Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the FactPile readers.
Who wins?
Here we have a clash of two Sci-Fi franchises looking for bragging rights. I don’t know enough about the Mass Effect universe to give a fair estimation on who would win, so I’ll leave it to the good hands of the FactPile readers.
Who wins?
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Mass effect would win, I think…
First off, Most of the soldiers are just like MC but have powers to manipulate “Dark” Energy, So Just throw MC out of the way….And into a 5 metre deep pool.
Halo wins but i don’t know anything about mass effect but halo wins
One word “Reapers”; these guys make the flood look like kittens, and by kittens I mean kittens that where just born like 2 seconds ago.
But the Mass Effect universe doesn’t even need the Reapers, the standard Human military of the Era would far surpass the entirety of Halo (save the Forerunners, who are easily surpassed by other combination).
BTW; I rather liked Mass Effect, played through it twice for each class….except for that silly infiltrator class….
Also; hotshot, its posts like that that are really, truly pitiful, how the hell can you make a good decisions if you only know half the story? And in your case you only know something in the ballpark of a 1/1000 of the story.
hotshot – “Halo wins but i don’t know anything about mass effect but halo wins”
AlphaCommando – “its posts like that that are really, truly pitiful”
QFT!
This one is a tough one pitting two franchises against each other. If were judging based on overall franchise I have to go with Halo 3. Just because it’s already had 3 games and has way more people playing it.
But if i judge the battle on overall game and graphics I have to say Mass Effect even know Halo 3 has more play ability. It will come down to were the franchises go going forward.
Now if were saying MC and company vs any of the people in Mass Effect I have to go with Mass effect as a slight edge… But to Halo’s defense Mass Effect is a different type of game with a lot more character development.
human soilder = master chief
geth>flood
turan(dont know the spelling) reapers
mass would win, but not withought taking some heavy losses in the prosses
Oke i won’t talk anymore
“Oke i won’t talk anymore”
Don’t be silly. Just try to elaborate as much as you possibly can on your views to form a concise argument. If thats all you can muster, so be it, but expect such reactions to be the rule.
@Rob (Expertimp)
I can see where you are comming from. I don’t necessaryly disagree with anything you said, but let me clarify a bit.
On a general rule, all the matches presented in here (with the exception of “What if…” and perhaps “Celebrities”) part from the idea on the performance of the said content of the subjects in question when forced to battle one another. You DID say you gave that particular edge to Mass Effect, but then you point out the type of games they are “meant ” to be.
To make this short. Always consider how the elements of the story/characters perform in combat to whatever its challenging it/them.
mass effect,better weapons better technology overall
the only thing that could match MC is Mars, the god of war. From what ive seen mass effect has gay creatures and mahines, and how is the tech better than halo3
MC is comparable to a God of war…
No, just…no. Master chief is comparable to a space marine scout sergent. A storm trooper commando. Or in mass effects case, a soldier. The soldier had the least combat utility in the game, due to a lack of biotics of tech skills. The guys from mass effect can short out shield swith a thought, can conjure black holes and fire radioactive armour piercing rounds while regenerating both shields and health at a rate that would make wolverine blush.
If we drop the forerunners/reapers from it (and as they are both, in theory, dormant in their respective universes) then Mass effect has the numbers, the skills, the firepower and the variety to take down Halo’s universe without having to bring its full force. The Turians, the Krogan, The human race and maybe the Asari would be all thats needed.
“No, just…no. Master chief is comparable to a space marine scout sergent”
Now that is just bull, Where did that come from?
Space marines Are Superhuman Warriors that know no fear and can run at 110km/ph.
Chief is Not comparable in any way, Shape, Or form.
Space Marine scout. Not the marine, the cadet before the marine. Before the full transformation, before being hooked up into the power armour, and before the centuries of training.
Learn your unit types before you criticise
Joking aside, Space marine Scouts and MC are probably comparable, and with his experience and plot armour, MC could be an ultramarine scout sergent in no time.
Agreed, maybe, probably not though, he would get discarded for being a bit of a runt =p
“Joking aside, Space marine Scouts and MC are probably comparable, and with his experience and plot armour, MC could be an ultramarine scout sergent in no time.”
I disagree.
Even Neopytes (the lowest rank and most commonly used marines for Scout duties) are superior to Spartans, but only slightly. The only true advantage a Spartan would have over a geared Scout is his shield. The Neophyte should surpass a Spartan’s enhancements and performance.
If we are to compare Spartans to anything in 40K is to Imperial Guard’s Storm Troopers. Though the Spartans might have an advantage over them in turn due to their enhancements and shields. So I guess that what Im trying to say is that your average spartan falls in between a Storm Trooper and a Scout Marine…
God damn, We went off course again….Back to Mass effect winning.
ok ppl from halo dont want to lose okay so they know they wont win so they go to the ark activate ALL the halo rings and destroy everything that ever existed the end. after that there is nothing left at ALL
Mass effect wins easily. In space battles, mass effects ships are faster and have more firepower, in land vechiles battles, halo has a bit of an upper hand, but that is compltely taken away by ground forces. Although I don’t remember seeing any normal human soliders fighting, I can assume that they would be like your teammates, who would could probley hold up agianst a spartien. And finaly, commander sheperard. Basicly, he/she is a spartin with 4x obershield, 100x more damage, and a kinda magie like thing, who is part of a super group (who’s name escapes me at the momment) and if any one in this group is half as good as shepared, then they could probley take out a large chunk of halos forces. And let’s say that halo did activated the rings, so what? Last I checked, they have a range, which I’m sure at least a coulpe of planets would be able to be outside of range.
