Another post suggestion. I played Metal Gear 2 for NES and thought it was a decent game. Never thought too much of it and then I kept on seeing more coverage about the upcoming Metal Gear 4, and with a great fanbase, I think this makes for a great vs battle.
So, here goes:
Master Chief:
- Various weapon skills
- Regenerating Shields
- Multiple Vehicle selection
- Lone Wolf Mentality
- Super Cool Armor
Solid Snake:
- Excellent hand to hand combat skills
- Weapon Mastery
- Communication Expert
- Stealth
- Quick thinking
So, to celebrate Halo 3′s release and Guns of the Patriots upcoming release, who comes out on top in a one-vs-one battle?
First!
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I reckon so. Though with a rematch theres a chance a Master Chief supporter will notice it and bring up valid arguments.
A Master Chief supporter that isn’t that guy on the Chief vs Spiderman thread. Someone like Canatra, Nacho or Reaper.
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Add me in to the tally for the rematch here.
Meh I am satisfied with the data presented. Snake has proven to be the superior in my opinion.
“5. All FactPile Awards are final and cannot be challenged or over-turned. (This rule took effect 1.22.2012)” – admin
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too bad so sad snaketards.
Yep, that makes absolutely perfect sense. We’ll just let every poorly debated match go on for eternity as-is. That looks REALLY good for new guys to the site.
Maybe he wants them to just sink out of view rather then being resurrected?
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Mind you, in this instance I do feel the award is correct.
Yeah, they’re definitely going to sink away and out of view….
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www.tektonics.org/lp/sarcasm.jpg
“too bad so sad snaketards”
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Awesome, so we get the bullshit award to stay! Oh well, at least Dante vs Alucard is safe from being overturned in that case.
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“Mind you, in this instance I do feel the award is correct.”
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If it was won through proper debating and not wanking from Just A Gamer and L-W, sure, it’d be correct. Since it wasn’t won that way, no dice.
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“Yeah, they’re definitely going to sink away and out of view….”
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You know it.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Count me in on the aid for the rematch, alright?
oh he mad
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but anyway I think MC should keep his award
Well Lightning, heres the thread to debate in if you so choose, there may be an award already, but the general consensus is clearly towards Snake. If you think Master Chief can win… then debate…
I’ll once more ask you if you want to debate this Lightning…
@Zomb
Whoops, didn’t see your comment, sorry.
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What battlefield? What equipment? What sort of battle? I need to ask cos I don’t know what happened here.
Standard loadouts for both, i dunno the battlefield
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Snake’s Standard loadout: Railgun, octocamo, facecamo, grenade launcher, M4, Operator, MG MkIII, drum, solid eye, Stun Knife, I can go on, but that’s all I think is relevant.
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Master Chief’s: MJOLNIR, MA5C or BR55, M7 Caseless SMG, M6D, Knife, two frag grenades I think(not sure about that)
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Oh, I forgot one of Snake’s signature things, his infinite ammo bandana.
Why the hell did Snake even lose? Unless its a stealth or HTH battle, the FP award should be taken down.
“Why the hell did Snake even lose? Unless its a stealth or HTH battle, the FP award should be taken down.”
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HALO WINZORZ FANBOYZ!!!!! Also, FP awards can no longer be taken down, so the only hope is a rematch, which at this point I’m not holding my breath for.
Snake sees MC on the field, guns the hell out of him, only to see it was only MC’s armor.
MC was actually hiding somewhere else, and was having the armor stand on it’s own as a distraction.
He proceeds to nail Snake with a knife, but never saw the cardboard box coming his way…
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Thus, I’m leaving this open so as not to get dragged into something I have no idea about.
“I’m not holding my breath for.”
Then pay for it.
“Then pay for it.”
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I would if I had a way of paying with cash, I don’t do credit cards. Don’t like to be able to be traced.
rematch…
Snake has Unlimited Ammo, how does Chief have that?
