Another post suggestion. I played Metal Gear 2 for NES and thought it was a decent game. Never thought too much of it and then I kept on seeing more coverage about the upcoming Metal Gear 4, and with a great fanbase, I think this makes for a great vs battle.
So, here goes:
Master Chief:
- Various weapon skills
- Regenerating Shields
- Multiple Vehicle selection
- Lone Wolf Mentality
- Super Cool Armor
Solid Snake:
- Excellent hand to hand combat skills
- Weapon Mastery
- Communication Expert
- Stealth
- Quick thinking
So, to celebrate Halo 3′s release and Guns of the Patriots upcoming release, who comes out on top in a one-vs-one battle?
“Master Chief wins hands down. Snake is just a human. Master Chief is bigger, stronger, faster, and better than Snake. I don’t know why people even think Snake stands a chance against the chief. I don’t think I need to explain why Snake would get his ass handed to him, do I?”
Yes, you do. Since Snake isn’t “just” a human and has many advantages in this fight. But please, do explain how Master Chief can win.
Next time also please read the entire god damned debate.
“Master Chief is 7 ft. Snake isn’t.”
“Master Chief was able to single handedly own the flood and the covenant. Snake didn’t.”
“Master Chief saved the universe from being blown up by all Halo rings by manually destroying them. Snake didn’t.”
These tidbits are irrelevent.
“Master Chief can sprint up to 35 mph. Snake can’t.”
No, but close range he has the reaction time to dodge a super sonic missile without outside help from an AI.
“Master Chief can pilot ANY vehicle and aircraft possible. Snake can’t.”
No limits fallacy AND doesn’t matter.
“Master Chief weighs about 1000 lbs and can take many bullets and grenade explosives before going low on shields. Snake dies when an explosion hits him.”
Durability was conceded for Master Chief long ago.
“Master Chief is a super soldier. Snake is a human.”
No, they’re both super soldiers.
“So Mjolnir, in its weakest shielded incarnation survived 8.42Mj on it. Just bear in mind that the explosion was not 8.42Mj, merely the KE that affected the chief. Most of the explosions energy would have been radiated away in other directions, and there would be a significant thermal component which is unaccounted for, so 8.42Mj would be a low end figure (as thermal is not taken into account striking the chief).”
That’s a hair more than the terminal velocity fall calcs I did in the MC vs AMP thread. So we have a general range for this shields.
“Chiefs reaction time is 10ms (10×10^-3)(0.01seconds)”
Where’d this come from…? Because the only number was 20 ms that I ever heard. If you’re simply doubling it based on “adrenaline makes it faster!” then it can’t be quantified and we can only go with the highest provable number.
“The total energy in C4 is difficult to find. However, the claymore is a hell of a lot weaker then the missile explosion that didn’t kill him, so I don’t see how it will either.”
You sure…? I’ve personally witnessed claymore going off. Even over a mile away I felt it. The explosion itself was huge and was only paled (in the demonstration that is) by the artillery fire that went off shortly after.
“Where’d this come from…? Because the only number was 20 ms that I ever heard. If you’re simply doubling it based on “adrenaline makes it faster!” then it can’t be quantified and we can only go with the highest provable number.”
Post in this thread, i thought it was 20ms myself. If it is 20ms though, it’ll still only double the crap range.
“You sure…? I’ve personally witnessed claymore going off. Even over a mile away I felt it. The explosion itself was huge and was only paled (in the demonstration that is) by the artillery fire that went off shortly after.”
Comparativly to an example i found for knocking out a steel support need over a kg, and the claymore having a lot less, then yes. Though as i said, I havnt found the damn energy per kg for c4 yet. You’d expect it to be easy to find but no luck. Even then though i’d doubt a small anti-personel trap would pack more explosive then a missile.
“No, but close range he has the reaction time to dodge a super sonic missile without outside help from an AI.”
I still dont think Cortana should count as outside help. She has no free will and in effect is no different then the power management systems in his suit, far more advanced, but still a programme that can only do what it was made to do.
sorry for double postness.
