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This match takes place in the world of National Treasure at the start of the first film.
Two of the greatest explorers known are pushed onto a race to uncover the truth behind two great mysteries, but only one can claim the glory on pain of death. John Adams Gates didn’t have the opening discussion with his grandson. Instead, he wrote “The secret lies with Charlotte” onto two $1 bills, and mailed one to Indy and Nathan respectively. Both have been under surveillance, and are each attacked by three hooded figures armed with knives as soon as they read the message on the bill. Inspection of the hooded figures reveals a diary page that leads to the second film’s plot, but reveal no other relevant clues.
Which of the two will be able to solve both plots first?
Nathan is in his current incarnation, while Indy’s version is the one at the start of The Last Crusade. The same organization that sent the groups to intercept the packages will be attempting to stop the explorers with lethal force every step of the way. The spotlight will protect whoever solves the mysteries, but the organization will kill the other immediately to prevent further exposure.
This match is quite similar to Jones versus Croft.
Drake is the more nimble, athletic type, so first instincts say he’d win. Indiana Jones is a far more intelligent, but tends to solve problems with his fists. It really depends where the artifact is. If behind some crafty traps and riddles, then Indy has this in the bag. if the Artifact is across some hard to climb and navitage rocky face, then… then Indy uses his whip to throw drake to his death and takes his time getting across, compalining that he’s “Getting too old for this *Expletive*”…
No, Indy wins this.
Drakes youth and nimbleness is the equal to Jones’ experience.Both have faced impossible odds and come out the victor. But I’ll put my money on Drakes youth and nimbelness to win the day.
That or they’ll reach the artifact at the exact same time.
I have to go with Jones for this fight. Youth and nimbleness can take you pretty far but if it comes to puzzles the more experienced you are can help you pass them without getting a face full of poisoned darts.
Nathan wins this because the crap he had to do to get ONE artifact equals all the crap Indy had to do to get FOUR.
I’d probably give this to Drake but Indie is still badass and much cooler. If a little old.
as far as I saw from playing the game I have to go with Dr. Jones because nimbleness is ok to have in some situations but when it comes finding legendary artifacts without getting killed in the process nimbleness is not something a adventurer should have especially when finding artifacts that require alot of knowledge and skills and awareness to find them so for me Indiana Jones has this one
Not only can Indiana Jones dodge boulders and fight nazis, he can change cloths and become a space pirate, the president of the USA, or a Tom Clancy hero. He is a bad man.
εγω πιστευω πως Nathan Drake ειναι πολυ καλυτερος γιατι εχει το χαρισμα.Νομιζω πως o indiana Jones ειναι καιρος να βγει στη συνταξη.Αυτο σημαινει πως ο Nathan Drake εχει το δρομο ανοιχτο .
With enough puzzles and the like, Indy wins. However, with a more moderate amount of puzzles and some other skills needed, Drake takes this. The shit he had to go through in his two games was INSANE. In the second, he had to climb around a wrecked train with various parts randomly exploding, all of it spinning around sending him flying into some really hard walls. He risked getting enormous rocks in the head, sending him into endless chasms. It was freezing cold, and he wore a t-shirt along with jeans. And he had a friggin bullet in his side, causing one hell of a blood loss. This was the damn tutorial sequence. The guy is more resilient than the Man of Steel himself.
Not to mention Drake’s twisted personality. He kills men by the hundreds, yet at the end of the day he just says, “whoa, that was close” and then having a little laugh. He’s a disturbing guy.
And now that i think about it, screw the puzzles. He will randomly find a notebook or diary in his pocket telling him how to solve all the puzzles ahead.
i’d put my money on drake because-lets face it- he is just the coolest guy alive.
Drake would win cause no matter where the artifact was Drake would shoot Indy and Indy would die and then Drake would take his own sweet time to get the artifact
It’s impossible to give a full answer as not enough details were given.
If we are going with current incarnations, Nate Drake takes this with relative ease.
Indy has been searching for artifacts from the age of nine (the young adventures of Indiana Jones on Netflix) Indy knows more languages, knows more about history having a degree in history, they both been around the world, they both have great athletic skill and have great endurance all this goes into finding these artifacts
We see this in all the movies and all the games
They are not brawling so Indy will win this one
@LeonDrake
Keep in mind Factpile has a current incarnation rule. So the current incarnation of Indy would be KotCS. And that really puts him at a disadvantage against Drake, who is alot younger.
drakes went threw the desert for three days without food or water,and after getting shot climbed up a drailed train on the side of a cliff in the Himalayan mountains,drakes endurance is his best advantage.
I propose this.
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When the match starts, their employers will give them a riddle to solve, which will give a clue to the location of the artifact.
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If they managed to solve the riddle and get to the artifact site, they will be greeted by a puzzle to solve to gain entry.