“Master Chief’s: MJOLNIR, MA5C or BR55, M7 Caseless SMG, M6D, Knife, two frag grenades I think(not sure about that)”
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meh
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factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1325&start=10
The most logical set up for Chief would be as follows:
1 MA5C Assault Rifle (Actually, maybe the MA2B rifle. Besides Halo: CE and Halo 3, SPARTAN-IIs always chose the MA2B for their assault rifle)
1 BR55 Battle Rifle (Depending on the situation, it could be exchanged for the Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, or Rocket Launcher)
1 M7 Caseless SMG
1 “Upsized” M6D Pistol (Upsized is the model of pistol made for SPARTANs)
1 UNSC Combat Knife (SPARTANs have been shown to carry knives with them)
4 Frag Grenades (Master Chief’s MJOLNIR Mark VI suit has a total of 8 grenade holding points, which I assume can also be used for other equipment aswell)
1 LOTUS Anti-Tank Mine (SPARTANs are normally always equipped with some sort of explosive charge, whether it be LOTUS, a satchel of C-12 Explosive, or a tactical nuke)
MJOLNIR Mark VI (Most current armor that Master Chief kindof even owns)
Military Specialized UNSC “Dumb” AI (Since Chief’s suit is desigend specifically to operate with an AI, and “smart” AIs are considered more along the lines as characters, a “dumb” AI should be acceptable)
No rematch, MC wins fare and square, snake just wasn’t enough of a supersoldier to take on 26th centuries best supersoldier.
“No rematch, MC wins fare and square, snake just wasn’t enough of a supersoldier to take on 26th centuries best supersoldier.”
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Dead match is dead. Chances are someone’s probably already suggested a rematch or they just forgot.
Fair and square pfft please, I already gave more than enough reasons why Snake could beat Master Chief. You can feel free to read through the debate because I don’t feel like explaining it over again.
“Dead match is dead. Chances are someone’s probably already suggested a rematch or they just forgot.”
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I’ve suggested a rematch.
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Anyways, this match was clearly awarded to the losing party.
“I’ve suggested a rematch.”
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Same thing as before or are you going with the setup TMWTA suggested for MC to match Snake.
I don’t really see Admin doing an exact repeat of a match.
“No rematch, MC wins fare and square, snake just wasn’t enough of a supersoldier to take on 26th centuries best supersoldier.”
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^this
Rematches is not up for you to decide.
“I don’t really see Admin doing an exact repeat of a match.”
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Conan vs Xena would like to have a word with you
“Same thing as before or are you going with the setup TMWTA suggested for MC to match Snake.
I don’t really see Admin doing an exact repeat of a match.”
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Conan… Xena… srsly…
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Anyways, why would I give the guy who Snake lost to originally any sort of advantage in the rematch? That is pretty up there in the list of retarded things to do, Right under try using fire ants as toilet paper, and right above elephant fellatio. Besides, if you change it, it’s not a rematch anymore, now is it?
“Conan… Xena… srsly…”
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Forgot about Factpile classic and it’s oddities.
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“Besides, if you change it, it’s not a rematch anymore, now is it?”
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True.
I think everything is juts about covered here, and all the people that see snake winning either only see it in their head because I’m a fan of MGS more than Halo but I’m also a fair person and by logic I see MC winning.
So a rematch will just be the same as the match before in this case.
Did you read the last seven or so pages of this thread? They’re both very even in their specialties but Snake’s weapons and stealth will outmatch Chief enough for him to win outside of in a direct fight.
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That’s why the rematch is so demanded. It needs to be re-debated without MC fantardism and equal representations for both characters.
QFT
@StealthRanger
lol and what was it you were stating about rematches
Difference is that this match was poorly debated and the award was unjustly given. Unlike Dante vs Kratos where the award was rightfully given to Dante
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And that an award was asked for a long ass time before the new FP Award policy
@StealthRanger
i gotta do that math….
yeah
I just see MC way to enhance for snake, he is close to being as good as Raiden from MGS4, MC with no doubt could jump on top of a gecko and punch a hole with his super strength and have the durability and reflexes that surpasses Snake in every aspect, the only thing snake has above MC is camouflage and there is no way snake can beat MC in CQC nor sneak around him at close distance, Snake can hide all he wan’t but MC will still notice him do to enhanced senses.
Hell, make the match yourself, for example give snake all of MC enhancements and his MK4 armor and think how will the game be, a hell of a lot easier, and snake wouldn’t get his ass kicked by liquid nor any boss out there, same way MC is a better marksman, a better CQC fighter than and better for all out war combat.