P.S sorry for misspealings or missing words, my ipod thouch likes to change and delete random words
even if the halo rings are activated .they are still the geth that would live…and the reapers and 1 reaper took a whole army to beat and it destoyed most of that army
and at the end of mass effect u see like a hundred of them flyin around space
so mass effect wins easy even with halo ring bein used
halo would win i don’t think you even understand the power the forerunners actually had master chiefs suit was a grade 3 they had over a 20. not to mention the star ships and multiple halos witch can be set to kill every thing in the universe. and no that wouldn’t kill them to because of the shield worlds. and they can move the halos from their universe to others and it kills all seintient life. not to mention the flood witch would take the reapers technology and all others and use it against them. no the geth are sentient because they are made of living tissue and couldn’t a simple emp bomb disable the entire geth army since they’re all machines and if an emp wouldn’t work them the halos would.
1) There is no actual data on what that rating system means (and it only goes to 18); it could mean power level, environmental protection (like a HAZMAT suit), it could even only shield power. I personally don’t think its raw power because if the easily deployed regular-issue armors that where 9 times a “powerful” as the flood, how could they really have had that much of a problem. I think its relates to environmental protection and is not an actual armor rating.
2) The shield worlds obviously didn’t work like you think they do because of they did the forerunners would have sprung back after their little extermination of everything. That and I doubt that there is nearly enough room on them that wiping out everything the galaxy at an attempt at a Pyrrhic victory would fail on account of numerous races in Mass Effect being automated. Also; based on the fact that there are a mere 7 rings then it is mathematically impossible for all life to be wiped out by them because their dispersion would make them effective against maybe a quarter of the galaxy at best. Plus where did it say the Forerunners have the ability to phase into other universes? Because don’t you think they would have left rather than be exterminated?
3) This is the silly part (not that your entire idiotic rant wasn’t). The Reapers are machine, eternal, and unspeakably evil, how can the flood; who require assimilation to learn things learn to use the technology of a robotic race they have no way of interfacing with? The Geth are sentient robotic lifeforms that probably are made with polymer muscle bundles and other semi-organic materials which allow them to act (and look) like living organisms. And an EPM, you obviously have no idea exactly how EMP’s work, its quite possible to shield things from EMP’s plus from the technology of both universes nobody even developed an ion rifle or associated directed electromagnetic weapon, and if the Geth are built like they think even a DEMPW would be ineffective against them…
@AC, could you please explain your first comment regarding how the Mass Effect Universe is far more advanced then the Halo Universe (disregarding the Forerunners). Please note that I’m only interested in space combat, because in a Sci-Fi universe war it’s all that matters.
ok they couldnt take the reapers technology because they would all die before they even got close to the reapers and if the shield worlds were so good how come all the forerunners are dead geth arent living tissue they are ai that were made by some alien race(cant remember the name) and eventually decided that they didnt want to work anymore
and dont you think that an emp blast would have been the first thing tried on them when they were rebeling
there are some characters on mass effect that can manipulate the mass effect which is this universes version of the force
the standard armor is basically the same as mcs armor with all the regenerating shields and so on
Actually, the geth never decied to not work, one came up and ask. “why do I exiset?” and, who ever the robotic race freakred out and started killing them, because they couldn’t enslave a sentie being ( but killing them Is ok?) and the geth fought back and became increadably powerful. Anways, the way the geth work when there is a group of geth they seem sentie, even though they truley are not, because there minds are kind of connected. Anyways that is not importent. Mass effect would win with reapers alone.
Halo. here is a simple plan that if all the halo teams came together, they could easily think up.
STEP 1-make flood and sentinals team retrieve index.
STEP 2-make Covenent, UNSC rebels, Forruners, and UNSC go into the core of Onyx(Onyx is a planet made out of “shield world sentinals” that link together taking all there shields and weapons powers together. the core is in another dimesion that is accesed through going through the portal near the center of the planets. it is impenitrable to everything incvluding the halo rings and can only be reopened from the inside)
STEP 3-Halo rings fire
STEP 4-the multiple billions of flood,billions of covenat, thousands of rebels, billions of forrunners, trillions of sentials, an bilions of UNSC kill the rest of the none sentient life forms from mass effect.
Ha, no one can top mine. Don’t forget Halo outnumbers Mass Effect because Forrunners, Flood, an Sentinals are in multiple galaxies plus the forunners have combat suits 3-6 times stronger than MC’s.
Space marines Are Superhuman Warriors that know no fear and can run at 110km/ph.
MC can run at 130 mph and doesn’t know fear either. MC was in the military since the age of 6 and has luck on his side.
In the book the fall of reach, it says people comment how SPARTANs look lke greek war gods. Then it says that the SPARTANs are far more ruthless and effective Homer’s gods could ever be. Comparing MC to Mars is a disgrace to him and an honor for Mars.
technically there are more than 7 halo rings. There are more in other galaxies and a new one can be made in less than 1 year( Installation 04 was destroyed in Halo:CE, in less than 1 year, a new ring was almost competed from the arc)
“Comparing MC to Mars is a disgrace to him and an honor for Mars.”
