Another post suggestion. I played Metal Gear 2 for NES and thought it was a decent game. Never thought too much of it and then I kept on seeing more coverage about the upcoming Metal Gear 4, and with a great fanbase, I think this makes for a great vs battle.
So, here goes:
Master Chief:
- Various weapon skills
- Regenerating Shields
- Multiple Vehicle selection
- Lone Wolf Mentality
- Super Cool Armor
Solid Snake:
- Excellent hand to hand combat skills
- Weapon Mastery
- Communication Expert
- Stealth
- Quick thinking
So, to celebrate Halo 3′s release and Guns of the Patriots upcoming release, who comes out on top in a one-vs-one battle?
@Man
Octocamo
Face Camo
Solid Eye
M4 SOPMOD
M1911Operator
Railgun
M14 Sniper
M32 40mm Grenade Launcher
Stun Knife
All seen in cutscenes at least once with Snake as he acquires three of them from the B&B for the rest of the game. It’s much more feasible than 40+ different firearms.
All those weapons are awesome. I would kill to get my hands on Snake’s Octocamo and Face Camo.
That’s way too many weapons for an old geezer to carry, suit or not. How bout eye, grenade launcher, the m4 (I’m assuming that’s a tactical rifle), and I’m kinda “eh” toward the knife… The suit is a bit tricky, as my question was not answered. Is the octocamo something that is permanently part of the suit, or an add-on that can be removed. Then again, even on the suit, the quote didn;t say that the entire suit was ruined, just the octocamo and the solid eye, which, to me, means that the suit is intact.
Can someone clarify to me?
Railgun, that is going to hurt.
Old geezer my ass, even without the suit he could kill anyone (as in members) on this site with minimal effort.
@ TheSorrow
Michael thinks he is a Necron Lord.
@Man
You speak heresy. You must be purged.
“GET THE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!”
“Old geezer my ass, even without the suit he could kill anyone (as in members) on this site with minimal effort.”
Would that be before or after he cracks his back and becomes a paralyzed, yet semi-threatening old geezer.
And that still does not answer my question.
“Would that be before or after he cracks his back and becomes a paralyzed, yet semi-threatening old geezer.”
He is probably in fitter condition than you are, even with the FOX-DIE virus inside AND the constant smoking through out his life. He would still be able to kill you without even breaking a sweat.
Dante is to Chuck as Snake is to me. Do not try and down play Snake as simply an old man with arthritis and cataracts because I will not hesitate to tear you a new verbal asshole.
“Like I said, even with both characters having all of their equipment, Snake would still win via a Javelin missile from way out of Chief’s range, a railgun shot from an ambush, a railgun shot period or through mines and other traps.”
And why do you assume that MC wouldn’t do the same?
“Someone hasn’t been paying attention to ANYTHING on Factpile over the years. MC’s weapons (and any in Halo for that matter for infantry) are shit. Plain and simple. There’s nothing to get around it. The creators of the games didn’t know what they were doing when they spec’d the weapons and they made shit.”
I asked you the previous page how Halo weapons suck..you will have to give evidence for that.I don’t care what is said on factpile,from people biased against Halo.
“It doesn’t matter if this gun comes from hundreds of years into the future; it’s shit. In terms of weapons Snake (even if we go with just cut scenes) had a VAST advantage. ”
Really?So then MC gets the sniper and the splazer as he is seen with those in cutscenes.
MC with a fuel rod gun
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpABAyziy_0&feature=related
MC with a rocket launcher and smg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFaNvs3TFCw&feature=related
MC with a sniper:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x89jHCVmkzE&feature=related
MC with a splazer:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLrYUtQwVU&feature=related
MC hasn’t something as standard equipment,he carries all weapons suited for his missions.
“And why do you assume that MC wouldn’t do the same?”
Cause he doesn’t have access to a fire-and-forget missile launcher or a railgun.
“I asked you the previous page how Halo weapons suck..you will have to give evidence for that.I don’t care what is said on factpile,from people biased against Halo.”
Give us something that actually proves Halo weapons worth, otherwise they suck as always.
“Really?So then MC gets the sniper and the splazer as he is seen with those in cutscenes.”
Doesn’t work both ways, unlike the Chief, Snake owns every single weapon he carries. Which would technically mean he gets every weapon in MGS4 that is available, but to keep things fair we made a list of what he should get.
“MC hasn’t something as standard equipment,he carries all weapons suited for his missions.”
Bullshit MC carries whatever he is issued at the beginning of each mission.
“Cause he doesn’t have access to a fire-and-forget missile launcher or a railgun.”
He has access to a Spartan Laser and a Rocket Launcher with it’s homing capacity.
“Give us something that actually proves Halo weapons worth, otherwise they suck as always.”
It’s up to you guys to prove that Halo weapons suck and not me.Stop making claims and post some valid evidence.
“Doesn’t work both ways, unlike the Chief, Snake owns every single weapon he carries. Which would technically mean he gets every weapon in MGS4 that is available, but to keep things fair we made a list of what he should get.”
What do you mean with “own”?His own personal weapons just like your personal PC?
“Bullshit MC carries whatever he is issued at the beginning of each mission”
No he chooses whatever he thinks is the best for the mission.
“He has access to a Spartan Laser and a Rocket Launcher with it’s homing capacity.”
Since when?
“It’s up to you guys to prove that Halo weapons suck and not me.Stop making claims and post some valid evidence.”
You make claims as well stating that the Halo weapons don’t suck, so it is up to you to provide valid evidence.
“What do you mean with “own”?His own personal weapons just like your personal PC?”
Exactly what the word “own” means, he paid and scavenged for every weapon, attachment, and ammo he has so it is his to what he wishes with it.
“No he chooses whatever he thinks is the best for the mission.”
He does not own the weapon he is given, he doesn’t keep the weapon for every mission, so why should he get it now?
“Since when?”
I posted some cutscenes with those weapons in his hands.
“You make claims as well stating that the Halo weapons don’t suck, so it is up to you to provide valid evidence.”
Lol
You guys started first
“He does not own the weapon he is given, he doesn’t keep the weapon for every mission, so why should he get it now?”
And why should he only get the assault rifle,if it sin’t a weapon that he “owns”.He can choose any weapon available for him in whatever armory he is in.
You want some evidence that the AR is crap compared to today’s standards? Alright let’s compare it’s range with other modern day rifles:
FN F2000 effective range: 500 meters
Better than the MA5C
AK-47 effective range: 400 meters
Better than the MA5C
AK-74 effective range: 600 meters
Better than the MA5C
AK-101 effective range: 500 meters
Better than the MA5C
FAMAS G2 effective range: 400 meters
Better than the MA5C
SCAR-L effective range: 600 meters
Better than the MA5C
M4 effective range: 500 meters
Better than the MA5C
M16 effective range: 550 meters
Better than the MA5C
Need I go on?
“I posted some cutscenes with those weapons in his hands.”
I already explained why those aren’t his weapons to use as he pleases, so yeah try again.
“And why should he only get the assault rifle,if it sin’t a weapon that he “owns”.He can choose any weapon available for him in whatever armory he is in.”