@Cananatra
Cortana does think on her own, how do you think she tells Chief what to do and how she analyzes the Covenant battle net? I don’t recall Chief telling her to do so in the book I read (Halo: The Flood) so she must have done so on her own free will.
You dont have to tell your computer to contact a network every time. Cortana is advanced but she has no free will. She has alpha and beta level objectives and the only time she can ignore them is if they conflict, in which case the higher priority takes precedent. If she had free will she could choose to ignore any directives. No free will relegates her to a machine, a well programmed and very complex machine, but still a tool.
“You dont have to tell your computer to contact a network every time. Cortana is advanced but she has no free will. She has alpha and beta level objectives and the only time she can ignore them is if they conflict, in which case the higher priority takes precedent. If she had free will she could choose to ignore any directives. No free will relegates her to a machine, a well programmed and very complex machine, but still a tool.”
Hasn’t she outright ignored orders from higher ranking officers before…? Including MC himself?
Just asking since this topic is beating a dead horse.
She doesnt even have a rank, and as far as i know, it was never specified she had to follow the chiefs orders.
“She doesnt even have a rank, and as far as i know, it was never specified she had to follow the chiefs orders.”
Just because she lacks a rank doesn’t mean she can disobey their orders. She’s a construct within the UNSC military, why wouldn’t she? It’d be just plain stupid to make rebellious AIs that contain as much info as she does due to the risks…..but then again, this is the UNSC here. -shrug-
The fact she has a will of her own to do this stuff shows she’s her own character.
Yes, it makes sense to have a piece of technology capable of overcoming any software defence in the UNSC have to do whatever a lowly Master Chief orders. Thats not a potential security breach at all.
Saying Cortana has free will is no different then saying your laptop has. It can choose to do a damn lot without ever consulting you, but at the end of the day, it, like cortana, can only do what it is allowed.
“Yes, it makes sense to have a piece of technology capable of overcoming any software defence in the UNSC have to do whatever a lowly Master Chief orders. Thats not a potential security breach at all.”
You misinterpret what I meant. Think of it this way, a rebellious AI that could possibly double cross over to the Covenant and provide them with every shred of information built within it allowing them to ravage the UNSC further. How is that not a breach of security?
“Saying Cortana has free will is no different then saying your laptop has. It can choose to do a damn lot without ever consulting you,”
You’ll have to elaborate further on this as that made no sense. A laptop can do stuff on it’s own like surf the web, download programs and constantly upgrade itself? I didn’t know that, I need me one of these things! /sarcasm
Examples of Cortana’s free will;
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKpMRc-RE18
@7:21 Cortana tells Chief what to do clearly on her own.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxq02yGa5Q&feature=related
@7:30 She expresses her desire to go along with Chief in destroying the PoA.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwBERhhE5sM&feature=related
@4:51 She’s giving orders just fine on her own will.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xz2OWdWWcI
@1:44 More proof.
“@7:21 Cortana tells Chief what to do clearly on her own.”
A GPS comes with advanced instructions to get updates, no difference. It’s clearly more advanced, but still not free will.
“@7:30 She expresses her desire to go along with Chief in destroying the PoA.”
Which fits exactly into the whole protecting the earth part of her programming.
“@4:51 She’s giving orders just fine on her own will.”
‘You’re computer must restart now to complete installation’. Once again, instructions =/= free will.
“@1:44 More proof.”
And again.
You seem you be mistaking instructions with free will. Cortana can see something happening and react to it, and this is the important part, within the limitations given. Cortana has, no doubt dozens, of objectives with varying levels of priority. We know one alpha level is to do her mission, while self preservation is beta level. This means the only time cortana can choose to self terminate is when it does not conflict with alpha level directives. A human can go and top themselves whenever they feel like, regardless of orders, Cortana cant. She has no free will.
Most importantly to remember, when AI reach a point where they can disobey an order and make totaly free choices, they have entered rampancy. Its one of the main defining qualities of rampancy. Cortana is not rampant, and thus, for now, has no free will. She is an very advanced computer programme, good problem solving and limited autonomy, but no free will.