Probably the most hilarious thing I’ve read during my short time here on this board. As if a mere human could compare to the God of War.
I think somebody hijacked his email account, preferably somebody with a level of fanboyism so great that it overrides any other logical function of his brain.
The fact that he even compared a Space Marine to MC (let alone a Greek god) is a sign of his fanboyism…
yea, I couldn’t even begin to count the many ways that Zeus could kill MC
“Comparing MC to Mars is a disgrace to him and an honor for Mars.”
Mars was the ROMAN God of War, you dolt. The Greek God was Ares.
The fact that you would compare Master Chief to either a Space Marine or a deity of War is one thing, but when you mislabel said deity out of sheer misguided ignorance merely elevates you to new pantheons of stupidity.
ok first the forerunners aren’t dead they are humans second they were decimated so bad because the flood take any technology it come in contact with and use it. third the shield worlds do work that way read the books. third the fore runners combinded with the flood would be unstoppable just send the billions amoung trillions of flood fully evolved with forerunner technology on a suicide run while the rest of the halo univers waits the the shield words untill the creatures of the mass effect universe think they won move into the halo universe and right when that happenes the halo universe activates the halos killing all seintient life and rushes out of the shield worlds killing all in their path and thats if the flood alone doesn’t kill the entire universe.
ok the halos most likely wont be used by anyone except the covenant coz its their religon to kill themselves with it
but considering they are probably the strongest out of the unsc and themselves they would be facing the mostpart of the armiesfrom mass effect
which would make it increasingly difficult to get to the halos considering the mass effect “human ships” can jump lightyears almost instantly using a mass effect relay and these are the human ships the humans in mass effect have much inferior technology compared to the other races because they are only new to….outer space…and are not trusted by the council yet
but this only includes their ships….the weapons that are far beyond halos are accesible to all that have the right permit
as for the suits they are basically the same for mcs except all but the very basic come with shield or in some cases up to 4x overshield by comparison
and even if the halos were activated it would still leave the geth and the reapers basically unharmed because they are all robotic
and their is also a relatively big difference with troop quality as well…most of the races in mass effect have access to biotic abilities which is as far as i can tell magic.
now considering mass effects weapons are more advanced than any from halos
and it took about 500 or so ships to defeat a single reaper…. and at the end of the game you see a small army of reapers i really doubt that even if the halos are activated they would still lose from the reapers and the huge amounts of geth
what about all the flood not to mention that their numbers would only grow and technology that the flood take could then be used against the mass effect people. and what about the forerunner technology That they have access to. halo has a lot more to offer than most people think and the flood are a lot stronger than you people are giving then credit for.
oh i almost forgot the shields in mass effect are weaker than the shields in halo and the spartans and elites are almost 10 times stronger then an average human.
Reapers own EVERYTHING. Okay? Okay? Ya here us now? The flood look like mice compard to the reapers. A single reaper would extinct the flood and the rings woudn’t affect them.
ok with the shields… they arent weaker its just the average weapons in mass effect are just that much stronger.
halo does have the strength advantage with the most part but shotguns will do more close range damage than a punch.
now the flood are a challenge….they are the scourge of the galaxy…but they will meet their match with the geth. geths numbers are always growing rapidly because they are made not born. and their technology couldnt be stolen because when they die they pretty much “blow up” everything that is inside of them
and the reapers are as old as time itself watching civilisations grow and then destroying them in a continuos cycle so not only do they have the strongest weapons out of both universes and are robotic so they cant be affected by halo rings….they have experience in battle from when time started
then their are the other races in mass effect like the turians which are the strategic minds, the krogans that just have massive numbers(on a universal scale) and are about as strong as an elite…and they live to fight, the asari which can manipulate the mass effect and turn it into a weapon for example they can use singularity which is basically where they point at a place and eveyone in range will become immobile and drawn to that point. the salarians which are the leaders in making the technology and are renowned for their abilities as spies….basically technicians, and humans just new to outer space and have been given basic technologies which they had advaced afterwards
oh their are the rachni which almost overthrew all of the races by themselves with their huge numbers and highly corrosive acid spit
halo is good but not good enough
yeah so halo basicialy puts up a good fight and kills everything put is killed by the reapers in the end. right
It depends on a lot of things…
1) The UNSC would have to fight on two fronts. The Alliance Military(Mass Effect), and the Covenant. However, if the AM and the UNSC got off to a good start, then the Covenant would have a tougher time fighting both of them.
2) The Covenant vs. The Reapers…
3) If the Stories played out as they do in the game. Commander Shepard(Mass Effect…for those of you who haven’t beat it) stopped the Reapers, and Master Chief and the Arbiter stopped Truth(defeated the Covenant)
4) If it is Post-Reapers, and Post-Covenant, then the AM would be defeated. The UNSC would have access to Covenant weaponry, the UNSC would have superior ground forces, Master Chief vs. Commander Shepard (the video after you beat halo on Legendary, Master Chief and Cortana are NOT dead!), and Shipmaster and the Arbiter would engage the AM’s ships. In this scenario, the AM is outgunned.