Because Admin told us what he is given, so your point is moot.
“Lol
You guys started first.”
So? You think that the weapons of Halo are up to modern day standards, so it wouldn’t behoove you to give us reasons that they are.
“I already explained why those aren’t his weapons to use as he pleases, so yeah try again.”
Too bad the assault rifle isn’t his too,sooo
“Because Admin told us what he is given, so your point is moot.”
When and where?
“So? You think that the weapons of Halo are up to modern day standards, so it wouldn’t behoove you to give us reasons that they are.”
I thought you already did above,except you only talked about the assault rifle and i already admitted that the AR got an inferior range but is still good on other categories and is great for urban warfare,something you ignored,as if only weapon range matters.
The problem is you said that ALL UNSC weapons sucked and yet you only talked about the AR.
“Too bad the assault rifle isn’t his too,sooo”
Was that a comeback?
“When and where?”
I’m almost certain it was on the Soap MacTavish Vs Master Chief thread.
“I thought you already did above,except you only talked about the assault rifle and i already admitted that the AR got an inferior range but is still good on other categories and is great for urban warfare,something you ignored,as if only weapon range matters.”
Electronics sightings yet no adjustable settings to them, an awkward design making difficult if not impractical to be rested on the shoulder which affects the recoil even more. It has an average firing rate (even though it’s 500 years in the future) and doesn’t even have a semi-auto function to it which is very peculiar.
“The problem is you said that ALL UNSC weapons sucked and yet you only talked about the AR.”
I’m trying to find specs for both the DMR and the Battle Rifle which only seems to describe their range as “high”, so trust me, that was just the tip of the iceberg.
Let’s start with the M41 Surface-to-Surface Rocket Launcher. Has the capacity to hold 2 rockets which is a plus, but can not be guided in flight to it’s target. It needs a direct line of fire for it to be useful and also has a slow velocity.
Compare it to the FGM-148 Javelin which has a range of anywhere between 75 to 2500 meters and has an IR seeker used locate and destroy possible hostiles without the assistance of the gunner.
Sniper Rifle System 99C-S2 Anti-Matériel: Can’t really say much about this weapon, it defies logic (no bullet drop.) Though it has a range of 2,300 meters, of course the game never takes into account various other factors that would effect the rounds flight. (wind, gravity, etc.) The fact that leaves a trail that leads all the way back to it’s gunner makes it a undesirable weapon for a marksman wanting to keep hidden.
I’ll give more later, when I’m not as tired.
“I’m almost certain it was on the Soap MacTavish Vs Master Chief thread.”
Ok
“Electronics sightings yet no adjustable settings to them, an awkward design making difficult if not impractical to be rested on the shoulder which affects the recoil even more. It has an average firing rate (even though it’s 500 years in the future) and doesn’t even have a semi-auto function to it which is very peculiar.”
The targeting reticule?
UNSC marines usually put the AR against their shoulders like this:
www.halopedian.com/images/f/f2/HaloReach_-_PoAMarines.jpg
Rate of fire is around 700-900 rounds/minute,that’s around the M4 rate of fire
It hasn’t that kind of settings in gameplay but in canon it can fire semi automatic and full automatic.
“I’m trying to find specs for both the DMR and the Battle Rifle which only seems to describe their range as “high”, so trust me, that was just the tip of the iceberg.”
Contact Harvest says the range of the prototype one is 950 meters,but i don’t know if the latter got the same.
“Let’s start with the M41 Surface-to-Surface Rocket Launcher. Has the capacity to hold 2 rockets which is a plus, but can not be guided in flight to it’s target. It needs a direct line of fire for it to be useful and also has a slow velocity.”
It can guide to aircrafts and vehicles in canon.But Halo 3 hasn’t this feature,only Reach and Halo 2.It’s gameplay restrictions again.
Velocity of the rocket restricted by gameplay again.Halo 3 one is faster then Reach,yet they are the same type.
“Sniper Rifle System 99C-S2 Anti-Matériel: Can’t really say much about this weapon, it defies logic (no bullet drop.) Though it has a range of 2,300 meters, of course the game never takes into account various other factors that would effect the rounds flight. (wind, gravity, etc.) The fact that leaves a trail that leads all the way back to it’s gunner makes it a undesirable weapon for a marksman wanting to keep hidden.”
The trail fades quickly ,i don’t know if that trail exists in canon but it isn’t in Reach.Considering that covies couldn’t find Linda sniping banshees,proves that the trail doesn’t exists in canon.
“I’ll give more later, when I’m not as tired.”
I’ll do the rest,but i have exams now.
“.Considering that covies couldn’t find Linda sniping banshees,proves that the trail doesn’t exists in canon.”
Alternatively, it proves that the Covenant member races are really, really stupid.
Or they could have extraordinarily bad eyesight. Don’t know which is worse.
So if I’m reading this right, Halo’s weapons only seem to suck in range?
“Or they could have extraordinarily bad eyesight. Don’t know which is worse.”
Considering some of their more numerous races are natural born snipers, and trackers I highly doubt that.
“So? You think that the weapons of Halo are up to modern day standards, so it wouldn’t behoove you to give us reasons that they are.”
“3. Burden of proof fallacy
This is when someone attempts to make someone else prove a claim when the burden of proof is really on them to prove it. The burden of proof is always on the positive claim, and the person who makes the claim.
Example:
“Goku is faster than lightspeed because you can’t prove he’s not!”
In this case, the person in the example makes a claim (Goku is FTL), and without providing evidence for it himself, he asks his opponent to prove him wrong. In reality, the person who made that claim would be the one required to prove it.”
I wasn’t following this all that well but whoever was 1st to speak on the weapons of halo, it falls on them to prove the effectiveness of the weapon.
Excluding the sniper weapons I mean.
“So if I’m reading this right, Halo’s weapons only seem to suck in range?”
Since nearly all the enemies of halo like getting up close and personal, that’s hardly ever been considered a flaw to the UNSC.
“I wasn’t following this all that well but whoever was 1st to speak on the weapons of halo, it falls on them to prove the effectiveness of the weapon.”
Well, logically, the way it would work is that any available evidence would need to be analyzed or compared so that way we can conclude which claim is more likely. Technically, the burden of proof would fall on the one who’s claim is least likely given all available data and Occam’s Razor. Although, neither claim would hold much weight until one can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt or at least to be the highly probable scenario. If that can’t be done, the concept being discussed is generally left as unquantifiable until more evidence comes along.
Besides, claims from either side of an argument can sometimes be worded both “positively” and “negatively”. Assuming evidence cannot be brought forth by either side to definitively prove their claims, it would make no sense for the final decision to rest mainly on who is making the counter-claim.
*it would make no sense for the final decision to rest with which side just happens to be making the counterclaim.*
““Wha…? It’s his equipment. And it doesn’t matter if you agree if you can’t come up with a valid reason for him not to have it. “It’s not fair” is not a valid reason.”