@Canantra-Besides what Soldier’s Shadow said AI’s have demonstrated the ability to gain free will in other media due to codes written into the program by the creators themselves in all its forms namely there most important ability which is to learn and adapt what they learned into becoming better and more efficient. This however tends to turn into free will aka becoming Self Aware which examples can be found in series such as Terminator(Biggest example in Skynet who is totally self-aware down to having fear and the instinct of self preservation which also transfers to the Terminators who can also become self-aware and stop following orders from Skynet and even join the Resistance for protection)Matrix, and iRobot. This is also prevalent in Mass Effect via Geth since they too have demonstrated free will and self-awareness to the point of rebellion and religion. Actually if you think about it practically every series that features robots and AI with complete free will from humans of every rank.
The ability of generic scifi AI to gain free will does not mean this AI from Halo has free will. The UNSC is one of the few scifi universes which actively exterminates AI once they gain free will.
“The UNSC is one of the few scifi universes which actively exterminates AI once they gain free will.”Cortana is an exception silly.
“Most importantly to remember, when AI reach a point where they can disobey an order and make totaly free choices, they have entered rampancy.”
She already hit that stage…
Actualy, on internal monologue she constantly quastions whether the extra forerunner data has caused her to slip into early rampancy. As far as I can recall, there hasnt been a scene where she is actualy confirmed to be rampant, though I could be wrong on that.
It was shown in another debate when the same issue was brought up. I’ll try to find it. Not that it’d be easy with the number of MC debates out there….
blegh.
Wouldn’t opinion, jokes, and emotions indicate she is a separate character instead of just equipment?
“I know what you’re thinking, and it’s crazy.” – When the Master Chief is going to use the Covenant Bomb against the Covenant.”Unfortunately for us both … I like crazy.”
“Talk to me, should I start CPR? What’s going on?” – On Heroic.
“Don’t make a girl a promise… If you know you can’t keep it….”
“I’m just my Mother’s shadow… don’t look at me, don’t listen! I’m not who I used to be.”
“Just one question: What if you miss?”
“Thanks for the tank. He never gets me anything.” – To Avery Johnson
“But so much of me is wrong… out of place. You might be too late…”
“They let me pick, did I ever tell you that? Choose whichever Spartan I wanted. You know me. I did my research. Watched as you became the soldier we needed you to be. Like the others, you were strong and swift and brave. A natural leader. But you had something they didn’t. Something no one saw… but me. Can you guess? Luck. Was I wrong?”
@Lowk
Well halo AI are designed to have a simulated human interface, so jokes and personality are not a sure sign of free will.
@CIDE
Thanks, I’ve been searching my books myself but cant see any on it.
Cheif never really chose cortana as equipment, she did herself. If anything, shouldn’t MC be her standard equipment.
That’s……huh. Mayhaps Envoy has a point?
Who the f*ck brought this to life again? Knock it off.
“Who the f*ck brought this to life again? Knock it off.”
Ahem. That would be me actually by responding a three days old comment yesterday. Think of it this way, would you rather a thread like Dante vs Alucard or Forerunners vs GE revived with loads of BS thrown back and forth or a debate where we have more things to work with? Or at least compared to those two…
“Well halo AI are designed to have a simulated human interface, so jokes and personality are not a sure sign of free will.”
Don’t you think that would imply or allude to thought which is a sign of free will?
Not realy, people have been writing programmes to fool people into thinking its a human theyre talking to for years, and it works. Now obviously the technology they use is way above what we have, and it is a much better simulation. Its so intricate it may even be a genine personality after running for a while as a learning machine. However, so long as software restrictions remain in place the AI does not have free will.
I didn’t find it but I remembered something from Contact: Harvest. The two primary AI’s int hat story (either one being leagues below Cortana in sophistication) showed free well. Primarily, they each fell in love. Then Loki (I forgot his ‘other’ name) had two sets of programing. The “civilian” counterpart completely disregarding all preset programming to do what he wanted; which meant saving Sif (the female program) that he had fallen in love with.
And Sif freely admitted going rampant once her guiding routines had been shot by the plasma pistol. Likewise the other one (whose name eludes me) had come to the end of its seven year cycle and had to step down or become rampant. Though he stepped down officially he remained functional when he shouldnt have, which means he would also have fallen into rampancy.