Trust me I played MGS 1,2,3,4 and Halo 1,2,3 and some of the books, the only way people think they are even just because someone said “C4 and win” is either they don’t take MC abilities into consideration, he is no grunt, he can perform the same ways as snake and even better, so don’t think making a rematch and posting some new details will definitely give Snake the FP award just like that without expecting any defense in MC favor.
And I know many people don’t like MC, and some like Snake or both things, but this isn’t the way to debate.
Why not wait for Halo 4 to come out and then make a rematch (chances are he gets better,lol).
And this award was rightfully given to MC, but if you think is not, and a rematch is made, lol, MC will have 2 awards from Snake.
Take my warning, this won’t end any better, and you will remember this comment when the day MC gets it again.
Also, please, try to get along with other peoples point of view when it comes for debates.
” I do parkour it’s fun”
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yeah more like this you pudgy fuck www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH7XaZvidvw&feature=fvwrel
“the setup TMWTA suggested for MC to match Snake.”
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Not so much a rematch. More of a designated standard loadout that still has some flexibility.
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“I’m a fan of MGS more than Halo but I’m also a fair person and by logic I see MC winning.
So”
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And I’m a huge Halo fan that has read each Halo book 4 times (on average). Snake has hammer-space and some jacked up railgun, plus some sort of dodge feat or whatever. Snake wins, Chief loses.
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“super strength and have the durability and reflexes that surpasses Snake in every aspect,”
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Strength and durability? Yeah, that goes to Chief. But for reflexes? I’m pretty sure Snake has some sort of crazy dodge feat that was already mentioned here (or maybe that was just on the Topia).
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“the only thing snake has above MC is camouflage and there is no way snake can beat MC in CQC nor sneak around him at close distance, Snake can hide all he wan’t but MC will still notice him do to enhanced senses.”
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You forget hammer-space, some crazy-ass railgun, and some crazy dodge feat. Cheif probably stands a far greater chance in CQB though. Not that that matters when a stealthed opponent has a 20MJ(?) Railgun.
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“Trust me I played MGS 1,2,3,4 and Halo 1,2,3 and some of the books,”
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Cool story bro. I’ve played Halo: CE, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, Halo Reach, and Halo:CEA. I’ve read Halo:TFoR (4 times), Halo:TF (4 times), Halo:FS (4 times), Halo:GoO (4 times), Halo:CH (4 times), Halo:TCP (2 times), Halo: Evolutions (2 times), Halo: Cryptum (1 time), Halo: Primordium (1 time), Halo:Glasslands (1 time), and blah, blah, graphic novels/comics/Halo Legends/ Halo Encyclopedia, blah.
I’m probably one of the foremost experts of Halo on this site, maybe even thee foremost expert on Master Chief. Your petty experience means jack to me. Snake wins, and I don’t even have any special disposition towards him.
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” Why not wait for Halo 4 to come out and then make a rematch (chances are he gets better,lol).”
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Halo 4 will probably make the current award valid, no need for a rematch.
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“Also, please, try to get along with other peoples point of view when it comes for debates.”
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I have, and Snake wins. This is also pretty hypocritical, as I doubt you read the 16 or so prior pages.
I don’t care what you played, this isn’t a debate of who knows more and I just stated the games I played and what I know of them, but by what you said then you seem to know exactly 100% of both series………. man at least I stated I played something but you seem to straight out say you have played everything and read everything? I wont take you serious, you can say all those things about Snake, from weapons and skills, I can see MC outclassing him in any situation by the looks of it, the difference is a non-enhanced best soldier in the world (Snake) vs an enhanced best super-soldier of many worlds.
MC feats speak for themselves, Snake can have all those weapons but MC got some above the scale in technology equipment and durability plus feats of him taking out countless enemies in cloak (and don’t pull the “ah the energy sword cloak stupid elites” because it’s game-play mechanics) all the way from H2H a bunch of oversize aliens that wield hammer that control gravity.
Snake is a hell of a good soldier that infiltrated the most technological bases and defeated a hell of a lot of enemies, plus enhanced soldiers and many tanks and metal gears (a one man army).
Guess what, MC is a one man army in a bigger scale and deadlier scale future compare to MGS, at best, Snake ranks up to the best ODST know to walk on Halo but still not as good as MC.
And save it for the rematch (wish won’t happen), Because I will no longer debate if the FP award has being given and I have no reason to because I think it’s fair, so waist your time.
“non-enhanced best soldier in the world (Snake) vs an enhanced best super-soldier of many worlds.”