My valid reason is that Chief is confined to what Admin thinks is standard to him, despite half the levels in the halo series having you start with a specialized load out. If that’s the case for him then snake should also get a set list of weapons instead of “whatever he wants at the time”. It’s like having a dog fight but forcing one dog to wear a muzzle while the other is unrestricted.”
Once again it’s what is pulled from what the characters 1: Normally carry around and 2: Current incarnation. Master Chief’s loadout changes in each book and between each level. The SE we use on factpile however was the most common set up between his primary and secondary weapon with peripheral equipment.
With Snake he literally owns every single weapon he has. It’s not something he just picks up along the way and drops. He purchased some iwth his money, picked up others, etc. Probably locked up in a safe at home or stored on that plane they keep flying around in. His weapons list also didn’t get reduced at all at any point in the game but instead only continued to grow. Even without points between cut scenes where he could change equipment (say drop something off and pick something else up) He’d also switch weapons. In one cut scene he’s carrying around an M-4. A boss fight later and more cut scenes and he has a rail gun. After that? Back to the M-4 for a bit with no rail gun in sight BUT it still shows up after that.
“@Everyone
I proposed a list of Snake’s SE taken from the MGS4 cutscenes but it’s apparently keep being overlooked…
It can work.”
While it would work there’s no reason to reduce Snake’s equipment list.
“All those weapons are awesome. I would kill to get my hands on Snake’s Octocamo and Face Camo.”
Fuck. Yes.
“That’s way too many weapons for an old geezer to carry, suit or not. How bout eye, grenade launcher, the m4 (I’m assuming that’s a tactical rifle), and I’m kinda “eh” toward the knife… The suit is a bit tricky, as my question was not answered. Is the octocamo something that is permanently part of the suit, or an add-on that can be removed. Then again, even on the suit, the quote didn;t say that the entire suit was ruined, just the octocamo and the solid eye, which, to me, means that the suit is intact.
Can someone clarify to me?”
It doesn’t matter if you think he can’t carry it all; he does. The game supports it even outside of mechanics.
“Old geezer my ass, even without the suit he could kill anyone (as in members) on this site with minimal effort.”
As much as I’d like to disagree I’m not sure I can. And that’s being a 1st degree black belt in Shudokan with extra training in Goshin Jutsu, Aikido, and Army Combatives. All with a deployment under my belt and the obvious army training. I’d probably win in a wrestling match thanks to my physical superiority but beyond that I’d still probably lose. Hard.
“Dante is to Chuck as Snake is to me. Do not try and down play Snake as simply an old man with arthritis and cataracts because I will not hesitate to tear you a new verbal asshole.”
He IS hurting quite a bit. It just doesn’t detract from his skill.
“And why do you assume that MC wouldn’t do the same?”
I didn’t know MC regularly carried around an anti-tank missile, rail gun, or mines.
“I asked you the previous page how Halo weapons suck..you will have to give evidence for that.I don’t care what is said on factpile,from people biased against Halo.”
It’s been clarified quite a bit over the years. Even in this thread your questions were answered. Range is a huge one. Lack of sights (for some of them) is another big one. The electronics? They’re gimmicks at best that are as much a liability as they are an advantage.
“Really?So then MC gets the sniper and the splazer as he is seen with those in cutscenes.”
Nice try; he only carries that shit around sparingly at best.
“MC hasn’t something as standard equipment,he carries all weapons suited for his missions.”
Who is going to supply these non-standard weapons before a match…?
“Doesn’t work both ways, unlike the Chief, Snake owns every single weapon he carries. Which would technically mean he gets every weapon in MGS4 that is available, but to keep things fair we made a list of what he should get.”
I still don’t think we should reduce the list “because it’s fair”. Have we started raping Iron Man’s equipment “because it’s fair”?
“He has access to a Spartan Laser and a Rocket Launcher with it’s homing capacity.”
When he’s given it.
“It’s up to you guys to prove that Halo weapons suck and not me.Stop making claims and post some valid evidence.”
We already have. For example: I owned (sold it) a $90 9mm carbine that for intents and purposes was a piece of shit by even today’s standards. It’s effective range was the same as the Battle rifle. Virtually anything in 5.56 is several times that. Anything in .308 is even further. SOMETHING is wrong with the Battle rifle (.308 rifle) to have such a shitty range.
Sights is a HUGE problem too as it doesn’t have any.
“What do you mean with “own”?His own personal weapons just like your personal PC?”
Yes.
“No he chooses whatever he thinks is the best for the mission.”
Okay, then what is he going to choose when he’s told the following: You are going to be in X location fighting a sick old man with a stealth suit.
A rocket launcher (and isn’t that just going to guided vs vehicles anyway for his?) wouldn’t be the first thing on MC’s mind. Nor would a Splazor.
“I posted some cutscenes with those weapons in his hands.”
As he just happened to have recently picked them up along the way.
“AK-47 effective range: 400 meters
Better than the MA5C”
Renown for being among the shortest effective ranges of any assault rifle today too. That is without upgrades (I personally owned one I should shoot out to 600m but it was decked out like crazy).
“I thought you already did above,except you only talked about the assault rifle and i already admitted that the AR got an inferior range but is still good on other categories and is great for urban warfare,something you ignored,as if only weapon range matters.”
The shorter range implies less velocity. Which means less energy behind the projectile. Which means less damage and penetration. Sure, it’s good for short range; BUT compared to a modern .308 rifle of a similar size (we’ll say the Keltec RFB) it’d fall short in everything except maybe durability.
“The problem is you said that ALL UNSC weapons sucked and yet you only talked about the AR.”
For a military with 500 or so years of experience they should’ve upgraded them more than we have in our own history for the last 30 years. The problem is they haven’t. The SMG is at the same level as modern day ones. The pistol isn’t any more effective either.
“and doesn’t even have a semi-auto function to it which is very peculiar.”
So it’s an ammo waster. Plain and simple. There’s a reason many militaries around the world ditched fully auto weapons (at least ast he primary weapon setting) and switched to semi-auto. The average was several thousand rounds down range to kill just one enemy in Vietnam.
“UNSC marines usually put the AR against their shoulders like this:
www.halopedian.com/images/f/f2/HaloReach_-_PoAMarines.jpg”
Man, sci-fi really needs to drop the shoulder pads in armor. You can NOT shoulder a weapon properly with shoulder pads. Even the soft ones modern military uses…
“Rate of fire is around 700-900 rounds/minute,that’s around the M4 rate of fire”
500 years and no improvement…
“Velocity of the rocket restricted by gameplay again.Halo 3 one is faster then Reach,yet they are the same type.”
so you can get a canon velocity?
“Considering that covies couldn’t find Linda sniping banshees,proves that the trail doesn’t exists in canon.”
Covies aren’t known for their intelligence. Especially with the generalized “covie”. Elites? Sure. Grunts? no. Both are covies though.
“So if I’m reading this right, Halo’s weapons only seem to suck in range?”
There are other implications when it comes to range.
“I wasn’t following this all that well but whoever was 1st to speak on the weapons of halo, it falls on them to prove the effectiveness of the weapon.”
I can’t recall who started it now.
In that picture of those marines shouldering their ARs, if you think about it, take away their shoulder pads and the butt of the rifle would fall short of where it needs to go.
