Suggested by Hitman H94
This match is made more interesting as there is actually some chance for this match to become a movie…
Anyways, as fun as it would be to watch Wolverine struggle to fight off Venom, in the end, I think the mutant wins, but not after an epic battle.
What do you think?
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i think that it depends on where it is set because the only weaknesses venom has(that i know of) is high frequency sound and fire so it it is somewhere that logan has acces to these than wolverine will win if not venom will eventually beat him
I’d give this to Wolverine as he’s pretty much unstoppable (read: overpowered) unless Venom is allowed to leave it’s host and possess him. So… draw I guess?
hmmmm thats a hard one, while wolverine is strong (again read stupidly overpowered), venom is cool…
im going to put my money on venom as hes cooler and doesnt rely on games that give him stupid powers (xmen origins) that means he can survive almost anything.
I think Wolverine could win this. It would be pretty epic though.
I’m going with Venom, Wolvy doesn’t have fire or high requency sound in his arsenal.
I think it would be a draw. Nether will be able to defeat the other
No Doubt one of the coolest matches I can Imagine and these two have teamed up before In Wolverine and Venom Tooth and Claw. In that series they both seemed pretty confident that they would win if they were to fight and id say the the symbiote would be a pretty good match for wolvies claws which were bone at the time but still I think that the cutting power of Adamantium would be too much for venom to block while wolverine’s Healing factor would be more then capable of taking care of any injury Venom could inflict on him.
Wolverine for a verry close win
Couldn’t Wolverine scrape his claws together to create a high-pitched frequency?
I think the Venom symbiote would ditch Eddie and bond to Wolverine. If not that, then Venom would bud off a baby and that would bond to Wolvy. I’m goin with Venom on this one because of that.
I’m going to go with Wolverine.
Venom has more powers (and is one of my personal favourites), but I think Wolverine’s claws could tear through him.
Though the thought of adamantium ripping through symbiote limbs, which then reform, is an awesome one.
Wow, people saying Wolverine is over-powered?
Okay idiots, why don’t you go look at the Warhammer universe if you want over-powered.
Forget you idiots.
i think wolverine could win this if he constantly clangs his claws together and hacks away at venom, bu otherwise this may be it for the mutant.
i am soo happy 2 see my first battle
i think that venom could try and take over wolverines body but i think wolverine will be able to hold him off if venom tried but i think venom will be just 2 uch for wolverine
This battle will go on for a long while, with both taking enormous amounts of damage. Eventually, I think wolverine will win by a small margin.
However, I wouldn’t be surprised if symbiote attached unto venom, which would probably be it’s best bet to win this.
i know wolverine will win .
i know becouse i have a comic cook wolverine vs venom and wolverin wins .
That’s one way to put it.
Wolverine prefers brute strength in most cases, but he isn’t stupid either. He could defeat Venom (although it would be painful).
Wolvie for the victory!
venom is good wolverine is the best.
“I think the Venom symbiote would ditch Eddie”
Venom ditched Eddie a long time ago for another Spidey villain, Mac Gargan (aka Scorpion).
“Wolverine prefers brute strength in most cases, but he isn’t stupid either.”
Agreed. Logan is extremely tactical when he needs to be. One doesn’t get to be a top operative employed by numerous covert groups to counter similar groups.
In my opinion, Wolverine has the advantage on brains and endurance, but Venom has the advantage in brawn and adaptability. I can’t rightly call out a victor at this juncture.
alrite 2 things, if wolverine gets the symbiote, its a win because he is going to kill Gargan with it, and wolverine would win because this battle would go on an on, until the gargan and thus the symbiote run out of energy and pass out, if wenum wasnt cut to pieces first
We all remember how spider man got corrupted in the symbiote suit. same could happen to Wolverine. When the symbiote ditches whoever it is possesing at the time, it appears as a wolverine suit. It gives enhanced endurance, more strength, and above all, it has spidey webs. I’d wager it could even strengthen the claws that wolverine already has!
@Dracosphinx
Wolverine doesn’t need those: hes alrdy B-A enough
@wtf bomber
more b-a never hurt
@ss…hehe
this is true tho
hahaha so wolvie for the iwn
i honestly dont see how venom can win, and i nominate for a factpile award
B.S. What happened in the game, “Spiderman – Web of Shadows”? The symbiote took over Wolverine.
non cannaon i think
Wolvie with a Symbiote Hmmmmmm Yea I could see him saying I’ll eat your brains.
interesting venom’s speed and strength (and other powers wall crawling invisibility spider sense organic webs (you get the picture)) might give him an advantage but he cant kill wolverine (hulk couldn’t). he might be able to knock him out but im not sure for how long. wolverine’s healing factor is a big part in this particular match up. so after getting a vary long beat down from venom wolverine would end up dicing him with his unbreakable claws.
snik.