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Actually Snake iirc is somewhat enhanced. That or he’s going by comic version of “peak human” because I’ve seen him dodge a bullet before.
@OMEGAMI
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You keep talking about skills but you consistently ignore the weapons Snake had at his disposal. Namely the rail gun, one shot is enough for him to win the match.
Aim dodge as many Spartans can do easily all the time and MC is the best (with some exceptions), and Snake also get’s shot in cut-scenes often and a Spartan can take those with no problem.
And I know he is enhanced but not like a Spartan enhanced.
And I know Snake can take MC, I juts can’t see him winning most fights and encounters against MC if we put up lots of rounds and scenarios, Chief would gain a higher kill/death ratio compared to snakes, but I don’t deny Snake taking out MC form afar.
“Aim dodge as many Spartans can do easily all the time and MC is the best (with some exceptions), and Snake also get’s shot in cut-scenes often and a Spartan can take those with no problem.”
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He wouldn’t even know where Snake was. He is a master of stealth remember?
“Namely the rail gun, one shot is enough for him to win the match.”
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It does have a bit of a charge up time for that though. But I guess were assuming that this fight starts a good distance away outside of Chief’s radar range so that probably won’t matter.
And what makes you think MC will stay still for him to hit him, MC is capable enough (If not even more capable) of handling the Rail Gun just the same way Snake handled it the first time, his not gonna stay there, his gonna be moving and taking cover from open places to avoid sniper fire as any regular grunt soldier would do, and a Spartan knows this very well.
A spartan is a fast thinker capable of figuring calculations far beyond the human can in a matter of seconds, he could easily notice his position after being reviled and use a pistol take him out 8yes they are very precised marksman).
I like MC basically because I like to say his like Snake’s incarnation in the future, but with enhanced features, hell they even have the same bloody luck that saves them all the time.
@Sorrow
I agree that a rematch must be given, but at least for both sides we now have rational fans to debate the match with, right?
“And what makes you think MC will stay still for him to hit him, MC is capable enough (If not even more capable) of handling the Rail Gun just the same way Snake handled it the first time, his not gonna stay there, his gonna be moving and taking cover from open places to avoid sniper fire as any regular grunt soldier would do, and a Spartan knows this very well.”
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There have never been any feats displaying MC dodging a hypersonic round. And let’s not forget all the traps that Snake will set up. Claymores, C4, dynamite, etc.
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Snake can easily keep MC pinned down. None of his weapons have enough range to be a real threat to Snake. And lest we forget that Snake also has a Javelin Missle Launcher at his disposal. It can lock onto MC’s heat signature and it is much too fast for him to dodge.
“@Sorrow
I agree that a rematch must be given, but at least for both sides we now have rational fans to debate the match with, right?”
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It could’ve been worse yes.
“wont take you serious, you can say all those things about Snake, from weapons and skills, I can see MC outclassing him in any situation by the looks of it, the difference is a non-enhanced best soldier in the world (Snake) vs an enhanced best super-soldier of many worlds.”
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Old argument is old. Words and dreams are nice and all but how about you debate Chief’s ability to win over Snake as a start?
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“MC feats speak for themselves, Snake can have all those weapons but MC got some above the scale in technology equipment and durability plus feats of him taking out countless enemies in cloak (and don’t pull the “ah the energy sword cloak stupid elites” because it’s game-play mechanics) all the way from H2H a bunch of oversize aliens that wield hammer that control gravity.”
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His standard gear leaves him with nothing spectacular and most of the weapons he’s issued are on average equal to the ones we have today. Durability that won’t survive the railgun shot is meaningless.
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As for the cloaked enemies, Snake’s camo is superior as it doesn’t leave any sort of ripple effect like Halo Stealth Camo does. He matches the environment nigh perfectly in most cases, from head to toe.
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“Actually Snake iirc is somewhat enhanced. That or he’s going by comic version of “peak human” because I’ve seen him dodge a bullet before.”
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Comic book peak human standard sounds about right.
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“Aim dodge as many Spartans can do easily all the time and MC is the best (with some exceptions), and Snake also get’s shot in cut-scenes often and a Spartan can take those with no problem.”
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Snake’s kinda good at stealth… Ya know?
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“And I know he is enhanced but not like a Spartan enhanced.”