“Would that be before or after he cracks his back and becomes a paralyzed, yet semi-threatening old geezer.”
Tell me Michael, which are you; a hater, a disgruntled Halo fan or you’re just attempting to be mildly entertaining?
The suit and the Octocamo are one in the same with the Solid Eye and Facecamo being separate pieces of equipment that he still owns thus adds to his SE. The current incarnation puts him as he was in Act 5 of MGS right before his final fight with Liquid Ocelot as that’s when he last had his weaponry/gadgets.
“you’re just attempting to be mildly entertaining? ”
That one.
“The suit and the Octocamo are one in the same with the Solid Eye and Facecamo being separate pieces of equipment that he still owns thus adds to his SE. The current incarnation puts him as he was in Act 5 of MGS right before his final fight with Liquid Ocelot as that’s when he last had his weaponry/gadgets.”
Ummmm… so the suit enhances him… but could we not disable just the stealth affect? That would make sense, right?
“Ummmm… so the suit enhances him… but could we not disable just the stealth affect? That would make sense, right?”
It’s one of the functions of the suit. That would be like taking away Chief’s shields.
“Ummmm… so the suit enhances him… but could we not disable just the stealth affect? That would make sense, right?”
Not really, since it is the Octocamo and Facecamo’s most notable features.
“Ummmm… so the suit enhances him… but could we not disable just the stealth affect? That would make sense, right?”
Wha? fuh? feh?
*generic correction*
why are people still trying to nerf snake?
wasnt the SE list above already a toned downed version of equipment to make things fairer for mc.
snake wins this, he has won it every time other than the 1st time and that was only because of stupid people spamming the page.
“why are people still trying to nerf snake?
wasnt the SE list above already a toned downed version of equipment to make things fairer for mc.
snake wins this, he has won it every time other than the 1st time and that was only because of stupid people spamming the page.
”
Fan boys ruin everything! THAT IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!!!
No, we can’t have nice things because humans are trying to do this to each other
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Argh! Master Chief still has the award! My eyes! It’s like someone sprayed acid in my face!
Unfortunately I don’t see how SS can win this, yeah he’s great at setting traps, but he’s still just a normal human with an extremely high IQ, the actual number escapes me…
“Unfortunately I don’t see how SS can win this, yeah he’s great at setting traps, but he’s still just a normal human with an extremely high IQ, the actual number escapes me…”
Did you read ANYTHING we said on this page?
“Argh! Master Chief still has the award! My eyes! It’s like someone sprayed acid in my face!”
Sorry, that was my pepper spray. Hold on, I’ll get a firehose.
Oh right a few hundred pounds of water pressure will clear that right out.
Heck yeah!
Now stand very still and hold on to something…
Snake doesn’t even know Chief has a motion sensor. If he tried to sneak up on him using stealth and speed, oops, there goes the stealth. Or if Snake takes it for granted that he is quiet enough and either on a building floor above or below the chief, and decides to move swiftly, there goes stealth again. It seems like you give snake a lot more info on MC, then MC gets on Snake.
Your making assumptions again.
I don;t think they know anything about each other.
“Snake doesn’t even know Chief has a motion sensor. If he tried to sneak up on him using stealth and speed, oops, there goes the stealth. Or if Snake takes it for granted that he is quiet enough and either on a building floor above or below the chief, and decides to move swiftly, there goes stealth again. It seems like you give snake a lot more info on MC, then MC gets on Snake.”
Snake’s not a retard. He won’t try the shit you’re mentioning, he’s a stealth and infiltration expert.
“Argh! Master Chief still has the award! My eyes! It’s like someone sprayed acid in my face!”
Me and you both, bro…
“Unfortunately I don’t see how SS can win this, yeah he’s great at setting traps, but he’s still just a normal human with an extremely high IQ, the actual number escapes me…”
Read the thread, the past four pages or so as they’re the most up to date.
“Snake doesn’t even know Chief has a motion sensor. I he tried to sneak up on him using stealth and speed, oops, there goes the stealth.”
He has a railgun with a scope, why would he want to sneak up on a giant man-tank?
“I don;t think they know anything about each other.”
Prep time gives basic information to both combatants regarding their opponents.
Like weapons? If MC knows Snake has a railgun, he isn’t going to go to any area were he would be taken out easily by it. And how exactly is Snake going to set up this shot?
“Like weapons? If MC knows Snake has a railgun, he isn’t going to go to any area were he would be taken out easily by it. And how exactly is Snake going to set up this shot?”
“Your making assumptions again.”
“Like weapons? If MC knows Snake has a railgun, he isn’t going to go to any area were he would be taken out easily by it. And how exactly is Snake going to set up this shot?”
“Your making assumptions again.”
Where’s the assumption? If both sides get basic info on the other, even a glance at their opposition, chief isn’t likely to be in the open. Stealth expert or not, if chief knows a potential sniper is in the area he’ll avoid making himself an easy target.
He has BASIC information, not an in depth analysis on his history and what weapons he carries. What makes you assume that the Chief will know what Snake will do at all? You guys are constantly on the defensive about what Chief will do in situation where he is heavily outgunned.
“He has BASIC information, not an in depth analysis on his history and what weapons he carries. What makes you assume that the Chief will know what Snake will do at all? You guys are constantly on the defensive about what Chief will do in situation where he is heavily outgunned.”
To answer those in order, Chief knows from a glance alone that direct conflict will go heavily in his favor and as such won’t expect such an attack (Snake doesn’t even wear a helmet). The same reason weaker enemies such as grunts, jackals, and other humans only attack directly when there’s no other option, and are prone to using heavy and long ranged weapons against him. Second, were on the defense because at best, chief’s longest ranged weapon goes 950 meters (assuming battle rifles are the same as DMR’s), and the alternative is trying to hunt snake throughout a………….did anyone ever decide on a battlefield? Neutral is a little too vague.
“Where’s the assumption? If both sides get basic info on the other, even a glance at their opposition, chief isn’t likely to be in the open. Stealth expert or not, if chief knows a potential sniper is in the area he’ll avoid making himself an easy target.”
“Your making assumptions again.”
“Argh! Master Chief still has the award! My eyes! It’s like someone sprayed acid in my face!”
We need more people to send messages in to Admin. I know I have sent in some.
“Unfortunately I don’t see how SS can win this, yeah he’s great at setting traps, but he’s still just a normal human with an extremely high IQ, the actual number escapes me…”
I didn’t know normal humans were bullet timers…
“Oh right a few hundred pounds of water pressure will clear that right out.”
Wouldn’t the pressure negate the fact that water would just make it worse…?
“Snake doesn’t even know Chief has a motion sensor. If he tried to sneak up on him using stealth and speed, oops, there goes the stealth. Or if Snake takes it for granted that he is quiet enough and either on a building floor above or below the chief, and decides to move swiftly, there goes stealth again. It seems like you give snake a lot more info on MC, then MC gets on Snake.”
For starters Snake is used to motion sensors. He has his own that is nearly identical to MC’s. Secondly you make it sound like Snake all of a sudden going to rely on the absolute worst option out of all the options available to him and get close to a guy when range is his best friend.