Venom is more agile, stronger and faster than Wolverine and has lots more range and several other abilities.
And it has already been shown in the comics that Venom can take on wolverine.
Even Spiderman beats Wolverine and Venom is like a powered up version of Spiderman
venom weould win cuz no matter how much he is cut the symbiot would form together
this is what would happen
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“venom weould win cuz no matter how much he is cut the symbiot would form together”
Don’t be an idiot, Venom can’t kill Wolverine.
“Venom is more agile, stronger and faster than Wolverine and has lots more range and several other abilities.
And it has already been shown in the comics that Venom can take on wolverine.
Even Spiderman beats Wolverine and Venom is like a powered up version of Spiderman”
None of that matters, as long as Wolverine’s skeleton stay intact, he can’t die. He’ll just keep healing and healing. Don’t tell me that Spiderman can beat Wolverine either because even the Hulk and a nuke couldn’t kill him.
Either Wolverine wins, or it’s a stalemate.
@ drunkmonk
im not sure of this but wouldnt venom just make logan his new host and therefore win because there will no longer be a wolverine just a superpowered venom
I’m pretty sure you would have to kill your opponent on Factpile, but I could be wrong. Making him his new host would leave both of them still standing.
@ DrunkMonk,
“Don’t be an idiot, Venom can’t kill Wolverine.”
Wolverine can’t kill Venom either, his claws will be near useless against the symbiote.
“None of that matters, as long as Wolverine’s skeleton stay intact, he can’t die. He’ll just keep healing and healing. Don’t tell me that Spiderman can beat Wolverine either because even the Hulk and a nuke couldn’t kill him.”
Spiderman can and has beaten Wolverine a couple of times in the comics, it’s canon.
You’re saying since the Hulk didn’t kill wolverine means he didnt win? The Hulk is not a killer, but has beaten Wolverine everytime they fight. Case in point this is what the Hulk is capable of doing to Wolverine if he gets serious www.marvel.com/publishing/stories/ultWolvHulk/lrg01.jpg
“I’m pretty sure you would have to kill your opponent on Factpile, but I could be wrong.”
Not always the case.
in conclusion if you read “Venom: run” you would know of the fight that happens between Venom and Wolverine wherein Venom is dissing Wolverine saying he’s a dissapointment, just an angry little man with sharp little knives and beating him up, the fight got interupted but later on Venom just made wolverine his new host, meaning Venom won, wolverine loses.
@monokid
not to get in the middle of any of this but that’s the ultimate incarnation of wolverine. in the marvel ultimate universe adamantiume is less dense than the regular marvel u. less density takes away the indestructible or limitless density factor their for allowing beings like the hulk Apocalypse or colossus to destroy it or so (marvel editor and chief) Joe Quesada has stated. and also not every time hulk and wolverine battled has hulk came out on top wolverine won a few times.
after all hes the best there is at what he dose.
@ blackwing
I know about the ultimate versions, i was just using it as a demonstration of how the fight would go if hulk would be serious about beating up wolverine, because what holds bones together are ligaments, tough fibrous tissue and those are not covered in adamantium, only the bones. (If someone has any better info on this, please do tell.)
So it would be possible to rip off arms and legs even if they are covered with adamantium.
And I’m sure Wolverine has won against the Hulk with some kind of plot device but i can’t really recall when, all the fights i seem to remember end in Wolverine being KO, or the Hulk getting bored or just wants to be left alone.
@monokid
i have also wondered about the wolverines skeleton and joints iv looked it up on wikipedia marvel.com and marvel wiki and so far it is unknown (or unstated) if his joints are adamantiume or not (although i assume the tissue would heal faster than you can break it for some one of venoms strength level (but probably not a full rage world war hulk)). iv also wondered about his healing factor in the age of apocalypse storyline his hand was cut of and it would not regrow but in recent comics all his flesh was burnt off up to his unbreakable skeleton and within a matter of minutes he completely healed. wolverine has some shaky continuity but i chose to fallow his current continuity or else the character would make no scene. i mean the dudes a Canadian samurai.
sorry about not submitting this comment before i left my computer.
ok veno is not just the symbiote, he has flesh, that can b cut, and if venoms symboite get wolverine, wolvie wins, bc hes gunna kill gargan w/ it. his ligaments are adamantium in this universe(check darth maul vs wolvie i think for that 1 or here im not sure). ALL of this has been established already, read the other post before you bring up an argument that has already been put down guys.