5) Reapers vs. Flood…
or
6) Alliance Military vs. Flood….even scaryer!!! (Imagine, Commander Shepard as a flood form…)
Ok, no. Just no. Halo can not win. It simply can not win. Mass effects shields are stronger, guns are better, and every solider is like a spartin. Also, at the end of mass effect, you do not stop the reapers. You stop a reaper, and only just barley with the better force of mass effects army. Now let’s imagine hundreds or even thousands of these monsters. Also, the shield worlds do not work in the way they were supposed to, why do you think the forerunners died? Finally, all wepones in mass effect are plasma based, which is supposed to kill a marine in one shot. The first encounter with mass effect would be like the first enconuter between convent and humans in halo, except any future engagments would be harder because the covent fought basically without moving except to get into fireing range, while mass effect ships would dodge shots, espically because they are quicker.
@gus
1. shepard never stopped the reapers he and the entire alliance military killed one reaper called sovereign
2. the standard of ground forces is much higher as with the technology and training capabilities in mass effect…hell in the first level you get 2 powerful allies…dont remember their names but the girl and guy.. and they are just standard military(the guy is an engineer i think and girl is soldier)
3. the tech in mass effect is comparable with covenant tech but the standard armour equipped by all the military is comparable to mcs.with shielding
4. you are also forgetting the other races that have militaries many of theirs have much better tech and biotic powers
the geth are like the flood of the mass effect universe but if they were to fight the geth would have one major advantage……they can increase their numbers while the flood cant use their bodies to multiply so geth beat flood eventually
@hitman8
halo universe wouldnt do that much damage to mass effect the standard military is better equipped and equally or better trained they would be able to do more if they all got shields and plasma weapons but each race has generally stuck to thier own weaponry…
the sides are about equal on each team in space combat but i think that mass effect have more(lots of races each with billions or in some cases trillions of soldiers)
i think halo will put in a good fight and mass effect will lose..lets say equal to halo they have many more to replace them and i think that the reapers alone would be able to if not kill than incapacitate almost all of the unsc covenant and flood
so i think mass effect wins
One thing that I think a lot of people are leaving out is the strength of the Covenant. If you read, “Halo: The Fall of Reach”, the Covenant’s ships are WAY overpowered, capable of incredible space combat, because of their advanced weaponry, and the sheer numbers of their ground forces are not to be underestimated easier. Also, this is a “universe fight”, not a “Factions” fight. Thus, you have the entirety of the Halo universe (not counting the forerunners and the precursors, leaving just the UNSC, the Covenant, and the Flood) fighting against the entirety of Mass Effect. Each Elite has been stated to be as strong (physically) as a Spartan-II, and even the Elites respect the Humans’ (individual soldiers) genius in strategy. And a single flood spore has been known to destroy an entire species. With the entire universe fighting against Mass Effect’s universe, I think that Halo would have a VERY good chance at beating Mass Effect.
The Flood is potentially the strongest biological weapon created. With a gravemind, they become organized and increasingly deadlier, capable of spreading from ship to ship, planet to planet, system to system, galaxy to galaxy. The Flood will take a host and alter it into something that, in one-on-one, could defeat the host or equivelent of the host. If a space marine was infected, you would have a super-flood.
Think about this……..
All the Halo factions have joined. They now could “weaponize” the Flood. All they have to do is breed some flood, make large enough canisters to contain a couple dozen flood each, go into orbit, and launch them down to the surface. They could destroy enemies and gain in numbers at the same time. Plus, one a large enough establishment is made, the Flood spores will be preduced, slowly but surely depriving any non-flood of oxygen, thus killing them or weakening them for further infection. Once a planet is taken, Halo can start harvesting flood there. The flood will also use the enemies weapons against them.
Sentinals were designed to kill flood, yet, when the numbers swell like they do, not even sentinals can stop them. What chance do you think beings that have never encountered anything remotly like a Flood will have when the numbers star to gain?
As said before, The factions will obviously come to th conclusion of using the shield worlds. The Sentinals and Flood could work togther and fire the rings.
One last thing. Could Mass Effect do any damage to a shield world once it i activated? Trillions of shields and firepower all added together that even SW ships would have trouble destroying.
Question for cyborg pirate ninja jesus,
How in the hell are the Mass Effect people like Spartans? Can they pick up a 3 ton vehicle and throw it across the room??
woah hi halo fanboys… i see that u both just jumped in and felt like repeating points that have already been made…
but enough about your ignorance…lets move on
i have already stated that the covenant tech is nearly equal to standard mass effect weaponry so your points there are invalid
and i noticed that the_man_with_the_answers brought up the halos….these will most likely be used by any faction in a time of dire need…which will come fairly soon…but their will be hesitation and fighting on when they should be used… and another point is…arent the halos only in the halo universe.. so really your main plan is too essentially blow up everything in halo universe and hope that mass effect have been ignorant enough to send their entire combined armies into an unknown area
oh and 2 really big threats in mass effect are the geth and the reapers.. the geths numbers are infinite because they are made not born and the reapers. these guys are so strong that it took the entire human alliance military to kill ONE!