Serioulsy: Stop trying to make Snake out to be a fuckin’ retard.
“He has a railgun with a scope, why would he want to sneak up on a giant man-tank?”
Or a fire-and-forget anti-tank rocket.
“Like weapons? If MC knows Snake has a railgun, he isn’t going to go to any area were he would be taken out easily by it. And how exactly is Snake going to set up this shot?”
So Snake would be unable to see the big large heat blip..? Or the seven foot tall metallic green armored man moving around? And why would he be unable to shoot?
“Like weapons? If MC knows Snake has a railgun, he isn’t going to go to any area were he would be taken out easily by it. And how exactly is Snake going to set up this shot?”
snake is a potential sniper sure, but it isnt really his main option when attacking a target he is more of a sneak up and stab kinda guy.
however this would change with the basic information (when you see a super heavy armored guy you dont want to get in close) so this brings out his bigger weapons. the m4 is more than enough to take out chief with a sneak attack, but hell he might decide on using the grenade launcher for the sake of not taking any risks.
of course the railgun is still an option if he sees mc walking around in the open.
anyway, snake has far better equipment, and training/experience that is perfect for this situation
“anyway, snake has far better equipment, and training/experience that is perfect for this situation”
Better equipped? Depending on the actual battle field, maybe. Training/experience? You might want to research MC’s history.
“the m4 is more than enough to take out chief with a sneak attack, but hell he might decide on using the grenade launcher for the sake of not taking any risks.”
The M4 uses 5.56x45mm bullets. The “peice of shit” MA5C uses 7.62x51mm Armor Piercing rounds. Chiefs armor in it’s most recent incarnation is designed primarliy to defend against plasma but still is highly resistant to said armor peircing bullets. What makes you think Chiefs armor would falter against bullets that are a weaker caliber than the one’s his armor is designed to hold against.
“of course the railgun is still an option if he sees mc walking around in the open.”
Basic marine and army training dictates NOT to go out in the open under any circumstance. Why would a power armored commando do any different?
“You might want to research MC’s history.”
You might want to research Snake’s history.
“Why would a power armored commando do any different?”
Because everyone in the UNSC are retards.
@ Laharl
Try saying that when MC comes knocking at your door, looking for you, murder in his eyes.
“The M4 uses 5.56x45mm bullets. The “peice of shit” MA5C uses 7.62x51mm Armor Piercing rounds. Chiefs armor in it’s most recent incarnation is designed primarliy to defend against plasma but still is highly resistant to said armor peircing bullets. What makes you think Chiefs armor would falter against bullets that are a weaker caliber than the one’s his armor is designed to hold against.”
He has a lot more than just an M4 to destroy MC with.
“Better equipped? Depending on the actual battle field, maybe. Training/experience? You might want to research MC’s history.”
he is better trained for this situation, it is a lot harder to kill a guy that you cannot find than it is to kill someone that has better physical abilities but is easy (by comparison) to find.
“Basic marine and army training dictates NOT to go out in the open under any circumstance. Why would a power armored commando do any different?”
that was more of a joke…..damn you internet with your lack of a sarcasm font!
“The M4 uses 5.56x45mm bullets. The “peice of shit” MA5C uses 7.62x51mm Armor Piercing rounds. Chiefs armor in it’s most recent incarnation is designed primarliy to defend against plasma but still is highly resistant to said armor peircing bullets. What makes you think Chiefs armor would falter against bullets that are a weaker caliber than the one’s his armor is designed to hold against.”
resistant =/= impregnable, it is able to damage therefore a sneak attack can still take him out, because even if he survived the initial attack and found cover he would still need to find the stealth expert who has had free time to simply leave the area and hide again.
or you know, he could go with the whole grenade the F#(K out of an unsuspecting MC.
“I didn’t know MC regularly carried around an anti-tank missile, rail gun, or mines.”
He carried anti tank mines in the books.
MC’s counter agains the railgun is the stanchion and against the anti tank missiles is his rocket launcher.
“It’s been clarified quite a bit over the years. Even in this thread your questions were answered. Range is a huge one. Lack of sights (for some of them) is another big one. The electronics? They’re gimmicks at best that are as much a liability as they are an advantage. ”
All of them have either sights or scopes,the AR has concealed sights,this is from contact harvest but i don’t have that book.But why would UNSC soldiers need iron sights if they have their targeting reticule in their neural interface which gives far more advantages then iron sights.
The only UNSC weapon with inferior range is the AR,the other are either equal or better.
Explain me why those electonics are a liability,because i can’t see any disadvantages it would give.
“Nice try; he only carries that shit around sparingly at best.”
Depends on his mission.
“Who is going to supply these non-standard weapons before a match…?”
In the Halo verse he chooses whatever weapons he needs in whatever armory he is in.
And in this match,same can be said with all his weapons.
“We already have. For example: I owned (sold it) a $90 9mm carbine that for intents and purposes was a piece of shit by even today’s standards. It’s effective range was the same as the Battle rifle. Virtually anything in 5.56 is several times that. Anything in .308 is even further. SOMETHING is wrong with the Battle rifle (.308 rifle) to have such a shitty range. ”
Why do you think the BR has a stupid range if it’s used as a long range weapon.
“Okay, then what is he going to choose when he’s told the following: You are going to be in X location fighting a sick old man with a stealth suit.”
He won’t be using a splazer or a rocket launcher ,he will probably take the AR,BR,shotgun or sniper.
“The shorter range implies less velocity. Which means less energy behind the projectile. Which means less damage and penetration. Sure, it’s good for short range; BUT compared to a modern .308 rifle of a similar size (we’ll say the Keltec RFB) it’d fall short in everything except maybe durability.”
It’s velocity is 905 m/s which is good for a 7.62×51 ,because the modern day weapons that fire that kind of ammo only have velocitys between 790 and 850 m/s.
“For a military with 500 or so years of experience they should’ve upgraded them more than we have in our own history for the last 30 years. The problem is they haven’t. The SMG is at the same level as modern day ones. The pistol isn’t any more effective either. ”
Because instead of focusing on military improvements,they just focused on space colonisation.
“So it’s an ammo waster. Plain and simple. There’s a reason many militaries around the world ditched fully auto weapons (at least ast he primary weapon setting) and switched to semi-auto. The average was several thousand rounds down range to kill just one enemy in Vietnam.”
It has many settings,i quote:
” Assault Rifles traditionally use the standard 7.62mm round, which can be fired at a full range of settings, the most common of which is fully-automatic.”
halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/theuniverse/tech/gallery/assault-rifle/7b27101b-fec7-41d9-9fe3-c4dcc04f01b1
“500 years and no improvement…”
See above
“so you can get a canon velocity?”
No,but it was proven to be effective against fast strafing seraphs.
“In that picture of those marines shouldering their ARs, if you think about it, take away their shoulder pads and the butt of the rifle would fall short of where it needs to go.”
Rebels use AR’s and they haven’t any shoulder pads.So it barely has recoil
“Snake’s not a retard. He won’t try the shit you’re mentioning, he’s a stealth and infiltration expert. ”
MC is that kind of expert too.