If his ligaments were adamantium, he wouldn’t be able to move then.
that’s true there has to be some sort of separation of the bones in order to move. but for some reason marvel keeps avoiding this question. although its not rilly necessary for them to because if they just say wolverine joints are flesh and would regrow in less than three seconds they would avoid this entire mess (its most likely because some one in the 1970′s or 80′ stated that they were made of adamantiume was not really thinking of the question and they don’t want to mess with the continuity even more) like i stated before “shaky continuity” that’s why i just go with the recent stuff with some one like wolverine (its a shame that such a fun character is held back by something written in the 70′s or 80′s) marvel should just give him a reboot (although it would most likely be difficult seeing how much hes involved in the marvel u.) like they did for spider man in one more day. (but not mess it up afterwords.)
Heh yeah in the ’70/’80′s comics were much simpeller. Ok since the skelleton didnt fall apart when Wolverine was scorched to the bone by that nukeguy I’m willing to accept the bones sticking together.
But that does not still mean he’ll beat Venom.
For the moment I can only recall one time they fought in the comics (wich are canon =p ) and Venom kicked Wolverine’s ass so hard it was embaresing for wolverine.
@monokid
as i stated in my first comment (#31) the only thing that gives wolverine the slightest chance in winning this particular battle is his healing factor. but if venom can find some way to get around that say suffocating him with his web’s over and over again than i might change my vote. but that depends on which venom were talking about Eddie Brock or Mac Gargan.(if its Brock than he just might be able to pull it off he was always a much more clever venom.) but there is something i forgot to mention on my other post that might make a significant difference was venom’s weakness to loud sound’s and fire. wolverine knows this and that just might save him.
@ monokid
wait which venom beat wolverine? brock or gorgon?
@ ss
Neither one, the venom symbiote was traveling alone and possesed random people. When possesing, Venom symbiote was in total control of the host.
So if he would have been bonded with Brock he would have been even more effecient at fighting. And i havent read much Venom when he’s with Mac Gargan but I’ve heard he is even stronger because his host is much stronger.
To clarify better my point, the things that Wolverine has going for him is, 1. his claws that can cut through almost anything, but the symbiote protects the host with a thick layer of symbioteskin and that skin is repaired almost instantly (at any rate faster than Wolverine can attack again).
2. his healing factor. It’s truth lately his healingfactor has been boosted making him near immortal, however Venoms attacks are not cutting or stabbing, it’s blunt force strength, wich Wolverine will feel the effects off, and his healing factor is not much of great help against Venom’s abbilities of restraining his enemies, by web and symbiotespreading.
Venom however has many things giving him the edge, much stronger, faster, more agile, long range, symbiose protection.
And as for his weakness of fire and loud noise, there is no specific location said but finding noise loud enough and the fire needed to affect him is pretty hard.
noise by scaping claws together, just an idea. and wolvies claws are long enough to pierce the symbiote and cut the flesh beneath, where the symbiote cant heal
o and this is what i was talking about, a direct quote from skunks in the darth maul vs wolverine battle
“Why can’t he just cut through the ligamints you ask? Well, Wolvy’s bones are bound with Adamantium tendons. See, wolvy’s adamantium is special in that even the metal will regenerate”
now i dont know how he moves but he does
By adamantium tendons, I mean Adamantium chains. Each of his bones has a series of tiny adamantium chains bonding them together. If Hulk is unable to tear his bones apart, then Venom most certainly cant.
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@Skunks
that makes much more seance (the Adamantium chains). i always thought if his joints were flesh marvel would say that they would regrow faster than than you can break them (which was kinda of stretching the truth when war word hulk came to battle the x-men) and if they were Adamantium i always thought “how could he possibly move”.
but the Adamantium chains makes perfect seance. (that also explains why marvel never stated if his joints were flesh or not) thanks for clearing that up and for the pic.
thanks skunks, i couldnt explain it , so i had to bring you in
idk if its even a reasonable fight. the symbiote with a host calls itself ‘venom’ but when it has no host its just a symbiote. so if the symbiote ditched scorpion or whoever is hosting at the time and jumps on wolverine, then he would/could be called venom but he would still be the same fighter and venom would be gone with scorpion in his place and wolverine would win/lose by default because even if he didnt then mutilate scorpion he wouldnt be fighting venom anymore and would be the last man standing but would also be corrupted by venom.