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So? Snake’s defeated opponents superior to Master Chief just fine before without enhancements.
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“And I know Snake can take MC, I juts can’t see him winning most fights and encounters against MC if we put up lots of rounds and scenarios, Chief would gain a higher kill/death ratio compared to snakes, but I don’t deny Snake taking out MC form afar.”
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Chief only wins up close and in a direct fire fight.
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“It does have a bit of a charge up time for that though. But I guess were assuming that this fight starts a good distance away outside of Chief’s radar range so that probably won’t matter.”
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Snake also has the Javelin which could be of use against Chief considering it takes out tanks. Then there’s the Stinger, M82 and chaff grenades.
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“And what makes you think MC will stay still for him to hit him, MC is capable enough (If not even more capable) of handling the Rail Gun just the same way Snake handled it the first time, his not gonna stay there, his gonna be moving and taking cover from open places to avoid sniper fire as any regular grunt soldier would do, and a Spartan knows this very well.”
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If he survives the first shot…
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“A spartan is a fast thinker capable of figuring calculations far beyond the human can in a matter of seconds, he could easily notice his position after being reviled and use a pistol take him out 8yes they are very precised marksman).”
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He’s going to see Snake how? His suit blocks thermal so that won’t do Chief any good against a stealth master whose an expert marksman as well.
@Sorrow
I count OMEGAMI as one of the most rational backers for Chief we’d be able to find that I know, in particular.
Guys stop trolling this thread and just let it die
Awards can’t be undone. Just fucking give up.
“Guys stop trolling this thread and just let it die”
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You clearly don’t know what trolling means.
“Awards can’t be undone. Just fucking give up.”
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If someone says MC can beat Snake, you will be sure to know that I will be their to prove them wrong.
“You clearly don’t know what trolling means.”
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im pretty sure its what you’re doing
Just statin’ facts.
“I’m pretty sure its what you’re doing”
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Your opinions hold little meaning to most people.
“I don’t care what you played, this isn’t a debate of who knows more and I just stated the games I played and what I know of them, but by what you said then you seem to know exactly 100% of both series………”
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I never said anything about MGS. I know very little about that. I would say, however, that I know something like 90%+ of Halo, however the hell you are supposed to figure that out. By all means I should be insanely bias towards Chief, especially with my favoratism towrads him, but with the evidence brought up on Snake’s side, Chief isn’t going to win.
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“man at least I stated I played something but you seem to straight out say you have played everything and read everything? I wont take you serious, ”
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So you think it is impossible to play every Halo game and read every Halo book? You’ve got to be joking. Normally I’M the one who is nice and considerate to new members, even trolls, to the point of argueing that some should be treated better (Even for AmericanBadger, Sorrow can vouche for me their).. You, however, are quickly losing my patience.
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“Aim dodge as many Spartans can do easily all the time and MC is the best ”
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It’s hard to aim-dodge a Railgun round when you aren’t even aware of its presence. Unless Chief is omniscient of course…..
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“His standard gear leaves him with nothing spectacular and most of the weapons he’s issued are on average equal to the ones we have today. Durability that won’t survive the railgun shot is meaningless. ”
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My loadout gives some decent weaponry/equipment.
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“Chief only wins up close and in a direct fire fight.”
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Basically.
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This match and Link vs Kratos needs rematch !
“Your opinions hold little meaning to most people.”
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and who you spose to be? the voice of the people? learn to speak for yourself
“Just statin’ facts.”
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And I just don’t care. I see no reason why a poorly given FP award shouldn’t be taken down. If that fails then a rematch would suffice.
For the hundereth time, Link vs Kratos doesn’t need a rematch.
“If someone says MC can beat Snake, you will be sure to know that I will be their to prove them wrong.”
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I see…..
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MC can beat Snake……………………………….
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(In a straight up fight)
@Chuck
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It’s an observation and I am surprised you haven’t caught on yet.
“For the hundereth time, Link vs Kratos doesn’t need a rematch.”
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If so then there is no reason to do rematch for this match as well.
In a straight up fight yeah I think it would go to MC, but luckily that’s not Snake is known for doing.
“In a straight up fight yeah I think it would go to MC, but luckily that’s not Snake is known for doing.”
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Exactly…..
Ahem…everybody for the Snake win through his version of splazer? Say Aye!
Aye.