“Because everyone in the UNSC are retards.”
Appeal to ignorance
“You might want to research Snake’s history.”
But he didn’t denied Snakes service record,but you underestimate the Chiefs one.
Sights is a HUGE problem too as it doesn’t have any.
“He carried anti tank mines in the books.
MC’s counter agains the railgun is the stanchion and against the anti tank missiles is his rocket launcher.”
None of which can be used by MC in this fight.
“In the Halo verse he chooses whatever weapons he needs in whatever armory he is in.
And in this match,same can be said with all his weapons.”
Master Chief does not own the weapons he carries. It is not up to him on what he is allowed to bring to this fight. End of discussion.
“He won’t be using a splazer or a rocket launcher ,he will probably take the AR,BR,shotgun or sniper.”
He only gets the Assault Riffle and the Battle Rifle from that list.
“It’s velocity is 905 m/s which is good for a 7.62×51 ,because the modern day weapons that fire that kind of ammo only have velocitys between 790 and 850 m/s.”
So the MA5C sacrifices accuracy for muzzle velocity, does it make it better than the assault rifles used today? Certainly not.
“Because instead of focusing on military improvements,they just focused on space colonisation.”
That’s a lame excuse, military innovation never just stops like that. Unless the world was plunged into another Dark Age, it will not stop developing. Even if they decided to focus most of their resources on space, the amount of technological stagnation seen in their military is just unrealistic.
“Rebels use AR’s and they haven’t any shoulder pads.So it barely has recoil”
Since when? Last time I checked the standard weapon that they used were those guns that were called “confetti makers”.
“MC is that kind of expert too.”
Yet he does not have the equipment suited for stealth or infiltration.
“He carried anti tank mines in the books.
MC’s counter agains the railgun is the stanchion and against the anti tank missiles is his rocket launcher.”
Too bad none of that is standard equipment. Unlike MC Snake would be able to spot MC at a distance whereas MC would be SOL.
“All of them have either sights or scopes,the AR has concealed sights,this is from contact harvest but i don’t have that book.But why would UNSC soldiers need iron sights if they have their targeting reticule in their neural interface which gives far more advantages then iron sights.”
Actually, it’s good to ALWAYS have backup iron sights. Doesn’t matter what else you have. Technology. Always. Fails.
“The only UNSC weapon with inferior range is the AR,the other are either equal or better.”
Then give us ranges?
“Explain me why those electonics are a liability,because i can’t see any disadvantages it would give.”
Not only does technology always fail (and it does) but you’re dealing with batteries. Things that come in finite numbers even with a constant logistical supply chain. Or are you going to suggest that they run on candy canes and lolipops?
“In the Halo verse he chooses whatever weapons he needs in whatever armory he is in.
And in this match,same can be said with all his weapons.”
Tell that to Admin then.
“Why do you think the BR has a stupid range if it’s used as a long range weapon.”
If something with an effective (or max?) range of 300m is NOT a long ranged weapon. The fact that it’s .308 and can only be used effectively out to 300m (or was it 100m effective, 300m max?) means there is something mechanically wrong with the weapon to reduce velocity considerably. I say this because with the ammo being AP (armor piercing) it SHOULD have enough power behind it to do its job.
“He won’t be using a splazer or a rocket launcher ,he will probably take the AR,BR,shotgun or sniper.”
And the only decent one(s) in that entire line up are the shotgun and sniper rifle.
“It’s velocity is 905 m/s which is good for a 7.62×51 ,because the modern day weapons that fire that kind of ammo only have velocitys between 790 and 850 m/s.”
Then once again; explain the shorter range. Because if it had even an 11′ barrel at the velocity you mentioned someone could still hit in the 500-800m range easily.
“Rebels use AR’s and they haven’t any shoulder pads.So it barely has recoil ”
We weren’t talking about recoil.
“Appeal to ignorance”
Statement hasn’t been proven wrong unless you’re talking about the occasional ship captain.
“That’s a lame excuse, military innovation never just stops like that. Unless the world was plunged into another Dark Age, it will not stop developing. Even if they decided to focus most of their resources on space, the amount of technological stagnation seen in their military is just unrealistic. ”
It doesn’t already rely on the military organization to development better weapons either. Most of the (known) modern day weapons development is done by private companies; each one trying to get that military contract for more money. Think about how much money you’d get if you were ordered to provide weapons to one or more of the world’s armies?
“The only UNSC weapon with inferior range is the AR,the other are either equal or better.”
“Then give us ranges?”
All this information is from the Halo Encyclopedia. Battle Rifle 656ft (200m), Assault Rifle 984ft (300m), SMG 164ft (50m), Magnum 328-492ft (100-150m) depending on user, Gauss Cannon 5miles (8km), Sniper Rifle 4,920ft (1,500m), Shotgun 131ft (40m), Flame Thrower 44ft (13.4m), Rocket Launcher(heat seeking) locks on, Rocket Launcher(Halo 3) 1,300ft (400m), Spartan Laser infinite, Turret Machine Gun 328ft (100m), Frag Grenades damage radius 50ft (15m).
I’m not arguing this. I’m just giving you the ranges. I already think MC takes this easy.
@Streetkid
Care to explain why, I’m starting to get pissed off because people are not giving reasons.
“All this information is from the Halo Encyclopedia. Battle Rifle 656ft (200m), Assault Rifle 984ft (300m), SMG 164ft (50m), Magnum 328-492ft (100-150m) depending on user, Gauss Cannon 5miles (8km), Sniper Rifle 4,920ft (1,500m), Shotgun 131ft (40m), Flame Thrower 44ft (13.4m), Rocket Launcher(heat seeking) locks on, Rocket Launcher(Halo 3) 1,300ft (400m), Spartan Laser infinite, Turret Machine Gun 328ft (100m), Frag Grenades damage radius 50ft (15m).”
Battle rifle, assault rifle, SMG, turrent, and the flame thrower all have lower ranges than modern day equivalents.
The shotgun, Rocket launcher, and grenades are average for the modern day equivalents.
The Sniper rifle with those figures listed are only slightly above average depending on which caliber we compare it too. The Magnum also depends on what we compare it too; a scoped 1911 in .50 AE would have less range but if we pulled from the SW 500 (also .50) with a scope it’d be much closer. Or a T/C Contender would likely have the same if not superior range.
As for the others there are no comparisons for the Splazor and gauss cannon.
“@Streetkid
Care to explain why, I’m starting to get pissed off because people are not giving reasons.
”
I second this.
“Spartan Laser infinite,”
This is wrong.
It is impossible for a laser to have infinite range while at the same time bleeding energy. We can see it as it passes by as a beam of light which means some energy does bleed out as visible light. On top of that the weapon isn’t even infinite range in the game. If you shoot corner to opposite corner on some of the larger maps the laser will end before the edge of the map.