and there are hundreds possibly thousands of these and now they are all aimed at halo…oh and heres the kicker….they are robots so halo will do as much as shooting the hulk with a rubber band
now for the flood…the geth are superior to them in weaponry.. they all share the same mind like the flood and their tech cant be stolen because they destroy everything inside of them after they die
and flood cant use them to fortify their numbers because they arent living
and for plagues heres wat will be sent at halo….they have the rachni these guys alone threatened to wipe out the entire mass effect universe until the council sent trillions and trillions of krogan to fight them.
the krogans while their numbers cannot be replaced they as i said before number in the trillions their strength is comparable to the brutes in halo
and the geth..possibly the strongest army halo will face. they have an almost unlimited supply of troops they are immune to disease are highly trained and resillient to attacks
ok now then for standard military…the standard weapons are a little bit stronger than standard covenant tech. and the standard of armour for even the most basic of troops is comparable to mcs and have masks that have filters built in to remove toxins from the air. which means after people have been infected and they realise its a biological weapon these will be mandatory cancelly out spore infection. lots of the standard troops have control over small portions of the mass effect which can be used as very powerful weapons against single opponents or small groups oh and all the soldiers are implanted with L3 genetic enhancements.
also with the shield worlds. im not familiar with them but do they do anything more than protect from the halo blast.
there are only 2 known shield worlds from what i can gather
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_World
so if they were used the remaining armies would be pathetic against trillions and trillions of robots with superior weaponry.
so in the end halo put up a good fight mass effect lose a couple plague races to the flood but in the end anihilate halo with the reapers and almost infinite amounts of geth
oh and i do hope that you two read the posts that have already been made before you repeat information
Thank you cyborg pirate ninja jesus…..for silencing some fanboys.
“the only thing that could match MC is Mars, the god of war. From what ive seen mass effect has gay creatures and mahines, and how is the tech better than halo3″
MasterChief is comparable to the God of War? I’m amazed such ignorance exists. It should be beaten out of you with a red hot poker…
Gus said: “Question for cyborg pirate ninja jesus,
How in the hell are the Mass Effect people like Spartans? Can they pick up a 3 ton vehicle and throw it across the room??”
Yes, yes they can, with their mind, from a good distance away. Aren’t biotics a kick in the nuts?
@PaleoTyrantus
anytime…..if i know what im talking about lol
@gus, even though originalA already answered the question. if you read carefully i didnt make a comparison with their strength but more with standard armour and shields… i know that with brute force spartans will vastly outmatch a regular soldiers brute force but this can be countered in many ways in combat……for example biotics which is basically the mass effect version of the “force”
and is a spartan comes close enough a shotgun blast will most likely do more damage than a punch…
Why would the Halo factions be hesitent? With the Forrunners vast knowledge on there own weapon and the protection against it ( Shield Worlds) it would be a quite logical choice. Also, since when are flood not capable of taking dead bodies? infection forms can easily use a dead body. if you want proof, go play Halo 3 and go to the level were you save cortana. You will see that they can not only re-encarnate dead elites, but also other dead forms, so long as they arn’t completly ripped to shreds.
The shield worlds are actually very powerful. A single beam from it is enough to completly vaporize covenant ships.
To figure out its power, take the range, damage, and shielding from a normal sentinal major, multiply it by two to compensate for the increased power of an Onyx sentinal, then multiply it by around 2-5 trillion, because that is around how many sentinals are combined to form a sheiled world. now add the fact that a new sentinal is created every 6 seconds. the fact that there are two of them is astounding. lets not even mention that the forrunners controlled multiple galaxies and had multiple rings in each.
about the “Halo rings only killing things in Halo” I almost broke out laughing at that one. it looks like you need to play halo 1-3 again. The Ark makes Halo rings. Obviously they can be transported wherever. Proof? The ring made at the Ark was a replacement for the One destroyed in the first game. All rings are stratigically placed, there for the replacement has to be in the same location. If the rings can’t be transported, they would all be piled together at the ark. I can’t wait for the book the Forunner Trilogy, to come out. It will clear up alot of things.
just one more thing. Once the rings are fired and the Factions return from the shield world, the trillion or so left behind machines will be severly out-numbered and could be crushed by the massive amounts of sentinals that would all be headed their way.
@the_man_with_the_answers
correct me if I am wrong, as I am not a big follower of the Halo story, but are the forerunners not extinct? If so, they could not use their knowledge of their own weapons and protection.
If you were to count them, then you would have to count the protheans aswell. And that means the protheans would know how to use their technology, and considering some of the mysterious prothean things in Mass Effect, can you still say Halo has a chance? The protheans had amazing things like the beacons, and probably alot of technology not even mentioned in the game.
And one Krogan battlemaster could wipe the floor with master chief – a powerful biotic, with shields like a walking tank and weaponry to match?
Please, as if a human named John with a machine gun could stand up to that.
And as mentioned before, Rachni, Reapers, Alliance military etc.
Plus, think about just the council alone. Asari matriachs, Asari commandos, Asari warships. Turian fleets, and Salarain technology?
Look at the military section of the Salarians on the Mass Effect wiki, and just see that the Salarians find out the enemy’s location, timetable and plans, not to mention then striking before their enemy.
They can tap through the extranet – as if they wouldn’t see an attack from the Halo universe coming?
Mass Effect would destroy Halo any day of the week.