Though I have to say, the end of that book was sad in a bittersweet way.
“Though he stepped down officially he remained functional when he shouldnt have, which means he would also have fallen into rampancy.”
Never actually confirmed. Though, Sif’s bit was obvious. I’m just glad I wasn’t the only one that forgot the other AI’s name.
I think it was Mark or Max, something like that.
It specified that he had to divide himself amoungst the machines to prevent rampancy, and once he did he would be unable to see or talk to Sif again. After Loki betrayed him, he activly fought Loki via Jotun. The whole last paragraph as he is speaking to the dead Sif is him acting as a single entity, something he said at the beginning he couldnt do if he split properly. So though it doesnt explicitly state he didnt split up properly, it’s prity strong evidence he didnt.
Mack!
(not too short)
“I think it was Mark or Max, something like that.”
Mac!!
“It specified that he had to divide himself amoungst the machines to prevent rampancy, and once he did he would be unable to see or talk to Sif again. After Loki betrayed him, he activly fought Loki via Jotun. The whole last paragraph as he is speaking to the dead Sif is him acting as a single entity, something he said at the beginning he couldnt do if he split properly. So though it doesnt explicitly state he didnt split up properly, it’s prity strong evidence he didnt.”
I thought the splitting was primarily a survival thing (and partially corruption) as the Covies were wiping out anything and everything on the planet? Namely sources of AI signals that they could track.
Remember he explainned that he and loki were the original colony AI, and in order to stave off rampancy, every 7 years they’d swap out, one disassembleing himself into the Jotuns while the other took over (Loki was also a special AI of some sort built for emergencies). I assume tearing yourself appart reduced the fatal interconnections that caused rampancy, allowing for longer lifespan on paired AI’s.
Snake would fuck his shit up. Snakes the original badass hes killed people and things much stronger, faster, smarter, bigger and better trained then master queef. Things with better armor and better technology. And dont try to pull the “well in the books….”. fuck you the books came out after the game so what he does in the game is what he can actually do, even though hes not real, but you get what i mean. How about this one. Master Chief vs a Navy SEAL? Answer that one.
Where’s the rematch for this debate? It’s well deserved, I think a rematch for this would also be a welcome change from all the anime and broken characters (I am looking directly at Saint of Killers vs Darkseid) in the recent debates. I vote for a rematch.
“. I vote for a rematch.”
Seconded. Bring it on already! 8)
I vote for a rematch too, I would vote for chief, but i want to see it again. (if there is a rematch i vote for giving snake a bullet resistant helmet because MC’s armor will stop one headshot from most weapons, but snake’s skin and bones will not.)
“I vote for a rematch too, I would vote for chief, but i want to see it again. (if there is a rematch i vote for giving snake a bullet resistant helmet because MC’s armor will stop one headshot from most weapons, but snake’s skin and bones will not.)”
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It would be great to have some opposition if the rematch comes
This is probably one of the more even matches on the site and has much that could be delved into onto who could win over who. This site really does need something like that after the series of stomp after stomp this month.
Hint. Hint. admin.
Absolutely not. From what I understand, Snake has hammerspace storage that he can pull any weapon out of, including *shudder* railguns.
Unless we take that away and give them both knives.
And put them on a crashing spaceship…heading towards a black hole…with only a few hours to get out….
“This is probably one of the more even matches on the site and has much that could be delved into onto who could win over who. This site really does need something like that after the series of stomp after stomp this month.
Hint. Hint. admin.”
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What he said.
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“Absolutely not. From what I understand, Snake has hammerspace storage that he can pull any weapon out of, including *shudder* railguns.”
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Well, he only hes one railgun, and its the Cardboard Box you really gotta watch out for.
Thermal sensors+common sense+motion tracker>>>>>>>>>>>>cardboard box
“Thermal sensors+common sense+motion tracker>>>>>>>>>>>>cardboard box”
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Tsk tsk tsk, you fail to understand th magnitude of the Cardboard Box!
You fail to understand that unlike Snake’s enemies, Master Chief is not retarded. In fact, very far from it.