srry 4 da runon sentence. also, if venom didnt infect wolverine, then he could just impale him in the eyes and expand inside his skull until his brain is mush and then pull it out. i REALLY like wolvie, but against venom, he doesnt have a fair chance
RE:”impale him through the eyes” (there is no bone/skull directly behind your eyes)
actually if gargan is hosting venom is weaker because the sym has not bonding very well on a mentalevel. INTENSE SOUND AND INTENSE HEAT are what hurts venom. i dont think wolvy scraping his claws will match the sound of mr fans soung gun thingy. also the sym does heal brocks skin bymeans i dont really know right now. not to say that comics arent canon but they change alot so its hard to judge. ultimate venom however is much stronger because he ditched brock and is now straight symbi whith spiky whips and other cool stuff.
Wolverine is devoured and creates the almighty WOLVESYMBIOTE. Otherwise, this match goes on forever.
Man, I had no idea that Wolverine’s bones were connected with adamantium chains. That’s really interesting and goes a long way to explain why he’s still alive.
Regardless, Venom doesn’t have to be the Hulk in order to beat Woverine’s head hard enough to put him in a coma, and if he pulls out Wolverine’s organs, that should slow him down a bit, though it probably won’t do much in way of winning the fight. Also, Wolverine’s claws are a non-issue. Venom has been stabbed all the way through the middle and laughed it off. He’s also had limbs cut off before and has just regrown them.
Can’t Venom regenerate? Which Venom is it?
i think that wolverine would win because he has patience while venom is a mad guy.
wolverine is strong.venom is weak
This match could probably pretty even though I heard that Venom had beaten Wolverine in a comic before.
I think Venom’s cooler than Logan but that really means nothing here.
Venom could lose, but is not weak. Wolverine could behead him, and keep chopping at the body under the beast, alien thing.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Wolverine beats Venom, as stated by a comment way back.
this match is close…….really close im siding with venom because hes overpowering logan.
since hes currently Mac gargan hes got a large arsenal to pull from. and a lot of tricks.
he just as fast if not faster then spidey coupled with the spidersense wolverine will catch hell trying to hit him. and even if he hits him it wont do any lasting damage since the symbiote provides a healing factor and can sustain the host in the case vital organs are damaged.
venom can keep logan at a state of constant agony by abusing his acid.
he can easily stay out of wolverines range with his speed agility and webbing.
eventually he would try to put wolvie down with his poison. which was potent enough to completely end sandman. who has no organs or normal bodily functions what so ever. so it works through some unknown means.
I think venom could overpower wolverine and take him as host. This will make a new mutant-alien hybrid that could be unstoppable in the universe. I thnk they’re both sissys…
Would someoe like to give some specs on Venom’s acid?
well darkblade,4 once we r on the same side,as far as ss saying wolverine would rip threw him deep enough tht he cnt heal,well like the comments b4 me say,venom has been stabbed straight threw the body,and just laughed it off,he also as stated b4,has had body parts cut off and just grew them back on,basically,hes like super buu for those who watched DBZ,where he was torn apart,and just regenerated,so i see absolutely no way for venom to lose,now im not saying he would kill wolverine,but hes got a better chance thn wolverine does killing him
“Would someoe like to give some specs on Venom’s acid?”
probably stronger the scorpion’s, but since its based on scorpions memory i’ll say that its equal. Macgargon used use acid to melt thru bank vaults and solid stone.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRMwiJeRCWU&feature=related
thats a decent example from the show, it worst in the comic.
as a bonus i hope this answers the question about venom and his weakness to fire.
www.comicvine.com/mac-gargan/29-4484/all-images/108-216009/hunger001/105-902267/?offset=65
Venom looks pretty freakin’ beast in the picture at the top of the page.
this is interesting.
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www.comicvine.com/mac-gargan/29-4484/all-images/108-216009/venom1/105-836257/?offset=88
what is venom doing here?
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Tentacle rape marvel style?
“what is venom doing here?”
Tentacle rape marvel style?
If Venom corrupted Logan would that count as a win? The only advantage I can really see for Wolverine here is the same one he has in every match he’s in for the most part and that’s durability though he’s probably smarter than Gargan/Venom.
