sequiter doesn’t make him invincible to lightning. Stop taking this vastly out of context!
“Rebellion stands up to Yamato, nuff said.”
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I doubt both of them will stand against Kratos with magic in Close range.
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…”yeah, I think he can unleash 100 bullets in less than a second if they claim it as an attribute to one of his attacks.”
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Everyone can say anything got my point? But are the Dante bullets strong enough to destroy one block of building or giant Titan arm ?
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“Since each post is only about 6 inches wide, and he is hitting them around 8 times each, while moving this fast he would have to shooting somewhere close to 100 bullets a second just to hit every other beam.”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQeRRZv8YcM
3: 15 4 bullets in how many seconds ?