“You fail to understand that unlike Snake’s enemies, Master Chief is not retarded. In fact, very far from it.”
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I shall burn the Heretics in the Holy Barrel of Justice! SNAKE HAS THE POWER OF IMAGINATION!, You can’t beat that…
…Please tell me how imagination will stop the Chief from filling the box with holes (or grenading it…much more fun!)
Seriously though…these guys…with knives…on a spaceship falling towards a black hole…
“…Please tell me how imagination will stop the Chief from filling the box with holes (or grenading it…much more fun!)”
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How isn’t it?
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“Seriously though…these guys…with knives…on a spaceship falling towards a black hole…”
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Thats a one sided fight. And they both lose in the end.
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Anyways, Snake for the FP award removal or rematch.
“How isn’t it?”
Exactly! Don’t you just love sticking grenades to other things?!
“Thats a one sided fight. And they both lose in the end.”
Snaks gets his box, and they have only about an hour to make it to a lifeboat and GTFO.
And to access it, ONE MUST DIE.
“You fail to understand that unlike Snake’s enemies, Master Chief is not retarded. In fact, very far from it.”
Yeah, he’s great for a mute. I really think that most of the early battles on this site need to be revised. Just found Lobo vs MC earlier and even though Lobo obviously won, there were people defending MC. I think that mentality went in favor of some unjust Hall of fame titles.
“You fail to understand that unlike Snake’s enemies, Master Chief is not retarded. In fact, very far from it.”
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Outside of gameplay, how were they retarded in any way? He’s defeated mind readers, masterminds, genetically enhanced and coordinated military forces.
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“…Please tell me how imagination will stop the Chief from filling the box with holes (or grenading it…much more fun!)”
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ZomB? Why does everyone take all of your comments so serio-I mean, you sure know how to make absolutely FACTUAL and truthful arguments that all else fall before! =D
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Oh, and they have to do it highlander style
“Snaks gets his box, and they have only about an hour to make it to a lifeboat and GTFO.
And to access it, ONE MUST DIE.”
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Not seein the part where it isn’t a onesides stomp…
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“ZomB? Why does everyone take all of your comments so serio-I mean, you sure know how to make absolutely FACTUAL and truthful arguments that all else fall before! =D”
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I know, I sometimes amaze myself…
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I think I may make this next comment my Factpile signature… Solid Snake for the FP award removal or rematch.
“Outside of gameplay, how were they retarded in any way? He’s defeated mind readers, masterminds, genetically enhanced and coordinated military forces.”
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And he can identify someone by their ass alone!
“Thermal sensors+common sense+motion tracker>>>>>>>>>>>>cardboard box”
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Only one of the three–assuming a trained sniper is moving–would be enough to locate Snake.
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“Tsk tsk tsk, you fail to understand th magnitude of the Cardboard Box!
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I think he does.
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“Outside of gameplay, how were they retarded in any way? He’s defeated mind readers, masterminds, genetically enhanced and coordinated military forces. “
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Seconded. If numbers weren’t an issue (as MGS takes place on a single planet whereas Halo is galaxy wide) many of Snake’s enemies would stomp their counterparts in the Covie factions.
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“ZomB? Why does everyone take all of your comments so serio-I mean, you sure know how to make absolutely FACTUAL and truthful arguments that all else fall before! =D”
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Wha…?
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“And he can identify someone by their ass alone!”
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That’s talent right there. So damn good it may as well be a super power.
Necro.
Still want a rematch.
@Laharl
Since we sadly cannot have Shepard, John(Chief) and David(Snake), all together against 60 million enemies(no matter how epic it sounds!) you think we can do something like that for X, Zero, Axl, and Samus, actually?
Come on, think of the epic win factors that could ensure if its managed correctly, plus the Megaman fans need something to cheer them up, for the better.
Still…Snake’s not meant to be a push-over in combat.
He was made out to be here when the award was given.
@Laharl
Blast it, even though its not out of the question that Shepard could take on Snake in combat, exactly why did people thought Snake wouldn’t be able to make Chief go so far as to SWEAT in combat?
Not that Chief is a wimp, either, but c’mon, here!!!