@the_man_with The_Answers
yes i see your point about the trillions of sentinals being a threat
but in the end they are doomed if they try to fight a few reapers just due to the amount of damage that they can take and dish out by comparison
but eventually the people on the shield planets will be forced to leave because of depleted resorces
oh and i just played through mass effect again and it turns out that all of the mass effect weaponry shielding and logistic capabilities come from the reapers
the reapers also gave them to the protheans before they killed them for fun
so considering that the reapers now have to partially rely on the other races to survive the other races would then have access to full or almost full capabilities
of the reapers
and this is highly advanced technology created by things that were around at the begining of time
ok and to make a perfectly logical reason for why they would be hesitant
1. using the rings will turn pretty much every planet in the universe into desolate waste lands so even if the inhabitants arent directly effected by the blast the after-math would be devestating.
2. it would be very stupid to use a weapon of that power pretty much instantly when they have not learned of the capabilities of the opposition…..its like going to war and the first thing your side shot was a nuke
3. since the capabilities would be unknown by the time that they realised that they needed to be used it would be most likely too late due to the massive numbers lost the stratgic points lost by halo and won by mass effect
so really the shield worlds would only be a decent threat if for some reason someone was staioned on the arc or a halo and had been told to fire in case of a multiversal war.
and in the end the only real threat is the flood and that will eventually be wiped out
the shield world would send the sentinals but they will be quickly wiped out by the many trillions of soldiers stationed outside of the only halo inhabited worlds that will be working on how to disable its defenses
gtg ill be back later to prove you wrong to a further extent
So a couple of reapers could destroy Onyx? I think not. Th shield world itself can produce beams that vaporze covenant ships and have tremaendeous ranges. Nothing could get close enough. The shields must also tremendously powerful as well.
Depleated Rescources? HA!!! Read the epilogue of Ghosts of Onyx. The inside is the size of our solar system.
The Forunners owned multiple galaxies, each with their own rings and arks plus sheiled worlds. I doubt that they could be easily quelled.
I hope the new novel in 2010 “The Forrunner Trilogy” will clear things up. It will make Forunners a very valid part of Halo.
i dont recall saying that reapers would destroy onyx just the sentinals that come out from it
because remember it took an entire fleet of spaceships with superior technology to kill just one
and considering the reapers are just robots there is no reason that they cant be produced
as for the shields mass effect wouldnt take long to realise that they are too strong to breakthrough so they would try to find a way around them
and yes it can run out of resources remember it has a few races in there not just humans to a far greater number
and by using the shield worlds halo reduces there warfare capabilities in numbers
because they will be trapped there
halo just doesnt have the technology to compete here because if they rely on only the shield worlds they have already lost huge ground and can only attack from that direction.
well finally people have shutup about this mass effect wins….fp award for them
ADMIN!!!!!!!! give mass effect the fp already i won this thing like a billion years ago
I’ll second that Nom for Mass effect.
MASS EFFECT!!!!!!!1 the tec and wepons and fighters are FAR FAR FAR much better than the halo UINSC.
MASS EFFECT would win this by a landslide
Well of course Mass Effect wins! Compare the two universes, Mass Effects is FAR more larger than Halo’s. And the technology, Mass Effect is like 20,000 years advanced than Halo! This is an unfair match up!! Halo is in 26th centuray while Mass Effect is like 260th!
Whats the point haveing this debut when Mass Effect would probably win..!
@crackshot
actually halo is further along in time than mass effect
mass effect get their weapons from the reapers
when it come to combat mass effect has the ultimate edge infinite ammo! every gun every soldier infinite ammo, all weapons use a block of dense metal and a cumputer to shave off slugs and fire them with mass effect fields. im pretty sure bullets have no effect on mass effect shields, and mass effect characters carry 4 fold up guns givin them a well rounded arsenal.
@admin
anytime you want to give mass effect the fp award would be good…..preferably now
*Halo is in 26th centuray while Mass Effect is like 260th! *
Halo are 26th centuary and mass effect are 24th. Mass effect are more advanced and are earlier.
Actually those who think ME would win are wrong. ME dreadnoughts main guns only fire with the power of 38 kilotons! The range and speed of MEs guns in space are also much weaker and they only have shields that deflect projectiles not plasma or anything else.
Also they are reliant on Mass Effect Relays for FTL leading to the Halo verse easily pinpointing and striking around those thanks to slipspace.
Also despite ME having greater tech on the ground as i said above the Halo verse has greater power in space thanks to the covenant and astonishingly enough the UNSC.
If the flood is still around the ME universe has nothing that could slow the flood down once they reach a planet and infest large numbers of citadel troops.
I am not being a fanboy. Far from it. But, i if the MEs dreadnoughts only have 38kiloton abilities then a regular MAC round makes those look like little bugs. One or 2 MAC rounds would probably gut any Reaper ships they hit due to the sheer force.
The ME has the advantage on the ground thanks to the tech, but in space they’ll be owned.
Mass Effect wins because of one thing: The Reapers. The old machines would rape anything in the Halo universe, one reaper nearly destroyed the citadel, imagine what a million of them could do? Mass Effect wins.