Otherwise you can say all you want about traps and the like but I’m sure Answers here could come up with a compelling arguement as to why that wouldn’t work.
‘cept for maybe the camo/heat shielding but there’s always MOTION TRACKING!!!
Sincerely,
The Amatuer who really shouldn’t be one after being here for 2+ years.
“Otherwise you can say all you want about traps and the like but I’m sure Answers here could come up with a compelling arguement as to why that wouldn’t work.
‘cept for maybe the camo/heat shielding but there’s always MOTION TRACKING!!!
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Sincerely,
The Amatuer who really shouldn’t be one after being here for 2+ years.”
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Hey, thanks for being a dick, because I;m actually on Snake’s side here. But, hey, whatever. Despite the general assumption that people take things to heart, I don’t.
@T.C
Care to get back on the P.M so we can speak with Corpsman Dualgunner and Admiral G.A1911 further about those plans?
I know, but I did assume you could even the scale here assuming that MC was being neglected in a sense. I have the main trilogy to work with for book filled feat digging but alas I have not the memory between my John Carter and Wheel of Time. (Two favorite series ever btw).
Geez, people act like a rematch would be a bad thing. It’d give us a decent debate to work with depending on how the rematch is given and considering it’d be a fair match for both of them.
I’d love to throw my inneffectual and ungrounded two cents in where available. Sometimes I may even provide QUOTES!!
@T.C
Seriously by all means, are you back at the topia, yet?
We need to know if we got your backing to suggest that fight, and do not utter the name of the fight I meant(for it’d be akin to talking about a Fight club if you do) please?
“Snake also has the Javelin which could be of use against Chief considering it takes out tanks. Then there’s the Stinger, M82 and chaff grenades.”
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The missile launchers require him to move to get a lock on and the grenades would require him to be a lot closer. In either of those cases Snake would be giving up his advantage of stealth, pointing himself out either to MC’s vision or motion sensor. Also…..Adam Jensen solos!
“The missile launchers require him to move to get a lock on and the grenades would require him to be a lot closer.”
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The grenades can be chucked from a hidden position and that could jam Chief’s sensors a bit. Snake could maneuver away or go for the kill that way.
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The missile launcher could give him up to the motion sensor but I suppose it all depends on the range in this case.
Javelin uses infrared imaging to find it’s target. Why would Master Chief need to be moving?
“The missile launcher could give him up to the motion sensor but I suppose it all depends on the range in this case.”
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The Javelin has a minimum range of 75 meters and a max of 2500m.
True, true. But if 343 screws up Halo with Halo 4 MC might get some sort of extra maneuverability or some such aspect for this fight.
“True, true. But if 343 screws up Halo with Halo 4 MC might get some sort of extra maneuverability or some such aspect for this fight.”
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The Javelin is designed to take down Helicopters, what makes you think MC could match that?
I don’t get why people can’t give a fair judge to MC, i’m not trying to make enemies on FP as I just wan’t to debate and take peoples opinions into consideration so please do so with mine and at least when you reply say something like “sorry I still can’t see your point” not something like “Get the fuck out you stupid fanboy peace of sh ” you know.
I don’t even like Halo, that’s why I only know of what I played from 1, 2 and 3, havn’t even played reach yet, lol, I’ve actually have played more MGS than Halo, but I just go more by aplying no gamemechanics if not canon feats into a real life situations.
So I never said that MC can dodge electromagnetic rounds, I just said that if his enemy is hidden just like any other soldier MC will take cover and move around cover rather than walk intot he middle of the field, and MC also got some weapons of his own, spartan laser is his strongets weapon, undagable aswell and if you dont count ones own bad aim an use the aim of a spartan then we know that they will never miss unless the target is supersonic. Why does people always got to say, Snake wins because he can hide and wait for Chief and hit him with Rail Gun, MC got a sniper too and that ones got the range he needs (and don’t say standard equipment, description doesn’t say it and master chief got many standard is all the weapons the UNSC has at their disposal, human weapons only), also his quick reflexes and weapon skills can make him a gunslinger Snake has never fought before (Ocelot is better but that wasn’t solid snake fighting him).
Thing is, people are just imagining MC with a hole pierced threw his body and snake at long distance. That’s poor debating, looks more like a voting match of who you like better to me.