“The only advantage I can really see for Wolverine here is the same one he has in every match he’s in for the most part and that’s durability though he’s probably smarter than Gargan/Venom.”
maybe, but Macgargan has the memories, experience and skill or spiderman, venom, mrs marvel, and everybody else that ever had the venom suit, not to mention thousands of years of intergalactic knowledge(which i doubt he uses) .
hasn’t wolverine made sparks with his claws? and couldn’t he use that to make fire out of whatever his surroundings are?
fire doesnt bother venom
I’m pretty sure now the only time those can hurt Venom are when they are of really high caliber or so I heard…
Besides there’s no specified setting so Logan may not be able to that.
fire doesn’t hurt him? someone mentioned fire and high frequency sound hurt him.
cyborg pirate ninja jesus,blackwing, and monokid said it does. is there something from marvel.com that says it doesn’t?
www.comicvine.com/mac-gargan/29-4484/all-images/108-216009/hunger001/105-902267/?offset=65
Is the show even canon?
i’m not quite sure what that pic is intended to show. there’s fire in the background but, it doesn’t show it hurts him or not. does anyone know of some official site to look up stuff on venom? i think i figured out the taking over wolverine thing though. if this is specifically a fight to the death between two people, then taking over wolverine wouldn’t count as either winning. no one would have killed the other. they have to kill to win. right?
“i’m not quite sure what that pic is intended to show. there’s fire in the background but, it doesn’t show it hurts him or not. does anyone know of some official site to look up stuff on venom?”
they are in the fire, its not in the background.
“is there something from marvel.com that says it doesn’t?”
marvel.com is a pathetic attempt at an official wiki. not the first source for any claim, and every profile was made by random people whom may or maynot be employed by marvel. MarvelDatabase is leaps an bounds above it.
oh, didn’t know where a good source for marvel characters was, marvel.com just sounded like a good first choice, that’s messed up it’s not official and still called marvel.com, lol.
on another note, i just read that in the comic where venom takes over wolverine, that wolverine’s healing factor pushed venom out. not directly from the comic but from what a wiki said. someone might have to confirm or deny that.
many different forums and wikis say that sound and fire hurt him. they just need to be severe enough, and that simbiotes can build up resistances to them but not be immune. apparently simbiotes can also be hurt by the heat from high voltage.
i suppose this all depends on the environment they are fighting in and what’s around them. maybe admin can pick a spot. other wise i think they both fight until one dies of old age, and i’m not sure either can do that either.
“if this is specifically a fight to the death between two people, then taking over wolverine wouldn’t count as either winning. no one would have killed the other. they have to kill to win. right?”
Venom is still Venom without a host, having wolvie would just make him more claw-y.
” another note, i just read that in the comic where venom takes over wolverine, that wolverine’s healing factor pushed venom out.”
Which universe did this happen in?
Who is wining Wolverine or Venom? I cant deside, I like both characters.
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“many different forums and wikis say that sound and fire hurt him. they just need to be severe enough, and that simbiotes can build up resistances to them but not be immune. apparently simbiotes can also be hurt by the heat from high voltage.”
correct, fire hurts venom, but theyd have to be extremely intense now. and the sound frenqucies required to harm venom wolverine cant produce. well wolverine can die from aging….and so can Venom how long it’ll take is unknown.
also marvel.com is official just the profiles are fan made and unsourced.
Example:
marvel.com/universe/Wolverine_(James_Howlett) no sources, and somewhat old info.
marvel.wikia.com/Wolverine_(James_%22Logan%22_Howlett) sources, discussion page, more comprehensive.
despite whateverybody says all wikis arent bad….especially when they have sources.
@Darkblade.
Who is wining so far? my money is on Venom.
well in all honesty i dont know, both can simply regenerate from whatever the other does, but on the other hand venom can “bam bam !”slam logan for the entire fight.
im all for venom winning because hes stronger, faster, has better reflexes, and more combat options..but wolverine is probably gonna get the award for the usual reason.
It’s an outright tie. Venom (symbiote) will take Logan as a host. Seeing how Logan doesn’t lose in this outcome as he’d likely be able to fight off the symbiote while gaining its enhancements and Venom would be mostly unkillable to the likes of claws…
The loser here is whoever would be the current Venom host.
Where is that venom art from?
Also, Venom FTW.
Would Venom corrupting Wolverine with his symbiote count as a win? I can see CIDE’s proposal being an outcome…
So… who won this debate?
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To me this looks like a stalemate as neither combatant could finish eachother off
“Also, Venom FTW.”
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This.
Could Venom win by making Wolverine his new host?
Or eat him.
I don’t know all I know is current venom is Flash Thompson with guns and grenades.
We should find a good match for Anti-Venom.
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I forgot about that guy…creepy…