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Solving the puzzle will open a massive labyrinth, they will have to navigate to the center to reach the artifact.
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The labyrinth is filled with traps, pitfalls, snakes, more puzzles, and robotic sentries armed with Greek Fire.
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If they reach the center of the labyrinth, they will see that the artifact is guarded by a giant. The giant is unstoppable and the only way to defeat him is through a battle of wits.
The giant will tell them three riddles, all of which they have only one chance to guess each before the giant beats them to oblivion.
While they are trying to come up with an answer, the giant will taunt and attack them in an attempt to distract. At this point the attacks will not kill Indy or Drake, it is only if they cannot answer the riddles will the strikes of the giant be lethal.
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The giant will let them pass if they managed to answer his riddle.
They will have to get back the way they entered to get out of the labyrinth, whose traps have reset.
Sounds fair. Although Drake is pretty smart:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHRRzGR3DJY
Skip to 2:00 to see how quickly he finds out the secret of Marco Polo. And:
Skip to 4:30.
Here is another feat for Drake’s intelligence. He actually figured out Francis Drake lied about his trip to the East Indies… at the age of 15. So check this out:
I’ve already suggested a Lara Croft vs Robert Langdon vs Indiana Jones vs Nathan Drake vs Benjamin Gates in a treasure hunt.
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Unfortunately the scenario I suggested for that match is completely retarded, so I’ll have to change the rules the moment it’s posted.
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Indy is an accomplished academic if I’m not mistaken, the riddles are not going to be much of a problem for him.
That sounds awesome Hermit. It may be worth mentioning that Drake is quite experienced in labyrinths. In Uncharted: The Fourth Labyrinth he spends a good deal of time in three different labyrinths. He also is able to reconize some Ancient Greek writing. This is more of a feat really but Nathan can also read Latin and Spanish.
So I think it is safe to say Drake gives Indy a run for his money in the Riddle Solving.
Drake would beat Old Indy in H2H with ease. Hell, so could Sully.
It should be the Raiders of the Ark incarnation of Indiana Jones. It would even things out.
Upcoming showcase. I’ll be arguing for my man Nate Drake. But perhaps a detailed scenario should be added.
I say Nate wins, he’s more used to cracking clues left by complete strangers to get through to the treasure, Indy relies on his fathers notes (even having to get his dads help at one point) in the grail hunt, luck in temple of doom help in Crystal skulls and combo of luck and some skill in raiders. Whereas Nate goes into his adventures completely alone or mostly alone with only his own research and the left behind clues. In 3 even when drugged.at one point he showed his skil and was able to move forward. I dare say Drakes foes were also more competent at trying to kill their target (with small armies defending the areas around the artifact) so I say Drake wins due to a skill edge
Also Jones is at his personal most inexperienced here because Temple of Doom is a prequel to Raiders, he hadn’t encountered the ark yet.
I Hate Nathan Drake, he’s an Indiana Jones rip off. Sorry, just had to say it.
debatable to be honest, there are plenty of similar treasure hunter characters. Lara Croft, whats his name from the Librarian movies (can only remember when I’m watching them), Jones himself and more.
To say any one character is a ripoff when everyone takes some ideas from one character to apply to theirs is a bit difficult.
Even then the first key was the Declaration of Independence, Indy isn’t big on stealing from the United States. Drake don’t give a fuck
I would give my edge to Indy, because from what I know, as he would seem to know more about history than Drake, and that’s what’s needed to find the first clue. (I’m assuming the answer is the same as in National Treasure). With that head start I think Indy could finish before Drake, even though Drake is faster.
“I Hate Nathan Drake, he’s an Indiana Jones rip off. Sorry, just had to say it.”
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My brain cannot process that statement.
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“I would give my edge to Indy, because from what I know, as he would seem to know more about history than Drake”
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When Nathan was about 15 he figured out Sir Francis Drake lied to Queen Elizabeth, don’t count out Drake in intelligence.
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Also it takes place in the National Treasure world? Is that fair to Indy? Because thrusting him into the modern world seems a tad bit unfair.
not really, yet again this is Indy as of Temple of Doom, you can’t get a less experienced Indy without going back to his teens/preteens. Whats more it’s Circa 1935 the world National Treasure exists in is foreign to him, he doesn’t understand the way it works. Now lets look at how well Indy handled the mystery of the Temple of Doom, he started out strong finding the secret passage…..then got turned into Kalis slave. He got lucky when Short Round stabbed him with a hot poker. If he gets brainwashed here there’s no short chinese boy to pull his ass out of the fire. The worst spots Drakes gotten into he was able to use the fact that no one knows history like him to trick the guys into letting him get to the treasure. Like he did to Lazaravich. Hell the only reason he didn’t beat Marlow to the Atlantis of the Sands was because he was temporarily hopped up on a drug.