@prime chaos
yes even though the ships in halo are better than the ones in ME
me has many races with a whole universe to call upon.
and the fighters that come with all of them.
so while me will lose the initial space battles, once they have taken enough ground halo wont be able to replenish their ships
so while they are stronger they arent able to compete with the spamming that me is able to deliver thanks to superior ground forces.
and flood…meet geth……try assimilating the body of a robot who’s inside blow up after it dies.
oh another thing with the ships.. some of the alliance ships are equipped with weapons that manipulate space and time so while the big cannon wont be particularly effective they probably will……although i think that weapon is still experimental
How effective would incendiary ammo be against the flood?
@prime chaos actually
they dont need the relays for FTL, only for long range instant travel, no doubt halo ships are faster but ME can go FTL without the relays.
also the shielding of mass effect works fine on plasma and particle weaponry. in addition the shielding of ME ships has gotten a major overhaul. they dont use static shields anymore, the use shifting mass effect fields to deflect projectiles. imagine trying to throw a ball as deep into the water as possible, and you want it to land on the target at the bottom, but the waters has raging currents from every direction and random angles. what happens? either by the time the ball gets through the currents its far off course or it just flows in the current. point being that most things shot at mass effect ships will be smacked away, or detonated on the surface of the mass effect field.
ME weapons could do more damage but whats the point. their weapons are presice, made to surgically dismember enemy ships. the main point of ME ships weapons is to bore the projectile through armor, that 38 kiloton round is headed straight for reactor cores at 1.3percent of the speed of light. ME also has a particle accelerator that fires a beam of molten gel at a fraction of light speed to slice apart enemy ships. or take off parts of bore through the armor. even on a small ship such as the normandy SR2 the weapon is shown to be able to destroy a collector ship which is 10-15 times the size of normandy. and thats not even what the weapons for.
mass effect wont win the space half of this war but they will do a whole lot better then alot of you think they will.
@beli
very effective remember the flamethrower eats floods for breakfast.
Next question, what’s preventing ME from upscaling the distruptor ammo to starship grade weapons?
nothing, probably heat generation which is the main factor in everything. if they could find a way to manage heat ME could pwn every universe.
So…are we forgetting about the covenant and their powerful and massive spceships ?
Next question, considering that a plasma torpedo has mass, but primarily deals damage via heat, is it resisted by the kinetic shields or the ablative armor?
Actually… Mass Effect fires kilotons at most I think, Halo Covenant ships fire very low teratons, this is a massive difference, add in the ME Council fleet is a few more than hundred, it wouldn’t last against the standard fleet of hundreds from Covenant.
Are we forgetting the current status of the Covenant?
I’ve only toyed around with infiltrator class on Mass Effect 2. Haven’t played many of the Halo installments though.
So I’ll throw my vote to ME2 because of previous evidence given by some people. Necessary ammo types, biotics, etc. etc.
And blue tits.
8)
Sorry jumping in here but the main cannon of a dreadnought from the ME universe can fire one of those projectiles that impact with 38 kiloton blasts 30 times a minute, ie they deliver 1140 kilotons worth of energy every minute. That’s over 1 megaton. Although the separate races dreadnoughts are never actually compared it’s likely that humans have the weakest dreadnoughts. So in theory the other races dreadnoughts could have a greater damage output. If this is the case the Mass Effect universe wouldn’t even need the Reapers.
And anyway, the number of reapers present at the end of ME2 is substantial enough to roll over the Haloverse in its entirety.
@ Beli
I’d have to guess that since the kinetic shield seems to be designed for interaction with bodies of mass and appears to be of only limited use when tested against heat based weaponry, ie collector weaponry. Therefore my conjecture would be that the heat damage from a plasma torpedo would be dealt with by the ablative armour. Probably via some form of heat dissipation network, ie a superconducting grid, that would disperse the heat across a greater area. However, having seen the effect of the collector ship’s weapon on the SR-1 I find it hard to estimate the effectiveness of the dissipation system used but seeing as how most space combat in Mass Effect is fought using kinetic weapons then there hasn’t really been any need for anti energy shields. However in Mass Effect 2 we see the introduction of, and an increase in use of, energy weapons. This suggests that the militaries have realised that Reapers are expecting them to be using mainly kinetic offensive/defensive systems and are moving towards a mix of kinetic and energy based systems in preparation.
Sorry for double post, but it’s never actually stated that dreadnoughts are limited to firing a 20 kg projectile, they may actually be able to fire heavier. If they could then fire a heavier projectile while still being able to launch it at the same speed as the 20 kg projectile then the damage output would be even higher.
@ orpheus
no i am not, but their powerful ships are impressive, detonating 38kiloton bombs in the reactors should take em out nicely. Halo3 proved that if the reactor goes unstable the whole ship is boom. and it just so happens that mass effect ships only aim for critical damage and they are extremely accurate.
but still im not saying theyd win in space just be adequete.
actually ill give ME a chance at winning in space combat, since this is a universe match the terminus systems are involved, so there will be armies of bandits criminals and mercs using the board and seize tactic against halo ships.and we know halo fails at ground war against against ME.
@Sergey
actually there is a conversation between gunnary chief and private that occur on the citadel where they talk about 38 kiloton slugs. im not even sure if thats the biggest they fire. and it doesnt matter how much powerful the weaponry the covenant fire unless its a sustained beam its gonna be smacked away. not to mention that ME use alot of cyber warefare. if unsc ships get in range they can be hacked, and give the salarians some covey tech and theyll have it figured out in days to a week.