Bungie themselves says the that M-6G’s max effective range is 50m; less than half the above posted range. Of course Halo being Halo, it is only the M-6A pistol that has an effective range of 100m and that is the civilian model of that gun line; all other variants (as in the military variants) have an effective range between 50 and 15 m. *Headdesk*
The Babysitter showed that the sniper rifle could accurately hit a target at a range of two miles (3.2 km) which is more than double the above stated range, which I find dubious in the first place.
confetti makers were 30.cal round light machine guns, which were pretty much the only weapons capable of harming an. unshielded spartan.
I figure the only weapons in Snake’s arsenal capable of taking down Mc’s shields would simply be the rail gun and anti tank weapon. the m4 nor the ak47 or any other firearm will take down his shields without extreme automatic fire.
Mc’s shields have been able to tank 50mm rounds, at least a “smattering”of said rounds. Also his shields were able to tank an entire salvo of automatic gun fire from close range, from multiple odsts armed with assault rifles.
Is snake detactable to thermal ?
MC’s suit is equiped with thermal and night vision.
I’ll post that textual evidence later.
“Is snake detactable to thermal ?”
Snake’s Octocamo blends in with the background heat.
“Also his shields were able to tank an entire salvo of automatic gun fire from close range, from multiple odsts armed with assault rifles.”
For how long? How many of those bullets actually managed to hit MC? You need to give a quantifiable time period that MC was engaged with the ODST’s.
“Sniper Rifle 4,920ft (1,500m),”
In halo reach Jun stated “These can take the hat off an elite at 2,000 yards (6,000ft.).”
………………….What the hell. Bungie there is at least 3 different effective ranges stated for the same (unaltered) weapon. Can you please fire the assholes who designed halo’s weapons? You had the DMR replaced by the battle rifle, which is nearly 1/4 of the DMR’s range and 1/3 the stopping power. The assault rifles are seemingly losing range and clip size, yet gaining nothing with each new model. The damn pistols very between scoped desert eagles to sling shots. I even read on Bungie.net that the covenant plasma weapons, actually weren’t plasma! (puts a colt .45 to forehead).
“@Streetkid
Care to explain why, I’m starting to get pissed off because people are not giving reasons.”
Why what?
“Battle rifle, assault rifle, SMG, turrent, and the flame thrower all have lower ranges than modern day equivalents.”
Care to back that up.
“It is impossible for a laser to have infinite range while at the same time bleeding energy. We can see it as it passes by as a beam of light which means some energy does bleed out as visible light. On top of that the weapon isn’t even infinite range in the game. If you shoot corner to opposite corner on some of the larger maps the laser will end before the edge of the map.
Bungie themselves says the that M-6G’s max effective range is 50m; less than half the above posted range. Of course Halo being Halo, it is only the M-6A pistol that has an effective range of 100m and that is the civilian model of that gun line; all other variants (as in the military variants) have an effective range between 50 and 15 m. *Headdesk*
The Babysitter showed that the sniper rifle could accurately hit a target at a range of two miles (3.2 km) which is more than double the above stated range, which I find dubious in the first place.”
It really doesn’t matter how “unbelievable” something is. If it’s canon, it’s real as far as we are concerned. Same goes for stuff like star wars and others stuff.
“In halo reach Jun stated “These can take the hat off an elite at 2,000 yards (6,000ft.).”
………………….What the hell. Bungie there is at least 3 different effective ranges stated for the same (unaltered) weapon. Can you please fire the assholes who designed halo’s weapons? You had the DMR replaced by the battle rifle, which is nearly 1/4 of the DMR’s range and 1/3 the stopping power. The assault rifles are seemingly losing range and clip size, yet gaining nothing with each new model. The damn pistols very between scoped desert eagles to sling shots. I even read on Bungie.net that the covenant plasma weapons, actually weren’t plasma! (puts a colt .45 to forehead).”
That does seem to be a problem. Many different info pieces for the same object. Many contradictions. That’s why anything regarding Halo is really hard to debate on. It comes down to if you hate Halo, it loses. If you like Halo, it wins.
“Dante is to Chuck as Snake is to me. Do not try and down play Snake as simply an old man with arthritis and cataracts because I will not hesitate to tear you a new verbal asshole.”
So… I should disregard what you say then? Cause thats what I do to chuck.
“Why what?”
Don’t be dense, explain to me why you think Master Chief wins this easily.
“Care to back that up.”
It isn’t that hard to look it up yourself.
“So… I should disregard what you say then? Cause thats what I do to chuck.”
No, I just hate it when people down play someone that obviously has done more in one mission then others will do in their life.
“Don’t be dense, explain to me why you think Master Chief wins this easily.”
Don’t be a jackass. I wasn’t being dense. I wasn’t sure what you meant. Anyhoo, in my opinion. Besides thinking that MC is way cooler, I just don’t see how Snake can compare here. He ain’t got anything that ol MC doesn’t.
“It isn’t that hard to look it up yourself.”
That’s not my job. It’s YOUR job to back up your shit.
“I figure the only weapons in Snake’s arsenal capable of taking down Mc’s shields would simply be the rail gun and anti tank weapon. the m4 nor the ak47 or any other firearm will take down his shields without extreme automatic fire.”
Mines, explosives (chaff grenades anyone?), Grenade launcher… There are more but I’ll stop here.
“Mc’s shields have been able to tank 50mm rounds, at least a “smattering”of said rounds. Also his shields were able to tank an entire salvo of automatic gun fire from close range, from multiple odsts armed with assault rifles.”
In another thread the kinetic energy figured out for that put the feat within the 10 megajoules worth of energy that the rail gun (60 year old figures for the rail gun mind for an outdated version of the weapon) can put out.
“Is snake detactable to thermal ?”
Read the thread.
“In halo reach Jun stated “These can take the hat off an elite at 2,000 yards (6,000ft.).”
………………….What the hell. Bungie there is at least 3 different effective ranges stated for the same (unaltered) weapon. Can you please fire the assholes who designed halo’s weapons? You had the DMR replaced by the battle rifle, which is nearly 1/4 of the DMR’s range and 1/3 the stopping power. The assault rifles are seemingly losing range and clip size, yet gaining nothing with each new model. The damn pistols very between scoped desert eagles to sling shots. I even read on Bungie.net that the covenant plasma weapons, actually weren’t plasma! (puts a colt .45 to forehead).”
They. Are. Not. Clips.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmVJ1rXD9U
i145.photobucket.com/albums/r210/pseudoweapon/clipsandmagazines.jpg
Just a pet peeve of mine.
“Why what?”
Why MC can win.
““Battle rifle, assault rifle, SMG, turrent, and the flame thrower all have lower ranges than modern day equivalents.”
Care to back that up.”
For everything but the turret and the flame thrower we have already posted figures. As with the turret I assume it’s a manned machine gun like we’d see on the back of a warhog. If this assumption is wrong then please correct me. If I am correct then with the Barret M2 .50 BMG machine gun the modern US Army uses we’re looking at even further ranges thant he equal Barret .50 BMG sniper rifles. Even with the same if not better accuracy if you put a scope on it and switch it to single shot.
As for the flame thrower I direct you to youtube. Even civilian made flame throwers can reach 5m longer than the UNSC’s flamethrowers. Or look at videos of WWII flamethrowers.