Drake is a master of decoding, can spot a historical relic from a mile away and tell you what dynasty/empire/era it’s from, and isn’t afraid to play dirty, which Indy is. Indy gets captured he bullshits his way out of it. Drake gets captured he uses his wits to make his way out of the situation with a strategy. While Drake has had to make things up as he goes he’s never gotten into some of the spots Jones let himself get into. Hell at the end of Uncharted 3 when Marlow was about to open the canister he could have let her open it and maybe get her just deserts like Indy let himself get fooled into with the Ark later in his life. Instead of being a pussy and dropping the weapon he had though he shot the chain holding the canister and sent it back to hell at the bottom of that pond thing unlike Indy who couldn’t put aside his archaeological curiosity. That is the Indy we’re dealing with, the one who would drop the RPG just so he could see if it really was God’s wrath in the box. True Drake got burned in the previous two games for that reason in a way but in Drakes Fortune he was unarmed and surrounded by armed guards. In Among Thieves he wasn’t sure what the fuck would happen when Lazaravich ate the sap, and he was still able to fight the nigh immortal war criminal and win. Not only that Indy was helpless in Raiders and he’s even less experienced with mercenaries now. This is the Indy that as I said earlier got his ass turned into Kali’s bitch. And you say Drake isn’t as intelligent or experienced as him when he learned at a much younger age, don’t let the lunatic touch the shit he wants because it’s always bad juju.
I just noticed. This wouldn’t be the first time Nathan has incountered hooded figures with knives. He dealt with similar foes in Uncharted: The Fourth Labyrinth. Just a fun tibidt of information.
Guardian makes a fair observation in regards to Indy’s version. Lets revise that to be Indy at the start of The Last Crusade.
“Lets revise that to be Indy at the start of The Last Crusade.”
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I think that is a good idea.
Okay now we got a party. I’d say Drake and Indy are probably equal in most areas to a point. Indy is still 1940′s though so there are plenty of things he won’t understand. Even if he makes it as far as the Declaration of Independence he’d never be able to get past the security. I don’t even know if he’d try to steal it or would try and get through proper channels. Drake will definitely go for the steal. And I think Drake can pull it off. Not easy but is anything he does easy?
I mean I don’t know if I can see Indy making it through the stuff Drake did, the pirates, zombies, war criminal armies, master chief wannabes, yeti’s, yeti sized blue skinned immortal warriors with extremely powerful crossbows, and well do I need to point out the train crash and the ship sinking, and the airplane blowing up and crashing, and being lost in the middle of the desert with no supplies no idea where he was or where he was heading.
Meanwhile Jones has pure luck drag his ass out of the fire in Temple of Doom, God saved his ass and he was smart enough not to look at the box of death in lost ark. Last Crusade is the only time it wasn’t purely luck that he survived. However he needed his dads help deciphering the traps to get to the grail. Meanwhile Drake is almost always deciphering various codes and riddles. He also deals with various riddle solving gizmos like what were required to solve the national treasure 1 plot.
and forgot to finish, but I say based on what Drake had dealt with he can solve the treasure hunt and succeed before Jones.
I don’t know Drake, but Jones seems to study ancient civilizations. I don’t know how much he knows about the Masons.
I’m not sure if Drake “studies” ancient civilizations” but he seems to know quite alot about secret orginizations. Like the one in Uncharted 3. So perhaps he knows something about the Masons.
if captain epic was here he could exspound on drake.
“if captain epic was here he could exspound on drake.”
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If only Captain Epic were here.
We should have a treasure hunt matchup with one of these guys vs Ben Gates. I mean, how many guys can steal a Declaration of Independence?
@Nomad
subtle old friend.
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Mason conspiracies are a hot topic nowadays so Drake could easily use the mighty Google to learn more if he doesn’t already know it. Whereas Jones would be asking what the internet is, assuming he understood computers.
and….now that I think….how do we know Drake’s never watched National Treasure? he’s in the right time period.
Now thinking about it more, unless Indy has some kind of contact, (like a decendent of sallah, or someone else he knows) he probably won’t know what to do in a modern building like where the Declaration of Independence is. As much as I like him, the only way I see him winning is if he finds Drake and outfights him (which I think he has a decent chance, though Drake has the edges).
Correction:
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Now THIS is a match!
I would put my money on Jones though, partially because I knew him first, but also just logically. He’s smarter and knows more about this kind of stuff than Drake.
Course if it comes to a fist fight…Drake would probably come out on top. But who knows?
Drake may not look it but he knows his history too. This was shown when he recognized the lamp artifact at the start of Uncharted 2, and his knowledge of ancient cultures when exploring the ruins in all three games.