So if any of you still wish for a rematch so Snake can win, then lets do it after Halo 4′s release, because if you do it before and lets say Snake wins, then we will be expecting a rematch do to in Halo’s favor do to the new Chief incarnation. So if you feel confident that Snake wins Halo 3 chief, why not make it Halo 4 Chief, hey it’s a bigger title for snake if he wins right.
And guess what, if Snake wins vs Halo 4 then I guess they also won this one right?
I honestly don’t know. But for all we know 343 could make some sort of ass pull and give the MC some crazy new ability or some crap like that. Besides, every bit helps right?
“I know, but I did assume you could even the scale here assuming that MC was being neglected in a sense.”
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If you want me to actually try, I *might be able to think of something. Of course it would be reliant on environment, higher-end level quotes, and a fair bit of other things. I could also argue that Chief, as per the rules, gets a “multiple vehicle selection” and since SPARTANs are trained to operate everything from Mongooses to full blown UNSC frigates, a variety of new options become available (Like the Cobra, which has a railgun that makes Snake’s look like a low-pressure squirt gun).
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However, I’m in no particular mood to do this.
“Javelin uses infrared imaging to find it’s target. Why would Master Chief need to be moving?”
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I mean the Javelin would require more movement to use/hold up as opposed to the railgun since it’s more then just laying down and pulling a trigger. Which set off MC motion sensors.
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“The grenades can be chucked from a hidden position and that could jam Chief’s sensors a bit. Snake could maneuver away or go for the kill that way.”
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Spartan do have enhanced hearing and sight to go off of last i checked. And Snake would have to for a kill because currently I don’t see Snake being able to outrun a Spartan.
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“The Javelin has a minimum range of 75 meters and a max of 2500m.”
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Yeah range is probably the biggest hurdle for MC here. It were fairly close detecting and laying down fire would be pretty easy. But Sankes weapons have got some pretty big ranges on them.
@OMEGAMI
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MC does not own any weapon procured to him. So no he does not get every weapon UNSC has at its disposal.
Yeah, f-in bungie ruining all the Halo fights with stupid numbers *grumble grumble* and I am going to be a pessimist and say 343 is going to screw it up even more.
“Thing is, people are just imagining MC with a hole pierced threw his body and snake at long distance. That’s poor debating, looks more like a voting match of who you like better to me.”
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Nope that’s just being realistic. He can keep MC pinned fairly easily at a comfortable distance.
“I don’t get why people can’t give a fair judge to MC, i’m not trying to make enemies on FP as I just wan’t to debate and take peoples opinions into consideration so please do so with mine and at least when you reply say something like “sorry I still can’t see your point” not something like “Get the fuck out you stupid fanboy peace of sh ” you know.”
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No one’s really acting like as you said. We just want some concrete arguments that haven’t been stated already.
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“MC also got some weapons of his own, spartan laser is his strongets weapon, undagable aswell and if you dont count ones own bad aim an use the aim of a spartan then we know that they will never miss unless the target is supersonic. Why does people always got to say, Snake wins because he can hide and wait for Chief and hit him with Rail Gun, MC got a sniper too and that ones got the range he needs (and don’t say standard equipment, description doesn’t say it and master chief got many standard is all the weapons the UNSC has at their disposal, human weapons ”
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Standard Equipment rule nulls your entire argument.
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Yep, Snake’s splazer. IS a railgun.
That’s how real men roll.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Unless stated or permitted otherwise, unless you’re talking in general, right?
“I honestly don’t know. But for all we know 343 could make some sort of ass pull and give the MC some crazy new ability or some crap like that. Besides, every bit helps right?”
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I believe they mentioned making Chief into the combination of a fighter jet and a heavy tank. I’m pretty sure it would be difficult for Snake to take down a jet with the armor and firepower of a tank……
“I believe they mentioned making Chief into the combination of a fighter jet and a heavy tank. I’m pretty sure it would be difficult for Snake to take down a jet with the armor and firepower of a tank……”
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When they say jet do you think they meant the jet pack?
“When they say jet do you think they meant the jet pack?”
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My guess is that they mean making him either move faster or more agile.
We best state which armor for the Chief is to be used in the re-match and save ourselves the trouble, alright?
“We best state which armor for the Chief is to be used in the re-match and save ourselves the trouble, alright?”
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We’d just go with current incarnation.
Which would be his Mark VI armor.