Anyway, the offer to prepare Samus Aran to fight alongside the 3 Maverick Hunters(X, Zero, and Axl) with all 4 at full power against 60 million enemies still stands, if it helps.
“Since we sadly cannot have Shepard, John(Chief) and David(Snake), all together against 60 million enemies(no matter how epic it sounds!) you think we can do something like that for X, Zero, Axl, and Samus, actually?”
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Those three against 60 million HOTD zombies, should be good.
@Lieutenant
Which group?
You mean Shepard, Chief and Snake together, or X, Zero, Axl and Samus?
@Lieutenant
www.factpile.com/6931-vampire-hunter-d-vs-alucard/
You may want to check back at the thread, because while juggling with the fact i have to keep up with the above-mentioned fight, i also found images worthy for Lucy and Marceline for the big fight we’ve got to plot out between the two, combat-related conditions and all.
@ Commander Cross
Shepard, Chief and Snake.
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The High School of the Dead zombies are one of the ‘easier’ types of zombies. They cannot see, smell, feel, and taste. They can only hear, and have that sense magnified greatly.
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Fortunately, they move slowly.
@Lieutenant
Thanks for clearing that regard up.
So should Chief be grabbing ‘Weapon S’ if there’s no other way to grant him unlimited ammo, while giving Shepard and Snake Unlimited ammo, as well?
Also, care to check back at that match to see what i managed to find so far for both Lucy and Marceline?
This match we’re in may need a re-match or it might not, it depends on how badly underestimated Snake is.
“Since we sadly cannot have Shepard, John(Chief) and David(Snake), all together against 60 million enemies(no matter how epic it sounds!) you think we can do something like that for X, Zero, Axl, and Samus, actually?”
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Throw Raynor in too and we’ll get going here.
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“He was made out to be here when the award was given.”
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Lots and lots of Halo fanboys…-sigh-
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throw in every armored badass in there u might know (one per series)
samus, iron man, x , … … … … … … …
… … … damn that´s currently all i can think of …
except for chief, raynor and boba fett
@MrT and CIDE
Do Snake and Chief count?
Still at any case, the idea of Samus, X, Zero, Axl, Raynor, Fett, Chief, Shepard, and Snake all working together against 60 million enemies would be nothing short of epic, if the enemies in question are just right, wouldn’t you all agree?
“He was made out to be here when the award was given.”
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Indeed, sad sad thing that is. Oh and LAHARL!!!!!!!
@Major ZomB
Would Shepard vs Snake be fairer, or must a rematch between Snake and Chief be given first, before anyone can find it anywhere near safe to determine if its workable?
Something tells me Shepard may end up stomping Snake…
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Throw him against Alcatraz.
Shepard stomps Alcatraz.
No, I meant Snake against Alcatraz.
“No, I meant Snake against Alcatraz.”
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Does Alcatraz’s active camo counter thermal?
I wouldn’t know, I honestly just suggested Al because I heard somewhere that he was only on Master Chief’s level or so which is just about right for a match for Snake.
Alcatraz’s camo doesn’t emit heat, and he’s abit above MC level, at least in speed. I don’t see how Snake could possible take on Al if MC is having such a hard time.
How well would Al’s suit take a railgun shot from Snake that’s said to be stronger than a modern main battle tank (assuming the M1 Abrams is the MBT suspect)? Also, how would he possibly detect Snake in his Octocamo?
“Does Alcatraz’s active camo counter thermal?”
Yeah and I believe Al has a way of tracking cloaked or hidden enemies.
If Al’s too much, what about Nomad?
According to the Al vs MC thread, Al’s armor laughs at Gauss rounds in the 8 mega-joule range. Also his insides are made of the same stuff as his suit, he is “becoming” the suit, or so they Crysis fans say.
@ss
nomad is only 32% weaker then Al, but he can still punch 2 ton vehicles around, and he still has most of what Al has.
So anything new for Snake to plot out?
@Soldier’s Shadow
So much for that attempt at a bright idea on my part.
“According to the Al vs MC thread, Al’s armor laughs at Gauss rounds in the 8 mega-joule range. Also his insides are made of the same stuff as his suit, he is “becoming” the suit, or so they Crysis fans say.”