“add in the ME Council fleet is a few more than hundred, it wouldn’t last against the standard fleet of hundreds from Covenant.”
keyword the “councils fleet” the small little fraction of resources put aside to protect some politicians. there are 8-9 races each with 2-5 planets or colonies all with massive fleets..
@Beli
Plasma does not bypass kinetic barriers, only lasers bypass, even energy is guarded against by KBs. and unless covenant plasma sticks and burns at 1200C its not gonna melt the abralative armor.
@kennyC
“Are we forgetting the current status of the Covenant?”
you mean the broken shell of the covenant? not at all thats why im giving mass effect more and more of a chance.
@Jimmie_Rox
Actually, it’s a trick question.
Since Plasma has mass, it’s subject to the kinetic barriers. It’s density isn’t much so a covenant ship might be able to force the blast through, assuming that the distance isn’t so great that leverage is far too much in the ME ship’s favor. Still, the conflicting forces could force some of the plasma out of the magnetics.
The ablative armour would resist a hit fairly well. The layers would sublimate off, but that’s what they’re supposed to do. as it stands, It’s going to take awhile to work through he multiple layers and intermitent baffles.
@ Beli
My logic behind the penetration of the plasma through the kinetic barrier was that the kinetic barriers only seem to stop bodies travelling with a high enough degree of momentum, in a manner similar to the way the shields in the Dune universe work. My basis for this was the fact that Shepard can breath air from the surrounding atmosphere with his shield up. This suggests that the plasma, having a density similar to gas, would probably bypass the kinetic barrier. However a magnetic field would probably be able to contain it with ease.
Other than the major outliers, such as the Reapers and Forerunners, I can quite honestly say that in any other conventional scenario, the UNSC alone would be more than a match for the Systems Alliance; since even a UNSC Frigate is ton for ton, superior to even the Dreadnoughts seen at the Citadel.
To include the Covenant would simply be a curbstomp on a scale never before seen.
“To include the Covenant would simply be a curbstomp on a scale never before seen.”
I disagree. Daleks vs the United Federation of Planets was on a ridiculous scale. Especially when Trekkies actually argued it.
“I disagree. Daleks vs the United Federation of Planets was on a ridiculous scale. Especially when Trekkies actually argued it.”
Yeah, but they’ll argue that the Federation could stand up to the Culture or the Xeelee of all things in a conventional slugging match, it stands to reason that their wank knows no known bounds.
….i really wanted a Systems Alliance Vs UNCS match
with a certain amount of forces for each to try and take over a 20 planet system
with temporary base building capabilitys and the planets have the resources for permanant base building i think i put a request in for it 8( makes me sad
anyways i agree with L-W for the moment mostly because i dont know the capabilitys of the reapers hell for all i know they could be a race of bugs that wanna feel macho and pretend to be machines
Yes, ME loses in space, horribly, it’s weapons more of a match for the kiloton level Yamato cannons from Starcraft.
I had no idea L-W hated Star Trek wankers as much as me, and I have a whole thread where a Trektard argued the FoP could beat the Culture, I could show it to you.
Please do, I would be interested in hearing the arguments that support his case.
www.starfleetjedi.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=678&sid=c10f2e6e86b1632fa264954e22df1203
Just think for a second, are you ready to kill brain cells? If so, proceed.
The only real ST advantage is that time travel is possible there, which won’t save them because the Feds don’t have time travel until 100 years after Picard and Janeway.
Early Federation time travel is at best, limited to two to three hundred years of travel per leap; the most they’ll achieve is to catch a slightly younger yet still technologically superior by tens of thousands of years Culture off guard.
There are dumbasses suggesting Borg have better time travel capabilities than Daleks! Even though the ONLY time they time traveled was through a super phenomena or whatever you’d call it. Idiots like that prove how degenerate humanity is.
@ Jimmie_Rox
That’s actually a safety feature that allows someone to interact with the world normally. The shield only triggers if incoming projectiles are above a certain speed. That being said, whose to say that you can’t set the shield to react to anything above a certain tempurature.
This, ofcourse assumes that a plasma blast is actually below the minimum threshold for the kinetic barriers to activate.
Why are we assuming that Kinetic Barriers have an infinite resistance to any and all mass based projectiles, regardless of momentum or the energy released on contact?
Considering that Covenant plasma torpedoes are in the double digit gigatons on average, I sincerely doubt any Systems Alliance vessel would have the capacitors to deal with that much heat.
@L-W
The heat is not in question here. What is is the ability of a covenant ship to push it. As the distance between the firing ship and the plasma torpedo increases, leverage falls overwhelmingly in the defending ships favor, the strength of the magnetic lenses determined by (power)/(distance^2).
At long ranges, gravity wins out over magnetic forces.
I thought the shields were up constantly, as the projectiles in ME move at a fast enough velocity that a conventional computer with a tracking system wouldn’t be able to detect the projectile, process the information and activate the shield in sufficient time to prevent the impact.
@Jiimmie Rox
If that was the case, then simple things like taking cover, picking up objects, and reloading would be neigh impossible.