Again he has also figured out the gadgets of the various mysteries and treasure hunts he’s been on, meanwhile Jones generally only has to look at artifacts or translate things. He isn’t going to figure out the glasses as quickly as Drake will, not only that he doesn’t have the same skill on his own that Drake does, Jones works best when he as a group member, with another adventurer (his dad/son) and a gal friday. Look at Drake in Uncharted 2, he fought his way through a train full of bloodthirsty mercenaries with an attack helicopter trying to blow his ass sky high. Name a combat feat where Jones did anything relativistic to that.
“He’s smarter and knows more about this kind of stuff than Drake.”
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Except that may not be true. Nathan is extremely intelligent, in Uncharted 2 Drake broke into a war lord’s camp and only had a short amount of time to read documents, and yet he still discovered where Marco Polo’s 13th ship crashed. He did that in minutes, what others couldn’t do in months. As I said earlier in the debate, “He also is able to reconize some Ancient Greek writing. This is more of a feat really but Nathan can also read Latin and Spanish.” So Drake is quite intelligent.
In Uncharted 2 Lazaravich was also wishing Nate was his history treasure hunter for hire as opposed to the guy he had
“In Uncharted 2 Lazaravich was also wishing Nate was his history treasure hunter for hire as opposed to the guy he had”
Though to be fair, that’s mostly because Flynn was the Robin to Drake’s Batman.
“Name a combat feat where Jones did anything relativistic to that.”
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Taking over a tank, lol
yeah I don’t think taking over a tank with 2-3 guys compares to a train with a few hundred armed soldiers.
I nominate Nathan Drake for the Factpile Award.
seconded.
Thirded,i think
Indy all the way. Come oonnnnn the man’s a legend! Probably the reason drake became an adventurer
Also this:
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“The same organization that sent the groups to intercept the packages will be attempting to stop the explorers with lethal force every step of the way.”
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I believe favors Nathan Drake.
So.. Why is this match made in 2009 in recent news?
weekly thing old matches get brought up changed and re debated.
@Rhodo
I’m guessing you missed the message posted in Daredevil Batman, there’s going to be a weekly showcase from now on. Once a Week on Wednsday an old under debated match will be put on the front page to be debated.
“yeah I don’t think taking over a tank with 2-3 guys compares to a train with a few hundred armed soldiers.”
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Hence the lol. Jokes, man, jokes.
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SRSLY THO, I feel inclined to third the Drakester.
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@ Rhododendron
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Dunno…mebbe it had a MAJOR kickstart or something, making dustbin material recent news.
Oops, I mean…FOURTH the Drakester…my bad
@GuardianAngel1911
Well I WAS gone for a few days….
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By under debated I’m hoping that doesn’t mean I’m gonna see stomps resurface…(bulldog v deathstar *shudders*)
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ON TOPIC:Yeah I see drake winning this.. I mean hes got some impressive combat feats,durability and endurance. Added with his great archeology knowledge.
@Rhodo
they have to have less than 90 posts I think is the rule. But I doubt that would get put up anyway, their focusing on matches they feel should have been bigger than they were. I don’t hink anyone wants to see that abomination of a match again.
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yeah overal Drake just has edges in most areas and can match Jones in figuring out the riddles to the treasures.
So do we have enough nominations to get Nathan a FP award?
Would this be considered a stomp? I completely agree with Nomad that putting Indy into a modern situation makes his methods hilariously obsolete. I guess there’s no way this situation could be revised, huh?
“Would this be considered a stomp? I completely agree with Nomad that putting Indy into a modern situation makes his methods hilariously obsolete. I guess there’s no way this situation could be revised, huh?”
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Sorry for my absence, folks. I’ve had a long hollyday.
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Showcase matches will never be stomps. Let’s just part from the premise that Indy has working knowledge of all modern-day elements as soon as he is warped into Pilerverse.
Nathan Drake for the FP Award
Even with working knowledge I don’t see him winning. He’s used to working with the government, and I doubt he could convince them to let him use the invisible map on the back of the Declaration of Independence (this universe doesn’t have that magic warehouse after all) whereas Drake would imediately start working on the theft in a way that likely gets him at odds with the government and results in him having to take a hostage.
Once that’s done whatever happens, Drake is in the lead, he’ll be able to figure out the glasses faster than Jones would not that it matters since Jones likely wouldn’t be able to get the DI without tracking and fighting Drake, a fight I don’t see Indy winning, not easily at any rate, course Drake wouldn’t win easily either but he’s more likely to come out on top considering we’ve seen him in fist fights more, including ones where he’s killed people in melee. Jones we don’t have as many hand to hand feats from.
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the second movies quest could get interesting but I think Drake wins there too.
Pretty much what GuardianAngel said.
bump, Nate for the FP award.