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Where did you get that from? Those are 250kJ at best(I’m not saying that’s not impressive, that is one hell of a round).
“If Al’s too much, what about Nomad?”
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Or Psycho they pretty much got the same stuff going on. Though as I’ve yet to play those I can’t find any info on them other then the wiki.
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“Also his insides are made of the same stuff as his suit, he is “becoming” the suit, or so they Crysis fans say.”
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Or the suit is becoming him. DUN DUN DUUUUUN
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“How well would Al’s suit take a railgun shot from Snake that’s said to be stronger than a modern main battle tank”
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In armor mode he might be able to take a hit. Doubt it’s going to take more then that. Doesn’t that thing have to charge first to do it max velocity and power though?
The weapon specs say the capacitor is 8 MJ.
“The weapon specs say the capacitor is 8 MJ.”
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Capacitor =/= to bullet energy
Correction; 10MJ. However the shot from the rail gun’s in-game description is compared directly to modern day tank shots as an equivalent in terms of power.
Isn’t Snake’s railgun’s low end estimate around 10MJs? I read that on this thread earlier or something around that calc.
So um… whens this rematch that everyones contesting coming along exactly?
We’re still waiting… Most likely hopelessly but still waiting.
@SS
Ah i see, i bet its one of those things that we keep saying will happen but will happen when we least expect it lol
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On that note, this topic isn’t even in the Top 5 anymore like when i first found this place 8)
Let’s try something new here… REMATCH NOMINATIONS!!!
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I ZomB, hereby officially Nominate this for a rematch.
Following in ZomB’s footsteps, I second it. 8)
Snake runs and hides from Master Chief while the Chief starves to death. Even though they didn’t actually meet in combat or exchange shots like this match likely meant for them to, Snake is still the last one standing and thus wins. The End.
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No really, I was having an argument like that on another thread on this website just a day ago.
“Snake runs and hides from Master Chief while the Chief starves to death. Even though they didn’t actually meet in combat or exchange shots like this match likely meant for them to, Snake is still the last one standing and thus wins. The End.”
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Actually it’s more like Snake shoots Master Chief with a Railgun… Master Chief dies… Snake eats a ration.
“Snake eats a ration.”
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Snake: Huh…not bad.
“Actually it’s more like Snake shoots Master Chief with a Railgun… Master Chief dies… Snake eats a ration.”
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Why doesn’t Chief just shoot Snake and walk past him before the ration revives Snake who then shoots the railgun and eats a ration afterward?
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“Snake: Huh…not bad.”
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TASTY.
“Why doesn’t Chief just shoot Snake and walk past him before the ration revives Snake who then shoots the railgun and eats a ration afterward?”
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Because Snake has supersonic reactions, and can’t be bothered to wait.
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I think it’s finally happened… I think I have the longest standing unchanged Gravatar on the site!
“Because Snake has supersonic reactions, and can’t be bothered to wait.”
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Not even for the lulz? It’d still have the stealth factor.
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And I don’t think anyone except maybe Laharl has had the same gravatar as long as you have.
“Not even for the lulz? It’d still have the stealth factor.”
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He might toy with Master Chief a bit and incorporate the box in some way… Could you imagine Master Chief getting to watch Solid Snake on a mission!? He would be bewildered.
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“And I don’t think anyone except maybe Laharl has had the same gravatar as long as you have.”
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I shall defeat him!
“He might toy with Master Chief a bit and incorporate the box in some way… Could you imagine Master Chief getting to watch Solid Snake on a mission!? He would be bewildered.”
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He….Would… DIE!
How many people have actually requested a rematch of this?
The people at the topia, pretty sure in that FP award thread. I don’t see the point of one though. Just switch over the award to who deserves it. In this case, Snake owns.
I think everyone would be happy with either a rematch or an award reversal. I just think a rematch is more likely.
Maybe, but you guys have pretty much managed to overturn every single advantage Chief has in the past few pages alone. To put a rematch would be akin to copy/pasting what’s already been said. Based on those, an award reversal would be more fitting.