“It really doesn’t matter how “unbelievable” something is. If it’s canon, it’s real as far as we are concerned. Same goes for stuff like star wars and others stuff.”
Where did you get your ranges from again…?
“, I just don’t see how Snake can compare here. He ain’t got anything that ol MC doesn’t. ”
More years of experience, comparable if not superior training, stealth equipment that makes him invisible at any range outside of his radar (a dozen meters or so), and vastly superior weapons. Am I missing anything?
“That’s not my job. It’s YOUR job to back up your shit.”
You again?
You put the quoted materials for the guns first you and were called out.
YOU must prove it first then he must prove his after you.
“Besides thinking that MC is way cooler, I just don’t see how Snake can compare here. He ain’t got anything that ol MC doesn’t. ”
That isn’t a reason you moron. You say MC has have everything that Snake has? Is that so, well when was the last time MC had a Railgun? Or a suit that allows him to not only blend in with his surrounding, but makes him invisible to infrared sensors? Or a mask that does that can mimic any face he chooses? Or a missile launcher that can lock onto any heat signature? Or a weapon actually has a decent range?
“That’s not my job. It’s YOUR job to back up your shit.”
Or in other words, lazy and don’t know where to look. But if you insist on getting your argument beaten down:
Halo Battle Rifle: 200 meters
M14 Rifle: 460 meters, 800+ meters with optics
Assault Rifle: 300 meters
M4: 500 meters
SMG: 50 meters
MP7: 200 meters
Magnum: 50 meters
M9 Beretta: 50 meters
Sniper Rifle: 1,500 meters
Barrett M82: 1,800 meters
Flame Thrower: 13.4 meters
Flammenwerfer 35 (a WWII model): 25 meters
Rocket Launcher: 400 meters
FGM-148 Javelin: 2500 meters
Turret Machine Gun: 50 meters
M2 Browning: 2000 meters
“More years of experience, comparable if not superior training.”
Chief may have not been fighting for as long but has faced tougher enemies (Though I’m not sure if psycko mantis should be included). Superior training is definitley a no. Chief is trained in conventional, non conventional, and ancient tactics, has more skill sets, and is more mentally conditioned (both through training and augmentations).
“Dante is to Chuck as Snake is to me. Do not try and down play Snake as simply an old man with arthritis and cataracts because I will not hesitate to tear you a new verbal asshole.”
My name is Chuck Inglish and I approve this message
“has faced tougher enemies”
Oh, yeah? So MC can defeat ANY enemy that Snake has ever fought? And that Snake couldn’t do the same thing to MC’s enemies?
“Superior training is definitley a no. Chief is trained in conventional, non conventional, and ancient tactics, has more skill sets, and is more mentally conditioned (both through training and augmentations).”
When you mention something that Snake wasn’t trained in then let me know…
“has faced tougher enemies”
The Covenant were only threatening mostly due to their large numbers and tendency to glass the shit out of a planet that they couldn’t win on. They primarily relied on brute force and massive wave formations that consist of mostly canon fodder Grunts and Jackals that flee without an Elite or Brute at the head. Flood are possibly the only tougher enemy that Chief has faced.
Snake on the other hand faced enhanced soldiers that fight basically identically to our soldiers of today with better weaponry than the UNSC and superior (unless proven otherwise) tactics. They were all coordinated in many ways through nanomachines unlike the cowardly Grunts and Jackals that make up the majority of the Covenant’s ranks.
“Superior training is definitley a no. Chief is trained in conventional, non conventional, and ancient tactics, has more skill sets, and is more mentally conditioned (both through training and augmentations).”
What CIDE said.
“Oh, yeah? So MC can defeat ANY enemy that Snake has ever fought? And that Snake couldn’t do the same thing to MC’s enemies?”
Good luck fighting the Flood, Snake. You’ll need an asston of it. I suggest borrowing from the MC. He never rf*cking uns out.
“Chief may have not been fighting for as long but has faced tougher enemies”
Incorrect.
Revolver Ocelot was a better shot then any enemy MC has ever faced.
Grey Fox was faster, more agile, better trained, and stronger then any opponent MC ever faced. Snake beat him down with his bare hands.
Sniper Wolf was more accurate then any character in Halo except for perhaps Linda.
Vulcan Raven had magical powers as well as being tougher and better armed then any of MC’s opponents brandishing both a tank and a minigun and take multiple rounds without flinching.
Psycho Mantis-Self explanitory.
Beauty and Beast Unit-More dangerous then any one ground based thing in Halo being heavily armed, heavily armored, extreme mobility advantage, camoflouge, and the strength to flip over a fucking bulldozer.
and that’s not even everything. Safe to say Snake has fought more dangerous opponents then MC has given the fact that his opponents are often supernatural in some way or form and in the case of Ocelot and Grey Fox bullet timers.
“Sniper Rifle: 1,500 meters
Barrett M82: 1,800 meters”
“In halo reach Jun stated “These can take the hat off an elite at 2,000 yards (6,000ft.).”
1 meter = 1.0936133 yards.
2000 x 1.0936133 = 2187.2266m
Sniper rifle: 2,187 meters
Barrett M82: 1,800 meters
“Rocket Launcher: 400 meters
FGM-148 Javelin: 2500 meters”
Why did you compare these two? A missile pod would be a more suitable comparison. The rocket launcher should’ve been compared to an RPG or missile launcher.
“1 meter = 1.0936133 yards.
2000 x 1.0936133 = 2187.2266m”
Yet you have 3 separate sources, 2 of them are less than what I have given.
“Why did you compare these two? A missile pod would be a more suitable comparison. The rocket launcher should’ve been compared to an RPG or missile launcher.”
That’s what a Javelin is, a missile launcher.
But if you insist on comparing the Rocket Launcher an RPG, then here you go:
Rocket Launcher: 400 meters
RPG-7: 920 meters
Satisfied?
The Halo Rocket Launcher is still at a disadvantage to an RPG-7:
Rocket Launcher: 400m (437 yd)
RPG-7:920m (1000 yd)
@Soldier’s Shadow
You just got ninja’d.
“Yet you have 3 separate sources, 2 of them are less than what I have given.”
Um…
Halo Encyclopedia Sniper Rifle range: 1.5 km
Halo Legends: The Babysitter Sniper Rifle Range: 3.2 km
Halo: Reach Sniper Rifle range: 2.18 km
Barret M82 range: 1.8 km
Where is this third range that is less than the Barret?
Regardless the Barret’s max range is 6,8 km, which out preforms the halo sniper rifles.
“Where is this third range that is less than the Barret?”
Shhhh don’t say that!
@TheSorrow
I snaked you as this is an MGS thread, bro. 8)
O_o
Nottooshort
“I snaked you as this is an MGS thread, bro.”
No ninja’d is still appropriate because of Grey Fox and Raiden.
“No ninja’d is still appropriate because of Grey Fox and Raiden.”
Touche. :/
The commentary about Gray Fox and Raiden had be briefly imagine a fight between Raiden and Master Chief.
Then I had to force the idea of the stomp match out of my head.